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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:35 am    Post subject: Bin Laden 'killed' in Pakistan & swiftly buried at sea Reply with quote

If true, they've killed the 'Patsy'; no chance of a trial, where he would have spilled the beans. Like Lee Harvey Oswald, he had to be silenced.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2011/05/2011522132275789.ht ml

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sad to see the vast majority of Guardian commenters still swallow the Official Conspiracy Theory:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2011/may/02/osama-b in-laden-dead-live?commentpage=2#start-of-comments

Time to get in there with some enlightening comments????

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 8:26 am    Post subject: Re: OBL? Here's a massive clue Reply with quote

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OBL? Here's a massive clue.

This rolling ticker-tape headline was posted on the BBC News site this morning -

"Body of Bin Laden buried at sea, says US government official quoted by Associated Press"

Who knows what Babylon has up its sleeve. One "dead" bogeyman will give the Obama deception a boost. It may presage a "revenge" attack from "Al Qaeda" - it looks like the Oligarchy has just opened itself a whole new box of toys.

It has been said for decades that societies are being "dumbed down". I think it may be working.



The Afghanistan Sea, no doubt! Laughing Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 8:32 am    Post subject: OBL? Here's a massive clue. Reply with quote

OBL? Here's a massive clue.

This rolling ticker-tape headline was posted on the BBC News site this morning -

"Body of Bin Laden buried at sea, says US government official quoted by Associated Press"

Who knows what Babylon has up its sleeve. One "dead" bogeyman will give the Obama deception a boost. It may presage a "revenge" attack from "Al Qaeda". It gives a whole new excuse to demonize and attack Pakistan - it looks like the Oligarchy has just opened itself a whole new box of toys.

It has been said for decades that societies are being "dumbed down". I think it may be working.


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why bury his body at sea? Was he a sailor and did he die at sea or something?
I still think he died of kidney disease in 2001, so this is totall bull for a start.

I agree with you Wakemedia...what have they got up their sleeve?

I am still thinking about those stolen nuclear weapons from Minot.
In view of this consider 'Ex-Rad-the U.S Military's Radiation Wonder Drug':
An anti-radiation drug...only issue to the U.S Military.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/03/16/ex-rad-militarys-radiation-w onder-drug/

I'm afraid I couldn't resist popping back to this forum once I read about OBL. Despite some of our disagreements on various issues, people etc...I value the like-minded input from people in this forum who at least give a s*** about what's going on in the world.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 10:38 am    Post subject: US to step up Pakistan destabilisation Reply with quote

This is an intensification of the US attempt to destablise Pakistan. Pakistan’s president, Zardari, has already held an emergency security meeting. He fears a US assault against his country.

Westerners (and Indians) will begin to openly state that Pakistan is supporting Al Qaida at the same time as pretending to the world that it is fighting it. Bin Laden’s compound was near a major Pakistani military base. No one outside Pakistan is going to believe that this is a coincidence. There will be a propaganda campaign, not openly endorsed by the US government, saying that Pakistan backed 911. Fingers will also be pointed at Saudi Arabia. Relations between the US and Pakistan will worsen. There will be more drone attacks that will kill innocent civilians. Anti-government protests will break out and will be supported by the US and UK. There will also be more Taliban terror attacks on Pakistan, US bases in Pakistan and also against India. Tensions between India and Pakistan will increase.

This will be cover to what is really going on. Most people in Pakistan believe that terror attacks in their country is being conducted by the US. They also believe that Al Qaida had nothing to do with 911. They are not extremists and extremists got nowhere in the 2008 elections.

The Ray Davis affair provided evidence that the US is seeking to destabilize Pakistan. Davis actually killed two Pakistan intelligence agents who were seeking to arrest him. When Davis was caught he was found with information about potential Taliban targets, contacts with Taliban and papers suggesting that he wanted to pass nuclear material to the Taliban. The US kicked up a big fuss to get him out of Pakistan and they succeeded. But the Pakistani response was to call for the removal of most CIA agents out of their country. For years, Pakistan had been establishing closer relations with China. Also, Pakistan had formed closer relations with Saudi Arabia. They had agreed that two Pakistani army brigades would be established in Saudi Arabia. Not because of the stated enemy Iran, but as protection against possible US military intervention. Clearly, Saudi Arabia would normally depend on the US to military support them against Iran and not Pakistan. The Bin Laden affair shows that the US has drawn a line in the sand. They will step up their efforts to break Pakistan into four or five provinces.

