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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:43 pm    Post subject: UK media & politicians and the UK 911 Truth campaign Reply with quote

The following is a copy of the correspondence trail (in chronological order) of my experience with a local newspaper, delivered free to dwellings in the area, and my local MP.

Hope that you enjoy reading the following epic (fact not fiction) and that your efforts with the press and politicians receive a more positive outcome for the 911 truth campaign than mine




18th April, 2005
The Citizen,
Victoria Court,
Penny Str,
LANCASTER Published: 20/4/05 (red text censored)
LA1 1XN

Dear Mr Fleming

Re: Letters to the editor

I foresee that the outcome of the forthcoming general election will result in a massive vote of no confidence in British politicians and the democratic system in Britain. The largest vote and an
increase on the last election percentage will be cast by those who choose not to take the responsibility of voting. Based on the past performance of the present government they have nothing to regret for taking this action at the last election.

I have always voted but having read the manifestos posted to me by Geraldine Smith (Labour) and James Airey (Conservative) I can understand why people make this choice. These manifestos tell you nothing. viz: key issues such as are we going to be given the choice (re: a referendum) of whether or not we wish to fully enter the European community and surrender our currency and control, whether or not we wish to give up more of our freedom; re; the issue of identity cards, etc.

At the last election I voted for Geraldine Smith and based on her achievements and performance for the area and her rubber stamping of actions of President Blair I totally regret making this selection. Her actions regarding supporting the government in sending our troops to an illegal war in Iraq
without the backing of the United Nations was appalling especially when there was no credible evidence that Saddam Hussein was producing weapons of mass destruction or that he had any links to terrorism or 911. As an excellent letter in the Citizen from Nick Bliss prior to the war confirmed, the truth, that all the illegal action was about was seizure of economic power and control of Iraq’s prize possession, oil, by the powers that be/hidden hand behind government.

Remember these facts if you do cast your vote: Ms Smith told us in the press that she would vote against the government if the United Nations failed to back the war in Iraq. The UN did not back the action but she did the opposite without any consultation with her constituency. British families lost their sons in this war and thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians, many of them children, were killed and maimed for life. How low can you go Ms Smith?

It is a pity we do not have a Truth or Peoples party to vote for, perhaps if we did this would engage the non-voting majority. On the subject of the truth and doing what is right I would like to issue the following challenge to the seven candidates who are standing for the two area constituencies:- have a look at the information on the following websites:- www.inplanesite.com, www.reopen911.org and www.911truth.org.

After evaluating this information tell us through the press whether or not you would support an independent inquiry carried out by democratically elected ordinary people to investigate the compelling evidence on these websites that the official story as provided by the US and UK government and the media which they own and control is a travesty of the truth.
Also don’t forget that in the UK, Dr David Kelly’s apparent “suicide” is being increasingly questioned by the medical profession with calls for a proper independent inquiry into the cause(s) of his death





On behalf of the 911 Truth Campaign

12 June, 2005
Geraldine Smith MP
Morecambe & Lunesdale
26/28, Victoria Str
MORECAMBE
LA4 4AJ

Dear Geraldine,

Re: The 911 Truth campaign

First of all congratulations on your re-election to serve the constituency of Morecambe & Lunesdale.. We hope that you will become an MP who will take seriously the growing concerns about 9/11 and the bogus War on Terror.

It is our opinion that, it is this issue - and this issue alone - that will come to dominate British politics over the next four to five years.

We have become part of a rapidly growing, well funded grassroots movement both in America and Europe, involving tens of thousands of ordinary people, that does not accept the official version of what happened on 9/11. Detailed research has revealed well over two hundred inconsistencies, or 'smoking guns', in the official 9/11 story. When the general public become aware of all this, the case for the on-going "War on Terror" will collapse.

Just consider these ten random examples for starters:

1. How can the nose cone of a Boeing 757, which is made up of soft carbon fibre and which
contains delicate electronic navigation equipment, penetrate six reinforced concrete walls
(making up three of the Pentagon's concentric rings) and leave a seven feet exit hole?

2. On the morning of 9/11, the standard procedure of fighter jets’ intercepting and escorting any plane which strays from its allotted course failed four times, after having succeeded on 67 previous occasions that year, 2001.

3. Eight or more of the alleged suicide hijackers have turned up alive and protesting their
innocence.

4. There is strong evidence to show the alleged hijackers were under surveillance before the attacks, that warnings of the attacks had been received by US authorities from many sources, including a variety of governments, and that FBI investigations were actively suppressed.

5. The attacks were so convenient for the neocons, allowing them to implement the plans they had made public in their Project for the New American Century. The following quoted by Michael Meacher in his introduction to Professor David Ray Griffin’s book, "the New Pearl Harbor" is particularly telling: "In this document [PNAC published in September 2000] future members of the Bush administration said that the process of transforming the US into ‘tomorrow’s dominant force’ was likely to be a long one, in the absence of ‘some catastrophic and catalysing event - like a new Pearl Harbor.’
There is no need for conspiracy theories when they themselves state their aspirations.".

6. Anthrax spores from US military sources were posted, not just to any old congressmen, but to those who were particularly blocking the passing of the Patriot Act.

7. July 2001 the Afghan government were told they would be invaded in October.

8. How could a hydrocarbon fire (aviation fuel) which can only reach a maximum temperature of between 1,600 to 1,700 degrees Fahrenheit, melt and distress the steel of the Twin Towers which requires a melting temperature in the range of 2,770 degrees Fahrenheit?

9. A mass of these inconsistencies and extremely disturbing questions unearthed by leading US researchers, such as theologian Dr David Ray Griffin, were submitted to the 9/11 (Kean) Commission, but were largely, if not totally, ignored in their final report.

