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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:22 am    Post subject: Swine Flu vaccination for every child? Reply with quote

Press Association this morning -
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090807/tuk-flu-vaccination-plan-for-chil dren-6323e80.html

Ministers are considering plans to immunise every schoolchild in the UK against swineflu.

'Every schoolchild' - schoolchild or child of 'school' age ? Wondering if Home Ed. kids are included in this (they are left out of most everything else ...). Either way, my child won't be having it.[/url]

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:34 pm    Post subject: Swine flu vaccination Reply with quote

Helpful letter sent by Lib Dem MP for Lewes, Norman Baker, to Andy Thomas as a reply to his questions about proposed compulsary swine flu vaccination. Norman has given permission for this to be widely distributed.

Dear Andy,

Thank you for taking the time to contact my office with regards to mandatory vaccinations in light of the Swine Flu pandemic. I had my caseworker speak to the House of Commons specialist, Dr Gavin Colthart, about this and I can now respond to the questions you raised.

Dr Colthart stated explicitly that the World Health Organisation (WHO) has no power to overrule sovereign laws and enforce a mandatory vaccination programme for any country. He added that part of the WHO’s success has been the fact that it is merely an advisory body and, while pressure can be exerted in the form of disapproval from other countries, if one country decides not to implement its recommendations, there is nothing to force a country to conform with the views that the WHO holds.

With regards to the government implementing compulsory vaccinations, Dr Colthart stated that this may be possible. However, the Human Rights Act and further protections under the Universal Direction of Human Rights would probably prevent such a policy being successfully pursued. What is more likely, although still very unlikely, is that the government could, potentially, impose restrictions on the movement of those who refused vaccination, such as preventing them from attending schools or public events.

The Civil Contingencies Act 2004 outlines the government’s ability to create emergency powers and “allows for the making of temporary special legislation (emergency regulations) to help deal with the most serious of emergencies”. The Act does have far reaching powers. However, they would be subject to Parliamentary approval, and I can assure you that I, for one, would oppose proposals which aimed to, in all words, make vaccinations compulsory. I suspect that my Lib Dem colleagues would also share this view.

If such a law passed, initially, there would be no rights to resist it as it would be law. However, it would be my assumption that a case would be brought by an individual fairly swiftly to the courts on the basis of violations of human rights. Whether such a case would succeed is not something I could speculate on, although I would have thought that there would be some strong public support for the individual and I would think that the case would be fairly strong in regards to a violation of human rights.

I hope that this is helpful.

Yours sincerely

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Swine flu vaccination Reply with quote

This vaccination is a rush job.
Even more reason to refuse it.

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The Civil Contingencies Act 2004 outlines the government’s ability to create emergency powers and “allows for the making of temporary special legislation (emergency regulations) to help deal with the most serious of emergencies”. The Act does have far reaching powers. However, they would be subject to Parliamentary approval, and I can assure you that I, for one, would oppose proposals which aimed to, in all words, make vaccinations compulsory. I suspect that my Lib Dem colleagues would also share this view.
I hope that this is helpful.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:50 pm    Post subject: Swine Flu vaccination for every child Reply with quote

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/swine-flu/swine-flu-latest/2009/08/07/f lu-vaccination-plan-for-children-100252-24342324/#sitelife-commentsWid get-bottom
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how many parents will comply.

Probably most.

I know someone who recently had a shot of Tamsfeldflu. The effects that it had on her are difficult to ascertain as she was always a bit nutty anyway.

I'm glad I dont have kids.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Short but dynamite video clip on vaccines:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/376.html

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow - thanks for posting that Outsider. Been researching online and keep turning up again and again that the mercury in vaccines is linked to autism and other childhood neurological disorders.
My daughter was born in 2001 at the height of the MMR debate - my community midwife actually warned me against giving her the MMR, stating her own sister's experience of her child developing autism after the vaccination. My mind was practically made up anyway but I took her advice and said no to MMR.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wildheart wrote:
Wow - thanks for posting that Outsider. Been researching online and keep turning up again and again that the mercury in vaccines is linked to autism and other childhood neurological disorders.
My daughter was born in 2001 at the height of the MMR debate - my community midwife actually warned me against giving her the MMR, stating her own sister's experience of her child developing autism after the vaccination. My mind was practically made up anyway but I took her advice and said no to MMR.




If you've got time, check out Rbert Kennedy's website; I haven't time at present, but I imagine there is some good data there.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GodSaveTheTeam wrote:
I wonder how many parents will comply.

Probably most.


