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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now I don't know what Big Lie you refer to


Then ask, before you run off with your nonsence that you do.

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the Zionist cabal fantasy version of world politics requires a support of the massacre of Palestinians. Quoting one Israeli rabbi's rabid statement


At least you admit to this, but how about else where ? (edit) by location prole?

I thought you were an imbecile but I realise now you are a devious imbecile:

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as if not believing the Zionist cabal fantasy version of world politics requires a support of the massacre of Palestinians.


But now you have been caught out. (edit) again. And quote "one Israeli rabbi's rabid statement" How about else where ? By location prole?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And where have we seen that in history, the oppression of Jews that would not go along with the defence of Zionism


Andrew, explain to me how the persecution of Rhine Jews in 1096 had anything to do with a defence of Zionism


"The first Jewish communities of significant size came to England with William the Conqueror in 1066. On the conquest of England, William instituted a feudal system in the country, whereby all estates formally belonged to The Crown; the king then appointed lords over these vast estates, but they were subject to duties and obligations (financial and military) to the king."

"The First Crusade was a military expedition from 1096 to 1099"


That does not answer the question Andrew.

Am I the only one who feels like they've wandered into some kind of lobotomy ward?


Then go read Shakspere and others (And not other peoples interpretation of them). But lets try and keep to the subject.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now I don't know what Big Lie you refer to


Then ask, before you run off with your nonsence that you do.

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the Zionist cabal fantasy version of world politics requires a support of the massacre of Palestinians. Quoting one Israeli rabbi's rabid statement


At least you admit to this, but how about else where ? (edit) by location prole?

I thought you were an imbecile but I realise now you are a devious imbecile:

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as if not believing the Zionist cabal fantasy version of world politics requires a support of the massacre of Palestinians.


But now you have been caught out. (edit) again. And quote "one Israeli rabbi's rabid statement" How about else where ? By location prole?

Just for the record because I can't spare the time to waste on your devious imbecility, I was responding to Themate who wrote (read it slowly and carefully Andrew):
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Short answer: Jenin, Ramallah, Shatila, Sabra, Beirut, Cast Lead, Mavi Marmara, Sharon's claim that Israel owns America, the displacement of millions of Semites to carve a beach head for Zion, Rabbi's strident insistence that non-Jews are here merely to serve Jews, amongst many other deceptions and atrocities.

As for location not sure what you mean by that but certainly not anywhere near to the cuckoo land you inhabit.

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As for location not sure what you mean by that but certainly not anywhere near to the cuckoo land you inhabit.


"And quote "one Israeli rabbi's rabid statement" How about else where ? By location prole?"


Could there be by any chance others like quote "one Israeli rabbi's rabid statement"

Others, more than one even hundreds etc, etc, else where in the world? Like that "one Israeli rabbi's rabid statement"

"Rabbi's strident insistence that non-Jews are here merely to serve Jews" But will oppress and even kill Jews who don't and won't go along with such views.
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One of the sites which promote NK's TOTT and spout the fascist drivel expounded here:

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http://nationalsocialistbritain.blogspot.com/2010/11/fears-rise-of-pre -christmas-al-qaeda.html

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About Me
Good will prevail
Look around you. Even the most blinkered and dis-interested can see that there is something seriously wrong with modern society. Communist inspired 'Democracy' is nothing of the sort, the will of the people matters not one iota to the ruling elite that plan and manipulate world events and situations to further their evil agenda. Conspiracy theories abound, and yet when studied many stand up to investigation and research. Most people today are of the mind that if the 'Media' present a news story as factual, then obviously it is, no question. I have found the total opposite to be the case, and that the controlled media stories are often complete fabrications, or are factually incorrect in many crucial details. The Internet is the last frontier of uncontrolled media...for now....and is the biggest threat to Global Zionists who have controlled the masses for years with their propaganda, always playing the victim. They now know the masses are waking up on a scale like never before. X1V

This sort of drivel:

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One of the sites which promote NK's TOTT and spout the fascist drivel expounded here:


What´s the difference between national socialism and marxism?

The name

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100916193515AAmjX01


He's anti capitalist too, prole ?

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* Gender: Male
* Location: United Kingdom

About Me

Look around you. Even the most blinkered and dis-interested can see that there is something seriously wrong with modern society. Communist inspired 'Democracy' is nothing of the sort, the will of the people matters not one iota to the ruling elite that plan and manipulate world events and situations to further their evil agenda. Conspiracy theories abound, and yet when studied many stand up to investigation and research. Most people today are of the mind that if the 'Media' present a news story as factual, then obviously it is, no question. I have found the total opposite to be the case, and that the controlled media stories are often complete fabrications, or are factually incorrect in many crucial details. The Internet is the last frontier of uncontrolled media...for now....and is the biggest threat to Global Zionists who have controlled the masses for years with their propaganda, always playing the victim. They now know the masses are waking up on a scale like never before. X1V
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* Exposing the liberal and zionist lies
* and making people aware that they are being completely duped by a system that is driven by one thing and one thing only. MONEY



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Did Jews Serve in Hitler's Army?

I learn everyday. But it is not everyday that I am surprised. I could not imagine that Hitler allowed Jews in German army.

I just read a post in a forum that seems to be suggesting that. Could it be true? And if true, what are the implications of that in our understanding of the Holocaust.

Below is the post by a man named Eire from Ireland.

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“The subject of German soldiers of Jewish descent in the Wehrmacht will lead to new perspectives on this portion of 20th century German military history.”
–Helmut Schmidt, Former Chancellor of Germany

The Untold Story of Nazi Racial Laws and Men of Jewish Descent in the German Military

Hitler’s Jewish Army

Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers
“the actual number was much higher than previously thought–perhaps as many as 150,000 men, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals”
-http://www.bryanrigg.com/hitlers_jewish_soldiers.htm

Hitler’s Jewish Army

“Not every victim was a Jew but every Jew was a victim.” –Elie Wiesel speaking of World War Two.

“If there were Jews in (Hitler’s) armed forces...who served knowing what was going on and made no attempt to save (lives), well then that is unacceptable and dishonorable.” –Rabbi Marvin Hier, director of the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.

Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler’s soldiers, including two field marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight lieutenant generals, five major generals), “men commanding up to 100,000 troops.”

In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain and practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.

One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch’s Jewish identity circulated widely in Germany in the 1930s.

In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch’s birth record and when met with protests about having a Jew in the Nazi high command, Goering replied, ``I decide who is a Jew and who is an Aryan.'’

Rigg’s research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time, who was in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.

Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted by a German officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj. Ernst Bloch, whose father was a Jew.

Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police (Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards (kapos).

So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

Sources:

William D. Montalbano, “The Jews in Hitler’s Military,” Los Angeles Times, Dec. 24, 1996.

Tom Tugend, “Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,” Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.

Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.


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Dogsmilk,
Don't pose as some kind of spokesman for truth.

You haven't the slightest interest in it. You are here simply to do what you do.

The 'evidence' you forwarded and CHOOSE TO BELIEVE IN is just like the offerings of people like 'Gravy' regarding 9/11. Dense, detailed, scientific (or quasi-scientific) and entirely unconvincing....because I read those articles and found nothing that explained the ENORMOUS difference between the hygenic and the so-called ‘human gas chambers’. It was the usual high-density, unconvincing rubbish....very useful for people like you or the Demos people who met the 9/11 group last month and poo-pooed assertions about the collapse of building 7 by saying "This has been comprehensively debunked by any number of professional engineers."

