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The problem I personally have with the HAARP array analogy is that it is stationary and therefore unliikely to be directional 
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If they are ONLY taking them out of Haiti and putting them in families with the relatives/parents consent that wouldn't necessarily bother anyone.
But knowing the Americans are there it will more probably be more sinister
as allegations have surfaced of what happened to children in ex-Yugoslavia
http://www.kp.ru/daily/24096.5/324917/
Or in Vietnam and Cambodia before that. But this probably has more to do with the seedier side of Miami Vice...
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| Disco_Destroyer wrote: | | The problem I personally have with the HAARP array analogy is that it is stationary and therefore unliikely to be directional |
HAARP has thousands of relay stations and positions worldwide. It uses atmospheric plasma laid down by chemtrails. Because its main station is based in Alaska doesn't mean it's one stationary signal whatever its propaganda tells you |
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| paul wright wrote: | | Disco_Destroyer wrote: | | The problem I personally have with the HAARP array analogy is that it is stationary and therefore unliikely to be directional |
HAARP has thousands of relay stations and positions worldwide. It uses atmospheric plasma laid down by chemtrails. Because its main station is based in Alaska doesn't mean it's one stationary signal whatever its propaganda tells you |
All I'm saying is I don't understand how it can be controlled when it is static that is all 
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| Thermate911 wrote: | | Disco_Destroyer wrote: | | All I'm saying is I don't understand how it can be controlled when it is static that is all |
The array may be static but what it is attempting to 'control' is universal, dynamic and chaotic - welcome to UEMS (Universal Electro-Magnetic Spectrum).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oFqMadqJWc
Grabbing the USGS data (once again!) on Haiti may also prove useful... |
Sorry unconvinced. This is the equivalent of the DEW argument for the twin tower collapses. It is masking the more likely mechanism for both the twin tower collapses and Haitian earthquake, namely explosives. Explosives are a proven method for bringing down buildings and a proven method for causing seismic effects.
The youtube video is unconvincing. It describes HAARP using ELF waves which do not appear to be direct-able. Their ability to alter the jet-stream is unproven. I have described elsewhere that HAARP is unclassified and had university academics regularly attending their facilities. It stretches my imagination that it could have any military purpose (except communication).
The science to use explosives to cause earthquakes is well known. I referenced scientists that are studying the use of earthquakes for military purposes at the beginning of this thread. Use of explosives (atomic or otherwise) is where the body of evidence for this subject resides. Harping on about death rays etc is an instant barrier to sheeple - who still think that going to war against Iraq was legal !!! |
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| scienceplease 2 wrote: | | Thermate911 wrote: | | Disco_Destroyer wrote: | | All I'm saying is I don't understand how it can be controlled when it is static that is all |
The array may be static but what it is attempting to 'control' is universal, dynamic and chaotic - welcome to UEMS (Universal Electro-Magnetic Spectrum).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oFqMadqJWc
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Sorry unconvinced. This is the equivalent of the DEW argument for the twin tower collapses. It is masking the more likely mechanism for both the twin tower collapses and Haitian earthquake, namely explosives. Explosives are a proven method for bringing down buildings and a proven method for causing seismic effects.
The youtube video is unconvincing. It describes HAARP using ELF waves which do not appear to be direct-able. Their ability to alter the jet-stream is unproven. I have described elsewhere that HAARP is unclassified and had university academics regularly attending their facilities. It stretches my imagination that it could have any military purpose (except communication).
The science to use explosives to cause earthquakes is well known. I referenced scientists that are studying the use of earthquakes for military purposes at the beginning of this thread. Use of explosives (atomic or otherwise) is where the body of evidence for this subject resides. Harping on about death rays etc is an instant barrier to sheeple - who still think that going to war against Iraq was legal !!! |
Yes well the late Joe Vialls said that the Boxing Day Tsunami was the result of a meganuke dumped into the sumatran trench whilst Bali was from a mininuke buried beneath the streets
These are valid conclusions derived from knowledge of old technology
You could validly claim that the towers were brought down by nuclear blasts and gather the evidence to fit the theory
Still, we've moved on and Tesla was a long time ago and he had the theories and practice, allegedly then
So why bother with nuclear blasting when digital technology and billion watt blasting can perform the physical outcomes of nuclear fission at the touch of a few buttons |
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| Quote: | | I have described elsewhere that HAARP is unclassified and had university academics regularly attending their facilities. |
Sorry couldn't find your previous reference! I am however surprised that any system with elements of the control of the military can be described as unclassified.
