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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:37 am    Post subject: Truthwatchuk Reply with quote

http://truthwatchuk.wordpress.com/2008/04/22/may-the-farce-be-with-you

Can anyone name and shame the individuals or cult group behind this diatrite.

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing I'll say is they are, or are in contact with someone who used to be/is still masquerading as a truth campaigner - some of the photos on the site are from a protest at Parliament which no one else has - so they were there, or someone working with them was at least.

At first I sent a couple of friendly posts asking who they were and whether they'd like a public debate, but they moderated them away.

At the end of the day, I've come to the conclusion that clowns like this are best just ignored, let them be consumed by their own hate while we get along with the usual business of peace, truth and love.

The only people who read stuff like that is us, and it's just designed to irritate us.

Don't give him/them/her the hit rate or the satisfaction.

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 1:20 pm    Post subject: Source of photos Reply with quote

Stefan wrote:
they are, or are in contact with someone who used to be/is still masquerading as a truth campaigner - some of the photos on the site are from a protest at Parliament which no one else has - so they were there, or someone working with them was at least.


That is not true, in terms of the photos at least, they appear to have lifted the images from these articles on Indymedia and then manipulated them:

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/09/350486.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/09/350521.html

Specifically these two:





These photos are not hard to find, follow the "September 11, 2001" link from the "The Global War of Terror" article at the top of the Terror War page and you get there...

Also I did point out the source of these photos last week... see this post: http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=115945#115945

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At the end of the day, I've come to the conclusion that clowns like this are best just ignored, let them be consumed by their own hate while we get along with the usual business of peace, truth and love.

The only people who read stuff like that is us, and it's just designed to irritate us.

Don't give him/them/her the hit rate or the satisfaction.


Yeah... total waste of time... Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Chris,
I was referring to the ones taken at parliament - one of Ants with one of Gareth's board and one of Andy talking to Daniel Obacheke, both photoshopped.

I could be wrong, but I've never seen these around before.

Anyway, I think we've given this guy enough attention already now...

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 2:00 pm    Post subject: Doh! Reply with quote

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I was referring to the ones taken at parliament - one of Ants with one of Gareth's board and one of Andy talking to Daniel Obacheke, both photoshopped.


Ah, do'h! I have no idea about those two photos, I should have read what you said more carefully...

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has to be Paul Stott and Larry O'Hara in a new guise surely? Who else?

Looks like everything is from the public domain - no apparent access to telephone intercepts or insider moles.

What do others think as I haven't bothered to read it all other than to wince at being given a blue light scabre to wield!

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:56 pm    Post subject: Not Cultwatch Reply with quote

TonyGosling wrote:
Has to be Paul Stott and Larry O'Hara in a new guise surely?


Why?

There is no evidence that they have had anything to do with it and secondly it's not their style...

TonyGosling wrote:
Who else?


I don't know, but it would appear to be someone in London who uses photoshop, which narrows it down somewhat...

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What do others think as I haven't bothered to read it all


Well then perhaps jumping to conclusions about who produced it is not such a smart idea... Rolling Eyes

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Anyway, I think we've given this guy enough attention already now...


Indeed.

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just posted a response there and it plainly says
Paul says your post awaits moderation
Our old friendly interloper Paul Stott I should imagine
This is a very small group of obsessive mock-aggressive stalkers
Nothing to worry about - they are abusive and craven
Enjoy their humour

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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paul wright wrote:
I just posted a response there and it plainly says
Paul says your post awaits moderation
Our old friendly interloper Paul Stott I should imagine


Never has the extent of 'truther' research been better demonstrated.

It could be anyone called Paul.

What evidence do we have it is not you, Paul?

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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul (stott!) - you guys seem to like this blog - can you tell me its actual function? In terms of use or ornament.

Saucy gossip about the UK TM. A summary of what's said on the forum. Spending his time monitoring people he presumably assumes are deluded and going nowhere. What a sad *.

He sounds a bit paranoid -

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If you were to assemble a group of disinformation artists to disrupt the anti-war movement, who would you pick? An ‘ex’ MI5 officer would be a good start, how about a bunch of UFO conspiracy theorists? Maybe a dash of reptoid junk? How about couple of right wing ‘Alex Jones’ conspiracy freaks?

Sounds about right.


Probably a conspiracy theorist.