BIN LADEN: HEY, HEY GOODBYE
May 2, 2011
Posted by Lawrence Wright
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The fact that bin Laden was found in a compound in a wealthy retirement community populated in large part by former Pakistani military officers raises dire questions about the relationship of the Pakistani army and its intelligence community to radical Islamic terrorists. For the past decade, as America has poured billions into a country where about one in a hundred citizens pays income taxes, the Pakistani military/intelligence complex has gone into the looking-for-bin-Laden business. Now, they are out of business. If it is true that Pakistani intelligence was helpful in locating bin Laden, and kept that matter secret, then we can begin to sort out our fraught relationship with that troubled country on a more equitable, trusting basis. If that turns out not to be the case, then there will be a dreadful reckoning to come.


Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2011/05/bin-laden-hey-h ey-goodbye.html#ixzz1LBq5Z8Xy

CIA ORDERED OUT OF PAKISTAN, http://tinyurl.com/6erdtxp

"CIA SPY" DAVIS WAS GIVING NUCLEAR BOMB MATERIAL TO AL-QAEDA, SAYS REPORT, http://in.news.yahoo.com/cia-spy-davis-giving-nuclear-bomb-material-al -20110219-224833-452.html

FBI SAYS THERE IS A 100% CHANCE OF WMD ATTACK DAYS AFTER SAN DIEGO NUKE STORY, http://theintelhub.com/2011/02/16/fbi-says-there-is-a-100-chance-of-wm d-attack-just-days-after-san-diego-nuke-story/

U.S. IS A TOP VILLAIN IN PAKISTAN’S CONSPIRACY TALK, http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/world/asia/26pstan.html

CHINA-PAKISTAN RELATIONS, http://www.cfr.org/china/china-pakistan-relations/p10070
Council on Foreign Relations
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Despite increased cooperation between the United States and Pakistan since 2001, Islamabad places greater value on its relationship with Beijing than vice versa, say analysts. "Pakistan thinks that both China and the United States are crucial for it," said Haqqani. "If push comes to shove, it would probably choose China--but for this moment, it doesn't look like there has to be a choice."


PAKISTAN ARMY TO RESTORE PEACE IN BAHRAIN: PAKISTAN TO SEND 20,000 TROOPS TO SAUDI ARABIA, TO COOPERATE IN BUILDING SAUDI NUCLEAR DETERRENCE, http://iaoj.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/pakistan-army-to-restore-peace-in -bahrain-pakistan-to-send-20000-troops-to-saudi-arabia-to-cooperate-in -building-saudi-nuclear-deterrence/
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 10:52 am    Post subject: Re: US to step up Pakistan destabilisation Reply with quote

insidejob wrote:
This is an intensification of the US attempt to destablise Pakistan. Pakistan’s president, Zardari, has already held an emergency security meeting. He fears a US assault against his country.

Westerners (and Indians) will begin to openly state that Pakistan is supporting Al Qaida at the same time as pretending to the world that it is fighting it. Bin Laden’s compound was near a major Pakistani military base. No one outside Pakistan is going to believe that this is a coincidence. There will be a propaganda campaign, not openly endorsed by the US government, saying that Pakistan backed 911. Fingers will also be pointed at Saudi Arabia. Relations between the US and Pakistan will worsen. There will be more drone attacks that will kill innocent civilians. Anti-government protests will break out and will be supported by the US and UK. There will also be more Taliban terror attacks on Pakistan, US bases in Pakistan and also against India. Tensions between India and Pakistan will increase.

This will be cover to what is really going on. Most people in Pakistan believe that terror attacks in their country is being conducted by the US. They also believe that Al Qaida had nothing to do with 911. They are not extremists and extremists got nowhere in the 2008 elections.

The Ray Davis affair provided evidence that the US is seeking to destabilize Pakistan. Davis actually killed two Pakistan intelligence agents who were seeking to arrest him. When Davis was caught he was found with information about potential Taliban targets, contacts with Taliban and papers suggesting that he wanted to pass nuclear material to the Taliban. The US kicked up a big fuss to get him out of Pakistan and they succeeded. But the Pakistani response was to call for the removal of most CIA agents out of their country. For years, Pakistan had been establishing closer relations with China. Also, Pakistan had formed closer relations with Saudi Arabia. They had agreed that two Pakistani army brigades would be established in Saudi Arabia. Not because of the stated enemy Iran, but as protection against possible US military intervention. Clearly, Saudi Arabia would normally depend on the US to military support them against Iran and not Pakistan. The Bin Laden affair shows that the US has drawn a line in the sand. They will step up their efforts to break Pakistan into four or five provinces.

