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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:11 pm    Post subject: Prince William initiated into Order of the Garter Reply with quote

The Order of the Garter was started just a few years after Philip the Fair arrested the Templars. What mediocre company William's now in.

Prince William, 25, is appointed a garter knight by the Queen
Prince William was awarded his first major royal honour yesterday when the Queen appointed him a garter knight.

Founded by Edward III in 1348, the Order of the Garter is the most senior and the oldest British Order of Chivalry and is one of the few honours in the Queen's gift to give without Prime Ministerial advice.

The second-in-line-to-the-throne will be officially installed as a Royal Knight Companion of the Order Garter and given his insignia by his grand-mother during a private service at Windsor Castle in June......




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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Prince William initiated into The Order Reply with quote

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The Order of the Garter was started just a few years after Philip the Fair arrested the Templars. What mediocre company William's now in.


Being a Royal, that's hardly a revelation. As it happens though, your implied link between the dissolution of the Templars over 30 years before and the creation of this Order, is off the mark. The order was created by Edward so as to build on a revived neo-Arthurian round table image, consolidating his position domestically after the battle of Crecy in 1346. What exercised Edward was not so much the Templars, but the fate that befell his father, Edward II, whose deposition and death had robbed the monarchy of the aura of legitimacy & nigh-invincibility created by the reign especially of Edward I. Never before, prior to the demise of Edward II, had a monarch been successfully deposed--in that sense the Order of the Garter was an attempt to buttress the 'ideology of legitimation' of the medieval ruling class: and has survived till this day as one element in the ideological firmament of the current ruling class. Philip the 'Fair' by the way, is more usually remembered as Philip the False Coiner, due to his continual debasing of the currency.

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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was that Edward II who got a red hot poker up his ass?
Really, Larry, stop processing our history as if it's some kind of normal political procedure.
The Order of the Garter is indeed some kind of dark ritualistic cult with some power in its hands.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Was that Edward II who got a red hot poker up his ass?
Really, Larry, stop processing our history as if it's some kind of normal political procedure.
The Order of the Garter is indeed some kind of dark ritualistic cult with some power in its hands.
Stop your perjorative and minimising ways or be gone


to call you ignorant would be to imply you possess any kind of critical faculties--the above idiocy needs no further comment.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 12:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Prince William initiated into The Order Reply with quote

Nice bit of verbiage Larry. You sound like an insider. Ever thought of a career as a masonic after-dinner speaker?

Anyone having big trouble with the bankers, as Philip the Fair was, is a champion of the people in my book.

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Your implied link between the dissolution of the Templars over 30 years before and the creation of this Order, is off the mark....blah blah blah.....

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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Prince William initiated into The Order Reply with quote

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Nice bit of verbiage Larry. You sound like an insider. Ever thought of a career as a masonic after-dinner speaker?


So, having more than a superficial knowledge of history gleaned from You-Tube makes me a mason does it? Beyond parody...

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Anyone having big trouble with the bankers, as Philip the Fair was, is a champion of the people in my book


Would that include Robert Maxwell then? And by the way, when Philip debased the currency (by clipping coins etc) the key losers were not bankers, but people, who found their hard earned savings were worth less than they had believed.

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Your implied link between the dissolution of the Templars over 30 years before and the creation of this Order, is off the mark....blah blah blah.....


Incisive riposte (not) to my comments.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Prince William initiated into The Order Reply with quote

I wouldn't have thought you'd have been giving that partial view of history in the bankers defence Larry.
Reinforcing the centuries long grudges of the Templars.
Specially rushing to the defence of the world's first multinational corporation.
And the Order of the Garter.
You sure are the dark horse of the forum.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Larry - You should know be now it does not pay to be too sophisticated for your audience!
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 3:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Prince William initiated into The Order Reply with quote

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I wouldn't have thought you'd have been giving that partial view of history in the bankers defence Larry.


How am I defending bankers? Ludicrous!

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Specially rushing to the defence of the world's first multinational corporation. And the Order of the Garter.


How am I defending the Templars or the Order of the Garter? Even more ludicrous. As a socialist Republican I support neither
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Prince William initiated into The Order Reply with quote

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How am I defending bankers? Ludicrous!

By having a cheap pop at plucky old Philip the Fair who took on the Templar bankers... presumably because of your anti-monarchical prejudice.

Would you criticise Harold Wilson for taking on the City of London as he did in the 1970s?