At least your blog occasionally has actual information on it.
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't care enough to research it Paul - to be honest I couldn't imagine why you would want to run two similar blogs - but it is obviously run by some Paul associated with the Borderlands Hub - so it might as well be you.
You'll do

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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't care enough to research it Paul - to be honest I couldn't imagine why you would want to run two similar blogs - but it is obviously run by some Paul associated with the Borderlands Hub - so it might as well be you. You'll do


As a summary quote, illustrating perfectly the non-existent research capabilities of 9/11 cultists, the above will do.
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes Larry, and of course you could find a lot more damning stuff on me, there's plenty of it if you bothered to look. The whole process of you guys is casting belligerent aspersions as though you know what's what, whilst in reality you are just as much w*nkers iterating a singular code
You're beaming a context and you don't even know you're doing it
That's it really - I know you're not in control of your obsessions, which seem to multiply as you go on.
I'll disengage now and of course forgive you from my part
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes Larry, and of course you could find a lot more damning stuff on me, there's plenty of it if you bothered to look. The whole process of you guys is casting belligerent aspersions as though you know what's what, whilst in reality you are just as much w*nkers iterating a singular code
You're beaming a context and you don't even know you're doing it
That's it really - I know you're not in control of your obsessions, which seem to multiply as you go on.
I'll disengage now and of course forgive you from my part
End of conversation


the above is sheer gobbledygook--to the qualities mentioned in my last post displayed by 9/11 cultists can be added (at least for the above poster) the inability to communicate in any language known on this planet.
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whilst you in your hemmed in space might fail to understand, many others will
You and yours are onside with the folks who control things and thinking
Let it go Larry and all the others associated with you
You've exposed yourself enough to what's real and what's not to make a decision
Your ideology cripples you
Please don't pretend this is too difficult to understand and is gobbledegook
It only undermines your sense of self
BTW this really is my last conversation with you and the numbers on this thread
You are so predictable

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Whilst you in your hemmed in space might fail to understand, many others will
You and yours are onside with the folks who control things and thinking
Let it go Larry and all the others associated with you
You've exposed yourself enough to what's real and what's not to make a decision
Your ideology cripples you
Please don't pretend this is too difficult to understand and is gobbledegook
It only undermines your sense of self
BTW this really is my last conversation with you and the numbers on this thread
You are so predictable


See what I mean? As Heidi says, 'More Salva Divinorum anyone?'
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can we bring a dignified end to this pissing match please?

I highly doubt that truthwatch is Paul and Larry, it's written in a much more childish tone than Paul would put out there at the very least, and Larry has never shown any desire to be anonymous in his hate campaigning...

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Larry O'Hara wrote:

See what I mean? As Heidi says, 'More Salva Divinorum anyone?'

That's quite another mode of being.
No Stefan, there is no other mode of being whilst these Class War advocates, quite rightly on the side of the poor and oppressed, while quite wrongly supporting beating up the rich and the police have their way
They're at the service of the oppressors whilst posing as advocates of the oppressed
They want quite seriously to challenge the emergence of how it is and are at one with the Brown, Bush, al Qaeda, 9/11, 7/7 and so on and so on
I was once with them but now regard the leftists and anarchists as a major part of the problem
Their views are stuck in ideologies coming from the Grand Orient Lodge and Weishaupt, directly plagiarised by the "revolutionaries"
We need to leap to the situationistes of the Sixties and their US street counterparts, Up Against the wall, Mothersomethingorothers,to get any semblance of truth, and they were for the most part wrong due to lack of knowledge

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What a bizarre set of claims.

http://truthwatchuk.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/the-wackohighgate-hub-con nection/

How I wonder does anonymous or the author of the article square their claims about this sinister unaccountable elite with the fact that all current office holders of the national campaign have given indication that they will step down at the next agm, that Toseef has stepped down as chair of the London 9/11 truth group, that I'm ending my involvement in this website and that there was an open call made here for anyone who interested in taking either the forum or the campaign forward to throw their hats in the ring.

Hardly the actions of a cult and the fact that different activists are taking the initiative and following different paths is more indicative of a lack of an all controlling hub than anything else.

Not a clue, not a flippin clue. I predict it a similarly sleepy future for this blog as its cultwatch cousin


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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is so sad. This is so sad.

This is so sad

Ego against ego. It's the same old story and it's so sad. Like a childish family argument while the house is burning down. Our planet is on fire and countless bodies, minds and hearts are being broken. Does anyone care?

I don't know if I will get angry or cry.

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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarpix.html
http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqabughraibpix.html

Why did we come here?