BIN LADEN: HEY, HEY GOODBYE
May 2, 2011
Posted by Lawrence Wright
Quote:
The fact that bin Laden was found in a compound in a wealthy retirement community populated in large part by former Pakistani military officers raises dire questions about the relationship of the Pakistani army and its intelligence community to radical Islamic terrorists. For the past decade, as America has poured billions into a country where about one in a hundred citizens pays income taxes, the Pakistani military/intelligence complex has gone into the looking-for-bin-Laden business. Now, they are out of business. If it is true that Pakistani intelligence was helpful in locating bin Laden, and kept that matter secret, then we can begin to sort out our fraught relationship with that troubled country on a more equitable, trusting basis. If that turns out not to be the case, then there will be a dreadful reckoning to come.


Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2011/05/bin-laden-hey-h ey-goodbye.html#ixzz1LBq5Z8Xy

CIA ORDERED OUT OF PAKISTAN, http://tinyurl.com/6erdtxp

"CIA SPY" DAVIS WAS GIVING NUCLEAR BOMB MATERIAL TO AL-QAEDA, SAYS REPORT, http://in.news.yahoo.com/cia-spy-davis-giving-nuclear-bomb-material-al -20110219-224833-452.html

FBI SAYS THERE IS A 100% CHANCE OF WMD ATTACK DAYS AFTER SAN DIEGO NUKE STORY, http://theintelhub.com/2011/02/16/fbi-says-there-is-a-100-chance-of-wm d-attack-just-days-after-san-diego-nuke-story/

U.S. IS A TOP VILLAIN IN PAKISTAN’S CONSPIRACY TALK, http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/world/asia/26pstan.html

CHINA-PAKISTAN RELATIONS, http://www.cfr.org/china/china-pakistan-relations/p10070
Council on Foreign Relations
Quote:
Despite increased cooperation between the United States and Pakistan since 2001, Islamabad places greater value on its relationship with Beijing than vice versa, say analysts. "Pakistan thinks that both China and the United States are crucial for it," said Haqqani. "If push comes to shove, it would probably choose China--but for this moment, it doesn't look like there has to be a choice."


PAKISTAN ARMY TO RESTORE PEACE IN BAHRAIN: PAKISTAN TO SEND 20,000 TROOPS TO SAUDI ARABIA, TO COOPERATE IN BUILDING SAUDI NUCLEAR DETERRENCE, http://iaoj.wordpress.com/2011/04/27/pakistan-army-to-restore-peace-in -bahrain-pakistan-to-send-20000-troops-to-saudi-arabia-to-cooperate-in -building-saudi-nuclear-deterrence/


Jumping the gun a bit here; if the US are going to claim the body was 'buried at sea', few of us will accept that OBL was killed recently. The predominant belief previous to the US announcement of his killing was that OBL died in 2001.
If they continue to say OBL's body was 'buried at sea', then I for one say the whole narrative is b*ll***t. My, the NWO do love destroying 'evidence', don''t they?

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sad to see the vast majority of Guardian commenters still swallow the Official Conspiracy Theory:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2011/may/02/osama-b in-laden-dead-live?commentpage=2#start-of-comments

Time to get in there with some enlightening comments????


Hey, folks, some 500 hits on this so far. How many of you have put comments on the Guardian (or any other) Comment page?

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I apologise for putting 'Fox' on here, but just to re-cap:

'Report: Bin Laden Already Dead' (in 2001!):


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Osama Bin Laden Body Headed for Burial at Sea, Officials Say
May 02, 2011 1:59 AM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/05/osama-bin-laden-body-headed-f or-burial-at-sea-officials-say.html
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ABC News' Jonathan Karl (@jonkarl) reports: Now that bin Laden has been killed and his body has been positively identified, what is to be done with his remains?

U.S. officials tell me the last thing they want is for his burial place to become a terrorist shrine.

To avoid that, an informed source tells me, the intention is the bury his body at sea -- leaving no definitive location for the final resting place of his body.

A senior administration official tells my colleague Jake Tapper this about the body: "We are ensuring it is handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition. It's something we take seriously and therefore it's being handled in an appropriate manner.‬"

Under Islamic tradition, ABC's Zunaira Zaki reports, the body would be washed by Muslim men and buried as soon as possible, usually by the next prayer (Muslims pray five times a day), although there may be delays under certain circumstances (for autopsies, for example). The body is usually buried in a simple white sheet -- whether buried in the ground, or at sea.

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Rules About Burial of the Dead Body

620. * It is obligatory to bury a dead body in the ground, so deep that its smell does not come out and the beasts of prey do not dig it out, and, if there is a danger of such beasts digging it out then the grave should be made solid with bricks, etc.

621. If it is not possible to bury a dead body in the ground, it may be kept in a vault or a coffin, instead.

622. The dead body should be laid in the grave on its right side so that the face remains towards the Qibla.

623. * If a person dies on a ship and if there is no fear of the decay of the dead body and if there is no problem in retaining it for sometime on the ship, it should be kept on it and buried in the ground after reaching the land. Otherwise, after giving Ghusl, Hunut, Kafan and Namaz-e-Mayyit it should be lowered into the sea in a vessel of clay or with a weight tied to its feet. And as far as possible it should not be lowered at a point where it is eaten up immediately by the sea predators.

