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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Similarly, considering race....why is it wrong for white people to recognise that they have political interests worth defending also?

Since when have 'white' people been a race? What political interests does a 'white' worker share with a 'white' banker?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:05 pm    Post subject: Waffle beats fact. Reply with quote

What is it about you, Dogsmilk, that makes you immune from the ad hominem rule around here?

Why is it that you consistently criticise posters yet studiously avoid the facts they present?

As for your "sh*tty Carr" slur, that tells us more about you and your agenda than anything else. If you are unable to face up to the fact that Carr is a gateway to much offline research (ie: real paper with real words on them by real researchers holding real positions of 'high authority' in their various fields), that's your problem. The facts remain the same.

What comes over predominantly in your long-winded, largely content-less diatribes over the years appear to me very reminiscent of the way g00gle operates. Ya know, by papering over the cracks with large dollops of wikipedia guff.

Carry on - though it's not at all 'entertaining' watching someone try to reduce one of the worst mass murders in history to a 'p*ss take', it is instructive on how the Big Lie gets perpetuated.

Chutzpah, ennui, hubris - you embody them all.

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I'm glad to have met so many people of so many different races in London but I do not think it is racist for ANY country or any indigenous people to want to preserve its national culture. To want to preserve the character of one's own community is not to hate anybody. I can sympathise with people who feel there is now hardly any such thing as 'Englishness'.


And what's this “national culture”? What's “Englishness”? Is it some sort of vague, fluid concept that mutates over the centuries or is it some fixed, definable thing? If the latter, please define it.
And how do you define “indigenous”? I'm descended from the Normans – my ancestors invaded this country – so am I “indigenous”?

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Many English people feel that they are living in a country in which they can no longer feel at home.


And what's the most pervasive theme you get with this kind of rhetoric? Muslims.

Things that make me feel 'not at home' are things like the dismantling of our public services and it turning into a 'f*ck the poor' state.. You shouldn't have a problem with this as this is anti-socialist so certainly anti-Marxist. Living on the edge of the Asian Muslim part of town doesn't bother me in the slightest.

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How is it 'right-wing' to feel such a thing? Right-left are two sides of a single coin, as genuine a description of the breadth of the political spectrum as Labour/Tory (the Coke and Pepsi versions of bankers whores)


Left and right have descriptive value in identifying the broad parameters of general outlooks. ~It's not good to be dogmatic about them, but people tend to invent words to describe conceptual frameworks.
I've noticed this left/right paradigm stuff tends to come from the right. After all, Alex Jones might not look so sexy if he identified himself as what he is – a dull old paleoconservative who wants the same old capitalism and thinks poor people having free access to a doctor is communism.

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Similarly, considering race....why is it wrong for white people to recognise that they have political interests worth defending also? Kevin McDonald has written extensively on this and he makes a solid case that the destruction of racial and national integrity, goes hand-in-hand with the rise of Jewish power in the USA and elsewhere to the point where we are all now absolutely dominated by Jewish interests...It is fair to say that, via reality rather than desire, we are all Zionists now.


McDonald eh? My but you're racking them up.
Like Prole said, what interests does a poor white worker share with white bankers?
What do I care about people just because they have the same skin pigmentation?
Do you really have more in common with a white British Satanist than an African Christian?

What is “racial integrity”? Is this the same sort of “racial integrity” the Nazis were into or is it different? Please explain.
And what is “national integrity”?

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It baffles me that anyone can even try to deny this. Though the war you fight, Dogsmilk is to do precisely this.


It baffles me why anyone is into race based views of the world.

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I understand that most people feel deeply inhibited from saying such a thing and I also understand that it is the relentless media propaganda and school pilgrimages to Auschwitz that is the cause of this paralysed mindset.


Because people know what it leads to. That's why they visit Auschwitz.
And that wasn't just Jews. Like the Poles weren't reduced to a helot class and had their intelligentsia exterminated.

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It is also a stark and outrageous fact that Israel itself will have ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THIS MULTICULTURALISM FOR ITSELF.


Then shouldn't you be regarding it as a role model?

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Everybody should stand up for themselves, including Jews but the absolutely disastrous situation in the western world today portends unspeakable nightmares for us all. We already have engineered mass murder of citizens by their own government, engineered wars of aggression based on engineered lies and engineered financial collapses creating engineered enslavement.


