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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:14 pm    Post subject: UK Spy chief Alex Allan found with 'blood everywhere' Reply with quote

Is the 'war on terror' and the old chiefs about to be replaced by something new?

By Peter Griffiths in London

July 04, 2008 06:30pm
Article from: Reuters



BRITAIN'S top intelligence official is in a coma in a London hospital after collapsing at home, police and his office said on today.
Alex Allan, 56, chairman of the Government's Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC), the body which oversees the work of the security services at home and abroad, fell ill on Monday.

Media reports said he had undergone toxicology tests to check whether he was deliberately poisoned, although police said there was no suspicion of foul play.

"We were made aware of a man in his late-50s taken to a west London hospital after having been taken ill," the Metropolitan Police said.

"This is being treated as non-suspicious."

A Cabinet Office spokeswoman confirmed Mr Allan was in a coma after falling unconscious. She gave no more details about the nature of his illness.

"We can't discuss his condition because it is a private matter," she said.

Police became involved because two officers happened to be in the hospital where Mr Allan was taken and started making inquiries, according to a report in the Times newspaper.

Mr Allan had complained to colleagues last week that he wasn't feeling well, the report added.

"There were no indications that anything was wrong apart from him saying that he was not feeling quite up to scratch," one unnamed colleague was quoted as saying.

As head of the JIC, Mr Allan gives ministers assessments of security, defence and foreign threats to Britain's national interests.

His committee scrutinises the work of the intelligence agencies MI5, MI6 and the security monitoring centre GCHQ. He has direct access to Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

He was appointed last November, moving from his position as top civil servant at the Ministry of Justice. His artist wife Katie Clemson died of cancer last year.

The JIC was thrust into the public spotlight before the invasion of Iraq when one of its intelligence reports was used by the Government to help make the case for going to war.
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Senior British intelligence official is in coma

By GREGORY KATZ 10 hours ago

LONDON (AP) Britain's senior intelligence official has been rushed to a London hospital after falling into a coma, officials said Friday, but foul play is not suspected in his sudden illness.

Alex Allan, chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee, remained unconscious Friday morning after falling ill several days ago, said a government spokeswoman who asked not to be identified because of government policy.

Allan's collapse was not revealed to the public until Friday morning.

Toxicology tests have been conducted to investigate whether Allan, 57, might have been poisoned, but thus far officials have found no indication of foul play in his collapse.

"We're treating this as non-suspicious," said a spokesman for the Metropolitan Police, who spoke on conditions of anonymity as required by police policy.

The toxicology tests, the results of which have not been released, were conducted as a precaution in part because of the 2006 death by poisoning of former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko, who died in a London hospital after being exposed to deadly Polonium-210.

Allan, who has direct access to Prime Minister Gordon Brown, heads a Cabinet-level group responsible for providing the prime minister and other senior officials with intelligence reviews and assessments dealing with national security threats.

His role is to review top-level intelligence reports from Britain's spy agencies and warn the prime minister about threats as they develop. He is not involved in actively gathering intelligence but has access to secret reports from British and American intelligence and to Britain's military files.

Allan, a devoted fan of the defunct American rock band the Grateful Dead, was an unusual choice for the sensitive role when he was appointed to the position in November 2007. He has held a number of senior positions, including serving as secretary of the Department for Constitutional Affairs, but had little experience in the intelligence field.

While most people in his sensitive position have opted for secrecy and a low public profile, Allan posted details of his personal life on his Web site and was even photographed windsurfing to work along the River Thames. It did not go unnoticed that his sail bore the logo of the Grateful Dead.

Some of his Web postings have dealt with his wife's death from cancer last November. He had been married to Australian artist and sailor Katie Clemson for more than 29 years.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBC deliberately playing down the new 'covered in blood' angle. Sure is a weird one - he could even be dead already MOD etc dreading the announcement - prayes from here to him and his family.