Demos are as interested in the truth about 9/11 as you are Dogsmilk. They’ll believe any old sh*te they want to believe.

Well, I'm past genuflecting to academia or to people like you or to enforced taboos when it comes to things that are destroying not only the present but our children's futures. Sorry about that.

You remain the same dissembler you have always been on this forum, however much Ian Neal, Prole and Wakeymedia ‘admire’ your work. This happy band, more than ourselves, think what it wants to think (for whatever reasons)

I (nor others, I believe) do not want to exculpate Nazis. Nazis are not the point.

Nor do we deny the persecution and mass murder of Jews during WW2……

………..just the 'Holocaust' (fiery sacrifice') part of it.

And by the way, Dogsmilk, to which entity exactly were these innocents sacrificed?

If the Holocaust had added to real remorse, understanding, peace and love in the world I WOULD NOT HAVE A SINGLE WORD TO SAY AGAINST IT, even if I thought some part of the legend was not quite right. It’s influence would be benign.

Instead I realise, far too late, that rather than historical fact we are dealing with a full-blown religious phenomenon. One that has somehow become a new and dominant religion of the entire western world.


‘The Holocaust’ has displaced Christianity in every detail of its being.

As a Christian, this makes me take a very hard look at what is going on here.

A NEW SACRIFICE

The sacrifice of Christ is replaced by the ‘fiery sacrifice’ of the Jewish people that is ‘The Holocaust’. .

A NEW MESSIAH

People no longer bow their heads humbly and listen to the holy and saving words of the old Messiah, the Christ, a Messiah who came to save the Jews (who still need ‘saving’ from exactly the same ‘satanic’ leadership, in my opinion). We now bow our heads and listen humbly to the voice of ‘the ones who suffered’, “the Jewish people”, that is the God of Orthodox Judaism.

If ‘The Holocaust’ is our new established religion, ‘The Jewish people’ (in reality the Jewish elite who are all Zionists) is our new Messiah.

A NEW GOD

From a Christian perspective, the old God is ‘The Creator’, The One that affirms, supports and loves all that is, a God that inhabited the body and inspired the teaching of the man Jesus. The new God is the one Christ condemned when he addressed the Pharisees, the prototypical Orthodox Jewish leadership who first began committing the Talmud to paper after 70A.D. Christ said they were “Of Satan” and so it remains. The Orthodox religion says ‘The Jews’ will have no God but their own selves.
This is the very definition of Luciferianism.

A NEW ROME/ MECCA

There is a central focus in the world for this new religion.

It is Auschwitz.
To here we now send our children on pilgrimages. This is the ‘Holy of Holies’, the very centre and source of our new ‘light’.

A NEW PRIESTHOOD

The new priesthood is not, for us, the Rabbis. These enforce their will only on some of their own people. Those that enforce this new religion on us appear to be our very own mass media and governments…….who, of course, are not our governments at all. Top-down control has been so refined and perfected that the orders we now follow at every level in society originate from we-know-not-where.

The orders are coming through government from those persons, that cabal, at the centre of banking/corporate power…….amongst the ‘think-tanks’ that take their orders from these people we would discover our College of Cardinals.

Those that believe in a much higher affirming sustaining creator, a real and ineffable God, behind all things, as I do, also believe in real fallen parts of His creation (in some part we must all be fallen ourselves or there would be no point in being here). We also believe in a real spiritual entity Satan/Lucifer, the corrupter, the deceiver, the one who would usurp God.

A NEW EVIL

‘Nazis’ and ‘Anti-Semites’, the new servants of the new ‘Satan’.

Looking at this new religion and the literally diabolical effect of it on the human race might easily force one to conclude that there is something beyond the human in its diabolical construction.

How could such a thing be created that destroys God in the minds of men, that makes the way safe for the kind of people who carry out false-flag attacks on their own people and start new wars of aggression for profit and control of resources?
What kind of mind could create a phenomenon that inhibits good decent people, Jews and non-Jews alike, from even speaking up in their own interests?

We watch our children being placed into chains in front of our eyes and we do nothing. What can we do? You cannot address issues of money or power without raising the issues of Jewish influence and power……

……and the you are an ANTI-SEMITE.

You are the new ultimate evil.

What kind of diabolical mind, what kind of foul genius could create such a situation.

If you do not believe in Satan/Lucifer, I do…..

…….and I think we should take at their word those who openly reject and oppose the God of Love and embrace a God that is Its complete opposite.

This is a Satanic religion.

The people that ‘The Holocaust’ inhibits us from confronting are Satanists, not necessarily Jews at all…….By intimate ritualised communion with their deity the human satanic power has found a perfect way of USING JEWS TO ACHIEVE THEIR ENDS.

……and the Goy Satanists are as protected as any Jewish ones by this nightmare religion.

Furthermore the simple uncomplicated evidence (not the vast wall of propaganda that looms as large on this forum as anywhere else) indicates very clearly that ‘The Fiery Sacrifice’ did not, in fact occur.

BACK TO CHRIST

Jesus said, “The Truth Shall Set You Free.”

The corollary of this is that ‘Lies Will Enslave You.’

THE TABOO

This protects the biggest lie of all.

One final and obvious piece of evidence that ‘the fiery sacrifice’ is a lie is that, JUST LIKE 9/11, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO QUESTION THIS ISSUE IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN.
ONLY OFFICIAL PROPAGANDA IS ALLOWED.
IN FRANCE AND GERMANY SAYING THESE THINGS GETS YOU SENT TO JAIL.

As with 9/11, the obvious question that anyone on this forum should understand is:

“What do these people have to hide?”

If the truth was with them the arguments would be rehearsed and issues would be blasted in our faces until we all understood and accepted that truth.

But the evil heart of the narrative that is ‘the fiery sacrifice’ IS, I believe, a lie.

And, Dogsmilk, like yourself I cannot prove my case but I know the spiritual is more real than the material and I do not believe that truth could ever be a springboard for such evil as this has given us. It’s energy IS Satanic.

Furthermore only name-calling and intimidation can protect it.

But these are working pretty well so far.

JEWS NEED TO FINALLY RECOGNISE THAT CHRIST, NOT THE PHARISEES, LOVED THEM

The God of Orthodox Judaism is ‘The Jewish people’. It seems we are all expected to accept this new God that is placed so forcefully before us.

‘The Jewish people’ is the proclaimed ‘God’ of Orthodox Judaism. In this religion it is ‘The Jewish people’ who will fulfil themselves by rising to absolute power over the whole world and its Goyim…..but which Jewish people.
The Jewish elite did not hang around to be persecuted in Germany. Those who were allowed to die were ‘lesser brethren’. Today the masses of Jews (the ‘lesser brethren’) buy into the Holocaust religion just like we goyim, only more so, and it is highly likely that these Jews are being set up for a fall by the creators of this unholy religion.

Its creators are Satanists who care no more for ordinary Jews than they care for the rest of us. Their failure to help persecuted Jews in Europe during WW2 (even when offered the opportunity) is evidence of this. Were I a Jew I would start looking very hard indeed at the issues we are discussing on this thread. Some, like Gilad Atzmon, have done and I salute them.