God, I hope you're wrong. I'm telling everyone I know not to do this ...
(another thread over on the 'War On Children' section)

'Tamsfeldflu' Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catherine Austin Fitts' take on the 'Swine Flu':

http://solari.com/blog/?p=3532

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mail Online:

'Tamiflu turned my children into hallucinating, sobbing wrecks'
By Richard Price 13th August 2009

This week, it was with no small measure of satisfaction that I watched Andy Burnham, our implausibly youthful Health Secretary, squirm on the GMTV sofa.

Andrew Castle, it must be said, is no Jeremy Paxman. So when Mr Burnham agreed to take part in the show to discuss the alleged merits of Tamiflu (how it sticks in my craw even to write those words) he was doubtless looking forward to putting across the Government's point of view in the gentlest of surroundings.

What ensued was an ambush, as the visibly irate presenter revealed that his daughter Georgina had collapsed and nearly died after taking the supposedly harmless drug.

Mr Burnham, for his part, burbled some platitudes about Tamiflu being 'our main line of defence' against swine flu, and how it was a 'different phase of the illness' when Georgina was prescribed the drug.

Oh really? Perhaps Mr Burnham would have liked to come round to my house and explain the merits of Tamiflu to my three-year-old daughter as she sobbed and retched in my arms night after night.

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While he was at it, perhaps he could take the time to scrub our sitting room floor, once James, our exhausted 15-month-old boy, had vomited so many times that his tiny stomach could heave up nothing but bright orange phlegm.

This is to say nothing of the raging fevers, nightmares and hallucinations which plagued both our children until we decided they could take no more.

Squirming breakfast TV: Health Secretary Andy Burnham defended giving swine flu drug Tamiflu to children on GMTV as TV presenter Andrew Castle said his daughter 'almost died' after taking it

The effects of swine flu? Not a bit of it. My wife and I are utterly convinced that all these symptoms were, quite simply, the vicious side effects of Tamiflu.

Full disclosure: my wife, Jennie, was instrumental in making sure Mr Burnham appeared in public to discuss the issue. The previous night, she had appeared in the lead item on ITV's News At Ten to exhort all parents that they should think long and hard before giving Tamiflu to their children.

Having witnessed the damage wreaked by the drug at close quarters, we would never make the same mistake again.

It is difficult to explain the gutwrenching feeling of seeing your children suffer, when their pain is a result of your decision. And yet, like any responsible parents, all we wanted was to protect them.

In following the Government's advice, we thought we were taking the cautious route. How wrong we were.

Looking back, it started out in innocuous fashion.

When James's and Jessica's noses started running during a family day out in the Cotswolds late last month, we initially thought nothing of it. But when both started coughing and developed high temperatures, we rang NHS Direct to seek their advice.

Two hours later, after a flurry of phone calls starting with NHS Direct, both our children had been prescribed Tamiflu.

It was not certain that they had swine flu, but the on-call GP was pretty certain they had and it was better to be safe than sorry.

Under no circumstances were we to take the children to the surgery, so instead we were asked to dispatch a 'flu friend' to the nearest open pharmacy to collect the drugs.

At that stage - and I remember this vividly, having played it over in my mind dozens of times - both our children were reasonably well.

Jessica, in particular, seemed to regard the pills as sweets and was positively bouncing off the walls with excitement.

Once the first dose had been administered, however, all that quickly changed.

James's temperature, which up to that point had been kept at normal levels with Calpol, rocketed. His appetite disappeared and when his raging thirst finally persuaded him to drink some milk, he vomited so spectacularly that we are still struggling to clear up the stains several weeks later.

For the next day he barely moved, except to be sick every time he had so much as a sip of water. We had never seen him so ill, and because he was unable to keep anything in his stomach, there was no way of controlling his temperature with paracetamol.

His fever was reaching dangerous levels and we were becoming seriously worried about dehydration. Thankfully - though we did not see it this way at the time - James is nothing if not a character.

He knew what was making him ill - the Tamiflu - and he fought tooth and nail to resist taking the drug.

Producing the packet of pills was the only thing that could rouse him from listless torpor.

In the end, we gave up. Almost immediately, his symptoms cleared up and he was back to being our happy little boy.

Jessica, however, has always been of a gentler disposition. Perhaps it is a simple matter of gender, but she is delightfully eager to please, and even after the pills started to kick in it did not take too much wheedling for her to take them.

Indeed, for a few hours all seemed well. Until we were woken in the early hours of the morning by the sound of Jessica screaming, between deep, heaving dry retches: 'I don't like the pills, Daddy! Please don't make me have the pills!'

She was hallucinating, sobbing and more upset than I have ever seen her. Eventually she rocked herself to sleep in my arms, only to wake up an hour later and repeat the process.

In the morning, exhausted, my wife sought advice from our GP.

James had made his own decision, but we were encouraged to carry on with Jessica's course.

Pills were smothered in chocolate sauce, but she was no longer to be so easily fooled.