Met. police are 'not investigating'

Could it be connected with this case??
Difficult to distinguish the sex of the killer from the e-fit
Police release e-Fit of New Cross murders suspect
http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/crime/police-release-e-fit-new-cross-m urders-suspect-$1230481.htm

Is Alex the ONLY named person on the committee?
Threat level SEVERE for the last 12 months!?!?
http://www.intelligence.gov.uk/central_intelligence_machinery/joint_in telligence_committee.aspx


Spy chief Alex Allan found with 'blood everywhere'
By Rupert Neate
Last updated: 11:53 AM BST 06/07/2008
Britain's leading spymaster, who is in a coma after apparently being struck down by a mystery illness, was found covered in blood, according to a tenant.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2257061/Spy-chief-Alex-Allan-fo und-with-'blood-everywhere'.html
MARINA IMPERI

Mr Allan was appointed as head of the Government's spy network in November last year

Alex Allan has been described as "very, very seriously ill" and is under police guard in the intensive care unit of a west London hospital.

He was found by Dominique Salm, a painter who rents an artist's studio in his west London home.

According to neighbours she found him slumped unconscious with "blood everywhere".

Doctors have run a battery of test to try and establish why the 57-year-old Chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee collapsed at his home on Monday.

Government sources insist there is no evidence of suspicious circumstances, but Miss Salm's account will add to speculation that Mr Allan may have been targeted by a foreign spy.

The painter's mother Sally Ann Salm told the Mail on Sunday: "Some very serious people have asked Dominique not to comment on any of this until it has been fully investigated and she is doing just that. So am I."

The Counter Terrorism Command has investigated but is so far treating the illness as non-suspicious.

A police source said: "Because he is a person of significance, investigators made sure nothing untoward had occurred. But it was quickly established there was a medical reason for how he was found."

Whitehall sources are blaming the collapse on pneumonia, and experts agree that prolonged coughing can bring up blood.

Dr Keith Prowse, chairman of the British Lung Foundation, said: "If it's pneumonia it is likely to be secondary to something else. And a significant quantity of blood is more likely to come from the gut than the chest.

"Pneumonia is something that can strike very quickly, however."

Mr Allan has been described as "ebullient and out-going" and once windsurfed down the Thames in a suit and bowler hat to avoid a transport strike.

He was private secretary to both John Major and Tony Blair and was previously permanent secretary at the Ministry of Justice and High Commissioner for Australia.

He was appointed to be chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC) by Gordon Brown a year ago and took up his job in the autumn.

It is Mr Allan's job to assess the intelligence put forward by MI5, MI6, GCHQ, military intelligence and foreign intelligence sources.

He reports to the permanent secretary for intelligence, security and resilience who in turn reports to the Prime Minister.

Government sources suggest Mr Allan was "too high profile" to be a target for foreign intelligence agencies but others have suggested this is exactly what could make him vulnerable.

Miss Salm has been using a studio at Mr Allan's home since the death of his artist wife, Katie Clemson, in November last year.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2257061/Spy-chief-Alex-Allan-fo und-with-'blood-everywhere'.html

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So who has taken over chairing JIC in Alex' stead?
May be what's behind this?
D-Noticed no doubt

Painter found British spy coated in blood
Published: July 6, 2008 at 5:18 PM
LONDON, July 6 (UPI) -- Alex Allan, chairman of Britain's Joint Intelligence Committee, was found covered in blood by a wildlife painter, the spy agency chief's neighbor says.

An unidentified neighbor said artist Dominique Salm found the 57-year-old top spy inside his home and likely may have saved his life by contacting authorities, The Mail on Sunday reported.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/07/06/Painter_found_British_spy_coate d_in_blood/UPI-55131215379100/

"Apparently there was blood everywhere," the neighbor said of Thursday's events.

"We didn't know what was the matter with him," the unidentified source added. "The next day all the police came and were looking round his house."

Salm's mother, Sally, told the Mail her daughter has already been asked not to comment on the case while investigators attempt to determine what caused Allan to lapse into a coma.

"Some very serious people have asked Dominique not to comment on any of this until it has been fully investigated and she is doing just that," the elder Salm said.