‘The Holocaust’ and Israel itself are primary tools of these Satanists in creating their New World Order.


Ian Neal,
As for “the stench of anti-semitism”….I suspect I care more about the well being of Jews than you do.



Dogsmilk,
The woman who phoned in on the ‘David Cole’ TV programme claimed hysterically to have seen the soap being made out of Jews and the lampshades, “I saw it all”. Even Yad Vashem have called this story false. She may well have suffered somewhere else in Europe and really wants to believe the horror fiction she was spouting but….she was OBVIOUSLY lying.

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Thanks be, another rational post again, kbo234.

Going from the vital to the banal I offer this for consideration of how this thread is developing:-

Being a tabulation of unchecked ad homina from just the last two pages - the pattern becomes clear. Thank you.

various Zion apologists wrote:
I haven't got time to respond to your usual drivel to the extent I'd like...

You continue to confirm my contempt for you not so much for your views which whilst they are largely contemptable you are free to have but you sheer ignorance and laziness.

Muppet.

I have never defended Israeli crimes related to these places and you can't show me where I have, which means yet again you are lying.

without being a neo-Nazi and believing the filthy garbage spewed by yourself Andrew etc.

You really aren't that bright are you? {As if that were the only prerequisite for knowing right from wrong! - Th..}

Like I say really not that bright

...it never occurring to you to find out what the f*ck you're talking about

I thought you were an imbecile but I realise now you are a devious imbecile

sh*tthickcopyandpastecretin wrote

We already know you are incapable of thinking for yourself {who's "we"? Th..}

I can't spare the time to waste on your devious imbecility {oxymoron? Th..}



Strange one-sidedness?

kbo234 wrote:
Furthermore only name-calling and intimidation can protect it.

But these are working pretty well so far.


There, I beg to differ... ;-)

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Instead I realise, far too late, that rather than historical fact we are dealing with a full-blown religious phenomenon. One that has somehow become a new and dominant religion of the entire western world.


The conspiracy is rumbling on but thankfully the Global Warming part of the new religion is virtually dead. As the rest of their scams are unearthed lickspittles like Dogsmilk will find their position as untenable as his equally verbose and obnoxious partner in deceit Chek, who was forced to evacuate in the face of overwhelming evidence that outed him. The false flag attacks which are used as an excuse to require subservience to the new religious leaders via degrading searches are causing a widespread revolt against the new "religious phenomenon". We are in a fight to the death against these disgusting psychopaths who are trying to do to us what they did to Russia for most of the 20th century. If we are to avoid conditions as described so graphically by Solzenitsyn in "The Gulag Archipelago" we have to make a stand and ensure that we beat this filth.

http://www.scragged.com/articles/the-tsa-and-america-s-turning-point

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The TSA and America's Turning Point

Are we a free people or are we not?

By Hobbes | November 24, 2010

The recently-escalated battle between the American people and the TSA is far more important than it first appears. The final outcome of this argument will determine whether we still live in a nation "of the people, by the people, for the people", or whether we have become a soft tyranny where our democratic forms of elections and representatives have been reduced to a meaningless veneer as in the old Soviet Union or Red China.


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Dogsmilk,
Don't pose as some kind of spokesman for truth.

You haven't the slightest interest in it. You are here simply to do what you do.

The 'evidence' you forwarded and CHOOSE TO BELIEVE IN is just like the offerings of people like 'Gravy' regarding 9/11. Dense, detailed, scientific (or quasi-scientific) and entirely unconvincing....because I read those articles and found nothing that explained the ENORMOUS difference between the hygenic and the so-called ‘human gas chambers’. It was the usual high-density, unconvincing rubbish....very useful for people like you or the Demos people who met the 9/11 group last month and poo-pooed assertions about the collapse of building 7 by saying "This has been comprehensively debunked by any number of professional engineers."

Demos are as interested in the truth about 9/11 as you are Dogsmilk. They’ll believe any old sh*te they want to believe.

Well, I'm past genuflecting to academia or to people like you or to enforced taboos when it comes to things that are destroying not only the present but our children's futures. Sorry about that.

You remain the same dissembler you have always been on this forum, however much Ian Neal, Prole and Wakeymedia ‘admire’ your work. This happy band, more than ourselves, think what it wants to think (for whatever reasons)

I (nor others, I believe) do not want to exculpate Nazis. Nazis are not the point.

Nor do we deny the persecution and mass murder of Jews during WW2……

………..just the 'Holocaust' (fiery sacrifice') part of it.

And by the way, Dogsmilk, to which entity exactly were these innocents sacrificed?

If the Holocaust had added to real remorse, understanding, peace and love in the world I WOULD NOT HAVE A SINGLE WORD TO SAY AGAINST IT, even if I thought some part of the legend was not quite right. It’s influence would be benign.

Instead I realise, far too late, that rather than historical fact we are dealing with a full-blown religious phenomenon. One that has somehow become a new and dominant religion of the entire western world.


‘The Holocaust’ has displaced Christianity in every detail of its being.

As a Christian, this makes me take a very hard look at what is going on here.

A NEW SACRIFICE

The sacrifice of Christ is replaced by the ‘fiery sacrifice’ of the Jewish people that is ‘The Holocaust’. .

A NEW MESSIAH

People no longer bow their heads humbly and listen to the holy and saving words of the old Messiah, the Christ, a Messiah who came to save the Jews (who still need ‘saving’ from exactly the same ‘satanic’ leadership, in my opinion). We now bow our heads and listen humbly to the voice of ‘the ones who suffered’, “the Jewish people”, that is the God of Orthodox Judaism.

If ‘The Holocaust’ is our new established religion, ‘The Jewish people’ (in reality the Jewish elite who are all Zionists) is our new Messiah.

A NEW GOD

From a Christian perspective, the old God is ‘The Creator’, The One that affirms, supports and loves all that is, a God that inhabited the body and inspired the teaching of the man Jesus. The new God is the one Christ condemned when he addressed the Pharisees, the prototypical Orthodox Jewish leadership who first began committing the Talmud to paper after 70A.D. Christ said they were “Of Satan” and so it remains. The Orthodox religion says ‘The Jews’ will have no God but their own selves.
This is the very definition of Luciferianism.

A NEW ROME/ MECCA

There is a central focus in the world for this new religion.

It is Auschwitz.
To here we now send our children on pilgrimages. This is the ‘Holy of Holies’, the very centre and source of our new ‘light’.

A NEW PRIESTHOOD

The new priesthood is not, for us, the Rabbis. These enforce their will only on some of their own people. Those that enforce this new religion on us appear to be our very own mass media and governments…….who, of course, are not our governments at all. Top-down control has been so refined and perfected that the orders we now follow at every level in society originate from we-know-not-where.

The orders are coming through government from those persons, that cabal, at the centre of banking/corporate power…….amongst the ‘think-tanks’ that take their orders from these people we would discover our College of Cardinals.

Those that believe in a much higher affirming sustaining creator, a real and ineffable God, behind all things, as I do, also believe in real fallen parts of His creation (in some part we must all be fallen ourselves or there would be no point in being here). We also believe in a real spiritual entity Satan/Lucifer, the corrupter, the deceiver, the one who would usurp God.