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I'm not too sure we should be engaging these Class War theoreticians who appear not to have the slightest understanding of historical progression, despite their disparagement of activists here as numbskulls.
They appear to be party to the very real attacks, as reported elsewhere here, on this movement
For all their jokiness they really are a very bum deal

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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 9:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Prince William initiated into The Order Reply with quote

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How am I defending bankers? Ludicrous!

By having a cheap pop at plucky old Philip the Fair who took on the Templar bankers... presumably because of your anti-monarchical prejudice.


So in a few posts I become transformed from a defender of monarchy (i'e. the Order of the Garter) back into a 'prejudivced' anti-monarchist. Priceless!

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No: I would criticise him precisely because he didn't take on bankers or other capitalists--he made it clear from NEC meetings in opposition he did not agree with, nor would he implement, the Left 'Alternative Economic Strategy'. Tell me: have you derived your exceedingly shaky grasp of history from off-planet tutorials?

As for Mr Wrong, can somebody point out to this buffoon I am not, nor have I ever been, a member of Class War (though I have good friends and comrades who are)?
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're exactly that type of person, Larry. Eternally in conflict. You gave your contact as Class War in one instance. You are in part and parcel that little black anarchist hooded chaos stimulating individual. That's your vibe. You're very dangerous and in cahoots and I'll shadow you every step of your way. You're pretty much the same as the BNP, -a shadow force for the governing party
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Prince William initiated into The Order Reply with quote

So you haven't read Robin Ramsay's Prawn Cocktail Party or any other account of Wilson's taking on the City of London Larry, shame on you! And shame on your feeble attempts to re-write history.

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Didn't you know that's why he was crowbarred out of office by the far right and MI5?

Are you in fact the same Larry O'Hara who edits a pseudo-left magazine?

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Would you criticise Harold Wilson for taking on the City of London as he did in the 1970s?

No: I would criticise him precisely because he didn't take on bankers or other capitalists--he made it clear from NEC meetings in opposition he did not agree with, nor would he implement, the Left 'Alternative Economic Strategy'. Tell me: have you derived your exceedingly shaky grasp of history from off-planet tutorials?

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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Prince William initiated into The Order Reply with quote

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So you haven't read Robin Ramsay's Prawn Cocktail Party or any other account of Wilson's taking on the City of London Larry, shame on you!


Ramsay was never sympathetic to the Labour Left: I was, up to a point. Hence he never believed their Alternative Economic Strategy was remotely feasible. I did--indeed, my knowledge is not derived from books alone, I was active on the Left throughout the 1970s, including (for a time) the Labour Party itself.


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Didn't you know that's why he was crowbarred out of office by the far right and MI5?


Yes, I am fully aware of the Wilson Plot, and if you were, you would know it was motivated by an (unfounded) fear he was really a Leftist & KGB asset to boot. If you really want to rewrite history & present Wilson as a genuine Leftist, you're even more wide of the mark than usual. Perhaps you might care to tell us which Prime Minister directed the security service to bug the leaders of the 1966 Seamen's strike? I'll give you a clue--it wasn't McMillan, Douglas-Home or Ted Heath....If Wilson really was a genuine Leftist, why do you think the Labour Left rewrote the policies in opposition? Instructions from the Illuminati? On reflection, you probably do think that.

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Are you in fact the same Larry O'Hara who edits a pseudo-left magazine?


I love it--somebody (you Mr Gosling) who has posted on Indymedia pretending to be a member of Class War in order to spread MI5 smears about them, calling me a "pseudo-Leftist". Love it!!


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You're exactly that type of person, Larry. Eternally in conflict. You gave your contact as Class War in one instance. You are in part and parcel that little black anarchist hooded chaos stimulating individual. That's your vibe. You're very dangerous and in cahoots and I'll shadow you every step of your way. You're pretty much the same as the BNP, -a shadow force for the governing party
Cheers mate - hope you have a good day of enslavement - such is your lot


even for this board, you are the sort of contributor for whom (as John Major once said) I really can hear the white coats flapping. Can you try the above post in English?...On second thoughts, don't bother.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:33 am    Post subject: Re: Prince William initiated into The Order Reply with quote

Hello! What are you talking about?
Wilson wasn't a leftie?
I'm impersonating people on Indymedia.
And rewriting history?
Anyone who thinks Larry has outlived any useful purpose here please PM me.
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I love it--somebody (you Mr Gosling) who has posted on Indymedia pretending to be a member of Class War in order to spread MI5 smears about them, calling me a "pseudo-Leftist". Love it!!