Allan is currently under police guard undergoing a litany of medical tests. The Mail said Scotland Yard officials have labeled Allan's case a non-suspicious situation.

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News in Australia only!
Again - nothing in the UK news today.
Ridiculous.
The JIC is now an entirely secret committee.
Disturbing.
This is how evil deeds thrive.


Spy chief planned Perth return
Andrew Thorpe

July 07, 2008 04:41pm

Britain's seriously ill "spymaster" has a home in Fremantle and had planned to return there to live with his wife, his friends in Perth said today.

Alex Allan, 57, who became chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee last year, is in a coma after apparently being struck down by a mystery illness in London last Monday.

According to Dominique Salm, an artist friend of his late wife, he was found covered in blood at his riverside Hammersmith apartment.

He was described as "very, very seriously ill'' and is under police guard in the intensive care unit of a west London hospital.

London's Daily Telegraph said government sources insisted there was no evidence of suspicious circumstances, but that Miss Salm's account would add to speculation that Mr Allan may have been targeted by a foreign spy.

Whitehall sources are blaming the collapse on pneumonia, and experts agree that prolonged coughing can bring up blood.


Mr Allan lived in Perth for three years from 2001 to 2004, where he worked in a number of roles in the IT industry and as a member of premier Geoff Gallop's Science Council.

His Perth friends, who did not want to be named, said Mr Allan and his wife Katie Clemson had moved to Fremantle in 2001 after Ms Clemson became ill with cancer when Mr Allan was British High Commissioner in Canberra.

They said the couple had always spoken of their wish to return to Fremantle.

After the death of Australian-born Ms Clemson in November last year, the friends said they had been unsure of Mr Allan's long-term plans.

The couple had belonged to the Royal Freshwater Bay Yacht Club, and the club today confirmed Mr Allan retained his membership.

They bought a period house in the Fremantle suburb of Beaconsfield, where Ms Clemson set up a studio to continue her work as an artist.

When Ms Clemson's cancer went into remission, Mr Allan accepted an offer to return to the UK to work in the Blair government in 2004.

He headed the then newly-established Department of Constitutional Affairs, and last year became chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee.

The couple lived in a Thames riverside apartment with a studio in Hammersmith, where Ms Clemson continued her art up till her death last November.


She died just days after the opening of her final London exhibition with two other Australian women artists.

Mr Allan and his wife were both accomplished sailors and had together competed in the two-handed Round Britain and Ireland Race.

Mr Allan, who was chairman of the Rottnest Island Task Force, had a keen interest in the resort island just off Perth.

For his 50th birthday in 2001, attended by overseas guests including well-known British America's Cup and Whitbread skipper Harold Cudmore, he took the whole party to the island.

WA Department of Land Information records show that Mr Allan and his late wife are the registered owners of their former home in McCleery Street Beaconsfield and another apartment in central Fremantle.

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It'll be all the fault of those Russians then. Here comes Reds under the Bed, Part II!
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Russia Hits Out at U.K. Over Report of Link to Litvinenko Death
By Henry Meyer
July 8 (Bloomberg) -- Russia accused hostile elements in the U.K. of trying to sabotage a thaw in ties after a British Broadcasting Corp. report linked the Russian government to the murder of dissident ex-KGB agent Alexander Litvinenko.


JIC Char Alex Allan windsurfing on the Thames - what's the weird symbol on his sail?