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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi John

Who do you think is having the childish family argument and what are they arguing over? If you are referring to the contribution of Paul and Larry and truthwatch, seeking to provoke a childish family argument is their purpose. I thought that was fairly obvious by now.
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ian neal wrote:
What a bizarre set of claims.

http://truthwatchuk.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/the-wackohighgate-hub-con nection/

How I wonder does anonymous or the author of the article square their claims about this sinister unaccountable elite with the fact that all current office holders of the national campaign have given indication that they will step down at the next agm, that Toseef has stepped down as chair of the London 9/11 truth group, that I'm ending my involvement in this website and that there was an open call made here for anyone who interested in taking either the forum or the campaign forward to throw their hats in the ring.

Hardly the actions of a cult and the fact that different activists are taking the initiative and following different paths is more indicative of a lack of an all controlling hub than anything else.

Not a clue, not a flippin clue. I predict it a similarly sleepy future for this blog as its cultwatch cousin


Ian mate, they're just trying to wind us up. Don't give them the satisfaction. You can be sure the only people reading it are 9/11 Peace Activists, Paul and Larry.

BTW - I don't think this is anything to do with Paul or Larry beyond the fact that they support anyone who attacks us (including Nico Haupt!) - if you remember the emails the quotes are from, there is an obvious candidate as to who "Anonymous" is....

http://truthwatchuk.wordpress.com/about/

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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stefan wrote:

BTW - I don't think this is anything to do with Paul or Larry beyond the fact that they support anyone who attacks us (including Nico Haupt!) - if you remember the emails the quotes are from, there is an obvious candidate as to who "Anonymous" is....

http://truthwatchuk.wordpress.com/about/


Yes I realise that truth watchuk is not Paul and Larry but I suspect they do feed off each others delusions and paranoia in a strangely cultish fashion
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The language and assertions are precisely the same
They pick out the foibles rather well - it's an amusing albeit malicious read
I'm not sure how the known proponents manage to post here so unmolested. They certainly don't tolerate such liberalism on their sites
Some leftwing bullying skinheads taking the piss I should imagine
Give 'em an inch....

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Truthwatchuk have just put the email sources in the public domain so I thought I would respond. The comments in bold are from their article

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“In an open letter to Indymedia, We Are Change recently denied being associated with the “911 Inside Job” crowd. Indymedia hid the letter which prevents it from being found in search engines.”

However, take a look at this image.

The original can be found here
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=11131. As you can see we have only altered the image slightly for comedic value. That really is members of We Are Change holding a “September 11th was a Scam!!” banner with the groups web site address.

The open letter which claims the WACkos have never made bold statements about what happened on 911 also fails to mention that at least four WACkos are committee members of the 911 “Truth” Campaign. Obtaining the complete list of all committee members wasn’t easy, but we did it.

The WACkos who sit on the 911 “Truth” Campaign committee are; Dean Puckett, Andy Baker, Toseef and Stefan . And it seems the 911 “Truth” Campaign is breaking its own rules for the WACkos. According to the 911 “Truth” Campaign rules each regional group has 1 representative on the committee. All four of these WACkos live in London. Hmm.


My response: Have you got a copy of this letter or the link? Are these their actual words? Even hidden Indymedia articles can still be read. I would be very surprised if WAC denied any involvement in 9/11 truth campaigning since (1) WAC in the US arose from inside the 9/11 truth movement, (2) as you point out, several are currently on the national committee and until recently Toseef was London group chair and (3) both prior and since WAC UK’s formation, WAC campaigners have campaigned around a new inquiry into 9/11 as can be seen by visiting their website.

What they studiously avoid doing (as does the British Campaign) is ‘making bold statements’ about what really happened. As the campaign site says “The campaign has no theory as to what did happen”. As for your difficulties getting hold of a list of committee members, did it ever occur to you to ask? The list is private not secret.

With regards who is on the campaign committee, what you fail to mention is (1) there are currently 40 names (excluding Morgan Stack) (2) 4 of the members from London are currently (for another few weeks) office holders: myself, Annie, Stefan (secretary) and Belinda (treasurer). Other committee members can verify that both Stefan and Belinda were extremely reluctant to accept these roles and were openly seeking others to step forward. As the constitution explains representatives from local groups are in addition to office holders (3) Finally in late 2006 as I recall, Toseef became chair for the London group taking over from Belinda.