10. The World Trade Center Building No.7 mysteriously collapsed, though it had not been hit by an aircraft? Like the Twin Towers, this 47 storey building, which just happened to house a CIA office and Mayor Giulliani's Emergency Bunker, fell neatly into its own footprint. The WTC lease holder, Larry Silverstein, said on TV that he gave the order to "pull" the building because there had been such a terrible loss of life. "Pull" is a term used to describe controlled demolition using explosives. How could a 47 storey building be wired up for safe controlled demolition nine hours after a surprise attack which killed hundreds of emergency personnel and left everywhere in total chaos?

A recent Zogby opinion poll revealed that half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act." While 66% have called for a new probe into unanswered questions http://www.zogby.com/search/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855

The stark truth is very simple. The neocons who make up the key elements of the Bush administration appear to be out of control. Evidence suggests that at the very least they allowed the 9/11 attacks to happen because these would provide a pretext for military action to realise neocon geopolitical objectives. Much of the evidence we have, though, suggests that they actually set up and executed the events of 9/11 to justify an endless global "War on Terror" involving pre-emptive strikes to effect regime changes in many countries, starting with Afghanistan and Iraq.

Now it appears they are preparing to strike at Iran sometime in the next few months, possibly as a result of a 'surprise' attack by Israel on the Iranian uranium enrichment plants. This will come as no surprise to anyone who knows about PNAC (Project for the New American Century). Scott Ritter's contacts at the Pentagon, who were right about Iraq, have confirmed that the President has ordered the Pentagon to have the military capability in place for such an attack on Iran by June of this year.

If you find all this just too hard to imagine, we would urge you first to read about Operation Northwoods at http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf and see how the mindset to commit illegal inside jobs in order to justify and trigger planned military operations and regime changes in other countries is not entirely unknown.

As you know only too well yourself, many tens, if not hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children have been killed or maimed in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention British military personnel, on the strength of what happened on 9/11. And we are now happily signing away our long cherished civil liberties in the imaginary and wholly contrived 'War on Terror' (remember the BBC's excellent documentary shown last Autumn The Power of Nightmares?).

Please get a member of your political team to go out now and buy these two books by the much-respected American theologian, David Ray Griffin - a man whose integrity is beyond reproach:

The New Pearl Harbor - Updated Second Edition (foreword by Michael Meacher MP) Arris Books ISBN 1 84437 036-4

The 9/11 Commission Report - Omissions and Distortions, Arris Books ISBN 1 84437 057-7.

Also please visit these websites that contain an enormous amount of information which backs up what we are saying:

www.911inplanesite.com
www.reopen911.org
www.911truth.org
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1036687,00.html
www.nineeleven.co.uk.
www.articbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/27302.htm

Please also have a look at the recent fire at the Windsor Tower in Madrid and see how a tall steel framed building should behave when subjected to a devastating fire - www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2796

In short, a terrible crime was committed on 11th September 2001, but no criminal investigation was held and forensic evidence was illegally removed from the crime scene with undue haste. There was a speedy verdict as to who had done it and a sentence was carried out in the name of "democratic principles" though no trial was held. It has made a mockery of the justice which both the US and UK supposedly stand for.

So where do we all go from here? In the light of compelling evidence that we have not been told the real truth about what happened on that fateful day, there is now an immediate need to call for a full and open independent international public enquiry into the actual events of 9/11.

Concerning our own Prime Minister, Mr Blair, what did he really know? He has real questions to answer - he was the only one in this country who wanted the Iraq War after his close liaison with Bush. And what about the forgotten Dr. David Kelly? We feel certain the real truth there has yet to be told.

Finally, we realise we have sent you a lot of information for you to take in and check out but we would really welcome a private meeting/surgery with you sometime in the next few weeks. All MP’s were invited, via postcard, including yourself to major free 9/11 Truth events in London (Friends House Friday 27th May and Friday 3rd June @ 7pm) and Manchester (Town Hall Saturday 4th June @ 7pm) where key researchers, survivors and witnesses from France, Canada, the UK and the USA presented evidence and their findings., Your absence at these venues was noted.

On behalf of our 9/11 Truth Group, we wish you well and look forward to receiving an appointment time and date for a meeting with you at your Morecambe surgery,








Note hand delivered to MP Geraldine Smith
1/7/05
UK 911 Truth campaign

Further to our correspondence dated 12/6/05 which your constituency staff/volunteers confirm is in your “in” tray we confirm the following:-

· since receipt of the letter on 12/6/05 at your Constituency office members of the Truth group have made contact on three occasions in an effort to make a surgery appointment without success.

We enclose further evidence for your consideration in the form of the attached dvd “Confronting the evidence” which presents further compelling evidence that the official version of 911 is a lie. These dvds were distributed to a public audience of approximately 500 people at Manchester Town Hall and London in early June 2005 which you were notified about by postcard. Your absence as well as other MP’s was noted.

We will contact your office again so please could you ensure that your staff are able to provide us with a surgery date and time. We request that you allocate us an appointment up to 2 hours so that we can present you with further visual/audio evidence and have a thorough discussion to find out how you can assist the objective of the campaign to secure a full professional independent inquiry into the evidence uncovered of 9/11/.

We look forward to confirming a surgery appointment with you next week and meeting you.










1/7/05 (recd 5/7/05)

Geraldine Smith MP
Morecambe & Lunesdale
26/28, Victoria Str
MORECAMBE
LA4 4AJ


Dear Mr

Thank you for your letter regarding the 911 Truth Campaign.

I am happy to meet you as a constituent. However I do not wish to meet members of your group who do not live in the Morecambe & Lunesdale constituency. I am also concerned that members of this group have been fly posting in the Lancaster/Morecambe area in an irresponsible fashion. On one occasion I noticed an important road sign had been fly posted over which could have caused accidents.