The BBC report, which cited unidentified people within the U.K. government, shows that ``not everyone in the U.K. has a constructive approach,'' Russian President Dmitry Medvedev's foreign policy adviser, Sergei Prikhodko, told reporters today in a phone link-up.
Medvedev met U.K. Prime Minister Gordon Brown yesterday at the Group of Eight industrialized nations' summit in Toyako, Japan. The two leaders failed to heal the rift over the Litvinenko killing, which has driven ties to a post-Cold War low.
Russia refused to hand over ex-KGB bodyguard Andrei Lugovoi, who is wanted for the 2006 radiation-poisoning murder in London of Litvinenko, a Kremlin critic who fled Russia for the U.K. Russia's Constitution forbids the extradition of Russian citizens. The dispute sparked a tit-for-tat expulsion of diplomats, and Russia closed U.K. cultural offices outside Moscow.
The murder of Litvinenko ``was a chilling crime that also placed others at risk,'' a spokesman for the U.K. Home Office said by telephone in London, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with U.K. government rules.
``At a diplomatic level, we have pressed, and will continue to press, the Russian authorities for Mr. Lugovoi to be brought to justice,'' he added, declining to comment on the BBC report.

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Prikhodko yesterday said that it ``won't be easy'' for the U.K. and Russia to overcome their differences. He said newspaper reports last week in the U.K. had presented Russia as one of ``the most serious'' threats for the U.K.
The Sun reported on July 4 that Alex Allan, chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee, the U.K. government's top intelligence adviser, had been hospitalized after falling suddenly ill at home. It quoted a security expert as saying that the likeliest culprits for his suspected poisoning were al-Qaeda or Russia's main successor agency to the ex-KGB, the FSB.
``It would be bizarre if these publications didn't represent the interests of those in the U.K. who don't want to see a normalization,'' said Prikhodko.
There are very strong indications that Litvinenko's poisoning in 2006 was a state action, the BBC quoted an unidentified senior British security official as saying.
The FSB, Russia's internal security organization, continues to consider covert operations outside of the country, the BBC reported. Russia has always denied involvement in Litvinenko's murder.

To contact the reporter on this story: Henry Meyer in Toyako, Japan, at hmeyer4@bloomberg.net;
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Allan

He's still alive (just)....

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex Allen - is he really Britain's top spy?
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Sure was a weird incident and you're right it's totally without explanation.
The story just conks out...
The fingerprints of cronyism, crookery and Stalinist censorship all over it

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David Icke is on record as stating that he has met goon agents who had been implanted with a device that if turned off could poisons them. I'm not really sure what to make of that but we sure as hell live in interesting times!

I did some research into the Greatfull Dead and found some interesting links to esoteric agendas, how they shapped the satanist pop culture of today, following on from such people as Alister Crowley, with satanic esoteric lyrics, etc. They had a strong following amongst elites (including Tony Balir - ok he's more puppet than elite but I can't recall all the other names). Please do some googleing on this.

The guy himself is moe like the watchman over the secruity serices, rather than the head. And yes the incident screams out for answers. Again a muted press fails an ignorant public.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@jadz - Have you come across any of the Laurel Canyon stuff?

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/155794-Inside-The-LC-The-Strange-but -Mostly-True-Story-of-Laurel-Canyon-and-the-Birth-of-the-Hippie-Genera tion-Part-1

Also have you noted the name of the present US State Department spokesman? ;-)

As for Alex Allen, the whole thing stinks of spook 'incompetence' - smells just as bad as the Gulf of Mexico MSM meme. All western spooks are losing their grip bigtime, IMnshO. Their non-stop fantasies have warped them irrevocably. Maybe they should all go visit Dolores to get some perspective? Better yet, look for more meaningful and humanity-oriented occupations? Psychopaths need not apply for anything but Xe cannon fodder...

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thermate911 wrote:
@jadz - Have you come across any of the Laurel Canyon stuff?

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/155794-Inside-The-LC-The-Strange-but -Mostly-True-Story-of-Laurel-Canyon-and-the-Birth-of-the-Hippie-Genera tion-Part-1

Also have you noted the name of the present US State Department spokesman? Wink

As for Alex Allen, the whole thing stinks of spook 'incompetence' - smells just as bad as the Gulf of Mexico MSM meme. All western spooks are losing their grip bigtime, IMnshO. Their non-stop fantasies have warped them irrevocably. Maybe they should all go visit Dolores to get some perspective? Better yet, look for more meaningful and humanity-oriented occupations? Psychopaths need not apply for anything but Xe cannon fodder...


