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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prole,

Do the two (or perhaps three) holes in the floor of the bombed Edgeware Road carriage rule out a suicide bomber causing the damage?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Prole,

Do the two (or perhaps three) holes in the floor of the bombed Edgeware Road carriage rule out a suicide bomber causing the damage?

No doubt the holes in the carriage floor will be explained away by the bomb causing the compressors etc to explode and blow the covers inside the train when the Inquests get to examine the nature of the explosives etc in early 2011.

This factual evidence based analysis by J7 will be far more difficult for the Inquest to explain away. If you can bring yourself to read something that doesn't tell you what to think and from which you can draw your own conclusions (and isn't written by NK or to my knowledge regurgitated by him, yet):

J7: 7/7 Inquests Blog: 7/7 Inquests: The Disintegration of Shehzad Tanweer

J7: 7/7 Inquests Blog: 7/7 Inquests: Danny Biddle, the Rucksack on the Lap - and the Explosion on the Floor

7/7 Inquests: The Alleged Identification of Shehzad Tanweer

July 7th Inquests - 'Life Extinct'?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a lot of words, not much about why Nick Kollerstrom has been labelled an 'apologist for nazis' around here...

Dogsmilk was being darkly satirical some pages back about how everything's the fault of the Zionists.

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If you find your nonsensical gibberish about Jews isn't going down too well, just post some gory stuff about Palestinians being killed by Israelis. This wins any argument remotely to do with Jews by default. This is because anyone who doesn't think Jews ('Zionists') are malign Luciferian profligates engaged in a Tavistock, Capitalist, Satanic, Marxist, Frankfurt School plot to destroy civilisation (as seen on teh interwebs) is a rabid Zionist MOSSAD agent who murders Palestinian children. It is simply impossible for someone to oppose Israeli policy without also believing Zionist Jews control the entire world and are hell bent on destroying/enslaving us all for some reason like Hollywood supervillains.


Would you accept similar criticism from a bona-fide ex-Zionist, rather than a mere part-Jewish non-entity, I wonder?


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Also, on another, rather obscure thread at
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=152176#152176
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Thermate is disturbed by 911 truthers because he has lost intersst in analysis of the crimes or finding the perps
he's become fixated on being a 911 truth internal security policeman
he also appears to want to waste everybodys time defending nazis and nazi apologists
maybe its time for him to go?


To which I replied suggesting he might want to run a poll if he cannot decide for himself... any takers? Wakey, for sure... ;-)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What a lot of words, not much about why Nick Kollerstrom has been labelled an 'apologist for nazis' around here...

Apart from swimming pools, art classes and jolly japes for jews, did you see this post and this post? If so what are your thoughts?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Double post - more net weirdness - apologies.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If so what are your thoughts?


Still inconclusive. Hence my continuing interest in why some researchers are hounded, despite being effective and others, such as "Zionist apologists", given a free pass or at least treated with kid gloves.

See the thread I linked to above if you want an expanded version of why I think all such terms are there to serve only the 'Masters of the Universe[tm]'...

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you had followed the detail of why so many of us had a problem with what Nick wrote you would know that it is his piss poor assertions that the nazi camps were effectively glorified Butlins on the back of his assertions about swimming pools and art classes (culled from other nazi apologists' 'research') that not surprisingly led to me and many others to see this as a crass, inaccurate apology for the actions of the SS and Hitler...hence the accusation of 'nazi apologist'.

Dogsmilk, being blessed with more patience than me, painstaking set out in a very logical way why Nick's snide assertions about the nature of the camps being 'not that bad really' add up to an unadulterated pile of nonsense.

Given that Nick's swimming pool and art classes 'research' has been flagged up many, many times by me, discussed at length in other threads and has been the grounds upon which various articles in the wider cyber space / mainstream media have attacked Nick as either a nazi apologist or anti-semite, I would have thought that you would be well versed in this and have your reasoning as to why this doesn't make Nick a nazi apologist all worked ... and yet you are saying 'inconclusive' whatever the * that is meant to mean. What is inconclusive exactly?