The economic collapse has, in this country, given the Tories an excuse to implement an ideological dismantling of public spending and public services to prepare the way for the rich to get stinking rich as the economy recovers but the cuts aren't reversed and they give tax cuts benefiting the wealthy instead . If only Marxism and other left ideologies weren't so moribund, they might have a fight on their hands.

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If we heed your hysterical tirades we will proceed into ever-deepening victim hood to a ruling elite that use the victim status of Jews as their most powerful weapon of psycho-spiritual oppression against us. I have nothing against individual Jews and wish it was possible to ignore these issues but the 'Jewish' aspect of our woes cannot be ignored. It just can't. It plays just too big a part in the onslaught against us.


You know, when I'm not on forums like this, I never hear about Jews. Nobody I know cares about Jews, even the part Jewish people I know. Except some Muslims who dislike Jews in the context of Israel/Palestine. I'm the only person I know who's interested in the Holocaust except my elderly father who's a WWII buff and thus mildly interested in it, but more interested in the fighting of the war.

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There have been many genocides in history and quite a few numerically greater than the dreadful Nazi genocide carried out against Jews. Even for Ireland, the Irish population before the famine was 9 million. In the mid 20th century it was 3 million. Quite a lot of people were deliberately starved to death somewhere along the line. What gives the Jewish genocide its peculiar power is the determination of the media to keep this story in our faces (this process only began in about 1970) and the most ghastly horror of the gas chamber death camps, Auschwitz being the Mecca of this new religion, and religion it is.


The Nazi genocide is held as something particular because a civilised European country, noted for its art and culture, ended up wiping people out in a mechanistic fashion. But you can debate the 'uniqueness' of the Holocaust and people do. Like I keep saying, its cultural representation is totally different to its occurrence and people's subsequent attempts to whitewash Nazism. Why you can't seem to get your head round this astonishingly simple concept is really quite beyond me.

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When the Rudolf/Leuchter/Mattogno/Deana/Cole material is put before you you respond with a handful of weak 'academic' articles debunking their work.......and an absolute torrent of name-calling and vile unfounded abuse.


Yet you cannot come up with any rational arguments, you just say ooh it's 'academic' arguments my religion requires me to reject on principle. How utterly pathetic.
You totally ignored the numerous Cole quotes, even him basically saying he realised deniers weren't interested in the truth. You totally ignored he himself saying the pool is irrelevant, yet have not one word to say about what your mate said or the stark fact a * like you goes on about it but can't say why – because you're just reciting the script you've been given.
And Jesus Christ – Leuchter was a massive bumbling, incompetent fool and fraud. He's really best forgotten from your perspective.

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Here http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndcrema.html are 3 short paragraphs from one of Mottagno's analyses of crematoria activity based on maximum capacity and verified deliveries of coke to Auschwitz Birkenau during the specified period.

Hence, the cremation of the 116,800 gassing victims would have required at least 1,464,000 kg of coke, but only a maximum of 251,900 kg was available, which would have resulted in (251,900 ÷ 116,800 =) 2.15 kg of coke per corpse, a quantity that would have been absolutely insufficient to carry out any cremation.

All this points to a plain and simple conclusion: the coke deliveries from March to October 1943 prove indisputably that only the bodies of the inmates who had died of natural causes could be cremated in the crematoria.

Therefore, no mass murders took place in Auschwitz and Birkenau in the time from March to October 1943!

If this is wrong, let it be publicly proved to be wrong in free and open fair debate. there is just too much of this kind of work out there relating to Auschwitz humans gas chambers. We have 40 years of the 'truth' of the matter being decided for us by propagandists like you. It is about time some fair argument took place on the matter.


You can find discussion of it here, some way down the essay -
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/
Like you even bothered to look. You could find other stuff if you weren't bound to a negationist position

Mattogno replied. The reply to his reply is here -
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/response-to-mattogno/

AFAIK Mattogno didn't reply again. He seems to have been losing it a bit recently. He's stuck with arguing with amateurs on the internet. And losing. Zimmerman totally nails it down at the end of his reply.

