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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Published on Thursday, August 11, 2011 by Nathaniel Tapley
An Open Letter to David Cameron’s Parents
by Nathaniel Tapley

Dear Mr & Mrs Cameron,

Why did you never take the time to teach your child basic morality?

As a young man, he was in a gang that regularly smashed up private property. We know that you were absent parents who left your child to be brought up by a school rather than taking responsibility for his behaviour yourselves. The fact that he became a delinquent with no sense of respect for the property of others can only reflect that fact that you are terrible, lazy human beings who failed even in teaching your children the difference between right and wrong. I can only assume that his contempt for the small business owners of Oxford is indicative of his wider values.

Even worse, your neglect led him to fall in with a bad crowd.

There’s Michael Gove, whose wet-lipped rage was palpable on Newsnight last night. This is the Michael Gove who confused one of his houses with another of his houses in order to avail himself of £7,000 of the taxpayers’ money to which he was not entitled (or £13,000, depending on which house you think was which).

Or Hazel Blears, who was interviewed in full bristling peahen mode for almost all of last night. She once forgot which house she lived in, and benefited to the tune of £18,000. At the time she said it would take her reputation years to recover. Unfortunately not.

But, of course, this is different. This is just understandable confusion over the rules of how many houses you are meant to have as an MP. This doesn’t show the naked greed of people stealing plasma tellies.

Unless you’re Gerald Kaufman, who broke parliamentary rules to get £8,000 worth of 40-inch, flat screen, Bang and Olufsen TV out of the taxpayer.

Or Ed Vaizey, who got £2,000 in antique furniture ‘delivered to the wrong address’. Which is fortunate, because had that been the address they were intended for, that would have been fraud.

Or Jeremy Hunt, who broke the rules to the tune of almost £20,000 on one property and £2,000 on another. But it’s all right, because he agreed to pay half of the money back. Not the full amount, it would be absurd to expect him to pay back the entire sum that he took and to which he was not entitled. No, we’ll settle for half. And, as in any other field, what might have been considered embezzlement of £22,000 is overlooked. We know, after all, that David Cameron likes to give people second chances.

Fortunately, we have the Met Police to look after us. We’ll ignore the fact that two of its senior officers have had to resign in the last six weeks amid suspicions of widespread corruption within the force.

We’ll ignore Andy Hayman, who went for champagne dinners with those he was meant to be investigating, and then joined the company on leaving the Met.

Of course, Mr and Mrs Cameron, your son is right. There are parts of society that are not just broken, they are sick. Riddled with disease from top to bottom.

Just let me be clear about this (It’s a good phrase, Mr and Mrs Cameron, and one I looted from every sentence your son utters, just as he looted it from Tony Blair), I am not justifying or minimising in any way what has been done by the looters over the last few nights. What I am doing, however, is expressing shock and dismay that your son and his friends feel themselves in any way to be guardians of morality in this country.

Can they really, as 650 people who have shown themselves to be venal pygmies, moral dwarves at every opportunity over the last 20 years, bleat at others about ‘criminality’. Those who decided that when they broke the rules (the rules they themselves set) they, on the whole wouldn’t face the consequences of their actions?

Are they really surprised that this country’s culture is swamped in greed, in the acquisition of material things, in a lust for consumer goods of the most base kind? Really?

Let’s have a think back: cash-for-questions; Bernie Ecclestone; cash-for-access; Mandelson’s mortgage; the Hinduja passports; Blunkett’s alleged insider trading (and, by the way, when someone has had to resign in disgrace twice can we stop having them on television as a commentator, please?); the meetings on the yachts of oligarchs; the drafting of the Digital Economy Act with Lucian Grange; Byers’, Hewitt’s & Hoon’s desperation to prostitute themselves and their positions; the fact that Andrew Lansley (in charge of NHS reforms) has a wife who gives lobbying advice to the very companies hoping to benefit from the NHS reforms. And that list didn’t even take me very long to think of.

Our politicians are for sale and they do not care who knows it.

Oh yes, and then there’s the expenses thing. Widescale abuse of the very systems they designed, almost all of them grasping what they could while they remained MPs, to build their nest egg for the future at the public’s expense. They even now whine on Twitter about having their expenses claims for getting back to Parliament while much of the country is on fire subject to any examination. True public servants.

The last few days have revealed some truths, and some heartening truths. The fact that the #riotcleanup crews had organised themselves before David Cameron even made time for a public statement is heartening. The fact that local communities came together to keep their neighbourhoods safe when the police failed is heartening. The fact that there were peace vigils being organised (even as the police tried to dissuade people) is heartening.

There is hope for this country. But we must stop looking upwards for it. The politicians are the ones leading the charge into the gutter.

David Cameron was entirely right when he said: “It is a complete lack of responsibility in parts of our society, people allowed to think that the world owes them something, that their rights outweigh their responsibilities, and that their actions do not have consequences.”

He was more right than he knew.