What an utterly pathetic response thermate
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No Ian, that is your and others (emotional?) assertions ("were effectively glorified Butlins"). So could you please tell us, what you think was the purpose of those camps precisely?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No Ian, that is your and others (emotional?) assertions ("were effectively glorified Butlins"). So could you please tell us, what you think was the purpose of those camps precisely?

Why don't you tell us all what you think they were for, Andrew?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What is inconclusive exactly?


A measure of the increasingly blatant bias around here.

Dogsmilk...logical...? I beg to differ, unless today's revisionist logic condones war crimes, that is?

Has Nick Kollerstrom ever condoned or denied the existence of war crimes, ian?

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No Ian, that is your and others (emotional?) assertions ("were effectively glorified Butlins"). So could you please tell us, what you think was the purpose of those camps precisely?

Why don't you tell us all what you think they were for, Andrew?

Why don't you tell us all what you think they were for Thermate?

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Andrew. wrote:
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No Ian, that is your and others (emotional?) assertions ("were effectively glorified Butlins"). So could you please tell us, what you think was the purpose of those camps precisely?

Why don't you tell us all what you think they were for, Andrew?



For one, they would have been most probably have been, internment camps for dissenters against the *Nazi's of anyone, regardless of race.

Two: for a work camp, for the war effort. Which would suggest keeping the guards and some of the prisoners (who would go along with their captures for favours) comfortable. Itís been suggested that keeping people (prisoners) hungry as to provide a cruel way of earning a reward for work done.

Itís possible that people died of disease because of close living accommodation, poor food etc.

Three: an internment camp for some people to be latter moved to, not to Madagascar but to Palestine.

Four: To make an example of some people who were Jewish (but not of Judah)(as necessary sacrifices for the Zionist cause, hidden from many by the people who work for ď*Zion, of the 33rd degree.Ē) as suggested in *Karl Markís and others (The Jewish question) for the meme we see playing out on this thread and else where.

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ďThe fundamental and overriding racism of *Marx himself helped to create an atmosphere in which Alfred Rosenberg's Zur Protokollen wisen Zionismus could be accepted. The anti-Semitism of the master communist planner and theorist - and Jew - Karl Marx, helped to create the preconditions for the later acceptance of Alfred Rosenberg's many conclusions about Jews in Der Mythus des 20. Jahrhunderts.Ē


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

item8 wrote:
Judea declares war on Germany


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Part one of 9. The rest are available at the same link. WARNING!!! Possession of this material will lead to imprisonment in many European countries.


Feeling that the title of Stupidest Nazi Apologist On The Forum is slipping away, item8 flies up the rankings by posting arguably the worst attempt at Holocaust denial ever (though maybe Kollerstrom pips him slightly).

Amid this astonishing drivel, I would like item8 to explain what exactly this 1933 meeting with German Zionists was, and how they could agree to send Jews to Madagascar - a short lived idea (and basically meant dumping Jews there) from 1940 - the notion being impossible before this time as Madagascar was French territory. Honest to God, this is so totally awful, either item8 posted it as satire or the guy needs a carer. I just cannot put into words how remedial you'd have to be to swallow this tripe, particularly given the massive quantity of material about this period that's been written. It's totally beyond belief.

Incidentally, later in this festival of retardation, there's a shot of a guy in a sort of chemical suit saying they were necessary to handle Zyklon B and that these were not available at Auschwitz. Thus entering the totally new terrain of delousing denial!
It gets better - exactly the same people made this ridiculously fraudulent 'Zyklon B experiment' video - so sh*te even the deniers on CODOH thought it was rubbish (except Kollerstrom of course - he got all excited about it, being a moron and all) - and in this they 'prove' it wouldn't have killed people in the chambers! And are merrily handling an alleged tin of it without suits!
And people like itembrainless just swallow this tripe.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What a lot of words, not much about why Nick Kollerstrom has been labelled an 'apologist for nazis' around here...

Dogsmilk was being darkly satirical some pages back about how everything's the fault of the Zionists.