In the end, it took the promise of a trip to the toy shop and a river of tears before she, with typical sweetness, obliged and swallowed them.

That night, however, the screams and violent retching returned. By now she was begging, pleading not to be given any more pills. We cracked. Enough was enough. The Tamiflu went in the dustbin.

So what happened when we defied government advice and eschewed Tamiflu in favour of Calpol and cuddles? Within 24hours both of our children were completely recovered, save for those runny noses.

Yet the sobering fact is that today alone, the NHS will hand out Tamiflu to thousands of vulnerable little children who will go through needless suffering as a result of scaremongering about an illness which is no more dangerous than seasonal flu.

Of course, there is always the chance that your child will not suffer side effects, and the drug could reduce the length of the illness by a day - though even the Government now admits Tamiflu does virtually nothing to relieve symptoms.

Take it from us: it really, truly, is not worth it.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tide is turning.
MMR. Tamiflu.
Watch this space.
Most UK parents now healthily wary of government advice.

Swine flu drug Tamiflu 'a danger to children' and should not be given to them, expert warns
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1205542/Tamiflu-risks-outweigh -benefits-children-warn-swine-flu-experts.html

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I wonder how many parents will comply.
Probably most.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:30 pm    Post subject: Swine flu vaccine link to killer nerve disease Reply with quote

Swine flu jab link to killer nerve disease: Leaked letter reveals concern of neurologists over 25 deaths in America

By Jo Macfarlane - 15th August 2009

A warning that the new swine flu jab is linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the Government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter.

The letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, has been leaked to The Mail on Sunday, leading to demands to know why the information has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins.

It tells the neurologists that they must be alert for an increase in a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which could be triggered by the vaccine.

GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, causing paralysis and inability to breathe, and can be fatal.

The letter, sent to about 600 neurologists on July 29, is the first sign that there is concern at the highest levels that the vaccine itself could cause serious complications.............

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206807/Swine-flu-jab-link-kil ler-nerve-disease-Leaked-letter-reveals-concern-neurologists-25-deaths -America.html

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering that Andy Thomas has written a book 'Swirling Harvest', introduction by Lawrence Gardner, who has spoken a Skull and Bones, I don't know why people either trust, or quote, him.

http://www.vitalsignspublishing.co.uk/bookSH/contentsh.html

And if anyone did a serious analysis of the letter quoted above, passed on from Andy Thomas
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Helpful letter sent by Lib Dem MP for Lewes, Norman Baker, to Andy Thomas as a reply to his questions about proposed compulsary swine flu vaccination. Norman has given permission for this to be widely distributed.


they would see that it actually says nothing at all. (Wake up, 911forum).

This person at youtube, however, http://www.youtube.com/user/91177info has done some excellent work on the unfolding swine flu 'pandemic' (it's not) and possible subsequent mass vaccinations in the UK.

Mass Graves in the UK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h0MWhuJonY

Vaccine expert confirms depopulatoin agenda:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgZDYs0pAKc&feature=channel_page

WHO change the definion of 'pandemic' in 2003

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this the lead up...to Marshall law on account of swine flu?

Troops who have diffulties in following orders.

Or rather, don't follow orders, which is described as 'confusion'.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/3131058.stm


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Major Pulman said all troops involved had been given clear instructions not to engage civilians at any time.

"I think in this case we had a situation where we had some troops that were unfamiliar with their surroundings and possibly became over zealous in their application of what they were required to do," he said.

"We subsequently followed up by speaking to the commanding officer of the unit concerned and reiterating those instructions that were in place."

'Entirely unacceptable'

He added that a full review of the incident was under way.

Alex Fergusson, the MSP for Galloway and Upper Nithsdale, said he was deeply disturbed by the incident.

"This must have been a terrifying ordeal for some people who were simply enjoying a drive in the countryside, especially for the young children involved," said Mr Fergusson.

"I think it's unacceptable that this sort of thing should happen and I hope there are urgent investigations within the armed forces and the MoD and indeed Nato itself.

"It is entirely unacceptable in any shape or form."
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will Major Pulman be demoted, sacked, or promoted?
This shouldcause a ruckus in Parliament (Odd, this 'abberation' occuring while Parliament is in recession - pure coincidence, I'm sure Laughing). I would guess they just 'acclimatising' the 'sheeple' to accept whatever nonsense they foist upon us. And our 'snouts in the trough' MP's will wear it; they don't get 'pulled over'; they have 'KMA' on their ID's (if you don't know what that means, search 'Aaron Russo Historic Interview + Alex Jones + video').
Yes, Caz, I believe we're heading towards Marshall Law, but I doubt very much if it will come about this time round; not too long, though, before an 'incident' facilitates it (I'm sure Osama will oblige).