This was an open process at which anyone with an interest was invited to stand. So why I ask did Meg or anyone else who shared her concerns choose not to put themselves forward at this time? In early 2007 the London group over several meetings decided to form 4 groups representing N, S E and W London. Whilst over the past year these groups haven’t established themselves as independent entities, this explains why London has 4 representatives. This is not unusual since West Yorkshire has 4 representatives on the committee, Bristol 2.

And what decisions I wonder does Truthwatch imagine the committee over the past year has been responsible for? I’ll tell you: (1) planning and managing tours by Willy Rodriguez, Cynthia McKinney and Webster Tarpley, (2) approving the revised content on the campaign website and (3) writing to all MPs ( http://911truthcampaign.net/mpletter.php ) and that’s it. http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=105216.
All other activities relating to 9/11 were arranged by autonomous local groups or individual activists.

So hardly a set of earth shattering decisions. Hardly decisions that controlled or manipulated the wider movement and throughout last year there was an open invitation for people to put forward proposals and offer practical support such as running a press office or updating the campaign website. Guess what? No one volunteered including the likes of Meg.

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Ian Neal, Noel Glynn, Annie Machon and Belinda McKenzie also appear on the list and also happen to live in London. This brings our total of 911 “Truth” Campaign committee members living in London to 8, at least.


As announced 3 months ago Annie, Justin, myself and Stefan are all stepping down at the next AGM. As last year and the year beforethat there is therefore an opportunity for anyone including Meg to put themselves forward for these positions. So how I wonder does Truthwatch square the fact that the very people she accuses of being an unaccountable elite are all stepping down.

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Some Truthers have realised what is going on but those who publicly question the motives of Annie Machon, their leader, are expelled not only from the Highgate Hub but from the entire “Truth” Movement.


What utter tosh. HH is a private house, so if you choose to insult and make evidence free accusations against Belinda and Annie, don’t be surprised if you are no longer invited around for tea. And how exactly does someone go about expelling someone from an entire movement. Contrary to ill-informed speculation, the 9/11 truth movement is not a cult or church from which you can be excommunicated. Get a grip.

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During email correspondence with the Highgate Hub an ex-truther - who will remain anonymous, once proposed “a new policy of greater disclosure in this London 911 Truth Group. The antidote to infiltrators is not more secrecy, but more honesty and openness.

“Nearly every significant person in the entire UK 911 Truth Movement has passed through one central hub in Highgate at one time or another – The home of Belinda, Annie and David (previously).

“And now there is a lot of U.S. traffic passing through too. This raises a red flag for me. Not to point fingers, but NO-ONE should be above suspicion. The events don’t really make money, yet there are always funds when it comes to wooing significant major players on the 911 scene.”


Well having broken your commitment not to reveal Meg’s identity by putting her (and my) emails in the public domain, let me state Meg most certainly did not propose a new policy of greater disclosure in this London group. That is what I asked her to do in my reply to her.

You see a new policy would actually specify the process by which decisions should be made: who would decide, how decisions would be made, how internal and external communications would be improved and what decisions different groups would be responsible for. Guess what there is no alternative proposal.

Not only that but I have taken the time to repeatedly explain to anyone who asks how decisions are made both at the national and London level and always left the door open for people to propose alternatives. I’ve done this at numerous open meetings of the London group, but since Meg choose rarely to attend these meetings it is not surprising that she has such a poor grasp of how things work, our history (both as a London group and a national campaign and network) and why no one would be able to tell you what this supposed new proposed policy of hers was/is.

It is clear she and truthwatch (assuming they are actually different people) have little understanding that London events are organised locally and are wholly independent of the national campaign.

Equally if she had asked we could have provided her with a copy of our accounts. These would show that we have indeed been spending slightly more than we have taken in, both nationally and in London. The way these were funded is not through anything dodgy but through the generosity of people like Belinda and to a far lesser extent myself

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Speaking about some of the tactics used to control communications (those looking at MWH might want to take note), Anonymous said ”I watched while one by one people were eliminated from lists, etc. You have to practically fight or beg if you want to stay on a list. I hear this all the time. It looks to me like all the dividing and conquering has already been done.”

In the emails Anonymous mentions Machon consistently used the term “general consensus” to get her own way, implying the majority of campaigners supported her ideas. But Machon repeatedly failed to provide names or any evidence to support these claims.

Firstly general communications. There is a national email list and a London email list. Of late these have been used sparingly and as far as I’m concerned they are open to anyone who wants to subscribe to them and anyone who attends London meetings regularly could tell you who manages these lists and they are not linked to HH or the committee.