624. If it is feared that an enemy may dig up the grave and exhume the dead body and amputate its ears or nose or other limbs, it should be lowered into sea, if possible, as stated in the foregoing rule.

625. * The expenses of lowering the dead body into the sea, or making the grave solid on the ground can be deducted from the estate of the deceased, if necessary.

626. * If a non-Muslim woman dies with a dead child, or soulless foetus in her womb, and if the father is a Muslim then the woman should be laid in the grave on her left side with her back towards Qibla, so that the face of the child is towards Qibla.

627. It is not permitted to bury a Muslim in the graveyard of the non-Muslims, nor to bury a non-Muslim in the graveyard of the Muslims.

628. It is also not permissible to bury the dead body of a Muslim at a place which is disrespectful, like places where garbage is thrown.

629. It is not permissible to bury a dead body in a usurped place nor in a place which is dedicated for purposes other than burial (e.g. in a Masjid).

630. * It is not permissible to dig up a grave for the purpose of burying another dead body in it, unless one is sure that the grave is very old and the former body has been totally disintegrated.

631. * Anything which is separated from the dead body (even its hair, nail or tooth) should be buried along with it. And if any part of the body, including hair, nails or teeth are found after the body has been buried, they should be buried at a separate place, as per obligatory precaution. And it is Mustahab that nails and teeth cut off or extracted during lifetime are also buried.

632. If a person dies in a well and it is not possible to take him out, the well should be sealed, and the well should be treated as his grave.

633. If a child dies in its mother's womb and its remaining in the womb is dangerous for the mother, it should be brought out in the easiest possible way. If it becomes inevitable to cut it into pieces there is no objection in doing so. It is, however, better that if the husband of the woman is skilled in surgery the dead body of the child should be taken out by him, and failing that, the job should be performed by a skilled woman. And if that is not available, a skilled surgeon who is the mahram (one with whom marriage cannot be contracted) of the woman should do it. And if even that is not available a skilled man who is not mahram (one with whom marriage can be contracted) should remove the dead child. And if even such a person is not available the dead body can be brought out by any unskilled person.

634. If a woman dies and there is a living child in her womb, it should be brought out in the safest possible way, even if there be no hope for the child's survival. The body of the mother should then be sewn up.

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635. It is Mustahab that the depth of the grave should be approximately equal to the size of an average person and the dead body be buried in the nearest graveyard, except when the graveyard which is situated farther is better due to some reasons, like if pious persons are buried there or people go there in large number for Fateha.