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Agreed, nor are arguments regarding explosives without nothing more than suspicion. HARRP is however considered a valid topic for debate on this forum as is any information regarding any scientific developments. Some may hold world may end as a result of activities of particle accelerator at CERN in the creation of black holes and strange atoms. The world ending with neither a bang or a whimper but a slusssh.
We have to live with scientific development, generally however secretive groups within the military cannot be afforded that same trust as that given to experiments in an open science environment.
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We know it could be natural or it could be not, but we have the identifier, the exercise with the equipment palletted and troops ready to go and with Keen installed on the island the day before
one big whoomf from the ionosphere and there we go |
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| paul wright wrote: | We know it could be natural or it could be not, but we have the identifier, the exercise with the equipment palletted and troops ready to go and with Keen installed on the island the day before
one big whoomf from the ionosphere and there we go |
I agree about the "training exercise" indicates preknowledge but there are two big problems with what you say:
1) There is no such thing as "one big whoomf from the ionosphere", and
2) There is no such thing as "one big whoomf from the ionosphere"
I know technically that is one only problem, but it is such a big one that I thought I'd mention it twice. (Apologies to Red Dwarf). 
HAARP is an unclassified project and regularly visited by academics...
http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/faq.html
There is no way that any super-secret death ray capability could be kept quiet with a bunch of professors and students wandering through it.
There is no way that mini-nukes could be used above ground (for example on 9/11) since they always leave radioactivity which is easily detected by a geiger counter. Every school in the country has a geiger counter. You just would not be able to hide their effects. (That would include mini-nukes in Bali, btw)
Underground is a completely different matter: differentiating between an underground nuclear explosion and a natural earthquake is difficult and a real art form.
Placing an explosive underground in a shallow sea can be done using vessels such as Glomar Explorer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_Glomar_Explorer_%28T-AG-193%29
Or perhaps more sophisticated submarine drilling rigs - which is technically possible but not in the public domain. But if really want to know about secret military equipment - then I think you'll find most of the secrets relate to submarines and submarine capabilities.
Big whoomf from the ionosphere is just science fiction. There is just no feasible mechanism to create earthquakes in the Caribbean from Alaska. If Tesla had invented a death ray in the 1930s we would have seen it in action by now... |
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Are we still unanimous that Meysann is a reliable source? If so:-
http://www.voltairenet.org/article163626.html
Why would the Russians so assiduously track these 'events' otherwise?
And no, I personally remain mildly sceptical that 'we' have such (DEW) capability, despite the quiet revolution taking place in plasma physics.
However, the Russians and Chinese seem to think otherwise and are saying so publicly. Couple this with the increasing desperation of the western PTB to 'maintain control'...
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I agree with Science Please, stick to what is provable or likely until more evidence comes forward!
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| Disco_Destroyer wrote: | | I agree with Science Please, stick to what is provable or likely until more evidence comes forward! |
No evidence will come forward unless contrary postulates are widely promulgated
While I recognise the faultline will produce a quake sooner or later, I have no doubt this one was created for ulterior ends |
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Indeed. But note that the "energy released" is not the same as the energy needed to trigger such an event. (Hey quakes wouldn't occur at all otherwise!) |
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Until all government files are released one can only speculate.
But it is no coincidence that both Bandah Aceh and Haiti have been hit.
Both areas have been troublesome to western imperialism and its objectives.
But there are some differences. Whilst the alleged the epicentre of the Tsunami earthquake was nearer to Banda Aceh it allegedly travelled around 1,200 miles hitting Sri Lanka severely and reaching even the coast of Somalia and Yemen which is around 2,500 miles away but missing the US airbase of Diego Garcia...
With the Haitian earthquake it only hit Haiti not affecting the neighbouring countries. Hence either they have perfected the technology or an airborne attack via HAARP or they can position underground bombs much closer to what they want to target not creating a massive Tsunami effect in the whole region. It could also be a combination of both or just one variety of either. |
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| conspiracy analyst wrote: | but missing the US airbase of Diego Garcia...