Secondly, we know internal communications could be improved. I loose track of the number of times I have attempted to set up or encouraged others to set up private and public forums and networks to help campaigners to communicate with each other. These included encouraging Meg to work to establish her own and encouraged her to work closely with Mick Meaney to help this happen. Her failure to deliver on this had nothing to do with HH or any of the people Meg accuses.

With reference to the Amsterdam gathering, this was very much Annie’s initiaitive. I was included in all the emails which were circulated to campiagners both in the UK and Europe. Clearly at some stage, these plans were shared with Meg. Now Meg accuses Annie of using ‘general concensus’ falsely as a way of pushing decisions through.

So my question to her is if this wasn’t the general consensus what were the proposed alternatives and who proposed them and when? But hey instead of throwing wild allegations around perhaps Meg would like to do as Annie did. Take the initiative, propose something (such as an alternative European gathering) and try and build a general concensus around it.

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It’s not the first time she has been caught fibbing http://www.911cultwatch.org.uk/911cult_006.htm and as usual Machon still refuses to provide answers to this day.

Oh and the response from Highgate Hub?

“You are talking * and wasting our time”


No that would me who said that

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A “Truth” movement lead by liars, what else needs to be said?


Your opinion. Care to show me where I have lied?

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OK maybe this from Anonymous ”The irony is, there is all this talk about the NWO, the elite, the secret society, George Bush, the Neo-cons etc. And no one has noticed the obvious parallels. The group is not flat, nor is it inclusive. There is a lot of secrecy. There are a privileged few. There is an elite. They do sometimes meet in secret. There is centralised control. The workers are kept too busy to think. There is no time for dissent. The task at hand is all important.”


Tell me what specifically do you think this centralised elite controls. Part of the reason I decided to step away from any formal role in the forum, the campaign or the London 9/11 group is because I’m tired of negotiating my way through bs like this. I now choose to work with those I choose to work with and choose to ignore those I choose to ignore and I’m pretty sure that this also reflects Annie, Belinda and WAC campaigners.

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Highgate Hub /We Are Change/London 911 “Truth”/Make Wars History, whatever it’s calling itself this week, should think twice before it attempts to mislead the public again. We’ll be watching.


This basically sums up your ignorance. Whilst there are people who have connections too all 4 groups, there are many more who are connected only to one or two. Besides who is HH? Those who live there or anyone who has ever visited it including Meg? Who is WAC or Make War History? Anyone who has ever been involved or those who are currently driving it forward? Who is London 9/11 truth? Like I said to Meg, you’re talking *

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Disclaimer: The identity of ’Anonymous’ will never be revealed by Truth Watch UK as we obtained these emails via a third party. We will not publish these emails in their entirety without consent and will remove all quotes from ‘Anonymous’ on request.


Liar. Thanks to your actions we now all know Anonymous is Meg although for those of us who received her emails this was obvious from the off. So in conclusion, I stick to what I said: “What a bizarre set of claims” written by someone who clearly does not have a clue


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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian you're absolutely right - we have never made any secret that one of our core values is to campaign for a new investigation in to 9/11.

Our videos make this clear, our actions make this clear, our website make this clear, our tube poster made this clear, even an interview we gave focussed explicitly on 9/11 Truth.

The letter simply stated that we do not like the phrase "9/11 was in inside job" because it's a little trite and boils a very complicated argument into a football chant.

We sat down and made the descision to avoid the phrase after a protest at parliament descended into a row of people yelling "9/11 was an inside job" at the top of their lungs. In retrospect it just seemed a bit yobish.

As usual, the anonymous compulsive liar is just twisting what he can to wind us up.

Leave him to stew.

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:43 pm    Post subject: We Are Change letter to Indymedia Reply with quote

ian neal wrote:
Have you got a copy of this letter or the link? Are these their actual words? Even hidden Indymedia articles can still be read.


The article in question:

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Open Letter To Indymedia
We Are Change UK | 28.03.2008 10:13

We Are Change UK respond to frauldulent articles posted under their name and thank Indymedia for responsible editorial practice.

Dear Sir,
It has been brought to our attention that an anonymous user has been posting on your site claiming to be a representative of We Are Change UK.