It is also recommended that the coffin is placed on the ground a few yards away from the grave and then taken to the grave by halting three times briefly. It should be placed on the ground every time and then lifted before finally it is lowered into the grave at the 4th time. And if the dead body is of a male, it should be placed on the ground at the 3rd time in such a manner that its head should be towards the lower side of the grave and at the 4th time it should be lowered into the grave from the side of its head. And if the dead body is of a female it should be placed on the ground at the 3rd time towards the Qibla and should be lowered into the grave sidewise and a cloth should be spread over the grave while lowering it. It is also Mustahab that the dead body should be taken out of the coffin and lowered into the grave very gently, and the prescribed supplications should be recited before and during burying the dead body; and after the dead body has been lowered into the niche, the ties of its shroud should be unfastened and its cheek should be placed on earth, and an earthen pillow should be done up under its head and some unbacked bricks or lumps of clay should be placed behind its back so that the dead body may not return flat on its back. Before closing the niche, the person reciting the talqin should hold with his right hand the right shoulder of the dead body and should place his left hand tightly on its left shoulder and take his mouth near its ear and shaking its shoulders should say thrice: Isma' ifham ya .......here the name of the dead person and his father should be called. For example, if the name of the dead person is Muhammad and his father's name 'Ali it should be said thrice: Isma 'ifham ya Muhammad bin 'Ali. And then he should say: Hal anta 'alal 'ahdil lazi farqtana 'alayhi min shahadati an la ilaha illal lahu wahdahu la sharika lah wa anna Muhammadan sallal lahu 'alayhi wa Alihi 'abduhu wa Rasuluhu wa sayyidun nabiyyina wa khatamul mursalina wa anna 'Aliyyan Amirul mu'minina wa sayyidul wasiyyina wa imamu nif tarazallahu ta'tahu 'alal 'alamina wa annal Hasana wal Husayna wa 'Aliyyabnal Husayni wa Muhammadabna 'Aliyyin wa Ja'farabna Muhammadin wa Musabna Ja'farin wa 'Aliyyabna Musa wa Muhammadabna'Aliyyin wa 'Aliyyabna Muhammadin wal Hasanabna 'Aliyyin wal Qa'imal hujjatal Mahdi salawatullahi 'alayhim a'i'mmatul mu'minina wa hujajullahi'alal khalqi ajma'ina wa a'immatuka a'immatu hudan abrar ya ........(here the name of the dead person and his father should be called) and then the following words should be said: Iza atakal malakanil muqarraabani Rasulayni min 'indillahi tabaraka wa ta'ala wa sa'alaka 'an Rabbika wa 'an Nabiyyika wa 'an dinika wa 'an Kitabika wa 'an Qiblatika wa 'an A'immatika fala takhaf wa la tahzan wa'qul fi jawabi hima, Allahu Rabbi wa Muhammadun sallal lahu 'alayhi wa Alihi nabiyyi wal Islamu dini wal Qur'anu kitabi wal Ka'batu Qiblati wa Amirul mu'minina 'Aliyybnu Abi Talib imami wal Hasanubnu 'Aliyyi nil Mujtaba imami wal Husaynubnu 'Aliyyi nish-shahidu bi-Karbala imami wa 'Aliyyun Zaynul 'Abidina imami wa Muhammadu nil Baqiru imami wa Ja'faru nis Sadiqu imami wa Musal Kazimu imami wa 'Aliyyu-nir Riza imami wa Muhammadu nil Jawadu imami wa 'Aliyyu nil Hadi imami wal Hasanul 'askari imami wal Hujjatul muntazar imami ha ula'i salawatullahi 'alayhim ajma'in A'i'mmati wa sadati wa qadati wa shufa-a'i bihim atawalla wa min a'daihim atabarra'u fid dunya wal akhirati thumma i'lam ya ....... here the name of the dead person and his father should be called and thereafter it should be said: Annal laha tabaraka wa ta'ala ni'mar-Rabb wa anna Muhammadan sallal lahu 'alayhi wa Alihi ni'mar Rasul wa anna 'Aliyyabna Abi Talib wa awladahul ma'suminal A'i'mmatal ithna 'asharah ni'mal A'i'mmah wa anna ma ja'a bihi Muhammadun sallal lahu 'alayhi wa Alihi haqqun wa annal mawta haqqun wa suwala munkarin wa nakirin fil qabri haqqun wal ba'tha haqqun wan nushura haqqun wassirata haqqun wal mizana haqqun wa tatayiral kutubi haqqun wa annal jannata haqqun wan-nara haqqun wa annas sa'ata a'tiyatun la rayba fiha wa annallaha yab'athu man fil qubur. Then the following words should be said: Afahimta ya .... (here the name of the dead person should be called) and thereafter the following should be said: Thabbatakallahu bil qawlith thabit wa hadakallahu ila siratim mustaqim 'arrafallahu baynaka wa bayna awliya'ika fi mustaqarrim min rahmatih. Then the following words should be uttered: Alla humma jafil arza 'an jambayhi vas'ad biruhihi ilayka wa laqqihi minka burhana Alla humma 'afwaka 'afwaka.

636. It is recommended that the person who lowers the dead body in the grave should be Pak, bare-headed and bare-footed and he should climb out of the grave from the feet side. Moreover, persons, other than the near relatives of the deceased, should put the dust into the grave with the back side of their hands and recite the following: Inna lillahi wa innailayhi raji'un. If the dead person is a woman, her mahram and in the absence of a mahram her kinsmen should lower her in the grave.

637. It is Mustahab that the grave be square or rectangular in shape and its height equal to four fingers' span. A sign should be fixed on it for the purpose of identification and water should be poured on it, and then those present should place their hands on the grave parting their fingers and thrusting them into earth. Then recite Surah al-Qadr 7 times and pray for the forgiveness of the departed soul and say: Alla humma jafil arza 'an jam bayhi wa as'idilayka ruhahu wa laqqihi minka rizwana wa askin qabrahu min rahmatika ma tughneehi bihi 'an rahmati man siwaka.

638. It is Mustahab that when the persons who attended the funeral have departed, the guardian of the dead person or the person whom the guardian grants permission should recite the prescribed supplications for the dead person.

639. It is Mustahab that after the burial, the bereaved family is consoled, praying for their well being. However, if the condolence is given long after the event, and if it serves to refresh the sorrowful memories, then it should be avoided.

It is Mustahab that food be sent to the members of the family of the deceased for 3 days. It is, however, Makrooh to take meal with them in their homes.

640. It is also Mustahab that a person should observe patience on the death of his near ones, especially on the death of his son, and, whenever the memory of the departed soul crosses his mind, he should say: Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un and should recite the holy Qur'an for the sake of the departed. A man should visit the graves of his parents and pray there for the blessings of Allah for himself and should make the grave solid so that it may not be easily ruined.