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If you find your nonsensical gibberish about Jews isn't going down too well, just post some gory stuff about Palestinians being killed by Israelis. This wins any argument remotely to do with Jews by default. This is because anyone who doesn't think Jews ('Zionists') are malign Luciferian profligates engaged in a Tavistock, Capitalist, Satanic, Marxist, Frankfurt School plot to destroy civilisation (as seen on teh interwebs) is a rabid Zionist MOSSAD agent who murders Palestinian children. It is simply impossible for someone to oppose Israeli policy without also believing Zionist Jews control the entire world and are hell bent on destroying/enslaving us all for some reason like Hollywood supervillains.


Would you accept similar criticism from a bona-fide ex-Zionist, rather than a mere part-Jewish non-entity, I wonder?


If you put your thinking cap on and crank it up to 11, you might just be able to grasp that there is a fundamental difference between asserting Israel is a criminal state and asserting Luciferian Zionist Jews control the planet, start world wars, did 911 and wish to enslave us all despite controlling everything already as part of a Zionist plot so cunning it predates Zionism.

Are you finding yourself able to grasp that or do you need me to walk you through it again?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So could Ian, prole, Dogsmilk say what they think the camps were for?

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For one, they would have been most probably have been, internment camps for dissenters against the *Nazi's of anyone, regardless of race.

Two: for a work camp, for the war effort. Which would suggest keeping the guards and some of the prisoners (who would go along with their captures for favours) comfortable. Itís been suggested that keeping people (prisoners) hungry as to provide a cruel way of earning a reward for work done.

Itís possible that people died of disease because of close living accommodation, poor food etc.

Three: an internment camp for some people to be latter moved to, not to Madagascar but to Palestine.

Four: To make an example of some people who were Jewish (but not of Judah)(as necessary sacrifices for the Zionist cause, hidden from many by the people who work for ď*Zion, of the 33rd degree.Ē) as suggested in *Karl Markís and others (The Jewish question) for the meme we see playing out on this thread and else where.

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ďThe fundamental and overriding racism of *Marx himself helped to create an atmosphere in which Alfred Rosenberg's Zur Protokollen wisen Zionismus could be accepted. The anti-Semitism of the master communist planner and theorist - and Jew - Karl Marx, helped to create the preconditions for the later acceptance of Alfred Rosenberg's many conclusions about Jews in Der Mythus des 20. Jahrhunderts.Ē

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Andrew. wrote:
So could Ian, prole, Dogsmilk say what they think the camps were for?

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For one, they would have been most probably have been, internment camps for dissenters against the *Nazi's of anyone, regardless of race.

Two: for a work camp, for the war effort. Which would suggest keeping the guards and some of the prisoners (who would go along with their captures for favours) comfortable. Itís been suggested that keeping people (prisoners) hungry as to provide a cruel way of earning a reward for work done.

Itís possible that people died of disease because of close living accommodation, poor food etc.

Three: an internment camp for some people to be latter moved to, not to Madagascar but to Palestine.

Four: To make an example of some people who were Jewish (but not of Judah)(as necessary sacrifices for the Zionist cause, hidden from many by the people who work for ď*Zion, of the 33rd degree.Ē) as suggested in *Karl Markís and others (The Jewish question) for the meme we see playing out on this thread and else where.

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Has it ever occurred to you to, y'know, read a book or something?

Which camps? Where? At what stage?

Neither me, Ian nor Prole are your mum. There is a vast available literature about this quite involved topic involving a large number of camps with different aspects and functions over a very wide area.
Try reading it. Or ask The Messiah - he's all-knowing isn't he?

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Has it ever occurred to you to, y'know, read a book or something?

Which camps? Where? At what stage?

Neither me, Ian nor Prole are your mum. There is a vast available literature about this quite involved topic involving a large number of camps with different aspects and functions over a very wide area.


Where did NK say there were, swimming pools, art classes? At those camps Dogsmilk. What is your opinion of the purpose of those camps please?

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Has it ever occurred to you to, y'know, read a book or something?

Which camps? Where? At what stage?

Neither me, Ian nor Prole are your mum. There is a vast available literature about this quite involved topic involving a large number of camps with different aspects and functions over a very wide area.