The following posts are not by any member of our group:

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We Are Change UK - 911 was an inside job!
We Are Change UK take part in the 11th or every month action that calls for a new investigation into the events of 9/11 and to stop the Illuminati agenda.
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=113095#113095&sid=87 fe76736d9e7c3a53cded49d985b669
A
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/03/394741.html

We Are Change Exposes Secret Indymedia Agenda
Today Indymedia hides reports from the leaders of British activism, We Are Change.
We now now that Indymedia is controlled by Zionists and the Illuminatti.
This is enough proof:- Indymedia are protecting the culprits of 911, Freemasons and the Illuminatti.
WAKE UP! INDYMEDIA IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.
WAC
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/03/394763.html

We Are Change Banned From Zionist Indymedia
We Are Change, the leading activist group in the UK are banned from Indymedia for speaking the truth.
We Are Change are the most prominent and credible UK activist group this country has seen in years.
We Are Change aims to become mainstream activists with the Worlds media watching as a revolution is lead by We Are Change.
Zionists at Indymedia fear WAC.
We Are Change have the support of Alex Jones. Indymedia is afraid.
WAC
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/03/394761.html


We Are Change UK do not endorse trite phrases like “9/11 was an inside job”, neither have we any interest in any perceived “Illuminati”, “Freemason”, “Zionist” plots or conspiracy theories and certainly do not consider the Indymedia website to be anything but a reliable and reputable alternative news portal which we are happy to endorse.

We Are Change UK are a grassroots campaigning group who very much have our feet on the ground. While we do call for an independent inquiry into 9/11 and do not accept the official version of the events, we do not deal in conspiracy theories, or in laying blame on imaginary bogey men. Our aim is to bring awareness to all of the problems of our times which the Mainstream Media have neglected or turned a blind eye to.

We take a fact based approach to all of the issues we campaign against (amongst others):

Illegal aggressive wars ( Afghanistan , Iraq and any planned attack on Iran );
The refusal of an inquiry to the family members of the 7/7 bombing victims;
The lack of accountablility or real investigation into the deaths of Jean Charles de Menezes and Dr David Kelly;
ID Cards/ DNA Database/ RFID Passports;
CCTV;
Guantanamo Bay and any other prisons which break moral and international laws;
Extraordinary Rendition;
Slavery;
The siege on Gaza;
Use of depleted Uranium, white phosphorus and other barbaric weaponry;
The refusal of the US Authorities to answers the questions of the 9/11 victim’s family members;
The horrendous treatment of the first responders of 9/11 (see http://www.fealgoodfoundation.com);
Federalist European Union;
SOCPA law;
Threats to internet freedom;
“Anti-Terror” legislation which inhibits civil liberties.

The posts above are written in a tone which is a far cry from that which We Are Change UK endorses – a tone which has disturbing elements of anti-Semitism and support for violent revolution which We Are Change UK abhor.

We would like to thank Indymedia for deleting these fraudulent and offensive posts and wish all at Indymedia the best in their continuing effort to bring alternative, independent news and views to the masses.

Best regards,

We Are Change UK

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/03/394908.html


The addition to the article is not accurate -- it is confusing another long-term troll of the site with the poster of the fake WAC articles:

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/03/394908.html#additions

The email about it being hidden:

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394908 "dear indymedia" - i have no idea what this is about
(nineeleven.co.uk is mentioned) but probably belongs in this list and
not in wire since it is a comment on moderation? i don't fancy having a
discussion with person unknown tho (only signature is a web address)

http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-moderation/2008-March/0328 -fh.html


And another admin followed this up with another email:

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I'd say it's less a comment about moderation and more an organisation
distancing themselves from some nutcase * that has been written in
their name and posted on the Indymedia newswire. While the stuff has
been hidden it's their right of reply - stating their actual position.

http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-moderation/2008-March/0328 -ch.html


And this matter, the posting of fake WAC articles on Indymedia, was also discussed on Truth Action here:

Fake We Are Change Posts on Indymedia
http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3252

I think the fake posts were probably posted by the person / people being Truth Watch and I also suspect that last year they were "Rational":

The Call for a New 911 Campaign
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/09/381697.html

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think the fake posts were probably posted by the person / people being Truth Watch and I also suspect that last year they were "Rational"


Very very likely

Supplying their own Bogeyman is a common MO for those in the grip of a personal crisis over their own world view being pressured and desperate to stop others thinking thoughts that could further destablise that world view

I don't care whether they accept 9/11 truth or not: thats their business, not mine: but I do care about the self harm these behaviours inevitably lead to, so its all very sad

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's ok that the critics are all over this forum supplying antagonistic adversaries for re-affirming our own beliefs. It'll be all over soon and not before time. I suggest the critics go along with Tony. You might find a forum there. Personally I can't abide your waste of time and space
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