I have arranged for you to come and see me at my constituency office on Tuesday 26/7/ at 10am. Please let me know if there are any difficulties concerning this time and date.

Yours sincerely

Geraldine Smith










5th July, 2005
The Citizen,
Unit 4,
Victoria Court,
Penny Str,
LANCASTER
LA1 1XN

Dear Mr Fleming

Re: Letters to the editor

Thank you for publishing my letter dated 18/4/ (as attached: as usual with key important factual statements censored). Fact: the response from all the candidates standing for election to the question on the subject of obtaining a full and independent investigation into the events of 9/11 based on the compelling evidence on several websites that the official version is a lie was negative. So what does that say about our marvelous democratic system, which is supposed to serve its Citizens?

All the editors of the local press (including the L&M Citizen) and local MP’s were supplied with postcard invitations by the UK 911 Truth campaign to attend public forums at Manchester Town Hall and in London at the beginning of June. Their response to the information was negative and their absence from these well-attended free public events was noted.

On the 12th June correspondence was hand delivered to the constituency office (copy supplied to the Citizen editor) of Geraldine Smith and after several follow up calls we have finally been offered an appointment at her constituency office on Tuesday 26/7/ at 10am. We would like to take one local top quality independent professional journalist with us as a witness to the consultation. How about it Mr Fleming?

Last week the three hour DVD “Confronting the Evidence” which was provided free of charge to every person who attended the public forums was distributed to all local editors and also to MP Geraldine Smith. The UK 911 Truth campaign awaits their response to the following question: - will you support the campaign to obtain a full and professional investigation into the events of 911 based on the compelling evidence you have been provided with that demonstrates that the official version sold to us by the press and authorities is a lie?

If the negative response to the UK 911 Truth campaign from our MP’s and the British media remains we will then know that we no longer have an independent and free press/media or a democratic system in the UK and that we now mirror the US situation of being corporatised and enslaved at the expense of being told the truth.

A free and independent press/media committed to publishing the truth, is an essential ingredient in every form of civilized society. If it does exist and your modus operandi is not just solely dictated by money and greed, then the events of 911 could not present you with a better opportunity to prove to mankind that you are independent, professional and free to publish the truth and that you care.








Lancaster & Morecambe Citizen July 20 2005
Unit 4,
Victoria Ct,
Penny Str
LANCASTER
LA1 1XN

Dear Mr ,

Thank you for your letter dated July 5 and please excuse my delay in not getting back to you. I am aware of the UK911 Truth campaign and of the controversy surrounding the alleged lies in the official cersion of events on that day.

However, it will not be possible for you to join you at Geraldine Smith’s offices on July 26 at 10am. As I am sure you are aware Tuesday is our “press” day at the Citizen and that means I am rarely able to arrange or keep appointments outside of the office because of pressure of deadlines.

Yours sincerely
Philip Fleming
Editor










On behalf of the 911 Truth Campaign

24 July, 2005
Geraldine Smith MP
Morecambe & Lunesdale
26/28, Victoria Str
MORECAMBE
LA4 4AJ

Dear Geraldine,

Re: The 911 Truth campaign

Further to our letter dated 12/6/ followed by our note dated 1/7/ and enclosure of the DVD “Confronting the evidence” we wish to record that we have put your letter dated 1/7/ which was received in the post on 5/7/ on file.

I wish to record the fact that on Friday afternoon 8/7/ you contacted me at home demanding, in an extremely aggressive manner, to know the names and addresses of those who would be present at the appointment. I explained to you that I could not provide you with the information until I had conveyed your response to the group nor whether the “working day” allocated appointment would be convenient.

After letting you finish in your ranting Ms Angry mode I asked you the key question: had, you looked at the information sources (re; websites, books and the DVD) we had supplied and whether or not you found the evidence that shows the official version of 911 is a lie was compelling. Your immediate ranting response was you had and that the information was “absolute rubbish”.

Your correspondence and the taped telecom conversation we had was discussed at our meeting this week. I wish to advise you that every member of the group, including myself, was appalled and disgusted by your prejudiced response and we all felt it was an absolute waste of time and energy in meeting you. I wish to advise you that we will not be attending the allocated surgery appointment at 10am on 26/7/.

Your responses have also been communicated to the UK 911 Truth campaign HQ in London. Thankfully for the sake of pursuing the truth other MPs appear to have a more open-minded outlook and some labour MP’s have been committed to representing their constituents and the countries interests by assessing information independently. Notably Clare Short, Robin Cook, and Michael Meacher.

I attach a copy of the forward in David Ray Griffins outstanding book “The New Pearl Harbour: Disturbing questions about the Bush administration and 9/11(updated 2nd edition) written by MP Michael Meacher

I have also been asked to convey to you that we are appalled by the terrorist acts in London and the shoot to kill policy by the police authority which has led to the death of an innocent civilian as well as the deception and lies provided by President Blair and his cabinet, facilitated by the actions of MPs like yourself, concerning the illegal Iraq war and weapons of mass destruction!

Finally we are delighted to inform you that the 911 Truth campaign, thanks to the compelling evidence, is gaining credibility on an international scale and we wish to inform you and those above you in the pyramid of power that the objective of obtaining a full independent inquiry into the events of 911 will occur.

P.S I would be grateful if you would refrain from contacting me by phone at home again











24th July, 2005
The Citizen,
Unit 4,
Victoria Court,
Penny Str,
LANCASTER
LA1 1XN

Dear Mr Fleming

Re: Letters to the editor

Thank you for your letter dated 20/7/ in response to my letter to the editor dated 5/7/. I note that the letter has not been published in the letters to the editor section of the Lancaster & Morecambe Citizen as was hoped.