Where did NK say there were, swimming pools, art classes? At those camps Dogsmilk. What is your opinion of the purpose of those camps please?

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So could Ian, prole, Dogsmilk say what they think the camps were for?
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He slightly amended this version
http://www.codoh.com/incon/incontrip.html

The offending paragraph is also earlier on the thread.

Andrew, have you ever been capable of finding anything out for yourself, or do you always need other people to tell you everything? It didn't even occur to you to google a word the other day. Is this why you like having a messiah figure?

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What is your opinion of the purpose of those camps please Dogsmilk?

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So could Ian, prole, Dogsmilk say what they think the camps were for?

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For one, they would have been most probably have been, internment camps for dissenters against the *Nazi's of anyone, regardless of race.

Two: for a work camp, for the war effort. Which would suggest keeping the guards and some of the prisoners (who would go along with their captures for favours) comfortable. Itís been suggested that keeping people (prisoners) hungry as to provide a cruel way of earning a reward for work done.

Itís possible that people died of disease because of close living accommodation, poor food etc.

Three: an internment camp for some people to be latter moved to, not to Madagascar but to Palestine.

Four: To make an example of some people who were Jewish (but not of Judah)(as necessary sacrifices for the Zionist cause, hidden from many by the people who work for ď*Zion, of the 33rd degree.Ē) as suggested in *Karl Markís and others (The Jewish question) for the meme we see playing out on this thread and else where.

Quote:
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What is your opinion of the purpose of those camps please Dogsmilk?

Quote:
Andrew. wrote:
So could Ian, prole, Dogsmilk say what they think the camps were for?

Quote:
For one, they would have been most probably have been, internment camps for dissenters against the *Nazi's of anyone, regardless of race.

Two: for a work camp, for the war effort. Which would suggest keeping the guards and some of the prisoners (who would go along with their captures for favours) comfortable. Itís been suggested that keeping people (prisoners) hungry as to provide a cruel way of earning a reward for work done.

Itís possible that people died of disease because of close living accommodation, poor food etc.

Three: an internment camp for some people to be latter moved to, not to Madagascar but to Palestine.

Four: To make an example of some people who were Jewish (but not of Judah)(as necessary sacrifices for the Zionist cause, hidden from many by the people who work for ď*Zion, of the 33rd degree.Ē) as suggested in *Karl Markís and others (The Jewish question) for the meme we see playing out on this thread and else where.

Quote:
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sigh

Incarceration
Labour
Extermination

Andrew, the camp system was very large and different camps had different functions and this also depended on different times.
There's no "most probably" about it, as if you weren't such a terminal numpty, you could drag your lazy arse away from posting brain dead rubbish like you just have and go and read the vast amount of material there is out there.
You can't describe the complexities of the camp system in a paragraph.

No offence Andrew, but I find the inanity of your posts just a bit too much to bear. It's like talking to an infant. I'm not sure if you'll get any more replies from me at all.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm specifically asking your opinion Dogsmilk. And the opinion of prole and Ian. Just the main points, as I did when asked.


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Extermination


Of whom and why?


http://www.answers.com/topic/extermination
1. The act of exterminating; total destruction; eradication; excision; as, the extermination of inhabitants or tribes, of error or vice, or of weeds from a field.

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Incarceration
Labour
Extermination


"Two: for a work camp, for the war effort. Which would suggest keeping the guards and some of the prisoners (who would go along with their captures for favours) comfortable. Itís been suggested that keeping people (prisoners) hungry as to provide a cruel way of earning a reward for work done.

Itís possible that people died of disease because of close living accommodation, poor food etc."
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Has it ever occurred to you to, y'know, read a book or something?

Which camps? Where? At what stage?

Neither me, Ian nor Prole are your mum. There is a vast available literature about this quite involved topic involving a large number of camps with different aspects and functions over a very wide area.


Where did NK say there were, swimming pools, art classes? At those camps Dogsmilk. What is your opinion of the purpose of those camps please?


Unf*ckingbelievable

As dogsmilk says try doing a bit of research, like type nick or astro3 or swimming pools into this site's search engine.