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Always thought that very odd as it was directly on the route of the wave to the African coasts, and is pretty low lying |
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Two events for Haiti:
Radical Activist Network public meeting
No Shock Doctrine for Haiti
Thursday 11 February 2010
7.30pm-9.30pm
Brockway Room, Conway Hall, 25 Red Lion Square
London WC1 (googlemap)
Speakers:
Peter Hallward, author of Damming the Flood: Haiti, Aristide, and the Politics of Containment
Selma James, writer and solidarity activist, Global Women's Strike
Nick Dearden, director of Jubilee Debt Campaign
Haiti was the first independent nation in Latin America, freed as a result of an inspiring revolution. Yet it has been subject to domination ever since, from US occupations, to the crippling 135-year debt imposed by former colonial master France, to Western-backed dictatorships and IMF-imposed free market economic 'reforms'. The last US coup was in 2004 against much loved democratically elected President Jean-Bertrand Aristide who lives in forced exile and has been prevented from returning.
Now, as US troops patrol the country, free market economists are seeing new opportunities to privatise and 'restructure' Haiti's economy, while its external debts have still not been cancelled by rich donors. The 'shock doctrine' looks to be striking again. Join the discussion about what solidarity we can offer to those in Haiti seeking an alternative future.
Organised by the Radical Activist Network
Supported by War on Want and Climate Camp London
Facebook event: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=281283087948&ref=nf
Please invite your friends!
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The Tragedies of Haiti:
Reflection on the Earthquake and Interventionism
Friday 12 February, 6.30pm
VIDEO + Speakers: Encuentros Latinoamericanos and
Women of Colour in the Global Women’s Strike
followed by discussion
Venue: Inca Arch, 202 Coldharbour Lane SE5
Entrance by £2 donation for victims of the earthquake to go to
Haiti Emergency Relief Fund.
Organised by Encuentros Latinoamericanos (Café filosófico) & Global Women's Strike
Contacts: 07854185741 (Encuentros) (020) 7482 2496 (GWS)
Email: c_filos@yahoo.co.uk (Encuentros)
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Video Foro: Las Tragedias de Haiti: Reflexiones sobre el Terremoto e y el Intervencionismo
Habrán ponentes y un foro con el publico asistente
Lugar: Inca Arch 202 Coldharbour Lane SE5
Día: 12 de febrero
Hora: 6 y 30 pm
Entrante: £2 donación para las víctimas del terremoto a
Haiti Emergency Relief Fund
Organizado por Encuentros Latinoamericanos (Café filosófico) y
la Huelga Mundial de Mujeres (Global Women's Strike)
Contactos: 07854185741 (Encuentros) (020) 7482 2496 (Huelga)
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I don't understand the significance of this but this an interesting coincidence...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1248315/Baby-Doc-3m- meant-aid-agencies-Haiti.html
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Baby Doc could get £3m meant for aid agencies in Haiti
Nearly £3million earmarked for aid agencies in earthquake-ravaged Haiti could be handed to the country's former dictator.
A Swiss bank was yesterday ordered to give the fortune back to notorious Jean-Claude 'Baby Doc' Duvalier after the country's highest court reversed a decision to seize the money and give it to charity.
The brutal former leader - who once ruled over a machete-wielding, voodoo-worshipping private army known as the Tonton Macoutes - is thought to have embezzled the money from Haiti's treasury before his reign of terror ended in 1986.
Swiss authorities had blocked the Haitian cash in 1986.
But the country's Federal Supreme Court yesterday ruled that the 1986 ruling had expired under the statute of limitations and the money must be given to Duvalier, who now lives in Paris.
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The court's decision became public yesterday but was made hours before Haiti's January 12 earthquake which killed at least 200,000 people. |
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The modern Nero's giving themselves access to the pot of cash lately known as ....aid for Haiti.
Prior to that it was ...aid for Katrina and prior to that ...aid for the Tsunami.
If takint it to the Bank(imoon) don't work he can always be terminated Kofi Annan style (son alleged to have taken kickbacks).
After all Clinton does have a track record of dodgy deals, why let an ex-Presidency get in the way of that...
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3 February 2010 – Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon today asked former United States President Bill Clinton, already deeply involved in Haiti before last month’s devastating earthquake as United Nations Special Envoy to the country, to assume a leadership role in coordinating international quake relief, from emergency response to reconstruction to launching a new funding appeal.
“Needless to say, he has hit the ground running; he will be in Haiti on Friday,” Mr. Ban told journalists after he briefed the Security Council. “In particular, he will provide strategic guidance in our work for Haiti’s early recovery and long-term reconstruction, with a special emphasis on mobilizing international support and donor funding.”