I am disappointed and sorry that you were unable to respond sooner and that you are unable to attend the meeting or indicate any such interest in attending such a meeting.

My interpretation of your response is that it is a negative one and it offers no support to the campaign to seek the truth and obtain a full and professional investigation into the events of 911 based on the compelling evidence you have been provided which proves that the official version sold to us by the press and the authorities is a lie.

As you are governed by the professional independent journalist standards set by the Press Commissions code of conduct I wish you to respond to the following questions which challenge your statement “I am aware of the UK 911 Truth campaign and the controversy surrounding the alleged lies in the official version of events on that day” This statement indicates to me your support and belief that the official version represents the truth. Based on the detailed evidence you have been provided with on 911 by the 911 Truth campaign please would you respond to the following questions, do you believe the truth is

1. a civilian airliner, a Boeing 757, hit the Pentagon?
2. that the collapse in New York of Building no.7 was not caused by explosives?
3. that the collapse of the North & South Tower in New York was purely attributable to the two flying objects which hit the buildings and that no explosives were responsible for causing the buildings to collapse as they did at almost the speed of gravity?

Whilst I understand your publishing deadlines must take priory and that as a consequence you are unable to attend the arranged meeting with Geraldine Smith on 26/7 I am concerned that as a free professional journalist you make no offer to attend as a witness a rearranged meeting to meet your busy schedule in your pursuit of publishing the truth.

This leads me to my final question, Would you be willing and able to attend, as an independent journalist/impartial witness, a rearranged meeting with Ms Smith to suit your weekly schedule? If you would, please would you supply us with some suitable dates.

I look forward to receiving your response.










Lancaster & Morecambe Citizen July 27 2005
Unit 4,
Victoria Ct,
Penny Str
LANCASTER
LA1 1XN

Dear Mr ,

Thank you for your follow up letter dated July 24 re: the meeting with Geraldine Smith. In answer to your final question (Would I be willing and able to attend a re-arranged meeting with Ms Smith). I have to say no thank you. I have given this a great deal of thought but cannot see any reason to involve either myself or the Lancaster & Morecambe Citizen in this major national and international debate.

The Citizen is a local paper which concentrates on local issues. I believe we are fairly competent in that field and am not about to move the goalposts and – if you will pardon the mixed metaphor – start swimming in the shark infested waters of international politics”

You challenge me to state where I stand on the issue, I do not believe that my original letter to you indicated any support on my part for either the UK911 Truth Campaign or the official version of events. The word “alleged” in my letter was specifically to show impartiality in that we have two sides telling very different stories about the same event and that both allege (or assert) their version is true. I allege I don’t know who I believe.

I hope that this answers your questions and states the case for the Citizen not becoming embroilled in the issue

Yours sincerely
Philip Fleming
Editor













28th July, 2005
The Citizen,
Unit 4, Victoria Court,
Penny Str,
LANCASTER
LA1 1XN

Dear Mr Fleming

Re: 911 evidence that the official version is a lie

Thank you for your letter dated 27/7.

Your letter makes your stand on the issue clear but for the record it does not answer any of the three questions which I asked you to respond to in the light of the evidence supplied on the DVD “Confronting the evidence”

My understanding of professional independent journalism, which you confirm you represent, is that it is committed to ensuring that the news and information delivered and peddled to the public is accurate and that it represents THE TRUTH. As an editor your support is meant to be for the truth, nothing else. I have given you every opportunity to show that you are prepared to pursue and report the truth on this issue.

In my opinion, your two letters indicate, either you are not fit to be an editor of a local newspaper, and/or that professional independent journalism in the UK is dead! Copies of your correspondence have been forwarded to the UK 911 Truth campaign HQ for information and for record purposes and I hope that one day in the not too distant future you will be challenged to account for your denial of the evidence you have been provided with.

Your letter also indicates your total disrespect for the UK 911 Truth campaign and me. Your modus operandi is clearly one of deception and cunning in an obvious attempt to maintain your comfort zone of “impartiality”, by sitting on the fence. In your correspondence dated 20/7/ you indicated that you were unable to attend the meeting arranged with MP Geraldine Smith yet a week later in your letter dated 27/7/ you advise that you have no intention of attending a meeting with MP Geraldine Smith as a representative of the media. So why did you not inform me in your letter dated 20/7/ of this Mr Fleming?

By denying to make a judgment on the evidence you have been provided with and not responding to the three questions contained in my letter dated 24/7/ you are in effect supporting the official story!, But perhaps that is what you are paid to do because the Citizen is owned by the American Gannet media corporation?

Other facts which support my allegation that you are supporting the powers that be/status quo is the extensive editing/censorship of my letter to the editor dated 18/4/ and the none publication of my letter to the editor dated 5/7/. It appears that your intention is to keep your readers in the dark rather in the light of the relevant facts thus maintaining the illusion of the truth (i.e the picture of the lie) in their minds?

Your statement “we have two sides telling very different stories about the same event” is a misinterpretation of the presentation given to you by the 911 Truth campaign. The 911 Truth campaign is not telling a story of the truth because to date it does not know the whole truth. It has however established that the official version of 911 is a lie, which in my opinion justifies its objective to secure an independent investigation to be done. For starters based on the visual evidence provided by the American media on the day we know that Flight 77 a Boeing 757 did not hit the Pentagon because there is no debris of a plane, the hole in the building is too small and none of the security cameras all around the Pentagon show a Boeing 757 hitting the building.
Ignorance and denial has no place in the mind of a professional independent journalist, just ask experienced award winning journalist John Pilger if it has.

I hope that your conscience can rest in peace and that you are able to sleep at night Mr Fleming, because it appears to me that your stand is with the terrorists, those who orchestrated the crime of 9/11 and the American and British government and media who delivered the “official truth/spin” to us.