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Over the years Mattogno has emerged as the top gun of Holocaust denial. His research is far more sophisticated than Robert Faurisson's and method of argumentation and writing ability far superior to Arthur Butz. However, look beneath the veneer and one will see the same bag of tricks employed by all deniers going back to Paul Rassinier -- the godfather of modern Holocaust denial -- and his successors: the absurd conspiracy theories of forgery and evidence manipulation when there are no longer any implausible rationalizations, and the stretching of some evidence and ignoring of other evidence. Mattogno assures us that he has more works on the way, so we can look forward to the familiar pattern. However, in the final analysis, he will be no more successful than in the past.


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....and why should this be such a terrifying idea?


It isn't. It does seem, however, it's a terrifying idea for you to e.g. plausibly explain how we can have a history that nobody saw happening at the time, which it's absolutely imperative you do for denial to even begin to work. For starters. See, it's negationism. You'll happily carp about imaginary 'holes in the official story', while conveniently forgetting you could drive a tank through the non existent denial narrative. The immense and totally obvious double standards of denial are one reason why it's doomed to fail. It's crank history that appeals only to retards and ideologues.

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...to anyone other than to those who have gained and continue to gain so much advantage from the deaths of these innocent Jews.


Whereas you piss on their graves. You are in absolutely no position to criticise people politically exploiting the Holocaust as what you do is worse.

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By the way, photographs of emaciated corpses, though truly horrific and evidence of real evil and unimaginable suffering, are not relevant to the issue in dispute........nor evidence of the hard-heartedness of people who would ask questions about human gas chambers.


The first photo is one of the, if not the most famous Holocaust photographs. Taken in secret by the Polish resistance, it shows open air corpse burnings in the vicinity of Krema IV or V ( can't remember which). After the truly staggering cremation capacity couldn't cope with the workload. Also seen from the air -

http://aerial.rcahms.gov.uk/database/record.php?usi=006-001-003-072-C

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The second is one of a few photos showing the remains found scattered all over the place at Treblinka. If you think they're “emaciated corpses”, I'd have to say they're very emaciated indeed. You can't really get more emaciated than this can you?



The so-called 'Treblinka gold rush' led after the war to even explosives being used to unearth remains on the part of Poles who turned up on the basis of the rumour Jews exterminated there had concealed valuables (swallowed them or whatever I guess) that could be found. This stuff went on for years.

These are robbery diggers caught there.



Your delightful Mr Mattogno interpreted this -

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In the northwestern section of the area, the surface is covered for about 2 hectares by a mixture of ashes and sand. In this mixture, one finds countless human bones, often still covered with tissue remains, which are in a condition of decomposition. During the inspection, which I made with the assistance of an expert in forensic medicine, it was determined that the ashes are without any doubt of human origin (remains of cremated human bones). The examination of human skulls could discover no trace of« wounding. At a distance of some 100 m, there is now an unpleasant odor of burning and decay.


As meaning investigation of Treblinka didn't find any evidence of mass killing. Do you agree?

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/07/polish-investigatio ns-of-treblinka.html

But of course you don't care about how much sheer b*llshit your denier heroes come out with. It's a matter of faith. That's all you need for the religion of negationism.

Hallelujah!

I am getting bored with this. Every time I have these arguments it's always the same - fanatics spouting their internalised dogma who can't even recognise their utter absence of rational methodology. Everyone with a brain knows if history adopted the 'denier method', there would be no such thing as history. That's why it's failed.
You're just going to grow old as some sad, loony old man chasing windmills, gibbering incoherently to anyone foolish enough to listen about how a big chunk of WWII is a mysterious blank filled with whatever you imagine and how Marxists are responsible for computer games. Good luck with that. You may as well cut to the chase and start on the Special Brew right away.

Why no Holocaust truth movement out of respect for truthers who don't want to be associated with Holocaust denial kbo? Arrogance? Laziness? Don't want to look a fool in public? Too scared of being vilified for naked Nazi apologism so selfishly want everyone else vilified with you even if they don't have the same views? What?
CODOH will not accept truther material because it's about the Holocaust. Why should truther websites accept Holocaust denial. You want to talk about denial, go to the carefully controlled environment of CODOH or more open and not censored and posts deleted environment of RODOH. You want to talk about 911, come here. Simple isn't it?