A NEW EVIL

‘Nazis’ and ‘Anti-Semites’, the new servants of the new ‘Satan’.

Looking at this new religion and the literally diabolical effect of it on the human race might easily force one to conclude that there is something beyond the human in its diabolical construction.

How could such a thing be created that destroys God in the minds of men, that makes the way safe for the kind of people who carry out false-flag attacks on their own people and start new wars of aggression for profit and control of resources?
What kind of mind could create a phenomenon that inhibits good decent people, Jews and non-Jews alike, from even speaking up in their own interests?

We watch our children being placed into chains in front of our eyes and we do nothing. What can we do? You cannot address issues of money or power without raising the issues of Jewish influence and power……

……and the you are an ANTI-SEMITE.

You are the new ultimate evil.

What kind of diabolical mind, what kind of foul genius could create such a situation.

If you do not believe in Satan/Lucifer, I do…..

…….and I think we should take at their word those who openly reject and oppose the God of Love and embrace a God that is Its complete opposite.

This is a Satanic religion.

The people that ‘The Holocaust’ inhibits us from confronting are Satanists, not necessarily Jews at all…….By intimate ritualised communion with their deity the human satanic power has found a perfect way of USING JEWS TO ACHIEVE THEIR ENDS.

……and the Goy Satanists are as protected as any Jewish ones by this nightmare religion.

Furthermore the simple uncomplicated evidence (not the vast wall of propaganda that looms as large on this forum as anywhere else) indicates very clearly that ‘The Fiery Sacrifice’ did not, in fact occur.

BACK TO CHRIST

Jesus said, “The Truth Shall Set You Free.”

The corollary of this is that ‘Lies Will Enslave You.’

THE TABOO

This protects the biggest lie of all.

One final and obvious piece of evidence that ‘the fiery sacrifice’ is a lie is that, JUST LIKE 9/11, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO QUESTION THIS ISSUE IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN.
ONLY OFFICIAL PROPAGANDA IS ALLOWED.
IN FRANCE AND GERMANY SAYING THESE THINGS GETS YOU SENT TO JAIL.

As with 9/11, the obvious question that anyone on this forum should understand is:

“What do these people have to hide?”

If the truth was with them the arguments would be rehearsed and issues would be blasted in our faces until we all understood and accepted that truth.

But the evil heart of the narrative that is ‘the fiery sacrifice’ IS, I believe, a lie.

And, Dogsmilk, like yourself I cannot prove my case but I know the spiritual is more real than the material and I do not believe that truth could ever be a springboard for such evil as this has given us. It’s energy IS Satanic.

Furthermore only name-calling and intimidation can protect it.

But these are working pretty well so far.

JEWS NEED TO FINALLY RECOGNISE THAT CHRIST, NOT THE PHARISEES, LOVED THEM

The God of Orthodox Judaism is ‘The Jewish people’. It seems we are all expected to accept this new God that is placed so forcefully before us.

‘The Jewish people’ is the proclaimed ‘God’ of Orthodox Judaism. In this religion it is ‘The Jewish people’ who will fulfil themselves by rising to absolute power over the whole world and its Goyim…..but which Jewish people.
The Jewish elite did not hang around to be persecuted in Germany. Those who were allowed to die were ‘lesser brethren’. Today the masses of Jews (the ‘lesser brethren’) buy into the Holocaust religion just like we goyim, only more so, and it is highly likely that these Jews are being set up for a fall by the creators of this unholy religion.

Its creators are Satanists who care no more for ordinary Jews than they care for the rest of us. Their failure to help persecuted Jews in Europe during WW2 (even when offered the opportunity) is evidence of this. Were I a Jew I would start looking very hard indeed at the issues we are discussing on this thread. Some, like Gilad Atzmon, have done and I salute them.

‘The Holocaust’ and Israel itself are primary tools of these Satanists in creating their New World Order.


Ian Neal,
As for “the stench of anti-semitism”….I suspect I care more about the well being of Jews than you do.



Dogsmilk,
The woman who phoned in on the ‘David Cole’ TV programme claimed hysterically to have seen the soap being made out of Jews and the lampshades, “I saw it all”. Even Yad Vashem have called this story false. She may well have suffered somewhere else in Europe and really wants to believe the horror fiction she was spouting but….she was OBVIOUSLY lying.


The gospel according to kbo 234



Brothers and Sisters, let me speak to you about a topic so dear to my heart. And let it be heard by all those who accept the word of Jaysus. Hallelujah brothers and sisters, hallelujah.

I wanna speak to you brothers and sisters about the Jew. The Jew did fake the holohoax. Now you might hear your high falutin' reason and logic from so called historians and scientists and the people who were there, but we know it didn't happen. We got the good ol' National Socialist press, Lord praise 'em, tellin' us it ain't so. And I know a delousing chamber is identical in every single way to a homicidal gas chamber and no “reason” or “facts” can convince me otherwise.
We don't know how them Jews done hoaxed it, but we know Satan and his power. Satan did cast a veil over the eyes of the righteous and made it all fake and did send his imps with the folly of their "logic" and "reason" and "historical methodology" to deceive and confuse the the children of earth.
And the good Lord did speak to the National Socialist defenders of our national culture in all it's Anglo-Saxon goodness and he did tell them of Satan's deeds and of how the goddam reds are polluting our minds with critical theory. And how a careful reading of Adorno reveals he wants YOUR children to be Godless, binge-drinking, drug crazed homosexuals, corrupted by pop music and multiculturalism. Until all children of Jaysus unite for the good of the volk and overthrow the merciless power of the Jew and his cultural degeneracy, then society as we know it is doomed to a living hell of first person shooters invented by Marxists and school children visiting Auschwitz.

Now I ain't no Nazi
True enough, the Nazis fought the menace of the Global Jewish Conspiracy and taught Jews a lesson in knowing their place.
They understood the importance of national culture and the dread menace of multiculturalism
They understood the corruption and degeneracy of unwholesome popular music
They understood the dangers of being soft on commies (who are everywhere)
They understood the dangers of touchy-feely Jewish psychology
The understood the dangers of wishy-washy political correctness telling people they can't say what they damn well like about minority groups
The understood the need for a strong Christian culture, at least insofar as it suited their purposes

I ain't no Nazi, they just had a lot of good points

And remember this, brothers and sisters, and remember it well

If the Holocaust had added to real remorse, understanding, peace and love in the world I WOULD NOT HAVE A SINGLE WORD TO SAY AGAINST IT, even if I thought some part of the legend was not quite right. It’s influence would be benign.


That's right brothers and sisters. Because I don't like what I perceive the Holocaust has come to stand for, then it did not goddam happen and no-one can convince me otherwise. Such is wisdom, oh sweet Jaysus, oh my Lord

Brothers and sisters, the Holocaust is a religion. A religion of Satan. I am hear to spread the word of the new religion, the new Gospel, the new covenant with God. That religion is that Jews are responsible for everything. Jews faked the holohoax. I don't need to know how, where all those Jews went nor even know why I say the things I do. This is about faith, brothers and sisters, faith in the battle against the Jew and his master who is Satan, oh my Lord protect us.
I am no anti-semite.
All I'm saying to all the good Jews is that I care about them more than anyone, ever. And it is with the love and compassion of the lamb of God that I tenderly blame Jews for everything bad happening everywhere in the world because of the machinations of Satanic Jews that control everything. All evil in the world comes from Israel - I am not concerned about places like Africa or Central America because they don't have too many Jews in them. Anything bad that happens there will be because of Satanic Jews anyway.
The real anti-semites are the ones who don't blame Jews for everything as they are allowing Satan to manifest his power over them which he won't be able to do if we point out to them how evil they are.