The record shows that you have been supplied with evidence and information that the official truth is a lie and that your response to this is one of ignorance and denial. That Mr Fleming sadly for the truth seeking objective of the 911 Truth campaign is a fact and further evidence to show to the public that professional independent journalism is not practiced at the Lancaster & Morecambe Citizen on this issue.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 8:20 pm    Post subject: Politicians etc Reply with quote

Hiya!

I lived in Morecambe for 9 months and in Lancaster for 2 years (Lancs Univ!)

You have related and supplied some interesting details and I hope that other people will read what you have posted and form an opinion.

I do not mean to criticise, and you can tell me to "get lost" if you want, but I have the following thoughts to offer, based on my own attempts to do similar things:

1) We all care passionately about this issue and the truth involved.

2) We have a need to approach those in higher positions than ourselves to begin the process of getting these issues addressed.

3) With all the recent developments, we probably all feel a renewed sense of urgency.


I think it is important to remember how we felt when we did not know the truth of what happened and how unbelieving we would have been if anyone had tried to explain it to us. But, as we have viewed the evidence, we have steadily realised the basic truth.

I think this is the starting point for dealing with everyone else - whether they are multi-millionaires, a chancellor of the exchequer or a single parent living on a council estate. All we can really do, I feel, is encourage people to look at the evidence - not force them - encourage them and say passionately why we feel it is so, so important for them to look at it. If they do not look at it, or do not "get it", then I don't really see there is much we can do for that person.

For people in politics and media, that have a vested interest in NOT engaging with the evidence - at a very deep and fundamental level.

A separate issue is that there are some politicians who DO know the truth but feel that they CANNOT acknowledge this publicly if they want to keep eating. We have to try and respect this position, I think, and we just keep appealing to them. People in power are going to be increasingly difficult positions over time.

It is a shame that your MP behaved in the way that she did and it does seem there may have been "something else" going on with her, but if it had been me, I wouldn't have made ANY critical remarks about her behaviour in writing or over the phone, bad though her actions may have been. You can record these things for sure, but just ignore them and continue to gently appeal that they keep focused on the evidence. It makes the work much harder if we rapidly descend in to criticisms and insults of one kind or another. People are what they are and they do what they do.

I think also it seems like you have had a similar experience with the newspaper editor, also very disappointing, but generally predictable. However, I feel he would be very reluctant to read letters from you in the future. We need all the allies we can get.

I recently sent my MP some stuff about Chemtrails and I also sent her an audio CD of Morgan Reynolds broadcast. I ended the last letter thus:
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I can therefore only advise you, for future reference, of the reality and the validity of these matters and I must explore other ways of politely asking that these matters are properly addressed, even if this is only at a “grass roots” level. The truth, very painful though it is, will come out in time and I am now trying to help people deal with its implications.

Thanks for your time spent in reading this.

Yours Most Sincerely,
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This was her response to me:

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Thank you for your further letter of 14 July 2005. Your response is most reasonable given my failure to support your views.

I remain unconvinced but would not wish to close my door to you. If you would like to contact me again in the future you should not hesitate to do so.
Yours sincerely

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I took this to mean I was "officially" a reasonable person....!!! This means she will probably still read the stuff I send her, so when someone else like Morgan Reynolds sticks his brave neck out, I will be able to send her a disk and she might just have a look at it.

But anyway, we each have our own ways of approaching this and I am just offering my own thoughts and ideas.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:29 pm    Post subject: Politicians the media and the UK 911Truth campaign Reply with quote

Hi Andrew,

Pleased to read that you found the information of interest.

Actions speak louder than words!

As it sounds like you are quite a diplomat have you made any break throughs with the media and your local MP concerning the UK 911 Truth campaign?

Best wishes

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi.

I haven't made any significant breakthroughs at all. I get very little feedback from regular people - I am going to write a short article to post on this forum to describe my experience with this.

Liz Blackman is the only person to have responded - I think she has at least looked at some of the stuff and if you look at this file:

http://www.checktheevidence.com/9-11LettersAndResponses.doc

it has the responses I got from the Home Office and Counter Terrorism Policy Office in there too. I think these letters can be shown in our campaign as evidence that officials have been informed but are not engaging with the issue.

I think it is at least significant that Liz Blackman forwarded my original letter to the home office.

The way I look at it is simply the more people actually read something about this issue (even if it's water off a duck's back), the more chance we will have of "activating them" at some later time. All we can do, in this current climate of fear and paranoia (and disinformation) is plant seeds here and there. I think it is also important to try and engage people at all levels.

Last November, I did get a 3-minute slot on Radio Derby when I posted a "What's On" Event to the website to show George Humphries film "9-11: The Great Illusion" at a local pub. The news people rang me up and asked for an interview. I just gave an outline of what the film was about. 2 people showed up (1 of whom I already knew) and I got no other feedback. I gave the guy who interviewed me some articles and a CD of material. No feedback...

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:51 pm    Post subject: Diplomacy Reply with quote

Yes it is so important to be diplomatic and so hard to do so. It involves understanding where the other person is coming from and trying to find common points of agreement before launching into controvertial areas.

Assertions which conflict with our own worldview are hard to come to terms with. One website widely respected for its information on 911 asserts that the poor United States is being dictated to by the evil all-powerful United Nations. That does not accord with my worldview and therefore I reject it, but I don't reject everything on that website. Am I similarly burying my head in the sand?

I think that challenging the official account of 9/11 challenges the worldview of so many people and takes them into a reality which is really scary to accept. I used to hold the notion that the United States and Britain were basically democratic countries with good records on civil liberties. It has been hard for me to accept that that is not so, because it takes me out of my comfort zone.