Are you seriously saying you haven't actually read what he has written.
How can you be offering us your wisdom on a thread with this title and not be aware of the previous discussions relating to Nick and his infamous paper.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm specifically asking your opinion Dogsmilk. And the opinion of prole and Ian. Just the main points, as I did when asked.


You don't have to Ian, but you have accused NK of "were effectively glorified Butlins"


Quote:
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Extermination


Of whom and why?


http://www.answers.com/topic/extermination
1. The act of exterminating; total destruction; eradication; excision; as, the extermination of inhabitants or tribes, of error or vice, or of weeds from a field.

Dogsmilk wrote:
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Incarceration
Labour
Extermination


"Two: for a work camp, for the war effort. Which would suggest keeping the guards and some of the prisoners (who would go along with their captures for favours) comfortable. Itís been suggested that keeping people (prisoners) hungry as to provide a cruel way of earning a reward for work done.

Itís possible that people died of disease because of close living accommodation, poor food etc."
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[quote="kbo234"][quote="Dogsmilk"]
kbo234 wrote:
Dogsmilk wrote:

If you're going on about blue staining tripe, I shall remind you to pass on my message to Kollerstrom regarding that particular long debunked gibberish. Otherwise it won't be fair if I ever have reason to post anywhere about the mighty researcher chickening out of any kind of debate...again.



Yes, let's hear about the "blur staining tripe" and about the 5000 parts per million of cyanide in the delousing gas chamber walls compared to the 3 parts per million in the human gas chamber walls and the 2 parts per million control )kitchens, washrooms etc.)

For once some substance. I'm all ears.

Well yesterday I posted links that explore these issues in some depth. Regrettably the material is not available in chat show format.

Enjoy.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/blue/
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/not-the-science/

What about the rest of my post? I thought you'd be pleased with all that Cole material.

And what about the pool? Do you agree with Kollerstrom that Auschwitz was some kind of fun park?

Oh - can I ask you a question?

Something has been bugging me for some time. I've asked a bunch of 'revisionists' about it, but alas have yet to get an answer.

Now we know deniers dismiss any and all evidence for the Holocaust while simultaneously expecting people to believe a range of alternative (frequently contradictory)accounts for which there's no evidence whatsoever - that's a given. Denial doesn't also get called negationism for nothing.

So for example, deniers claim the AR camps were transit camps. There's no evidence for this - Jews arrive there, vanish, we know clothes were shipped out and large areas of human remains have been found. We know there is zero record of them turning up anywhere else. But obviously deniers dismiss all this. So for example when an archaeologist mapped the mass graves at Belzec and published his work, he was automatically ten kinds of lying Zionist shill fraud. That goes without saying.

What intrigues me is what a 'revisionist' history book will look like when the Luciferian Jewish menace is conquered. So ok - the AR camps were transit camps. What were they like? So about 3/4 million Jews pass through Treblinka - what does the oral history of all those Jews say about their deportation experience? Out of all those Jews, some of them must have talked about it. What was the routine at these transit camps? What was it like to be a guard there? See they all say it was a death camp. Of course they're all liars, tortured, subjected to mind control rays etc - each and every one. But then how will the 'revisionist' history books describe these camps? There'll be not one single account of the AR transit experience. Even locals saw things like trains going in full and coming out empty, there being a really bad smell etc. Even they can't tell us about the AR transit experience.

What will this history be like that nobody saw? That there's no evidence for?

Can you explain to me how we construct a history based on contradicting everybody involved in that history? Will we just invent what we'd like things to have been like? How will this work?


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This stuff reminds me of nothing more than the 'debunking' of 'controlled demolition' of WTC7. Massive in-your-face evidence of unnatiral collapse and 'highly qualified' scientists (yea, you can trust these guys) start examining the manufacture of the nuts and bolts holding the building together on floor 37.....

.......only 'tiny' amounts of cyanide were required in these chambers, the 5 minutes it might have taken the inmates to die extracted the greater part of the poison etc...


So after saying "for once some substance", you arbitrarily decide you just don't like what you're reading because it contradicts your faith-based position and so that's that. How utterly pitiful.