641. * As a matter of precaution, one should refrain from scratching one's face or body, or uprooting one's hair to display the grief. However, slapping one's head or face is permitted.

642. * It is not permissible to tear one's clothes on the death of anyone except on the death of one's father and brother, though the recommended precaution is that one should not tear one's clothes on their death also.

643. If a wife mourning the death of a husband scratches her face causing blood to come out, or pulls her hair, she should, on the basis of recommended precaution, set a slave free, or feed ten poor, or provide them dress. And the same applies when a man tears his clothes on the death of his wife or son.

644. * The recommended precaution is that while weeping over the death of any person one's voice should not be very loud.

Namaz-e-Wahshat (Prayers to be offered for the departed soul on the night of burial)

645. It is befitting that on the first night after the burial of a dead person, two Raka'ats of wahshat prayers be offered for it. The method of offering this prayers is as follows:

In the first Raka'at, after reciting Surah al-Hamd, Ayatul Kursi should be recited once and in the second Raka'at, Surah al-Qadr should be recited 10 times after Surah-al-Hamd; and after saying the Salam the following supplication should be recited: Alla humma salli 'ala Muhammadin wa Ali Muhammad wab'ath thawabaha ila qabri ......(here the name of the dead person and his father's name should be mentioned).

646. Wahshat prayers can be offered in the night following the burial of the dead body at any time, but it is better to offer it in the early hours of the night after 'Isha prayers.

647. * If it is proposed to transfer the dead body to some other town or its burial is delayed owing to some reason, the wahshat prayers should be deferred till the first night of its burial.

Exhumation

648. It is haraam to open the grave of a Muslim even if it belongs to a child or an insane person. However, there is no objection in doing so if the dead body has decayed and turned into dust.

649. * Digging up or destroying the graves of the descendants of Imams, the martyrs, the Ulama and the pious persons is Haraam, even if they are very old, because it amounts to desecration.

650. * Digging up the grave is allowed in the following cases:

When the dead body has been buried in an usurped land and the owner of the land is not willing to let it remain there.
When the Kafan of the dead body or any other thing buried with it had been usurped and the owner of the thing in question is not willing to let it remain in the grave. Similarly, if anything belonging to the heirs has been buried along with the deceased and the heirs are not willing to let it remain in the grave. However, if the dead person had made a will that a certain supplication or the holy Qur'an or a ring be buried along with his dead body, and if that will is valid, then the grave cannot be opened up to bring those articles out. There are certain situations when the exhuming is not permitted even if the land, the Kafan or the articles buried with the corpse are Ghasbi. But there is no room for details here.
When opening the grave does not amount to disrespect of the dead person, and it transpires that he was buried without Ghusl or Kafan, or the Ghusl was void, or he was not given Kafan according to religious rules, or was not laid in the grave facing the Qibla.
When it is necessary to inspect the body of the dead person to establish a right which is more important than exhumation.
When the dead body of a Muslim has been buried at a place which is against sanctity, like, when it has been buried in the graveyard of non-Muslim or at a place of garbage.
When the grave is opened up for a legal purpose which is more important than exhumation. For example, when it is proposed to take out a living child from the womb of a buried woman.
When it is feared that a wild beast would tear up the corpse or it will be carried away by flood or exhumed by the enemy.
When the deceased has willed that his body be transferred to sacred places before burial, and if it was intentionally or forgetfully buried elsewhere, then the body can be exhumed, provided that doing so does not result in any disrespect to the deceased.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are things going that bad they need to play their trump card lol

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THIS is highly coincidental. Pay no attention to the imminent false flag. It's just another "terrorist".


BBC ON THIS DAY | 1 | 1945: Germany announces Hitler is dead
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The German Fuhrer is killed in the Reich Chancery of Berlin fighting the Soviets, according to German radio.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 11:51 am    Post subject: OBL or not OBL? unanswered questions remain Reply with quote