Oh yeah - how come your mate totally fails to mention his denial activities in the bio on the Terror on the Tube website? It's what he's most famous for isn't it? What a big commitment to the truth and standing up for his 'research' he has, eh?
I posted a comment - "awaiting moderation" - so down the memory hole it will go.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Waffle beats fact. Reply with quote

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What is it about you, Dogsmilk, that makes you immune from the ad hominem rule around here?

Why is it that you consistently criticise posters yet studiously avoid the facts they present?

As for your "sh*tty Carr" slur, that tells us more about you and your agenda than anything else. If you are unable to face up to the fact that Carr is a gateway to much offline research (ie: real paper with real words on them by real researchers holding real positions of 'high authority' in their various fields), that's your problem. The facts remain the same.

What comes over predominantly in your long-winded, largely content-less diatribes over the years appear to me very reminiscent of the way g00gle operates. Ya know, by papering over the cracks with large dollops of wikipedia guff.

Carry on - though it's not at all 'entertaining' watching someone try to reduce one of the worst mass murders in history to a 'p*ss take', it is instructive on how the Big Lie gets perpetuated.

Chutzpah, ennui, hubris - you embody them all.


When you have something of substance or meaning to say, please let me know.

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Carr is a gateway to much offline research (ie: real paper with real words on them by real researchers holding real positions of 'high authority' in their various fields).[/i]


Like who?

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Carry on - though it's not at all 'entertaining' watching someone try to reduce one of the worst mass murders in history to a 'p*ss take'


Er, it may have escaped you but I'm the one trying to say it did happen/not trying to somehow blame it on the victims.

Frankly, I don't think you even know what you're saying though. You're starting to compete with Andrew in the 'I make no sense' competition.

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Er, it may have escaped you but I'm the one trying to say it did happen/not trying to somehow blame it on the victims.


No Dogsmilk: you, with others are trying to excuse many Jews who were involved with it (at every level) just the same as others were.


Just the same as many Nazi's wont admit, who they really are, you wont admit their real identity and involvement in it.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...and you still insist upon this absurd "Holocaust Denial" theme, not realising perhaps what you are avoiding? Not realising perhaps how it totally skews any rational debate straight down a rabbit hole into the absurd?

Nobody I know or read of (apart from real nazis trying to save their vile hides) has ever denied that an attempted genocide took place.

As for Carr's sources, they are listed as per normal in such works - why don't you bite the bullet and follow them? After all, this book (Pawns in the Game) has been rescued from oblivion many times, despite blatant attempts to bury it - most recently from the clutches of Yarmulka Inc's 'quiet' takeover of Yamaguchi Inc, and is once again freely available for download...

A novel idea would be to debate specific points from such books - but you wouldn't dare go there, would you...? You are still attempting to isolate 9/11 from history. It won't work.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...and you still insist upon this absurd "Holocaust Denial" theme, not realising perhaps what you are avoiding? Not realising perhaps how it totally skews any rational debate straight down a rabbit hole into the absurd?

Nobody I know or read of (apart from real nazis trying to save their vile hides) has ever denied that an attempted genocide took place.


Read some of the standard Holocaust denial works or spend some time browsing CODOH.
You could even watch that video item8 posted.

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As for Carr's sources, they are listed as per normal in such works - why don't you bite the bullet and follow them? After all, this book (Pawns in the Game) has been rescued from oblivion many times, despite blatant attempts to bury it - most recently from the clutches of Yarmulka Inc's 'quiet' takeover of Yamaguchi Inc, and is once again freely available for download...

A novel idea would be to debate specific points from such books - but you wouldn't dare go there, would you...? You are still attempting to isolate 9/11 from history. It won't work.


I thought his sourcing was terrible. That's after the dreadful and totally unconvincing factoid orientated narrative structure.
I guess we just disagree on his worth.

When I have asked you about specific points earlier in the thread, you have ignored me.

And I am concerned that truthers are associated with Holocaust denial because of a small, vocal minority. I have suggested a Holocaust truth movement to avoid this. If it's an issue that concerns you, get off your lazy arse and make it happen.

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When I have asked you about specific points earlier in the thread, you have ignored me.