And Satan's minions prevent us from questioning the holohoax at all. Obviously not in the country I live in, but it makes me feel like a real rebel when I say it. I am not concerned with countries that ban denial of communist crimes or even other genocides as it doesn't fit my religion to claim there must be something to hide as far as that's concerned. Indeed, banning denial of Nazi atrocities can only ever be about Jews and have nothing to do with anyone like Gypsies who I routinely ignore because my faith tells me it is so. It is all about Jews, and so shall it always be. Thus spaketh the Lord, glory to His name.

Should the Lord desire it, I would surely start a Holocaust truth movement to expose this immense evil of such monumental importance. But the Lord spoke to me through a small privet hedge that smoldered a bit and told me I couldn't be bothered and should insist it becomes part of the 911 truth movement instead. All praises be.

I say the Holocaust is a religion. I do not care about “history books” written by people who have no interest in mythologising it. I want to dispense with all false religions and for you all to embrace the true religion. And that is that Satanic Jews control the world and everyone should believe that and not worry about such pointless distractions about how things actually happen in the real world outside my imagination.

I want you now to raise your eyes to heaven and lift your voices in praise

Hallelujah!




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I haven't got time to respond to your usual drivel to the extent I'd like...

You continue to confirm my contempt for you not so much for your views which whilst they are largely contemptable you are free to have but you sheer ignorance and laziness.

Muppet.

I have never defended Israeli crimes related to these places and you can't show me where I have, which means yet again you are lying.

without being a neo-Nazi and believing the filthy garbage spewed by yourself Andrew etc.

You really aren't that bright are you? {As if that were the only prerequisite for knowing right from wrong! - Th..}

Like I say really not that bright

...it never occurring to you to find out what the f*ck you're talking about

I thought you were an imbecile but I realise now you are a devious imbecile

sh*tthickcopyandpastecretin wrote

We already know you are incapable of thinking for yourself {who's we? Th..}

I can't spare the time to waste on your devious imbecility



That's a fantastic summing up of you and your mates. Great stuff.

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Hallelujah! Praise be! I believe I believe ....

Dogsmilk I think that might be getting nicked for the Conspiraloon™ blog!

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We'll keep on fighting - and we'll win!"


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A message from the Theophist™ Conspiratologist™ Thule™ Society for Truth™

And, in the TRUE™ tradition of THE WAY™ of all great SOCIETIES™, we've nicked it all from somewhere else.
http://conspiraloon.blogspot.com/2010/11/message-from-theophist-conspi ratologist.html


somewhere else ( with embedded link to http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=152270#152270)


What sick minds you people really have. It's all like some Joke to you, all this suffering.

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Dogsmilk I think that might be getting nicked for the Conspiraloon™ blog!

edit: It was Nicked in true cut 'n paste stylie

A message from the Theophist™ Conspiratologist™ Thule™ Society for Truth™

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Michael Bentine's Messiah Time!!


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A message from the Theophist™ Conspiratologist™ Thule™ Society for Truth™

And, in the TRUE™ tradition of THE WAY™ of all great SOCIETIES™, we've nicked it all from somewhere else.
http://conspiraloon.blogspot.com/2010/11/message-from-theophist-conspi ratologist.html


somewhere else ( with embedded link to http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=152270#152270)


What sick minds you people really have.

Andrew have you seen the Conspiraloon™ Messiah Tribute song?:

Michael Bentine's Messiah Time!!

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Andrew. wrote:
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A message from the Theophist™ Conspiratologist™ Thule™ Society for Truth™

And, in the TRUE™ tradition of THE WAY™ of all great SOCIETIES™, we've nicked it all from somewhere else.
http://conspiraloon.blogspot.com/2010/11/message-from-theophist-conspi ratologist.html


somewhere else ( with embedded link to http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=152270#152270)


What sick minds you people really have.

Andrew have you seen the Conspiraloon™ Messiah Tribute song?:

Michael Bentine's Messiah Time!!


What a sick mind you prole, really have. It's all like some Joke to you, all this suffering.


(edit) It's really is like some big Joke, to some.

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It's been put up, it's been taken down, but unlike WTC1, 2 and 7 it's back up again...
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Hectoring waffle has become the hallmark of Zion apologists.

And when that doesn't work, out comes the character assassination.

And when that doesn't work, out come the weapons, first economic then hardware.

So blatant; so passé; so very deceitful...

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/pawns_inthegame/pawns_ 16.htm

W.G.Carr wrote:
... Hitler never wavered from his personal opinion that the survival of Germany as a great power depended upon an alliance with the British Empire. In 1936 he instituted proceedings to try to bring about this alliance. He arranged for unofficial conversations to take place between German and British diplomats, and after the meetings failed to produce the alliance he so greatly desired, he said: “No sacrifice would have been too great in order to gain England’s alliance. It would have meant renunciation of our colonies; and importance as a sea power; and refraining from interference with British industry by competition.”[2]

He considered all these German concessions would have been worthwhile if only he had been able to bring about the German-British alliance. His failure to bring about the British Alliance caused him to weaken in his opposition to the totalitarian ideology as advocated by the extreme Nazi War Lords. The failure of the conference convinced Hitler that no moderate policy would ever break the control the international bankers had over British Foreign policy. He reluctantly began to concede that Karl Ritter had been right when he said:

“The power the Jewish financiers hold over Communism must be destroyed, as well as of those who are members of the world revolutionary movement, before peace and economic freedom can be restored to the world.”

The purpose of this book is to record the events in history which provided the ‘Causes’ which produced the ‘Effects’ we experience to-day. We are not concerned with the ‘Rights’ or ‘Wrongs’ of the decisions made by individuals, except to judge for ourselves whether the decisions furthered the Devil’s Plan or were in accordance with the Plan of God. The only value of historical research is to obtain knowledge of how, and why, mistakes were made in the past so we can try to avoid making similar mistakes in the future.

The momentous meeting regarding the possibility of an alliance between Great Britain and Germany took place in January 1936. Lord Londonderry represented the British government and Goering, Herr Ribbentrop, and Hitler, Germany.

An authority on this phase of history informed me that Herr Goering and Herr Von Ribbentrop outlined the history of the World Revolutionary Movement to Lord Londonderry, explaining the detailed research work done by Professor Karl Ritter and others. They reasoned that the only successful way to fight a totalitarian-minded conspiracy was to use Total War. They explained to Lord Londonderry their plan was to attack all Communist-controlled countries; liberate the people, and execute all Communist traitors. They claimed the only way to wipe out Communism was the extermination of the whole Jewish Race.[3] They produced masses of documented evidence which, they claimed, was authentic, to prove Communism was organized, financed, and directed by powerful,wealthy and influential Jews, who also organized, financed and directed secret ambitions to bring about the Messianic Age.[4]

Hitler is said to have promised that he would continue to oppose the extreme totalitarian plans of the Nazi War Lords and confine his activities against Communism to Europe, providing the British government would enter into an alliance with Germany. When Lord Londonderry said he doubted if the British government would take part in a plan to abolish Communism, which called for ‘Genocide,’ Hitler compromised. He said Germany would undertake the task alone provided England would enter into an agreement that the two countries would under no circumstances war against each other for ten years. Hitler argued that the only way Britain, France, and Russia could shake off the unbearable and ruinous burden of ever-increasing national debts was to repudiate them and restore the issuing of money to the government where it originally and rightfully belonged.