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The Order of the Garter

Again, in England, the property of the Templars was also transferred to the Knights Hospitallers, by King Edward II, the son-in-law of Phillip IV. Edward II was married to Phillip IV’s daughter, Isabella of France. But Edward II initially refused to implement the papal order enforced by his father-in-law. Between October 13, 1307 and January 8, 1308 the Templars went unmolested in England. During this period many fugitive Templars, seeking to escape torture and execution, fled to apparent safety there. Although, after the intercession of Pope Clement V, King Edward ordered the seizure of members of the order in England on January 8, 1308. Only handfuls of Templars were duly arrested however. But most Templars in England, as well as elsewhere outside France, altogether escaped arrest, let alone torture and execution.[13]

Rather, the traditions of the Templars seems to have taken on a new guise, under the Order of the Garter, founded by Edward II’s on, Edward III King of England. Edward III himself married Philippa of Avesne, who was descended from Louis IX’s brother, Charles I of Anjou. Charles I was the father of Charles II King of Jerusalem and Sicily, who married Maria of Hungary. Their daughter, Margaret of Sicily, then married Philip IV’s brother, Charles III of Valois. Their daughter Jeanne de Valois was Philipa’s mother.

The inspiration of the order, founded in 1348, as “a society, fellowship and college of knights.” was the King Arthur and the Round Table. Various legends have been described to explain the origin of the Order. The most popular legend involves the “Countess of Salisbury”, possibly Edward’s cousin, Joan of Kent. While the Countess was dancing with or near Edward at Eltham Palace, her garter is said to have slipped from her leg to the floor. When the surrounding courtiers snickered, the king supposedly picked it up and tied it to his own leg, exclaiming Honi soit qui mal y pense, meaning “evil upon he who thinks it”. This phrase has become the motto of the Order of the Garter.

As historian Margaret Murray pointed out, the garter is an emblem of witchcraft. Garters are worn in various rituals as magical properties and are also used as badges of rank. The garter is considered the ancient emblem of the high priestess. In some traditions a high priestess who becomes Queen Witch over more than one coven adds a silver buckle to her garter for each coven under her. According to Murray:

The importance of the lace or string among the witches was very great as it was the insignia of rank. The usual place to carry it on the person was round the leg where it served as a garter. The beliefs of modern France give the clue as to its importance. According to traditions still current, there is a fixed number of witches in each canton, of whom the chief wears the garter in token of his (or her) high position; the right of becoming chief is said to go by seniority. In Haute Bretagne a man who makes a pact with the Devil has a red garter.[14]

Margaret Murray believed that all the Plantagenets were witches. She said Edward III founded two covens. As the story is understood, Edward did not wish to have the people think that the Countess was a witch. The incident about the Countess of Salisbury’s blue garter is significant since it wa a symbol of witchcraft. Edward III's actions were to let Lady Salisbury know that her secret of her witch-hood was safe with him, because he himself was a priest of a coven.

According to another legend, King Richard the Lionhearted was inspired in the twelfth century by St George the Martyr while fighting in the Crusades to tie garters around the legs of his knights, who subsequently won the battle. King Edward III supposedly recalled the event in the fourteenth century when he founded the Order.

St. George, the patron saint of England, Georgia and Moscow, the origin of the knightly of rescuing a maiden from a dragon. St. George was a soldier of the Roman Empire who later became a Christian martyr. The traditional account of his life is considered to have originated in the fourth century. George was a Cappadocian, was born in Cilicia, and his mother was from Lydda, Palestine.

According to the legend, a dragon was threatening a town in Libya, and the people were forced to sacrifice their sheep to appease it. However, when their sheep ran out, they starting sacrificing their children, chosen by means of a lottery. Eventually, the kings daughter was chosen. Saint George, then a knight errant, wounds the dragon with his lance. He then instructs the princess to remove her girdle and to use it around the dragon’s neck. The princess then leads the dragon back to the city, and Saint George tells the people he will kill the dragon if the entire town will become Christians. The dragon is killed and the townspeople are all baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

The legend of Saint George is not a Christian story at all, but is a Christian adaptation of the typical dual of the Middle Eastern dying-god against the Sea-Dragon. The Dragon is Baal, and the reference to child-sacrifices in the legend is an allusion to the practice that was typical of his cult in ancient times. Historians note that the origin of the saint is Cappadocia, and is similar to the ancient god named Sabazios. The rites of Dionysus were the same as those performed in honor of Cybele in Asia Minor. Known as the Magna Mater, the Great Mother, Cybele, was identified with Venus and worshipped as the goddess of fertility. Her consort was Attis, known Adonis. Attis, named after the Phrygian name for goat,[15] became one with Dionysus-Sabazius, or assumed some of his characteristics.[16]