As they have buried his body in the sea, there is no independent confirmation of identity. There had been reports in pakistani press, of OBL's death and funeral in 2001 - correct me if im wrong. If in 2001 that was not OBL then who was it and why was there a claim that it was him?
This comes at a convenient time for the US MIC, when approaching the 10th anniversary of 9/11. It will be used as a propaganda tool and as a way to attempt to silence any one who questions the official conspiracy theory as being 'unpatriotic' etc
The speeches given by Obama shortly after the killing only mentioned the twin towers and [b]no mention was given regarding building 7.[/b] No surprise there. Obama claims it brings closure to the families of 9/11 but it most certainly does not when the 9/11 family steering group and many first responders are calling for a reinvestigation into 9/11, strengthened by T.Kean and L. Hamilton, co chairs of 9/11 commission writing int their book 'without precedent' how the 9/11 commission was not told the truth (by norad, faa, bush admin) and the ACLU requested information via Freedom of information act, in march 2010, the subsequent documents released showed the Bush admin was deliberately obstructing the 9/11 commission in doing a proper investigation.
One wonders if it was relatively easy for the US to track OBL down now, then why they didnt do so before under the Bush admin? (re: past accounts of OBL seeming to slip away all too easily - tora bora)
The 9/11 truth movement must send a clear message to the PTB that the alleged death of OBL will not stop us from asking the challenging questions that the mainstream news media fail to do and should be doing.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 11:55 am    Post subject: Oh, here we go. Who's surprised? Reply with quote

Oh, here we go. Who's surprised? . . . (and look at the "Breaking News" tab above the story - apparently "Obama" is dead too?! Whatever next? Wink )


The possibilities and excuses for a new False-Flag just vastly increased.


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This image has been around months, so doubt they're using it.
but anyway:

Make this viral guys! UNDENIABLE PROOF Osama image FAKED!!


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Guardian runs with it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-photo-fake

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good stuff, D_D!

Just as I thought, when they started saying OBL 'buried at sea'!!

And viralising it as of now.

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SARKOZY EST MORT ^^


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riot at Penn State to celebrate America's victory over Osama!


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Video of Bin Laden celebrations at White House, Times Sq, Ground Zero


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 3:14 pm    Post subject: More on burial at sea: Reply with quote

Here are some reports with details of Osama bin Laden's burial at sea:

Associated Press:
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A U.S. official says Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden has been buried at sea. After Bin Laden was killed in a raid by U.S. forces in Pakistan, senior administration officials said the body would be handled according to Islamic practice and tradition. That practice calls for the body to be buried within 24 hours, the official said. Finding a country willing to accept the remains of the world's most wanted terrorist would have been difficult, the official said. So the U.S. decided to bury him at sea.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-naw-bin-laden-buried -20110501,0,7069834.story

New York Times:
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It was 3:50 Eastern time on Sunday afternoon when President Obama received the news that Bin Laden had tentatively been identified, most likely after a series of DNA tests. The Qaeda leader’s body was flown to Afghanistan, the country where he made his fame fighting and killing Soviet troops during the 1980s. From there, American officials said, the body was buried at sea.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/world/asia/02reconstruct-capture-osa ma-bin-laden.html

CBS News:
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Sources confirmed to CBS News national security correspondent David Martin that his body was released into the sea from a U.S. Navy vessel on Monday, likely into the Indian Ocean. Bin Laden was a Saudi national, but officials tell CBS News that the Kingdom was unwilling to have his remains repatriated.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/02/501364/main20058795.shtml

Politico:
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The sick chopper turned out to be a tiny wrinkle in an astounding military and intelligence triumph. Bin Laden was shot in the face by the SEALs during a firefight after resisting capture. He was buried at sea less than 12 hours later. He was 54.
... U.S. forces took photographs of the body, and officials used facial-recognition technology to compare them with known pictures of bin Laden. It was him.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54093.html

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.menwithfoilhats.com/2011/05/nuclear-hell-will-be-unleashed- on-infidels-if-bin-laden-killed-said-wikileaks-cable/

Nuclear Hell Will Be Unleashed on Infidels if Bin Laden Killed said Wikileaks Cable
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orwell will be spinning in his grave.

Edward Bernays will be partying in his.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disco_Destroyer wrote:
This image has been around months, so doubt they're using it.
but anyway:

Make this viral guys! UNDENIABLE PROOF Osama image FAKED!!


Link


Guardian runs with it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-photo-fake


Get this thing copied! Before, I was able to go to the link and get the video; now, I get this:

Make this viral guys! UNDENIABLE PROOF Osama image FAKED!!
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, having signed in, I got the video. But hunting around the internet, I can't find any media using the picture! Have they pulled it, because their trick was discovered?
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, having signed in, I got the video. But hunting around the internet, I can't find any media using the picture! Have they pulled it, because their trick was discovered?


But I did find this, which seems to have the MSM back-peddaling frantically in 'damage limitation' mode:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNVKQiI6Fe0

Is the guy being interviewed suggesting the US has photoshopped the picture???

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good day to bury bad news....


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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There is also this from the MSM, with *Benazir Bhutto confirming "state sponsored terrorism" and also a statement about the murder of Bin Laden ?


Benazir Bhutto's assassination.
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8 December 2007, three unidentified gunmen stormed Bhutto's PPP office in the southern western province of Baluchistan. Three of Bhutto's supporters were killed."