Hitler is said to have pointed out that the purpose of his National-Socialist party ... call it Fascism ... was to put an end at once, and all time, to the power and influence the international money-lenders exerted on national and international affairs by reason of the fact that they were forcing every nation that still claimed to be independent, further and further into their debt. He is said to have quoted what Benjamin Disraeli made one of his characters say in his famous book Coningsby, “So you see, dear Coningsby, the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.”[5]

Goering is said to have backed up the Führer by pointing out that history had proved that the wealthy and influential Jews had obtained economic and political control of every country into which they had infiltrated by using illegal methods and corrupt practices.

Herr Von Ribbentrop is reported to have supported Goering’s arguments by reminding Lord Londonderry that as recently as 1927-28 when he was in Canada, the Stevens Royal Commission into the Canadian Customs Service proved that the country was being robbed annually of over ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS by smuggling and other kinds of illegal traffic and trade organized and directed from an International Headquarters. He pointed out that evidence placed before the Royal Commissioner had proved that in order to get away with gangsterism and licentiousness to ‘Fix’ thousands of public servants and hundreds of government officials, even as high as cabinet level.

He pointed out that what had been absolutely proved to exist in Canada was ten times as bad in the United States of America. Ribbentrop reasoned that the only way to clean up the mess was to ‘Get’ the three hundred men at the top who were ‘The Secret Power’ master-minding the negative forces whose various evil influences, and criminal activities, all furthered the Long Range Plan of those who directed the World Revolutionary Movement.[6] ... ... ...


The frantic wafflers here, especially those who profess to be Christians, would do well to check out Mr. Carr's veracity and sources before making further fools of themselves.

item8 wrote:
... ... ...The false flag attacks which are used as an excuse to require subservience to the new religious leaders via degrading searches are causing a widespread revolt against the new "religious phenomenon". We are in a fight to the death against these disgusting psychopaths who are trying to do to us what they did to Russia for most of the 20th century. If we are to avoid conditions as described so graphically by Solzenitsyn in "The Gulag Archipelago" we have to make a stand and ensure that we beat this filth.


The credibility of this website is once again in question as it has become patently obvious that it has no intention of "beating this filth". Perhaps if the agenda-laden had not made such a fog of myth, nineeleven.co.uk would never have been 'divided and ruled' in the first place?

So far we seem to be riding a very simplistic emotive meme:-

Hitler BAD : Rothschild GOOD

Gatekeepers and iconic figures, however good their intentions, invariably go down in flames eventually when established fact catches up with them - or the heat gets 'unmanageable'...

Eg: http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=7016&start=60

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calm down Dogsmilk.

You're starting to look like a lunatic.

You might find that prayer is very helpful.

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Out of sheer bafflement with the neo-Nazis here: How does Hitler's rise to power on the back of the Reichstag Fire, the excuse for the passing of the Enabling Act, and other false-flags (Operation Himmler) fit in with your understanding of both 9/11 and the rise and triumph of fascism?
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In 1958 W.G.Carr wrote:
One may well ask “How long are the people going to stand for such a state of affairs?” Revolution is not the answer. Revolution only plays into the hands of the powers of evil. Only the indignant voice of the masses of all free nations can insist that their elected representatives end the totalitarian plans of the money-lenders before they reach their goal.


Does that answer your semiotically loaded and frankly inaccurate question, Prole?

If not, consider the Enabling Act you cite. Presumably you have cross-referenced it with the US Patriot Act? No doubt, you have ascertained who wrote the latter if not the former?

As one instance, does the name and affiliations of Michael Chertoff not cause you to look at the facts of 9/11 in a larger light than that of the illusory divide of Usury vis-a-vis Fascism? I would respectfully suggest viewing the parallels from a less ideologically bound perspective.

However, it is useful of you to introduce Operation Himmler which can shed light on the processes leading up to the present wars on Iraq, Afghanistan and soon Iran - more usefull still in relation to this thread is to study Himmler's influence amongst the 'Aryan War Lords'...

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Out of sheer bafflement with the neo-Nazis here: How does Hitler's rise to power on the back of the Reichstag Fire, the excuse for the passing of the Enabling Act, and other false-flags (Operation Himmler) fit in with your understanding of both 9/11 and the rise and triumph of fascism?



"Could there be by any chance others like quote "one Israeli rabbi's rabid statement"
Others, more than one even hundreds etc, etc, else where in the world? Like that "one Israeli rabbi's rabid statement"


And you have the cheek prole, to call us neo-Nazis.

Apologists ?


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Michael Chertoff (born November 28, 1953) was the second United States Secretary of Homeland Security under President George W. Bush and co-author of the USA PATRIOT Act.

He previously served as a judge on the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, as a federal prosecutor, and as assistant U.S. Attorney General. He succeeded Tom Ridge as United States Secretary of Homeland Security on February 15, 2005.

Since leaving government service, Chertoff has worked as Senior Of Counsel at the Washington, D.C. law firm of Covington & Burling.[2] He also co-founded the Chertoff Group, a risk management and security consulting company, which employs several senior officials from his time as Secretary of Homeland Security as well as Michael Hayden, a former Director of the National Security Agency and the Central Intelligence Agency.[3]

Early life

Chertoff was born in Elizabeth, New Jersey to Rabbi Gershon Baruch Chertoff (1915–1996), the former leader of the Congregation B'nai Israel in Elizabeth and Talmud scholar, and Livia Chertoff (née Eisen), El Al flight attendant. His paternal grandfather, Rabbi Paul Chertoff (emigrated with his parents from czarist Russia, present day Belarus) was a noted Talmud scholar.[4]

Chertoff went to the Jewish Educational Center in Elizabeth as well as the Pingry School. He later attended Harvard University, where he was a research assistant on John Hart Ely's book Democracy and Distrust, graduating in 1975 and then spending one year at the London School of Economics and Political Science in the United Kingdom. He then graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School in 1978, going on to clerk for appellate judge Murray Gurfein for a year before clerking for United States Supreme Court Justice William Brennan from 1979 to 1980. He worked in private practice with Latham & Watkins from 1980 to 1983 before being hired as a prosecutor by Rudolph Giuliani, then the U.S. attorney for Manhattan, working on Mafia and political corruption-related cases. In the mid 1990s, Chertoff returned to Latham & Watkins for a brief period, founding the firm's office in Newark, New Jersey.
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Prole wrote:
Out of sheer bafflement with the neo-Nazis here: How does Hitler's rise to power on the back of the Reichstag Fire, the excuse for the passing of the Enabling Act, and other false-flags (Operation Himmler) fit in with your understanding of both 9/11 and the rise and triumph of fascism?