The cult of St. George first reached England when the Templars, who came were introduced to the cult presumably through their contact with the Rupenids of Armenian Cilicia, returned from the Holy Land in 1228. The battle flag of the Templars, known as the Beauseant, in some versions had four quarters, black and white, with a red cross patee in the center. Others, however, say that the red cross had straight arms, like the St. George cross of England.[17] An account known as the Golden Legend, recounts that St. George appeared during the First Crusade, with such a cross, emblazoned on his white armour, as he led the liberation of Jerusalem from the Muslims.[18]

Edward III’s sister, Joanna, married David II King of Scotland, the son of Robert the Bruce. While, in exile in the French court, it was David who created the The Guarde De Ecosse, derived from the Templar faction known as Scots Guard who came to the aid of Robert the Bruce. As the Scots Guard continued through the years, two of the prominent families involved in its history were the Sinclairs and the Stuarts. In France, they become the Personal Bodyguard to the French Kings, in perpetuity.[19]
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Prince William initiated into The Order Reply with quote

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Hello! What are you talking about?
Wilson wasn't a leftie?


The Labour Left (Tribune Group, Foot, Benn, Eric Heffer et al) didn't think so. In fact Peter Wright & Chapman Pincher were the only ones who did so.

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And rewriting history?


Are you seriously denying you claimed to be from Class War on Indymedia?

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Anyone who thinks Larry has outlived any useful purpose here please PM me.


i.e. you can't answer my points, so you want to liquidate me. Typical.

[quote] Anyway back to The Order

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More You-Tube/cut & paste, as a substitute for thought.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Prince William initiated into The Order Reply with quote

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Are you seriously denying you claimed to be from Class War on Indymedia?

Of course I am. Responding to your schizoid accusations could take a lifetime which is why I don't bother.

Larry, if you spent just one tenth of the time exposing the crooked Royals as you do trying to tell your leftie comrades, SWP like, what to think, your efforts might come to something.

This thread is trying to discuss the Order of the Garter and William so get to it or get out.

Do I take it that you think the Order is just a load of pomp?

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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Has some interesting things to say about Willy's new Order

"Edward II initially refused to implement the papal order enforced by his father-in-law. Between October 13, 1307 and January 8, 1308 the Templars went unmolested in England. During this period many fugitive Templars, seeking to escape torture and execution, fled to apparent safety there. Although, after the intercession of Pope Clement V, King Edward ordered the seizure of members of the order in England on January 8, 1308. Only handfuls of Templars were duly arrested however. But most Templars in England, as well as elsewhere outside France, altogether escaped arrest, let alone torture and execution.

Rather, the traditions of the Templars seems to have taken on a new guise, under the Order of the Garter, founded by Edward II’s on, Edward III King of England. Edward III himself married Philippa of Avesne, who was descended from Louis IX’s brother, Charles I of Anjou. Charles I was the father of Charles II King of Jerusalem and Sicily, who married Maria of Hungary. Their daughter, Margaret of Sicily, then married Philip IV’s brother, Charles III of Valois. Their daughter Jeanne de Valois was Philipa’s mother.

The inspiration of the order, founded in 1348, as “a society, fellowship and college of knights.” was the King Arthur and the Round Table. Various legends have been described to explain the origin of the Order. The most popular legend involves the “Countess of Salisbury”, possibly Edward’s cousin, Joan of Kent. While the Countess was dancing with or near Edward at Eltham Palace, her garter is said to have slipped from her leg to the floor. When the surrounding courtiers snickered, the king supposedly picked it up and tied it to his own leg, exclaiming Honi soit qui mal y pense, meaning “evil upon he who thinks it”. This phrase has become the motto of the Order of the Garter."
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Brother Jacques de Molay
Last public Grand Master
Convicted Heretic



"Item, that in each province the order had idols, namely heads, of which some had three races and some one, and others had a human skull.

Item, that they adored these idols or that idol, and especially in their great chapters and assemblies.

Item, that they venerated (them).

Item, that (they venerated them) as God.

Item, that (they venerated them) as their Savior....

Item, that they said that the head could save them.

Item, that [it could] make riches.

Item, that it made the trees flower.

Item, that [it made] the land germinate.

Item, that they surrounded or touched each head of the aforesaid idols with small cords, which they wore around themselves next to the shirt or the flesh.

Item, that in his reception, the aforesaid small cords or some lengths of them were given to each of the brethren.

Item, that they did this in veneration of an idol.

Item, that they (the receptors) enjoined them (the postulants) on oath not to reveal the aforesaid to anyone."