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On 2 November 2007, Bhutto participated in an interview with David Frost on Al Jazeera where she stated Osama Bin Laden had been murdered by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, who is also one of the men convicted of kidnapping and killing U.S. journalist Daniel Pearl. Frost never asked a follow up question regarding the claim that Bin Laden was dead.[80] Her interview could later be viewed on BBC's website, although it was initially distorted by the BBC as her claim about Bin Laden's death was taken out. But, once people discovered this and started posting evidence on YouTube, the BBC replaced its version with the version that was originally aired on Al Jazeera.[81]
On 24 November 2007, Bhutto filed her nomination papers for January's Parliamentary elections; two days later, she filed papers in the Larkana constituency for two regular seats. She did so as former Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, following seven years of exile in Saudi Arabia, made his much-contested return to Pakistan and bid for candidacy.[82]
When sworn in again on 30 November 2007, this time as a civilian president after relinquishing his post as military chief, Musharraf announced his plan to lift the Pakistan's state of emergency rule on December 16. Bhutto welcomed the announcement and launched a manifesto outlining her party's domestic issues. Bhutto told journalists in Islamabad that her party, the PPP, would focus on "the five E's": employment, education, energy, environment, equality.[83][84]
On 4 December 2007, Bhutto met with Nawaz Sharif to publicize their demand that Musharraf fulfill his promise to lift the state of emergency before January's parliamentary elections, threatening to boycott the vote if he failed to comply. They promised to assemble a committee that would present to Musharraf the list of demands upon which their participation in the election was contingent.[85][86]
On 8 December 2007, three unidentified gunmen stormed Bhutto's PPP office in the southern western province of Baluchistan. Three of Bhutto's supporters were killed.[87]
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are back-pedalling frantically now those pics are going viral on the net; someone commented that newspapers admit those pics are from 3 years ago (I'll ask poster which papers):

http://www.emirates247.com/news/white-house-undecided-on-bin-laden-pho tos-2011-05-03-1.388291

So now we may not get an 'official' picture at all (as though any papers would have printed any 'dead' pics without getting them from Govt. sources).

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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same pic:
http://bulawayo24.com/index-id-news-sc-international-byo-3286-article- Unconfirmed+photos+of+Osama+bin+Laden's+dead+body.html

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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here we have it! Guardian admits photo fake - no wonder US back-pedalling on showing photo!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-photo-fake

PS I did put the 'fake' video on their 'Comment' page yesterday.

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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing that a lot of folks in the Alt.Media seem to be missing about this is that "wikileaks" set up this story last week...

Remember this dated ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/25/guantanamo-files-al-qaida- assassin-worked-for-mi6

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Guantánamo Bay files: Al-Qaida assassin 'worked for MI6'

• Leaked Guantánamo papers link UK to Algerian militant
• At least 123 prisoners incriminated by one informer


It would seem ridiculous in the first place to suggest anything coming out of Gitmo is reliable information because there is little doubt that it was obtained through torture.

Whilst it may be helpful to the cause of truth to point out how an "Al Qaida" operative like so many are trained, funded and are working for western intel and are used by the west as scapegoats and useful idiots, the real story was mostly missed by many.

Also listed in the "wikileaks" documents in the article above is this in the form of a link...(within the article above)

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A further series of reports based on the files reveal:

• New light on how Osama bin Laden escaped from Tora Bora as American and British special forces closed in on his mountain refuge in December 2001, including intelligence claiming that a local Pakistani warlord provided fighters to guide him to safety in the north-east of Afghanistan..


Quote:

The Obama administration on Monday condemned the release of documents which it claimed had been "obtained illegally by WikiLeaks".


By clicking on the link in the article above you are taken to this...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/26/guantanamo-files-osama-bin -laden

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Guantánamo Bay files rewrite the story of Osama bin Laden's Tora Bora escape

Several documents claim al-Qaida leader evaded US offensive by heading north, rather than into Pakistan as widely thought


That was April 26th 2011.

We are supposed to believe that this two incidents are not connected then are we?

Wikileaks releases "illegally obtained documents" which puts Osama Bin Laden right back in the spotlight just a few days before he turns up "dead".Exclamation Question

For me this completely invalidates "wikileaks" as a credible entity. It is as at the very least being used to generate opinion and guide people toward the agenda.

Especially when we consider that wikileaks also included this in their "leaked cables"...

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8241119/capturing-bin-laden-would-unl eash-hell

Quote:
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed told Guantanamo Bay interrogators the terror group would detonate the nuclear device if the al-Qaeda chief was captured or killed, according to the classified files released by the WikiLeaks website.


Strangely for me I did my show on Resistance Radio on the Sunday night hours before he was announced as dead on this very topic.

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