"Could there be by any chance others like quote "one Israeli rabbi's rabid statement"
Others, more than one even hundreds etc, etc, else where in the world? Like that "one Israeli rabbi's rabid statement"


And you have the cheek prole, to call us neo-Nazis.

Apologists ?


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Michael Chertoff (born November 28, 1953) was the second United States Secretary of Homeland Security under President George W. Bush and co-author of the USA PATRIOT Act.

He previously served as a judge on the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, as a federal prosecutor, and as assistant U.S. Attorney General. He succeeded Tom Ridge as United States Secretary of Homeland Security on February 15, 2005.

Since leaving government service, Chertoff has worked as Senior Of Counsel at the Washington, D.C. law firm of Covington & Burling.[2] He also co-founded the Chertoff Group, a risk management and security consulting company, which employs several senior officials from his time as Secretary of Homeland Security as well as Michael Hayden, a former Director of the National Security Agency and the Central Intelligence Agency.[3]

Early life

Chertoff was born in Elizabeth, New Jersey to Rabbi Gershon Baruch Chertoff (1915–1996), the former leader of the Congregation B'nai Israel in Elizabeth and Talmud scholar, and Livia Chertoff (née Eisen), El Al flight attendant. His paternal grandfather, Rabbi Paul Chertoff (emigrated with his parents from czarist Russia, present day Belarus) was a noted Talmud scholar.[4]

Chertoff went to the Jewish Educational Center in Elizabeth as well as the Pingry School. He later attended Harvard University, where he was a research assistant on John Hart Ely's book Democracy and Distrust, graduating in 1975 and then spending one year at the London School of Economics and Political Science in the United Kingdom. He then graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School in 1978, going on to clerk for appellate judge Murray Gurfein for a year before clerking for United States Supreme Court Justice William Brennan from 1979 to 1980. He worked in private practice with Latham & Watkins from 1980 to 1983 before being hired as a prosecutor by Rudolph Giuliani, then the U.S. attorney for Manhattan, working on Mafia and political corruption-related cases. In the mid 1990s, Chertoff returned to Latham & Watkins for a brief period, founding the firm's office in Newark, New Jersey.

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Assistant Attorney General Viet Dinh, who authored the Patriot Act, has been called a "political pit bull" but prefers to be called an "attendant of freedom."

Viet Dinh has been called a "political pit bull" and "a foot soldier" for Attorney General John Ashcroft. But the 36-year-old author of the Patriot Act prefers to be called an "attendant of freedom."

In May 2001, the professor of law at Georgetown University was tapped by the Justice Department to work for two years as an assistant attorney general, working primarily on judicial nominations for the department. But three months later the World Trade Center towers collapsed, and Dinh was drafted to work on the USA Patriot Act, a bill that would give the government some of its most controversial surveillance powers. The bill, coupled with the government's subsequent treatment of immigrants and native-born citizens, prompted critics to charge the administration with overthrowing "800 years of democratic tradition."

Ironically, Dinh is an immigrant himself. The youngest of seven children born in Vietnam, he was 7 years old when communists took over the country and imprisoned his father, a city councilman, for "reeducation." Three years later, Dinh's mother escaped with him and five of his siblings to the United States. His father arrived eight years later.

Dinh graduated from Harvard Law School and clerked for Justice Sandra Day O'Connor. He has had a hand in many high-profile issues, including the Whitewater investigation and the impeachment trial of former President Clinton. In 2000, he also wrote a friend-of-the-court brief for the Supreme Court on behalf of Florida voters who favored George W. Bush's win in the contested presidential election.

He once said that he was drawn to study the government because he "had seen government that did not work," and he was drawn to the Republican Party because of his hatred for communism.

Wired News spoke to Dinh about the Patriot Act and its effect on the liberties of American citizens.

Wired News: The Patriot Act was drafted and passed quite hastily in response to the crisis of 9/11. Do we still need it?

Viet Dinh: There is no question that the last 28 months of peace in America, where not another life has been lost on American soil to terrorism, would have been much more difficult without the USA Patriot Act. I do think we still need it. The terrorists are out there trying to reinvent themselves. It behooves us all to think about how we (could) better do our job to close the barn door for the next horse, not just for the last one, and to be proactive about ways to combat terrorism.

WN: An estimated 5,000 people have been subjected to detention since 9/11. Of those, only five -- three noncitizens and two citizens -- were charged with terrorism-related crimes and one was convicted. How do we justify such broad-sweeping legislation that has resulted in very few terrorist-related convictions?

Dinh: I've heard the 5,000 number. The official numbers released from the Department of Justice indicate approximately 500 persons have been charged with immigration violations and have been deported who have been of interest to the 9/11 investigation. Also, approximately 300 individuals have been criminally charged who are of interest to the 9/11 investigation. Of the persons criminally charged, approximately half have either pled guilty or been convicted after trial.

It may well be that a number of citizens were not charged with terrorism-related crimes, but they need not be. Where the department has suspected people of terrorism it will prosecute those persons for other violations of law, rather than wait for a terrorist conspiracy to fully develop and risk the potential that that conspiracy will be missed and thereby sacrificing innocent American lives in the process.

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Dinh is also on the board of directors of News Corporation with Rupert Murdoch.

Now perhaps you'd like to tell us who authored the Reichstag Fire decree (the Reichstag fire being blamed on Communists) and the Enabling Acts.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now perhaps you'd like to tell us who authored the Reichstag Fire decree (the Reichstag fire being blamed on Communists) and the Enabling Acts.


Is that post your apology for Neo Nazism, Nazism, Communism, left vs right, paradigm.

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http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_48
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Preu%C3%9F
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is that post your apology for Neo Nazism, Nazism, Communism, left vs right, paradigm.


Your posts make no sense Andrew.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Andrew. wrote:
Is that post your apology for Neo Nazism, Nazism, Communism, left vs right, paradigm.


Your posts make no sense Andrew.



Likewise, is that post your apology for your Zionist views.

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United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379, adopted on November 10, 1975 by a vote of 72 to 35 (with 32 abstentions), "determine[d] that Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination". The resolution is often referenced in debates of Zionism and racism. The resolution was revoked by Resolution 46/86 on December 16, 1991. In the history of the UN, this is the only resolution that has ever been revoked.



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The Israeli response

In his address to the United Nations General Assembly the same day, 10. November 1975, Israeli Ambassador Chaim Herzog stated:

"I can point with pride to the Arab ministers who have served in my government; to the Arab deputy speaker of my Parliament; to Arab officers and men serving of their own volition in our border and police defense forces, frequently commanding Jewish troops; to the hundreds of thousands of Arabs from all over the Middle East crowding the cities of Israel every year; to the thousands of Arabs from all over the Middle East coming for medical treatment to Israel; to the peaceful coexistence which has developed; to the fact that Arabic is an official language in Israel on a par with Hebrew; to the fact that it is as natural for an Arab to serve in public office in Israel as it is incongruous to think of a Jew serving in any public office in an Arab country, indeed being admitted to many of them. Is that racism? It is not! That... is Zionism."