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Rudolf himself says chemical evidence does not 'prove' the 'deniers' case definitively but rather is very strong evidence that these were not homicidal gas chambers.


Yet Green points out -

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In 1993, "to make a little extra money on the side," [5] Germar Rudolf wrote his "Rudolf Report." He was working on a graduate degree in chemistry at the time, and indeed the heart of the Report is its claims about the chemistry of the gas chambers. At the time of its authorship and in subsequent revisions, Rudolf did nothing to discourage the overemphasis which chemical analysis has enjoyed in the denial movement. In the conclusion to that Report, he summarized as follows:

The mass gassing procedures reported by legally interrogated witnesses, stated in the cited judgement, and described in scientific and literary publications, are, regardless of which building in Auschwitz, irreconcilable with the laws of natural science.


Rudolf backpedalled when he knew what was for a time viewed as the Holy Grail denial was turning out to be just another load of smoke and mirrors. That you ignore this completely shows us how willfully mendacious you are.

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What people say about this issue is not to be trusted in my opinion.


Unless they're a National Socialist Holocaust denier like Rudolf of course, or some senile old puffin you go down the pub with.

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The only evidence of homicidal gas chambers is oral.


Really? If you like we can, say, start going through a selection of documents that are directly consistent with this and/or directly corroborate what witnesses said. Or if you prefer, you can adopt the denier method of inventing arbitrary 'explanations' nobody actually saw and hand-waving all testimony anyway.

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'Witnesses', like the woman who phoned in to Donoghue was clearly lying. The other woman was simply repeating what she'd been told (almost all 'witnesses' fall into this category).


Explain on what basis she was lying.
Witnesses vary from people who directly saw things to people who heard things - and there is a lot of ground here - such as people who saw some things and heard other things.
Quite obviously, historians discriminate according to the nature and quality of testimony.

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SS guards will not be people of the most noble character and might easily be convinced to say what their captors wish to hear.


In the face of it being outlined to you the sheer quantity and range of confessions, you just suddenly decide that literally thousands of people just decided to "say what their captors wish to hear" on the basis they were not of "noble character". I simply cannot believe the level of retardation contained in that statement. It is King Retard of the tribe of retards from retard mountain in the lost continent of Retardonia.
Can you explain how this totally unprecedented phenomenon came to occur? Can you explain why they continued to say "what their captors wished to hear" for sixty years? Or why they did this whether they were executed, imprisoned or set free?
Do you really have no insight into the astonishing stupidity of making a baseless assertion of such Godzilla like proportions?

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Your 'reliable' and 'authoratitive' documents are not mine Dogsmilk. Perhaps we do choose what we want to believe. If this is true. it is no less true for you than it is for me.


It's abundantly obvious you are choosing what you wish to believe. I have never claimed to be any kind of expert on the Holocaust. From what I do know, it is utterly nonsensical to think it didn't happen and Jews weren't gassed.
You can't even be arsed to find out what you're talking about before deciding it didn't happen. You find some stuff on the net and because it fits your conspiracy theories about Jews just decide to believe it.
In the event I personally doubted the Holocaust, I would make damn sure I knew 'official history' inside out before deciding on that conclusion.
Otherwise I'd be a cretin or propagandist wouldn't I?

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I would frankly never trust a word you say. Your unconcern about 9/11 (if that's what it is....and not a determination to defend Israel from any responsibility for this crime) defines you.


Ah yes. The Church of 911. Hallelujah!
It's true I've lost interest in 911, for a number of reasons. Some of them may have something to do with lunatics like you taking over the asylum.
Obviously everybody should make 911 their no.1 priority in life or they're some kind of shill if they're interested in anything else...right?