This stuff is Heavy Duty!! I've got through the first two parts (of 6), and it rings true; I have had my suspicions for a long time, but thought of 'infiltration' rather than setting the whole thing up.
I actually had extremely strange, and suspicious, encounters when I was on the Hippie Trail in '67 (I had got into it accidentally; I was trying to get to Australia overland, but got caught up in the Trail and didn't make Aussie).
I'm not going to go into the details, but very strange occurences.

Incidentally, anyone heard of 'Operation Red Rock'? I hadn't, but it was a major 'False Flag' op to get Cambodia's Prince Sihanouk into the Vietnamese War by destroying their aircraft on the ground, and making it look like the VC had done it. But also, the mission was so sensitive, Nixon had said none of the team should get out alive.
The operation did suceed in getting Prince Sihanouk involved (leading to Pol Pot after the Yanks pulled out), and only two of the 14 man team (and none of the fourteen VC prisoners they took in with them) survived.

Chip went public after the 25-year secrecy period was up, and thought he had enough evidence to stop the government killing him: he was wrong, and he disappeared in 1998, and his tortured body washed up on a Panama beach in 2007 (so they kept him for 9 years).

Though a killer in his time, he died a Martyr to the Truth; a whistleblower extra-ordinaire:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4217457994226676654#

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2818882053570073287#

May seem a bit off-subject, but this stuff does need to be flagged, and Chip goes into 'Zombie' drugs, two-stage poisons as well as heavy-duty drug running into the States (and NWO/Bilderberg/CFR/Trilateral Commission/FEMA); a real must-watch pair of videos.

(PS I just reread my post (27/4/2012) and realised I put 'Lon Nol' as leader of Cambodia; it should of course have been Prince Sihanouk; I've corrected it above).

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Alex has reappeared - in the Jeremy Hunt will not resign soap opera! with a mystery reappointment which was done secretly to avoid bad press - curiouser and curiouser said Alice

Pictured: Alive and Tweeting...the spy who nearly died in coma mystery
By Jason Lewis - 6 June 2009

Looking tired, his hair thinner and a shade greyer, this is Alex Allan, Britain’s intelligence chief – a year after he was struck by a life-threatening illness which led to fears he was the victim of an assassination plot.
Finally back at work in his secretive Whitehall role assessing the work of MI5 and MI6, the cause of the spymaster’s near-fatal collapse remains a mystery.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1191292/Pictured-Alive-Tweetin g--spy-Alex-Allan-nearly-died-coma-mystery.html


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4. The extraordinary events surrounding the resignation of Sir Philip Mawer and the unannounced appointment of his successor require explanation. Paul Flynn wrote a letter to Sir Philip and was surprised to receive a reply from Sir Alex Allen. It may be unprecedented for a change of role to take place with such extraordinary secrecy and subterfuge. It's a reasonable conclusion that the Government intention was to conceal the resignation and the new appointment to avoid unfavourable publicity.http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/c mpubadm/1761/176109.htm


Cameron will not allow ministerial code adviser to investigate Jeremy Hunt
PM's spokesman says culture secretary will not face additional inquiry following Leveson revelations about special adviser
David Cameron will not allow his adviser on the ministerial code, Sir Alex Allan, to investigate whether Jeremy Hunt broke it, the prime minister's spokesman said for the second day in succession.
It has emerged that the cabinet secretary, Sir Jeremy Heywood, contacted Lord Justice Leveson on Tuesday afternoon, before Leveson advised that no other inquiries be held into the Hunt affair.
Heywood's contact came hours after Leveson's inquiry into media ethics published emails that suggested Hunt's special adviser had been providing inside information to News Corp executives.
The Cabinet Office insisted Heywood had not been lobbying Leveson to make his statement opposing other inquiries.
The prime minister's spokesman insisted that Cameron believed Hunt had acted properly and the matter should be left to the Leveson inquiry.
It is not known if Allan, the newly appointed adviser on the ministerial code, is pressing the cabinet secretary to mount an investigation to see if there have been any breaches of the ministerial code.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what is this JIC?