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just ended in Washington an INTERNATIONAL Swine Flu Conference -

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What is more, it has happened before. Just not to us, and not globally. But they have had a bit of practice:

http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=12422
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coming to France from 28th September - mass vaccination plans
http://www.theflucase.com/

Link to 'The Flu Case' and also highlighted on David Icke's site, abovetopsecret, the Power Hour etc ...

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ten-minute video clip on vaccines and contraception:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R005vkMmk1s

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are two short clips from Dr. Len Horowitz on the swine flu:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/696.html

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And to prevent the births in the first place -

Mexico, Nicaragua, Phillipines targetted with Tetanus jab laced with anti-fertility drug:
http://api.ning.com/files/fTyWLr8lVppf1E8dJK9D13eTVjn14BbjoYdWwgyGdDv6 JdFXPKAOAR0ssmiiaRpMIp6si6-eoBQtRuc8XkoHJTmHfOhhCMRn/LizMichael.comLiz MichaelTetanusLacedWithBirthControl.pdf

I got it from a blog on a Infowars-linked site:
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the flu season, parents.

Be sure to get your kids vaccinated!!! (make sure they are well insured):
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/health-and-medical-1/another-reason -not-to-get-the-flu-shot-.html

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Tamiflu: Britain spent £424m on a drug that shortens bouts but is no cure
The world started stockpiling in 2005 to avert a bird flu pandemic. Nine years later, Britain is considering buying more


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/10/tamiflu-britain-drug-shor tens-not-cure-bouts

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Narcolepsy boy wins £120k swine flu vaccine damages
3 February 2016
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-35472926

Mother Caroline Hadfield said Josh had to work hard at school as he missed lessons due to sleep

A boy with a rare sleeping illness caused by a swine flu vaccine has won £120,000 in damages.

Josh Hadfield, 10, from Frome in Somerset, developed narcolepsy after receiving the Pandemrix vaccine six years ago.

He was awarded the money after appealing against the government which had initially refused to pay as he was not "severely disabled" enough.

His mother Caroline Hadfield said winning was a "huge relief".

Families are entitled to £120,000 through the Vaccine Damage Payments Scheme, but only if they can prove "severe" disability.

Josh's narcolepsy was triggered after he was given the H1N1 2009 influenza vaccine, known as Pandemrix, made by GlaxoSmithKline, in January 2010.

He also suffers from cataplexy, which affects muscle control, but he had shown no symptoms of the illness before being vaccinated.

In January Josh was "wired up" for a sleep study at St Thomas Hospital in London

Ms Hadfield said: "It will help secure Josh's future. It's just a shame we had to jump through this amount of hoops to get this far."

She said her son was "coping" and had to have "one to two sleeps" during the school day.

"Josh has had to work incredibly hard because he misses lessons due to sleep and medical appointments," she said.

She added he had also had a large weight gain caused by the condition and his medication.

Josh is now in Year Six and will take his SATS later this year

The Hadfield's solictor Suzanne Williams said she was "incredibly pleased" for Josh: "To succeed in the appeal, we had to satisfy the tribunal that he had a 60% disablement or more and they, in fact, concluded that he was 72% disabled based upon his present symptoms.

"They were also critical of the medical evidence provided by the secretary of state which they considered had not taken into account the whole picture."

Pandemrix was most widely used in the UK during the 2009-10 flu pandemic and given to almost a million British children between six months and five years old.

Josh's mother Caroline Hadfield said his cataplexy sometimes caused "complete body collapse"

A spokesman for GlaxoSmithKline said: "We remain committed to carrying out additional research into the potential role of Pandemrix in the development of narcolepsy.

"We are also supporting ongoing work from other experts and organisations investigating reported cases of the condition."

The vaccine, which is no longer used, has also been linked to narcolepsy in children from Finland, Sweden and Ireland.

Matthew Hill, Points West Health Correspondent

The link between Pandemrix and narcolepsy was first suggested by studies in Finland and Sweden where a review of 75 children who developed the disorder had a tenfold increased risk of the condition within six months of having the jab.

This was confirmed by another study in 2012 in Ireland showing a 13-fold increase in youngsters between five and 19 years of age.

There are about 100 other cases in the pipeline, so it seems the awarding of £120,000 to Josh Hadfield is only the start.

Narcolepsy facts

• Narcolepsy is a rare illness, with around 10 new cases per million people every year
• The main symptom is falling asleep suddenly
• The cause of narcolepsy remains unclear
• Some people may be predisposed to the condition by their genetics
• Suggested initial triggers include infections such as measles or mumps, accidents and the hormonal changes that take place in puberty
• It most often begins between the ages of 15 and 30

Josh Hadfield's story was featured on BBC Radio 4's File on 4. You can listen online or download the programme here.

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