I am now of the view that we are fast moving towards what will effectively become a global fascist state and only vigorous focused action by the public (us) has a chance of reversing the trend. I intend to spend the rest of my life campaigning for public awareness of what's going on and public action to prevent it. Only in this way can I deal with this nasty scary feeling. But I understand how difficult it is to face this reality and to change our actions to suit the new paradigm.

I believe we need to deal gently with others who naturally find similar difficulties in accepting the new paradigm and to remember how we felt when first confronted with the evidence which challenged our worldview. We need to show that we understand where the people we challenge are coming from and to avoid angry words and tone and to make our common humanity, our respect for love and truth, conspicuously paramount.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:29 pm    Post subject: "We're the Bad Guys" Reply with quote

Thanks Noel for your thoughts. I am very much singing from the same Hymnsheet as you I think.

One of the things which is the most difficult to face, then, seems to be that "We're the Bad Guys".

Obviously I am exaggerating and simplifying, somewhat, to make a point, but that's basically how it looks from where I am sitting.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:16 pm    Post subject: UK media & politicians and the UK 911 Truth campaign Reply with quote

Hi Noel,

Thanks for those words of wisdom. I cant relate to the scenario because I never believed the official story of 911 as soon as it was announced by the powers that be immediately after the event. I attribute that to my exit/deprogramming from the matrix when I started to tune in to the information that David Icke was putting out in 1997 in his books and on his website. Information which has proven to be true!

I do understand why it is so difficult to connect to these people, its mind comditioning and it starts the day we are born into this world.

Andrew refers to those who come out of the sheep pen mentality and are non conformist as the "bad guys". I think "black sheep" or the "red pilli" people is more appropriate.

I am prompted to provide the following information by the registration of the latest subscriber, no. 21, Morpheus! No doubt a Neo will follow soon!

The message in the film The Matrix is so powerful:-


There are none so blind as those who will not look. If you are one of those who will look, take a look around. You are surrounded -- surrounded by millions who will not look. These are the blue pill people. Who are these blue pill people and why won't they look?

"The Matrix" may be only a movie, but it presents some scenarios with much relevance to our current situation. In the movie, Neo meets Morpheus and is offered an opportunity and a choice. Neo can take the red pill and see the truth for himself, or he can take the blue pill and return, comfortably unaware, to the illusion of the Matrix. There he can live out his life undisturbed by the truth. The truth depicted in The Matrix is an extreme version of modern socialism.

In the futuristic scenario of the movie, a massive array of human beings are kept in self-contained pods that resemble artificial wombs. These "row-cropped" human entities are maintained in their pods, from their in vitro conception until they are no longer useful to the Artificial Intelligence (AI) entity. The AI entity needs certain things from these "humans" for its own sustenance, so it continuously breeds new human crops and extracts from them what it needs. In return, the AI entity supplies the humans' needs with several permanent intravenous connections and a neural link. The neural link provides the pod-bound humans with a complete illusion -- the Matrix. In the AI-created illusion the humans have a normal life in a real world. In reality, however, the civilized world was destroyed some time ago and humans have been harvested as crops for the benefit of the Al entity ever since. The Matrix is a complete digital holographic type "world" created by the AI entity to mentally contain its human crops while it extracts what it needs from their pod-bound bodies.

In the movie, when Morpheus is about to offer Neo the choice between either the red pill or the blue pill, he explains:

"You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain -- but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life; that there's something wrong with the world; you don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?"

"The Matrix," Neo asks?

"Do you want to know what it is? The Matrix is everywhere, it is all around us. Even in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes; it is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth."

And Neo asks, "What truth?"

"That you are a slave Neo, like everyone else, you were born into bondage; born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch; a prison for your mind. Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to experience it for yourself."

Those few humans who were either born into reality, or have successfully taken the red pill, become the focus of the movie's story -- their attempts to destroy the Matrix and liberate the mass of humanity that lives completely encapsulated in their pods and the illusions fed to them by the powers that be -- powers that will go to any length to maintain the illusion.

Extreme, but not much different than our modern system of corporate government and capitalistic socialism. The governing powers need things from us, not the least of which is our consent. To obtain our consent we are fed all manner of benefits. We are programmed from an early age to believe that such benefits are necessary. To obtain these benefits, a number of conduits are attached to each of us. Adhesion contracts like Social Security, a driver's license; voter registration for a pretended choice of social masters, bank accounts where credit is manufactured for our use and other memberships, registrations, licenses, deeds and permits to insure the conduct of our affairs will be confined within the "matrix" of corporate governance.

We are given our own numbered "pod," a social net provided by the government. Educated according to mandates of the state, our belief system is further cultured by corporate media.

There are various forms of "welfare" should we succumb to poverty or disease. If we are threatened or in danger we can call 911. Government's job of "securing" us is made easier by the massive database tracking our movements, our finances, the location of our homes and businesses and our tax records. When old age creeps up, we can rely on government to take care of us.

The corporate/government/financial interface combines to create a massive illusion of benefits -- the American dream. For the price of a promise to indebt our future labors, pay our taxes and play within the system, there are seemingly limitless toys, castles, comforts and consumables for those who believe in this Matrix. For half our productivity taken in taxes (the other half in payments) and the deeds and title to whatever we think we own, government and its private affiliates will take care of us.

To live in this Matrix, all we have to surrender is any genuine sense of independence, personal responsibility and our right to live freely and actually own the fruits of our labors.

And, like in the movie, a contingent of agents are deployed to combat any renegade humans who have a will for freedom from the Matrix which surrounds us.

As Morpheus expiained, "The Matrix is a system Neo, and that system is our enemy. When you are inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters, the very minds we are trying to save. Until we do, these people are part of that system and that makes them our enemies. You have to understand that most of these people are not ready to be unplugged and many are so hopelessly dependent on the system, they'll fight to protect it."