You ignore points Dogsmilk and now you have been exposed for what you are. In which the readers can make their own mind up.

Your cause is for the purpose of being a Nazi apologist Dogsmilk

Just the same as many Nazi's wont admit, who they really are, you won’t admit their real identity and involvement in it.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I thought his sourcing was terrible. That's after the dreadful and totally unconvincing factoid orientated narrative structure.
I guess we just disagree on his worth.


Clever but transparent diversion - no "dreadful and totally unconvincing" example to give us? No comment on actual claims made in the book? No verification of the authors background?

'corsnot! For that really would let some serious dot-joining loose, wouldn't it?

Oh, BTW, what's with codoh.org? Must be coincidence, hmm...? Gotta keep that Big Lie running, however many fingers in dykes it takes? Believe me, there will never be enough, however many resources are thrown at obscuring/obliterating the truth...

Disclaimer: Just because I visit any particular site does not mean I subscribe in any way to its view, despite some very sad attempts made recently here to paint a contrary picture...

Also, I firmly believe we learn far more from studying the opposition than cosying away in ones own camp. Much of what we have all learnt (eg: bilderberg, CFR TriLat, Tavistock, Thames) has come from psychopaths congenitally incapable of not boasting of their actions and intentions.

Political Ponerology ring any bells?

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Incidentally, I've never understood the Tavistock thing. I'm not having a go - I sincerely have never got round to finding out where all this Tavistock stuff comes from. I would be genuinely grateful if you could point me to some non-hysterical and plausible material.


Unfortunately you have worked yourself into a bit of a corner by trashing any suggestion for 'alternative reading' offered by those of us you choose to label as idiots and worse {8-/

You only show up when Zionism is under the microscope so you probably missed some insights but you could always start right here:-
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=7958&highlight=tavist ock

If you can get past the Illuminati alarmism, the site pogrom-fest and the typos in that thread, you might just discover why you 'argue' the way you do...but I very much doubt you could tolerate Springmeier's 'findings'...

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That doesn't mean I paste and promote material from them though.


See my last post as to why I do

As for dot-joining, only a very superficial researcher would take your facetious line; the rest of us ascertain the facts before jumping...

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If only Marxism and other left ideologies weren't so moribund, they might have a fight on their hands.

I dunno, the kids are leading the way:


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Dogsmilk wrote:
If only Marxism and other left ideologies weren't so moribund, they might have a fight on their hands.

I dunno, the kids are leading the way:


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Perspectives of Moral Political Economy - Muhammad Rafeeq

http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=15565&postdays=0&post order=asc&start=0

Perspectives of Moral Political Economy - Muhammad Rafeeq
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buAZblIg1aM&feature=player_embedded

What are people going to think prole to your views if there not made clear on Muslims (or Islam) and what you have written in this thread and elsewhere.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet again I have no idea what you are on about.

A link to an extremely long thread on here which I have no intention of reading (nor do I have the time) and a youtube video to a speaker I can find no 'written word' from when I google him.

Followed by a nonsense garbled sentence from you. Why don't you just say what you mean?

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Yet again I have no idea what you are on about.

A link to an extremely long thread on here which I have no intention of reading (nor do I have the time) and a youtube video to a speaker I can find no 'written word' from when I google him.

Followed by a nonsense garbled sentence from you. Why don't you just say what you mean?


Couterfire.org
Perspectives of Moral Political Economy - Muhammad Rafeeq

Without the thread then graciously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buAZblIg1aM&feature=player_embedded

What are people going to think prole to your views if there not made clear on Muslims (or Islam) and what you have written in this thread and elsewhere.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yet again I have no idea what you are on about.

A link to an extremely long thread on here which I have no intention of reading (nor do I have the time) and a youtube video to a speaker I can find no 'written word' from when I google him.

Followed by a nonsense garbled sentence from you. Why don't you just say what you mean?


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Perspectives of Moral Political Economy - Muhammad Rafeeq

Without the thread then graciously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buAZblIg1aM&feature=player_embedded

What are people going to think prole to your views if there not made clear on Muslims (or Islam) and what you have written in this thread and elsewhere.

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All youtube or weirdo sites. No thanks. Has he ever written anything (apart from something on Madoff)?