Articles of Accusations against the Poor Knights of the Temple of Solomon, following the mass arrest of Friday October 13, 1307.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BOB LOMAS <earlgrey@talktalk.net>
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Subject: A MATTER OF NATIONAL IMPORTANCE

Dear Editor,

A MATTER OF NATIONAL IMPORTANCE

One finds it hard to believe that a leading national newspaper such as the Daily Mail should publish an article on an essential subject of national importance written by a professional journalist, in this instance Michael Thornton, who clearly has no understanding of our Constitution and the role of the monarchy; unless of course the object of the article was to deliberately deceive.

In the article Michael Thornton ponders on whether or not Prince Charles should be Crowned King following the demise of the Queen or whether he should step aside making way for William. According to our system of constitutional monarchy that decision lies not in the hands of the monarchy or Parliament but in the hands of the people who decide who they want in a national election known as the coronation.

It is now so long since we had a coronation that few people know what it is all about and how it proceeds. In the event there is a great deal of protocol and pageantry of course, baggage that has accumulated down through the centuries, but apart from that, in principle, the procedure is basically quite simple. On the day of the coronation people drawn by invitation from every facet of society whose obligation it is to represent the people, assemble at the appointed place, traditionally Westminster Abbey. Traditionally the person to be crowned is the first in line of royal ascent, as the Crown passes to the first in line of royal ascent on the death or abdication of the previous monarch.

The coronation ceremony is the confirmation of that inheritance but there can be no confirmation until the people through their representatives assembled have verbally expressed their consent. The Archbishop of Canterbury brings forward the sovereign who at that time wears only a plain robe without regalia and asks all present if they accept the person before them to be their lawful monarch. It is then for those assembled to cry yea or nay. It is this vital aspect of the coronation that makes it an election, for if the people had no choice or say in the matter the question would be irrelevant. The people have the lawful right to reject the first in line and choose a sibling providing the person of their choice is in the line of royal ascent. It is recorded that Henry VIII always spoke of his coronation as being his election. Once the sovereign has been publicly accepted by the people the monarch then takes the coronation oath and swears not to rule or reign over the people but to 'govern' the nation according to the people's laws and customs.

Because since the days of George III aspiring politicians have sought to play down the lawful role of the people's monarch and have hidden the true meaning of the coronation and its importance, the people by and large have no understanding of what our constitutional monarchy and this nation is all about. This nation is not about Parliament and the people, it is about the people and their elected monarch, Parliament being no more than a temporary administration and legislature with no powers of its own what so ever, and governments are no more than delegated authorities subordinate to the people by sworn obligation to the people's elected sovereign as being the official Governor of the nation, a political office much the same as the President of the United States of America.

Under the prevailing political circumstances it would seem however that none of this is any longer relevant as in 1972 the Conservative Party then in government signed an article of national capitulation with the then European Economic Community which surrendered the sovereignty of the nation and the constitutional supremacy of the people's Crown to an unelected and unaccountable foreign political power. As clearly there can be no sovereign head of state in a country that is no longer sovereign and no governor of a nation that is no longer self governing the British monarchy was at that time effectively terminated.

This was confirmed in the case of the Merchant Shipping Act 1983 when the government of the day was brought to heel and the country heavily fined for having defied the supremacy of the European Commission. Later, in the case of the Metric Martyrs who defied the supremacy of European law and attempted to exercise their lawful right to sell their wares in traditional measurements according the our sovereign laws as promised them by the Queen in her coronation oath, the presiding judge dismissed their claim on the grounds that we had agreed in 1972 to surrender our national sovereignty to the EEC. Further confirmation of the termination of the monarchy came following the signing of the Maastricht Treaty when Prime Minister John Major announced in the Commons that the Queen had been made a citizen of the EU. Clearly no one can be both monarch and citizen at the same time.

With this regard it would seem that the British people are living under a delusion created by a sinister smoke and mirrors system backed by charades such as the Queen's silver jubilee and all upheld and perpetuated by the national press. Presently it is a case of 'oh what a web we weave', but all could be rectified if the national press jointly decided to be honest with the people and tell them the truth and so halt the progress down the slippery slope to anarchy on which the nation has embarked. Alas, recent events suggest that such an action would be highly unlikely.

Yours Faithfully, Bob Lomas. The Magna Society.

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As a teenager Keiser Wilhelm II was educated at Kassel at the Friedrichsgymnasium. In January 1877 Wilhelm finished high school and on his eighteenth birthday received as a present from his grandmother, Queen Victoria, the Order of the Garter.
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