Why will blue pill people fight to protect a Matrix that enslaves them? It's all they know. And all their toys, castles, comforts and consumables will be gone without the Matrix. Their whole illusionary existence will evaporate, leaving them naked and alone.

What won't the blue pill people in our current "real" world look at? They refuse to acknowledge they are they are funding their enslavement to a socialist homeland police state. Last month, a few "red pill" people traveled to D.C. for an eloquent conclusion to Freedom Drive 2002, exposing the fraud of the l6th Amendment, the IRS, and the federal income tax. But the blue pill people remained comfortably in their coma, ever willing to pay a tax they do not owe. They fund Congress and the Nazi/moron president's implementation of America's new Third Reich, so they can feel "secure."

And, so the blue pill people can finally understand what really happened the morning of September 11, 2001, Henry Kissinger, the angel of death and global tyranny, will investigate the facts and tell us the blue-pill truth. Will Americans really believe the Doctor of genocide?

Hidden away on the 6th floor of the Department of Justice building is the secret FISA Court. U. S. attorneys have been going there for years to get secret search warrants from in-house, rubberstamp judges under the guise of "national security." This parallel "legal" system can order clandestine searches of citizens' and non-citizens' homes. From the "evidence" gathered, we can be secretly declared "enemy combatants" and held indefinitely at U. S. military bases.

Remember the detainment camps those paranoid conspiracy theorists told you about years ago?

U.S. officials claim they can detain and interrogate enemy combatants until the executive branch declares an end to the war on terrorism. This includes no access to lawyers or family members; investigations, interrogations, trials and punishments can be held without the protections secured by the Constitution. The Nazi/moron president's administration says there is ample precedent for what it is doing. Are we following the "ample precedent" of a man named Hitler?

Meanwile, the Congress has passed the American Gestapo Authorization (Homeland Security) Act which defines a terrorist as:

"The term "terrorism' means any activity that -- involves an act that is dangerous to human life or potentially destructive of critical infrastructure or key resources; and is a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State or other subdivision of the United States; and appears to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping."

As a test for social compliance, 838 blue pillers recently passed blissfully through an unconstitutional random roadblock in Pittsburgh without "seeing" the real "terrorists" in Homeland Security's new America -- the police state (See page 22). Is our present police state "dangerous to human life" and "destructive of critical infrastructure" like the Bill of Rights? Is it "against the laws" (18 USC 241; 242) to deprive a citizen of their right to travel and be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects? Do random roadblocks, by design, "intimidate or coerce a civilian population?" What happens if you don't comply with the roadblock?

The next test for blue pill compliance will be mass inoculations for smallpox. Will the blue pill population literally trample all over each other to get their shots as some officials predict? Has the vaccination "matrix" been so well entrenched in the blue pillers' minds that they will actually let mercury, monkey puss and aborted fetal tissue be injected under their skin based on an unproven theory that such things promote health and prevent disease?

And what greater "matrix" is there, than our current "fiat;' financial system? We "believe" that a piece of paper with the picture of a dead president has the value of the number printed on it and that one dead president is more valuable than another. We don't even consider that the use of this dead president paper is the direct cause of our own enslavement.

Have you ever seen your bank account? It's not there. Only the slight-of-hand practiced by the teller and the accountant behind the scenes makes this illusion look real to the blue pill people.

How deep does the rabbit hole go? Near the end of the movie, the Matrix's agent Smith acclaims the virtues of the Matrix to the captive red pill people's leader Morpheus: "Have you ever stood and stared at it? Marveled at is beauty; its genius? Billions of people, just living out their lives -- oblivious."

I hope that readers will find my contribution enlightening but lets get back to reality and stay on focus for the campaign. Is there anyone out there who has made a breakthrough with the UK politicians and media on the issue of the truth of 911?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:29 pm    Post subject: The Matrix Reply with quote

Yes, I think you'll find plenty of "Mr Anderson's" posting on this board...

Did you know that the Wachowski brother's pinched the story of the Matrix off someone else?

http://www.playahata.com/pages/interviews/interview_sophiastewartpt1.h tm

I guess I began to bring the Matrix really into focus in 2003 when I came across Disclosure Project (and I was very interested to hear Gary McKinnon talking about it in his BBC interview!)

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm! I didn't know the Matrix story - thanx 4 that.

There are supposed to be only a dozen basic stories and this one seems to me most reminiscent of the Garden of Eden myth, with the red pill as the forbidden fruit which gives knowledge of good and evil. But it also has echoes of Brave New World and Nineteen-eightyfour.

The lesson I take from the latter two is that we can choose to conform or not, but there are severe penalties in not conforming, though there are also rewards.

The Garden of Eden story though, I interpret as a allegory of human descent from a state of ignorant bliss on the spiritual plane to awareness with all its penalties in the material world. It is the human condition to have made this descent, "The Fall" and was a result of human choice.

Seems to be that, having collectively as a species made the decision to descend into awareness and suffering, we need to accept the implications of that awareness, the red pill, but nevertheless have the free will to take the "blue pill" (alcohol and other drugs, thrill seeking, recreational sex, entertainment, motor cars etc). I claim neither sainthood nor puritan attitudes here. I need the blue pill and indulge in it to some degree, but I try not to let it run my life. So as a blue pill taker myself, I must surely have some degree of understanding about where blue pill addiction comes from and not be too hard on the addicts. Perhaps we all need a certain amount of the blue pill to help us withstand the strains of being aware of the reality or at least of part of it.

Think it's time I started a thread on the tactics of how to approach people.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:02 pm    Post subject: UK media & politicians and the UK 911 Truth campaign Reply with quote

Hiya Noel,

Your welcome! Thanks for enlightening us all further with the truth so we can all evolve as one.