The school student I linked to is inspiring - he makes far more sense than anything you have ever written Andrew.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can find no 'written word' from when I google him.


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All youtube or weirdo sites. No thanks. Has he ever written anything


The first hit is his blog?

And I was just pointing out what is said by him in the short 22min youtube videos that was filmed by Couterfire.org? The same org that filmed the school student you linked to? As far as I know.

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I can find no 'written word' from when I google him.


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All youtube or weirdo sites. No thanks. Has he ever written anything


The first hit is his blog?

And I was just pointing out what is said by him in the short 22min youtube videos that was filmed by Couterfire.org? The same org that filmed the school student you linked to? As far as I know.

:etc.

Oh that nonsense, didn't spot his name amongst the various authors:

One example: Full Spectrum Dominance: 8 Examples Of How The Government Is Attempting To Take Total Control Of Our Food, Our Health, Our Money | Wake Up From Your Slumber

Fairly typical fare for the posters here.

The student was speaking at the Coalition of Resistance conference:

http://www.coalitionofresistance.org.uk/

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http://www.coalitionofresistance.org.uk/?page_id=2
is a broad united national campaign against cuts and privatisation in our workplaces, community and welfare services, based on general agreement with the Founding Statement *issued by Tony Benn in August 2010.



Mmm, what a way to treat a mere youth with this tripe. Full Aryan ideology approval, fairly typical fare for you too, when many know what is happening to our food.

* http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/04/time-to-organise-r esistance-now
"Signed:
John Rees, Counterfire"

I hope they listen more to people like Muhammad Rafeeq and what he said in that video and etc.
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http://www.coalitionofresistance.org.uk/?page_id=2
is a broad united national campaign against cuts and privatisation in our workplaces, community and welfare services, based on general agreement with the Founding Statement *issued by Tony Benn in August 2010.



Mmm, what a way to treat a mere youth with this tripe. Full Aryan approval, fairly typical fare for you too, when many know what is happening to our food.

* http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/04/time-to-organise-r esistance-now
"Signed:
John Rees, Counterfire"

I hope they listen more to people like Muhammad Rafeeq and what he said in that video and etc.

Aryan? Is everything race with you? Unite & Fight:

Signed:

Tony Benn

Caroline Lucas MP

John McDonnell MP

Jeremy Corbyn MP

Mark Serwotka, general secretary PCS

Bob Crow, general secretary RMT

Jeremy Dear, general secretary NUJ

Michelle Stanistreet, deputy general secretary, NUJ

Frank Cooper, president of the National Pensioners Convention

Dot Gibson, general secretary of the National Pensioners Convention

Ken Loach

John Pilger

John Hendy QC

Mark Steel

Kevin Courtney, deputy general secretary NUT

Cllr Salma Yaqoob

Lee Jasper, joint co-ordinator of Black Activists Rise Against Cuts (Barac)

Zita Holbourne, joint co-ordinator of Barac campaign and PCS national executive

Ashok Kumar, VP education and welfare, LSE student union

Hilary Wainwright, Red Pepper

Francis Beckett, author

David Weaver, chair, 1990 Trust

Viv Ahmun, director Equanomics UK

Paul Mackney, former general secretary NATFHE/UCU

Clare Solomon, president ULU student union

Lindsey German, convenor, Stop the War Coalition (personal capacity)

Andrew Burgin, archivist

John Rees, Counterfire

Romayne Phoenix, Green party

Joseph Healy, secretary Green Left

Fred Leplat, Islington Unison

Jane Shallice

Neil Faulkner, archaeologist and historian

Alf Filer, Socialist Resistance

Chris Nineham

James Meadway, economist

Cherry Sewell, UCU

Alan Thornett, Socialist Resistance

Peter Hallward, professor of modern European philosophy

Matteo Mandarini, Historical Materialism editorial board

John Nicholson, secretary Convention of the Left

Michael Chessum, UCL union education and campaigns officer

Mark Curtis, writer

Nick Broomfield

Sean Rillo Raczka, chair, Birkbeck College student union, and mature students' representative, NUS national executive