You make claims about the Holocaust being a religion, while treating your Jew theory version of 911 like a religion. You have a tendency to make childish claims prominent people who aren't/are dismissive of truthers are agents and controlled opposition, apparently determined to subtract as much credibility from truthers as you can. I've been called all kinds of agent - usually "sayanim" by you. I just sit at home thinking "what a loon". I expect I'm not alone in that.
But you're incredibly sloppy. Like you've already pulled up on your cctv claims. Another example might be you saying on your blog about the hijackers not being on the flight manifests - you link to a page with dead links to the actual supposed manifests. Yet the link titles say they're "victims". So why are we expecting to see the hijackers on a victims list when we don't class hijackers as victims? If memory serves (could be wrong), these are the CNN lists which were their own victims compilation, not the actual flight manifests. Again, if memory serves, the actual flight manifests with the hijackers on have been in the public domain for years now., certainly since the Moussaoui trial.
So you claim you're Mr Truther, yet you're clearly not concerned about making yourself look credible.

I feel sorry for people like Prole and Xmasdale who are trying to look at 7/7 and 911 in some kind of rational fashion - they have the enormous drag factor of people like you.
You judge people on their '911 cred'. You're a kind of 911 McCarthy.
Yet if I was I nutty as you, I'd be claiming you're an agent placed to discredit 911 truth what with the way you behave and the stuff you come out with.

And why did you blank my suggstion of a Holocaust truth movement?

Why not? You might say ooh I'd get persecuted - in which case
a/You're too scared to stand up for your beliefs
b/You're nevertheless happy for truthers who reject denial to get tarred with the denial brush by you banging on about it.

So tell me - why not start the HTM -what is your reason?

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I do not want 'The Holocaust' as my national religion.

Full Stop.


I don't want your crackpot Jew theories and asinine 'reds under the bed' garbage you're into as my religion.

If you weren't so monumentally thick/blinded by your religion you might realise there is a fundamental distinction between the Holocaust as a historical event and its subsequent portrayal socially, politically etc.
Hence, Tim Cole can talk about the 'Holocaust myth' but still think deniers are idiots. Ward Churchill can write scathingly about Jewish exclusivity but still think deniers are idiots.
Oh sorry - you need the Holocaust to be a hoax for your faith-based Jew conspiracy worldview and all that other mumbo-jumbo you come out with.

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It is an enslaving lie presenting us with a false image of innocent victimhood that does not spiritually liberate and inspire to a loving sense of universal brother (like the victimhood of Christ) but rather empowers the lowest form of organised criminals and thieves who, rather than ensure such horrors are never repeated, start new wars of aggression under cover of its satanic blessing while using this spiritual curse to blind the eyes and deafen the ears of the Godly into helpless and bewildered inaction.


It's an event in history.
That involved the suffering and death of many, many people. People whose graves you piss on, while calling yourself a Christian.
Not just Jews.
Gypsies died in the exact same gas chambers as Jews - you deny the Pharrajimos as well as the Holocaust.
Tell me kbo - do you deny mass shootings of Jews? Do you deny disease and starvation in the ghettos? Do you deny the gassing of mentally ill/disabled people? You already deny the extermination of Gypsies by definition. Where exactly do you draw your Nazi apologising line?

Tell me why you apparently believe in some ill-defined history nobody saw. This is quite fundamental is it not?

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Sneer away, Dogsmilk. it's all you're good for.


Kbo, sneering is really no more than you deserve.

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It really is something when people who are so keen to hold a sacred a particular suffering are so seemingly indifferent to other equally innocent suufering and so blind to the one being at least a partial cause of the others.


For once you may have a point.
But let's deny the Palestinians suffer. Let's say they've made it all up and Israel is innocent. Every single violent incident is self defence against a people who wish to destroy them.
That's fine isn't it? Nobody should be bothered by that should they? We can just make such things up to fit our beliefs can't we? Like if it's good enough to just decide thousands of Nazis were telling their captors what they wanted to hear (and obviously every Jew lied because that's just what Jews are like) because it's what you'd like to believe, then why not?
So I say Israel has done no wrong. And I can just hand-wave away anything you say to the contrary.
You shouldn't have a problem with that...should you?

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What about we end the hypocritical and unctuous moralising that exudes from the same b******* that happily slaughter innocents in more recent times and even today?


Let he who is without sin...
Get your own house in order kbo - you are a hypocrite and unctuous moraliser - you carp on about 'the truth' when it's obvious you're just seeking to confirm your pre-existing dogma.