Yep I’ve read Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World” (first published in 1932 prior to the rise of Hitler and the third Reich!) and also George Orwell’s (real name Eric Blair) “1984” which followed.

These authors portray a world, which I do not wish to exist in, nor would I wish my children to exist in. The evidence that the official version of 911 is a lie presents
an eleventh hour opportunity for us all to prevent this from happening and that is a reason why I joined and am staying with the 911 Truth campaign. It’s the key to unlock the truth of the evil forces in command of the control system!

I am speculating here but perhaps these guys were Illuminati whistleblowers? I just don’t believe anyone could write such fiction with their imagination unless they had seen and read some plan or blueprint compiled at the top levels of the secret society system (Freemasonry etc) which controls us all.

David Icke in his outstanding truth book of the system “Children of the Matrix” refers to the editors of the press as “intellectual prostitutes” and that when they act as Mr Fleming and MP Geraldine Smith have to the EVIDENCE that the 911 Truth campaign is presenting, then the media and politicians are merely acting as the “gatekeepers”

As far as I am concerned newspaper editors are paid and are governed by their professional body’s code of conduct to ensure that the news/truth presented to the public is accurate. By accepting these payments they have a professional responsibility to adhere to the code of conduct. Likewise politicians have a responsibility to their constituents and are paid very well for it.

We should be hard on them and individually make our feelings of our disapproval public! If these “pillars” of society fail in their responsibilities then when we see them in the street in passing may I suggest that we turn our backs on them in protest of their failings on the 911 issue should they react to the information in this way.

As David VonKleist says in the DVD “911 In plane site The Directors Cut” when you see the evidence and do nothing about it you are protecting those responsible who planned and carried out the events of 911. You are in effect with and supporting the terrorists!

I do realise the forum website is only a week old but the negative response to the question I raised on this subject “Has anyone made a breakthrough with the media or politicians” indicates that Icke's statements are accurate. This is a fact that campaigners need to consider because the UK911 Truth campaign strategy when it appears on this website must take account of this.

By all means keep the MP’s and media informed, don’t give them the escape route of saying nobody made me aware of it. . As Andrew Johnson says keep asking the TOUGH questions but perhaps the campaigning needs to concentrate the lions share of its resources and energy at the bottom of the pyramid just as Mahatma Gandhi did!

How can such a minority of people control billions to create their new world order? …………PRS (Problem reaction solution) and PLANNED events such as 911 (read the PNAC document, the Project for the New American Century) ) is how they have done it.. Its time to wake up!

The evidence is the fiction is becoming fact and the fourth Reich and a totalitarian fascist state is becoming more visible as every day passes.!

This website and the UK911 Truth campaign has a responsibility as a source of reference/learning resource, resource centre for individuals and constituency truth groups, interactive & communication centre and a steering committee to ensure that every resident of the UK is informed/provided with the opportunity to see the EVIDENCE that the official story of 911 is a lie and to instigate a full professional and independent investigation to reveal the whole truth of 911.

I totally agree with your final comment regarding sticking to the 911 Truth campaign and “campaign threads” so lets get on with it and lead and steer the 911 UK Truth campaign through this website.

We should also learn from other methods that have been tried and produced so little relative to the financial outlay involved (re: advertising in the press which they own and control!).

Happy 911 Truth campaign creating and yes Andrew lets keep asking those tough questions so that they eventually become a mantra!!!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This blog by campaigner Simon Robinson has details of his lobbying of MPs

http://www.myworldjournal.com/generic/default.asp?username=simonralli

Also Justin and co have quite a bit of experience lobbying MPs on 9/11 and the London group has contact with a couple of Labour MPs
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simon a nice guy, done some good work up in the Borders.

But why the heck isn't Michael Meacher making the rest of his party aware of what's going on? Surely he's enough money to give his entire party a copy of David Ray Griffin's book.
MP's KNOW but don't want to get involved because they are nothing more than prostitutes.

BTW - great thread, I will update my experiences when got time here at work.

However, I have an offer to make everyone, I work for a news monitor agency and we record all TV/Radio/Satellite programs and keep for a month so if anyone wants something they missed let me know. I'm about to seize the key tapes from 7/7.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:22 pm    Post subject: UK media & politicians and the UK 911 Truth campaign Reply with quote

Hi 911 Truth seekers

Here is editor, Mr Flemings response to my letter, which IMHO shows you the animal you are dealing with when you engage the media from an individual perspective. The establishment tactic they use is what I refer to as playing the man rather than the ball.

The media and politicians will only engage and start playing ball when they see the 911 Truth campaign is recognised by a majority of the public. The step by step strategy of the campaign must take account of this.


3 August 2005

Thank you for your further letter re the UK911 Truth campaign. What part of my last letter did you not understand. I thought I made it crystal clear that I was not interested in involving the Lancaster & Morecambe Citizen in any campaigning on an issue of such huge international import – on either side of the debate.

To that end I did not feel the need to answer your questions in huge depth – interpret that as you may.

I am proud of the fact that the Citizen is highly thought of locally for its stance on issues that matter to the lives of the Lancaster and Morecambe people. That has always been the strength of this newspaper and will continue to be so.

I will treat your personal attack on my integrity – not the first – with the same contempt as I have all others. I will ignore it. As to your ridiculous conspiracy theories about my strings being pulled from up above whatever reason you wish to dream up……..perhaps you want to come and see the fairies at the bottom of my garden one evening. They are very active this time of year.

Yours sincerely
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The mission statement on the Citizen letterhead is! wait for it! "The free voice of the community"!

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I understand via the grapevine the Blackpool group have written to all MPs. Does anyone know if this is so and if so what was sent and how was it received

Members of the London group met with Jeremy Corbyn earlier this year and gave him a copy of the New Pearl Harbour
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