Robyn Minogue, UoArts NUS officer

Prince Johnson, NUS president Institute of Education

Roy Bailey, Fuse Records

Doug Nicholls

Granville Williams

Gary Herman (CPBF national council member, in personal capacity)

Louis Hartnoll, president UoArts student union

Sarah Ruiz, former Respect councillor and community activist in Newham

Michael Gavan

Mary Pearson, National Union of Teachers, vice president Birmingham Trades Union Council

Joe Glenholmes, Unison, life member Birmingham Trades Union Council

Baljeet Ghale, NUT past president

Jane Holgate, chair of Hackney Unite and secretary of Hackney TUC

Marshajane Thompson, Labour Representation Committee NC

Richard Kuper

Chris Baugh, PCS assistant general secretary

Trevor Phillips, campaigner

Stathis Kouvelakis, UCU, King's College London

Carole Regan

Bernard Regan

Roger Kline

Hugh Kerr, former MEP

Nina Power, senior lecturer in philosophy Roehampton University

Norman Jemmison, NATFHE past president, NPC

Kitty Fitzgerald, poet and novelist

Iain Banks, author

Arthur Smith, comedian

David Landau

Anne Orwin, actor

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Why what does Aryan mean prole, since we both, have used the term?

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"Aryan? Is everything race with you? Unite & Fight:" (edit) I don't agree with what you have written here.

would you post what "Aryan" means prole?
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Unfortunately you have worked yourself into a bit of a corner by trashing any suggestion for 'alternative reading' offered by those of us you choose to label as idiots and worse {8-/


It depends what you mean by 'alternative reading'

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You only show up when Zionism is under the microscope so you probably missed some insights but you could always start right here:-


One of my interests is Holocaust denial - ironically after first encountering it on this forum. The Holocaust was not about Zionism, though I realise there's all kinds of sh*te on the web making all kinds of wild claims in this area.
Before seeing this thread during an irregular browse, I haven't posted here for months. I'd be amazed if Zionism hasn't been raised multiple times while I haven't been posting.
I am not really interested in discussing Zionism on forums like this. I am not a fan of Israel and share people's general opposition to its actions. But I do not share the fantastical beliefs about the alleged awesome powers of world domination attributed to a state in the Middle East. Hence, because I do not subscribe to their conspiracy narrative, people decide I am a Zionist because they cannot understand the distinction. Whereas IMO these fabulous tales simply muddy the waters of legitimate criticism of Israel, particularly when they start invoking classic Jewish conspiracy themes.

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http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=7958&highlight=tavist ock

If you can get past the Illuminati alarmism, the site pogrom-fest and the typos in that thread, you might just discover why you 'argue' the way you do...but I very much doubt you could tolerate Springmeier's 'findings'...


I, er, won't say exactly what I think.

You acknowledge the "illuminati alarmism" - I'm sure you can agree this is funny -

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AC/DC satanic Rock Band, 11 Leonminster Rd., Morden, Surrey SM4, England


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KISS satanic rock band, 6363 Sunset Blvd., #417, Los Angeles , CA 90028


What I want to know is why these kinds of articles always seem blissfully unaware of the veritable multitude of bands that pitch themselves as Satanic (whether they're being at all serious or not).

I love that 'evil Satanic rock music' stuff - have since the 80s with playing records backwards and all that. .

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See my last post as to why I do


Did you actually say?

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As for dot-joining, only a very superficial researcher would take your facetious line; the rest of us ascertain the facts before jumping...


In my experience, people often like playing with very few dots of dubious dottishness. My attitude is you don't start with the avant garde modern art until you're totally familiar with boring old regular painting.

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If only Marxism and other left ideologies weren't so moribund, they might have a fight on their hands.

I dunno, the kids are leading the way:


Link


Thanks for bringing some inspiration to a Sunday evening.

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Well known this Dogsmilk, not doing a very good job are you.


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For example there is the mythology of the holocaust, where the story is all about extermination per se, and the story is not told of the primary mission of the concentration camps, which was to provide slave labor for war production. And some of the companies using the slave labor were American owned, and were supplying the German war machine. Thus does mythology, though containing truth, succeed in hiding the tracks and the crimes of elite perps, leaving others to carry the whole burden of historical demonization.
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Well known this Dogsmilk, not doing a very good job are you.