International efforts to help the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere after the 12 January quake, which killed up to 200,000 people, injured many others and left 2 million in need of aid, have faced a series of daunting challenges compounded by the enormity of the catastrophe and the lack of infrastructure in providing sufficient food, shelter and other requirements.
The two men met at UN Headquarters in New York this morning and agreed that one of the most urgent needs right now is shelter with the storm season just months away. “Important as they are, tents alone will not suffice,” Mr. Ban said.
“In meeting this and other needs, we agreed that we must move as urgently as possible to develop a clear strategy that mobilizes all UN agencies and their partners, including national governments, NGOs (non-government organizations) and the private sector,” he added.
Mr. Clinton will work together with UN Development Programme (UNDP) Administrator Helen Clark and Mr. Ban’s Special Representative Edmond Mulet. Mr. Ban asked Mr. Clinton to launch a revised flash appeal on 17 February to carry the humanitarian effort for the entire year. The original appeal launched on 15 January sought $562 million, with the bulk going to immediate needs, including food, water and shelter.
Overall the situation in Haiti is largely calm, Mr. Ban said. “Food distribution is growing smoother by the day, and we have now reached about 1 million people. Banks, markets and schools are beginning to re-open,” he added.
Mr. Ban appointed Mr. Clinton UN Special Envoy for Haiti last May, following a visit they made together two months earlier to raise awareness of efforts to help its people and Government bolster economic security.
The inter-governmental International Organization for Migration (IOM), which is coordinating the provision of shelter, estimates that 1.1 million people are displaced. Aid agencies have already distributed 10,000 family tents and more than 11,000 tarpaulins, while a further 15,000 tents are in stock and more than 40,000 should arrive in the coming days and weeks, IOM said.
On food distribution, the UN World Food Programme (WFP) has scaled up its operation with the first systematic food distribution programme using coupons, which started this weekend. The agency has now reached almost 1 million people since the quake struck, with more than 300,000 gaining access through the new distribution system in the last 72 hours.
WFP’s emergency operation has now been extended until the end of 2010 and is likely to cost over $800 million, more than double the initial budget. “The world has saved many lives in Haiti through an enormously generous and fast response to WFP’s food and logistics appeal,” Executive Director Josette Sheeran today said today. “The humanitarian lifeline is now reaching millions of destitute women and children in Haiti. We are very grateful.”
UN Children’s Fund (UNICEF) Executive Director Ann M. Veneman was leaving today for the Dominican Republic on the first stop of a visit to Haiti, as the agency launches a massive immunization campaign aimed at reaching 500,000 children under the age of seven.
She will arrive in Port-au-Prince, Haiti’s capital, tomorrow and spend the day with children in the city and visit an immunization centre for measles, diphtheria and tetanus, all of which can be deadly in times of crises. She will then return to the Dominican Republic, where UNICEF is working to supply Haitian relief efforts. |
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"HAARPed clouds" photographed over Florida circa January 12th?
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| Serially segmented clouds spreading across the whole sky, especially containing 'trapped sylph' phenomena, are often associated with HAARP activation and targeting |
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| paul wright wrote: | | Serially segmented clouds spreading across the whole sky, especially containing 'trapped sylph' phenomena, are often associated with HAARP activation and targeting |
Definitely worth considering, IMO.
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1,000,000 Haitians still starving:
http://www.countercurrents.org/quigley050210.htm
If anyone does wish to donate to this tragedy, please do so through the Glbal Women Strike campaiiiign; they have pppeople on the ground, who will make every penny count.
http://www.globalwomenstrike.net/England/Englandindex.htm
(PS - I don't hold shares, but I do trust them implicitly!).
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| outsider wrote: | | paul wright wrote: | | Serially segmented clouds spreading across the whole sky, especially containing 'trapped sylph' phenomena, are often associated with HAARP activation and targeting |
Definitely worth considering, IMO. |
Where's the proof for that?  |
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| scienceplease 2 wrote: | | outsider wrote: | | paul wright wrote: | | Serially segmented clouds spreading across the whole sky, especially containing 'trapped sylph' phenomena, are often associated with HAARP activation and targeting |
Definitely worth considering, IMO. |
Where's the proof for that? |
There's no proof. The demand for proof is always suspect. These cloud phenomena are at once new, in that they've only recently been photographed and widely disseminated, and at the same time are immensely old and turn up in biblical and sumerian texts
The stranger cloud formations I've no theory for But the segmented clouds with entrapped entities within their midst are very indicative of HAARP activity
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