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What about we make ending state violence a priority?


Fine by me. Oh sh*t no - let's just spout pig ignorant sh*te about stuff that happened half a century ago instead.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dogsmilk are you a man or a shirtbutton, can you not answer this?


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I'm specifically asking your opinion Dogsmilk. And the opinion of prole and Ian. Just the main points, as I did when asked.


You don't have to Ian, but you have accused NK of "were effectively glorified Butlins"


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Extermination


Of whom and why?


http://www.answers.com/topic/extermination
1. The act of exterminating; total destruction; eradication; excision; as, the extermination of inhabitants or tribes, of error or vice, or of weeds from a field.

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Incarceration
Labour
Extermination


"Two: for a work camp, for the war effort. Which would suggest keeping the guards and some of the prisoners (who would go along with their captures for favours) comfortable. Itís been suggested that keeping people (prisoners) hungry as to provide a cruel way of earning a reward for work done.

Itís possible that people died of disease because of close living accommodation, poor food etc."
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew. wrote:
Dogsmilk are you a man or a shirtbutton, can you not answer this?


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I'm specifically asking your opinion Dogsmilk. And the opinion of prole and Ian. Just the main points, as I did when asked.


You don't have to Ian, but you have accused NK of "were effectively glorified Butlins"


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Extermination


Of whom and why?


http://www.answers.com/topic/extermination
1. The act of exterminating; total destruction; eradication; excision; as, the extermination of inhabitants or tribes, of error or vice, or of weeds from a field.

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Incarceration
Labour
Extermination


"Two: for a work camp, for the war effort. Which would suggest keeping the guards and some of the prisoners (who would go along with their captures for favours) comfortable. Itís been suggested that keeping people (prisoners) hungry as to provide a cruel way of earning a reward for work done.

Itís possible that people died of disease because of close living accommodation, poor food etc."


No offence Andrew, but I find the inanity of your posts just a bit too much to bear. It's like talking to an infant. I'm not sure if you'll get any more replies from me at all.

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OK Dogsmilk, we have yet again seen your lack of integrity of your opinon, so as to frame someone that we cannot know his opinion; has he cannot even defend himself here.
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Dogsmilk wrote:
Feeling that the title of Stupidest Nazi Apologist On The Forum is slipping away, item8 flies up the rankings by posting arguably the worst attempt at Holocaust denial ever (though maybe Kollerstrom pips him slightly).



You don't need to get it in slices. It is available as a full video here.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4138523842550891901#


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some great posts from dogsmilk, wakey and prole on this thread. Thanks

Like you (I strongly suspect) I also despair and tire of the inanity of the arguments put forward by Nick's assorted defenders not to mention the foul stench of anti-jewish bigotry that I sense. I can't quote it but I smell it.

I could write more but can't be arsed. Like I say it's tiring and despairing.

Over and most probably out for some considerable time
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ian neal wrote:
Some great posts from dogsmilk, wakey and prole on this thread. Thanks

Like you (I strongly suspect) I also despair and tire of the inanity of the arguments put forward by Nick's assorted defenders not to mention the foul stench of anti-jewish bigotry that I sense. I can't quote it but I smell it.

I could write more but can't be arsed. Like I say it's tiring and despairing.

Over and most probably out for some considerable time


The thing is Ian you, dogsmilk, wakey and prole. Keep asserting there is no difference between Jewish and Zionism etc. Which makes you racist and very clearly because you keep making exceptions for all Jews which is ridiculous and also because itís a ridiculous stance, it makes you oppressive of those Jews who don't share your ridiculous stance. And where have we seen that in history, the oppression of Jews that would not go along with the defence of Zionism etc? And further youíre falsely accusing people of racism *"anti-jewish bigotry", when it is you who are racist and oppressive. You dont know if I'm Jewish (my body) or not, or perhaps other posters. Which should make no difference if people are or not.

(edit) * If, Jewish is a race of people, then bigotry of that race is racism.

the attitudes, behaviour, or way of thinking of a bigot; prejudice; intolerance
obtuse or narrow-minded intolerance, especially of other races or religions.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bigotry


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