Sir Percy Cradock
05-29-2009, 03:22 AM
Born in 1923. Studied Law at Cambridge. Joined the British Foreign Office in 1954. Counsellor in Beijing. Charge d'Affairs in Beijing 1966-1969. Head of the Assessments Staff in the Cabinet Office. Ambassador in Beijing 1978-1984. In this position he opened and headed the Sino-British negotiations of 1984, which led to the agreement that the socialist system of the Chinese Republic would not be practiced in Hong Kong for 50 years, starting in 1997 when Hong Kong would have to be given back to China. Hong Kong would keep its capitalist system and its way of life. Foreign Policy Adviser (especially on British-Soviet relations) to Margaret Thatcher 1984-1992. Said to have believed that the slow collapse of the Soviet Union in 1989-1990 was a deliberate Communist hoax. Chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC), the coordinating board between the intelligence agencies (MI5, MI6, GCHQ, Defense Intelligence Staff) and politicians 1985-1992.

According to the former City banker and ASTRA chairman Gerald James, a person named David Hart, a member of Thatcher's inner circle and close friend of William Casey, was especially close to Sir Percy Cradock. Hart at some point boasted: "Thatcher told me so much. I could blow her out of the water in five minutes.", which was a reference to a possible smear campaign if Thatcher at some point would not go along with the City-Intelligence Services cabal.

Not a whole lot has been written about the inner workings of the Joint Intelligence Committee. 1995, Gerald James, 'In the Public Interest', p. 128-130: "Stephen Dorril tells us that when, in July 1961, Cabinet Secretary Norman Brook failed to pass to the Prime Minister information about War Minister John Profumo's affair with Christine Keeler (a friend of KGB officer Eugene Ivanov), 'Harold Wilson stumbled on a crucial secret, namely the fact that the Cabinet Office, not the Prime Minister's office, had overall control of the security service and, crucially, the overall flow of information': putting the real power into the hands of permanent government rather than elected government. Intelligence about arms comes from intercepted communications, MI6 agents and informers, embassy officials, and arms dealers. Robin Robison, former administrative officer for the Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC) responsible for disseminating that information, has put on record that GCHQ [British NSA] arms-deal information goes via JIC to the Bank of England, the DTI, FCO, MoD and ECGD, but is rarely passed into the parliamentary arena. Robinson's job was to sift through transcripts of bugged telephone calls and other intercepted material for inclusion in JIC's 'Red Book' before its distribution. 'Although the Director-General [MI5] has a right to direct access to the Prime Minister, he does not lightly go over the heads of permanent under-secretaries for fear of creating future problems,' writes one former intelligence officer. Ex-Deputy Chief of MI6, George Kennedy Young [whom Gerald James knew well], admitted that, when it comes keeping the Prime Minister informed, the Cabinet Secretary may conveniently fail to find an 'oppertune moment' to pass the baton of power from permanent to elected government. Dorril and Ramsay quote another security source saying that the Home Secretary 'hasn't got a clue what is going on. If he comes around, you lock away any sensitive files and set up a display file specifically for him to look at - a spoof file on some imaginary subversive with lots of exciting material in it. He's not going to know any better.'... Again, every week the Queen receives JIC reports while our own ministers remain relatively in the dark. We are told that Her Majesty makes useful comments on these, and it may be that her comments are more useful than those that might be forthcoming from ministers, but I believe that many ordinary people, brainwashed by the tabloids into thinking that the purpose of the Royal Family is to offer entertainment along the lines of soap opera, would be surprised to learn about this system of disbursement of vital information to government... If most Prime Ministers take up office without much or indeed any knowledge of the security services, in Thatcher's case she was briefed by people associated with Brian Crozier's [former head of Le Cercle] Institute for the Study of Conflict even as leader of the Opposition during Jim Callaghan's government... she was the first Prime Minister to insist that she sit in on the highly secret Joint Intelligence Committee meetings."
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