In his response he also said that the resolution was:

"another manifestation of the bitter anti-Semitic, anti-Jewish hatred which animates Arab society. Who would have believed that in this year, 1975, the malicious falsehoods of the 'Elders of Zion' would be distributed officially by Arab governments? Who would have believed that we would today contemplate an Arab society which teaches the vilest anti-Jewish hate in the kindergartens?... We are being attacked by a society which is motivated by the most extreme form of racism known in the world today... expressed so succinctly in the words of the leader of the PLO, Yassir Arafat, in his opening address at a symposium in Tripoli, Libya: "There will be no presence in the region other than the Arab presence..."

Herzog ended his statement, while holding a copy of the resolution, with these words:

"For us, the Jewish people, this resolution based on hatred, falsehood and arrogance, is devoid of any moral or legal value. For us, the Jewish people, this is no more than a piece of paper and we shall treat it as such."

As he concluded his speech, Herzog tore the resolution in half.


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3379 (XXX). Elimination of all forms of racial discrimination

The General Assembly,

Recalling its resolution 1904 (XVIII) of 20 November 1963, proclaiming the United Nations Declaration on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, and in particular its affirmation that "any doctrine of racial differentiation or superiority is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous" and its expression of alarm at "the manifestations of racial discrimination still in evidence in some areas in the world, some of which are imposed by certain Governments by means of legislative, administrative or other measures",


"any doctrine of racial differentiation or superiority is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous"

Because making an exception for one race is racist. Mr Chaim Herzog and Ian

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United Nations General Assembly Resolution 46/86 passed on December 16, 1991, revoked Resolution 3379 with a vote of 111 to 25, with 13 abstentions.

Israel made revocation of resolution 3379 a condition of its participation in the Madrid Peace Conference, in progress in the last quarter of 1991. Under pressure from the administration of President George H.W. Bush in the United States, the UN passed the resolution. The text of the revocation was simply:

"The general assembly decides to revoke the determination contained in its resolution 3379 (XXX) of 10 November 1975."

This formed resolution 46/86, which is one of the shortest in UN history. During this session, President Bush told the General Assembly:

"...to equate Zionism with the intolerable sin of racism is to twist history and forget the terrible plight of Jews in World War II and indeed throughout history."


President Bush told the General Assembly:

"...to equate Zionism with the intolerable sin of racism is to twist history and forget the terrible plight of Jews in World War II and indeed throughout history."

Mr Bush who is really Mr Scherff (Jewish)

http://proliberty.com/observer//20070405.htm

by author/historian Webster Tarpley

"According to Otto Skorzeny, pictured is the Scherff family and a few friends (circa 1938). Holding “Mother" Scherff’s hand at left is Martin Bormann. In front is Reinhardt Gehlen. In back is Joseph Mengele and to his right is Skorzeny as a young man. At center right (in the German navy uniform) is George H. Scherff, Jr. and his father George H. Scherff, Sr. Bormann became Hitler’s second in command. Reinhardt Gehlen was a chief SS officer and assassin who was smuggled out of Germany under Operation Paperclip. Skorzeny was Hitler's bodyguard and SS spy/assassin who came to the U.S. after the war under Project Paperclip. Skorzeny and GHW Bush were instrumental in merging Nazi (SS) intelligence with the OSI to form the CIA with "Wild Bill" Donovan and Allen Dulles. These guys were also part of CIA mind control experiments such as MK-ULTRA. SS officer and physician Joseph Mengele, the notoriously sadistic “Angel of Death” of Auschwitz, escaped Germany to South America after the war. George H. Scherff, Jr., became the 41st President of the United States as GHW Bush and George H. Scherff, Sr., was Nicola Tesla’s “trusted assistant.” "

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still not making any sense.

I don't hold zionist views which like you I believe to be a racist ideology. The definition of zionist is not "anyone who disagrees with you and thinks you are an incoherent muppet".
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ian neal wrote:
Still not making any sense.

I don't hold zionist views which like you I believe to be a racist ideology. The definition of zionist is not "anyone who disagrees with you and thinks you are an incoherent muppet".


You have been shown to be racist many times and you continue, because you are so arrogant as to admit to it even to yourself, let alone others.

"any doctrine of racial differentiation or superiority is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous"

Because making an exception for one race is racist. Ian



But let us go further then, since you won’t admit that you say all Jews even though it can be quoted of you repeatedly saying so, which shows your racism.

What is your definition of Zionism then Ian?
And how do you explain the Jewish Neo cons/Jewish Marxists in government in banking and all areas of influence, including world war two, as well as Germans or anyone regardless of race. You see Ian; you will never admit the BIG LIE of who was actually included in the big lie that’s still being maintained and what a big part they had too and still do. This includes the suffering of those innocent Jews.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ian neal wrote:
Still not making any sense.

I don't hold zionist views which like you I believe to be a racist ideology. The definition of zionist is not "anyone who disagrees with you and thinks you are an incoherent muppet".


Ian, Andrew seems to believe being anti-racist is racist.
He feels it is only legitimate to highlight Jews if you are accusing them of something.
But then he believes some random bloke from Sheffield is The Messiah and people in government are "Marxists" among other bizarre beliefs.

You would get more sense trying to debate Aristotle with a goldfish.

Though, it has to be said, it appears The Messiah has easily convinced the world of His divinity and they are falling over themselves to discuss His plight...
http://mtrial.org/forum

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dogsmilk wrote:
ian neal wrote:
Still not making any sense.

I don't hold zionist views which like you I believe to be a racist ideology. The definition of zionist is not "anyone who disagrees with you and thinks you are an incoherent muppet".


Ian, Andrew seems to believe being anti-racist is racist.
He feels it is only legitimate to highlight Jews if you are accusing them of something.
But then he believes some random bloke from Sheffield is The Messiah and people in government are "Marxists" among other bizarre beliefs.

You would get more sense trying to debate Aristotle with a goldfish.

Though, it has to be said, it appears The Messiah has easily convinced the world of His divinity and they are falling over themselves to discuss His plight...
http://mtrial.org/forum


"He feels it is only legitimate to highlight Jews"

Where do I say all Jews? Making you a Nazi apologist, where there have been those Jews involved with Nazism. As you won’t admit their involvement and continuing involvement, whatever name you/they want to give to the ideology for the purpose of a plutocracy.

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falling over themselves to discuss His plight...


He does have many thousands of supporters, don’t kid yourself.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dogsmilk wrote:
ian neal wrote:
Still not making any sense.

I don't hold zionist views which like you I believe to be a racist ideology. The definition of zionist is not "anyone who disagrees with you and thinks you are an incoherent muppet".


Ian, Andrew seems to believe being anti-racist is racist.
He feels it is only legitimate to highlight Jews if you are accusing them of something.
But then he believes some random bloke from Sheffield is The Messiah and people in government are "Marxists" among other bizarre beliefs.

You would get more sense trying to debate Aristotle with a goldfish.

Though, it has to be said, it appears The Messiah has easily convinced the world of His divinity and they are falling over themselves to discuss His plight...
http://mtrial.org/forum


"He feels it is only legitimate to highlight Jews"

Where do I say all Jews? Making you a Nazi apologist, where there have been those Jews involved with Nazism. As you won’t admit their involvement and continuing involvement, whatever name you/they want to give to the ideology for the purpose of a plutocracy.


Andrew, did you forget something this morning?


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Is that all you have to say Dogsmilk, for all the suffering that has gone on and continues, including the suffering of Jews. What a sick mind you really have.
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