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For example there is the mythology of the holocaust, where the story is all about extermination per se, and the story is not told of the primary mission of the concentration camps, which was to provide slave labor for war production. And some of the companies using the slave labor were American owned, and were supplying the German war machine. Thus does mythology, though containing truth, succeed in hiding the tracks and the crimes of elite perps, leaving others to carry the whole burden of historical demonization.


Andrew, here's a tip. Anything that uses the term 'elite perps' is, in all likelihood, not a learned and reliable source of information.
It is also poor netiquette not to source your quotes.

Andrew, are you aware of the simply voluminous amount of written work exploring the dynamics between Nazi extermination policy and the need for slave labour and the tensions between them? No, I thought not.
And everybody knows the vast concentration camp system utilised slave labour. Because many people in that system were not even Jews were they? Why that * thinks the 'story is never told' I don't know. And he doesn't even say what 'American owned companies' he's referring to. What companies? And what camps did they use labour from?
Stop posting totally worthless stuff...please.

Does this forum have an ignore function? If there is, could someone tell me where it is?

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The Holocaust was not about Zionism


So sayeth Dogsmilk, the fount of all expurgated 'knowledge'.

I nearly fell into your trap yesterday as your hectoring style of waffle caused me to withhold what I consider useful and enlightening information. For this I apologise to all readers.

For those genuinely interested in understanding the Bernays/Lippman/Reese/Tavistock mind control process, I would recommend starting with chapter 6 of Dr. John Coleman's 'Diplomacy by Deception', despite his background.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/diplomacy_deception/di plomacy_deception.htm#Table%20Of%20Contents

ps to Dogsmilk - I would strongly recommend you avoid chapter 5 in order for you to keep on clouding this most vital of issues we are discussing on this 'red rag' thread, safe in the 'knowledge' that if you haven't read it, it doesn't exist.

Your approach is reminiscent of Douglas Adam's "BugblatterBeast of Traal"

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... Anything that uses the term 'elite perps' is, in all likelihood, not a learned and reliable source of information.
It is also poor netiquette not to source your quotes.


Ah, hypocrisy too, now? ;-)

As for 'elite perps' (sic), does that mean you entirely discount the works of Greg Palast, Joe Stiglitz, Aaron Russo and the like? Rather confines your perspective, if so... No wonder you get the wrong end of the stick so often!

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Does this forum have an ignore function? If there is, could someone tell me where it is?


If I wasn't so convinced that dirty washing can be most revealing, I would second that request!

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The perps see themselves as the elite.
That doesn't mean they are.

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Dogsmilk and Thermate suspended
Dogsmilk for posting obscene image of a penis
Thermate for pointless questioning

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dogsmilk and Thermate suspended
Dogsmilk for posting obscene image
Thermate for pointless questioning

You are ridiculous Gosling - if you want pointless questioning as a reason then ban Andrew.

As for banning Dogsmilk you really have lost the last smidgeon of credibility - Dogsmilk is one of the few posters on here worth reading - shame once again on your support for neo-Nazis and the platform you provide for their obscene ramblings.

Obscene images (hardly) whereas obscene views are OK with you?

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Prole wrote:
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Dogsmilk and Thermate suspended
Dogsmilk for posting obscene image
Thermate for pointless questioning

You are ridiculous Gosling - if you want pointless questioning as a reason then ban Andrew.

As for banning Dogsmilk you really have lost the last smidgeon of credibility - Dogsmilk is one of the few posters on here worth reading - shame once again on your support for neo-Nazis and the platform you provide for their obscene ramblings.

Obscene images (hardly) whereas obscene views are OK with you?

Gosling not or the first time have I been forced to remind you of your own rules:

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Any discussion of the minutiae of the Holocaust and/or use of the word 'Jew' as an insult and you'll be suspended/banned. Holohoax is a vile, racist and unacceptable term. There was a racist (communist/gypsy/trade unionist/Jewish) holocaust between 1934 and 1944. Anyone who doubts that is a Nazi apologist.

The above is OK for kbo & Andrew because they claim to share your Christian faith? And btw which of the images posted by Dogsmilk did you consider obscene?
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15. No discussion Denying the Holocaust or pushing the Protocols of Zion.

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