And I blame the parents.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cameron's response to the riots was redolent of his hero, Tony Blair
The prime minister was calm, firm, resolute and sub-Churchillian – whether it will lead to anything is a different matter
Cameron said They would use a new weapon, gang injunctions. This is legislation that allows the police to ban groups of violent young men with no respect for property or the law. But apparently it has nothing to do with the Bullingdon Club.
They will use baton rounds, which – he didn't add – can blind people. And they could get water cannon at 24 hours' notice. Sluice the b****** into the gutter!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cameron wants to clamp down on social media to prevent riots, but U.K. police are finding it more useful as a surveillance tool. That has free-speech advocates worried, Josh Dzieza reports.

Aug 12, 2011 10:25 PM EDT

As the rioting in England subsided, Prime Minister David Cameron announced he was looking for a way to clamp down on the social media he believes helped orchestrate it. “Everyone watching these horrific actions will be struck by how they were organized via social media,” Cameron told Parliament during an emergency session yesterday. “And when people are using social media for violence, we need to stop them.”

The statement was a call to arms for free-speech advocates. “It’s almost impossible to do fairly,” said Jim Killock, executive director of Open Rights Group, one of several organizations to condemn the statement. The ubiquity of communications technology makes banning someone from a single service futile, he says, and implementing a blanket ban would put innocent lives at risk by cutting off their communication during an emergency. He calls the idea “stupid,” but he sees it as an ominous sign of Cameron’s plans.

What’s more likely than censorship, says Killock, is that Cameron will seize the opportunity to extend his government’s surveillance powers. “It may be that they try to dust off the Labour Party’s Interception Modernization Program,” a plan to store every email, Web-page visit, and phone call made in the U.K. The plan was expensive and controversial, and the Liberal Democrats pledged to prevent it in their coalition agreement with the Conservatives. But last year the plan appeared again, buried in the Strategic Defense Review. “The administration hasn’t abandoned Labour Party's plans,” says Killock. “They just need to discuss it quietly behind the scenes.”

For the time being, British law enforcement does seem more interested in using social media as a surveillance tool than they are in censoring it. The Greater Manchester Police were confident enough in their ability to use social media to catch rioters that they warned them over Twitter: “If you have been using social networking sites to incite disorder, expect us to come knocking on your door very soon,” the department tweeted.

Over a dozen people have already been arrested for messages they’ve sent online. Two men from Lancashire and another from Sussex have been charged for using Facebook to encourage disorder, and an 18-year-old man was arrested after he tweeted a picture of himself posing with looted goods.

In Britain, it is a criminal offense to incite criminal activity through media, says John Spencer, a criminal-law professor at the University of Cambridge, though this is the first time he has heard of anyone being charged for incitement using digital media.

Suspects have been arrested for incitement via BlackBerry Messenger (BBM) as well. But unlike Twitter and Facebook, messages sent over BBM are not public. The free messaging service allows users to send encrypted texts to several contacts, making it a popular organizing tool for activists and, apparently, rioters. Police have blamed the messaging service for helping rioters coordinate their looting on a massive scale.

Research in Motion (RIM), the company that makes BlackBerry, has said they will assist authorities “in any way we can,” but did not elaborate and did not respond to further requests for comment. Under the U.K.’s Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, that assistance could include giving law enforcement traffic data without a warrant—the time messages were sent, where they were sent from, and the name of the sender. If law enforcement asks for the content of the messages, RIM could demand a warrant—but they don’t have to.
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Killock worries that police getting customer data directly from RIM, rather than going through the courts, sets a dangerous precedent. “If police and private companies develop a habit of handing over information about people who are rioting, that will set a precedent that could be carried over to political activities.” As far as police are concerned, there is not a major difference between the recent riots and the austerity protests of several months ago.

Several arrests indicate police may be getting their RIM data already. A 27-year-old man and an 18-year-old woman were charged with using BBM to incite violence. In Northampton an 18-year-old man has been charged for urging 140 people to bring “bats and weapons” to Abington Park over BBM. In that case police were shown the message by one of the recipients, but police have not said how they obtained the other messages.

Scotland Yard has been making use of photo sharing as well. They quickly set up a massive Flickr archive of riot photographs and asked the public to identify the suspects. They have plenty of footage to draw on, as the U.K. has one of the most extensive networks of closed-circuit television (CCTV) cameras in the world. A recent study counted 1.85 million cameras in the nation, and a 2007 study estimated London to have one camera for every 14 residents, making it “the most watched city in the world.”

Similar crowd-sourced lineups appeared after the Stanley Cup riots in Vancouver, but the Vancouver Police Department discouraged them out of fear they would promote “vigilante justice.” Instead, they asked people to send the department their riot pictures and videos, and received so many that their website crashed.

Scotland Yard may be trying to move beyond crowd sourcing. Chief Constable Andy Trotter of the British Transportation Police told the Associated Press that Scotland Yard has been testing their new facial-recognition software, intended for the Olympic Games. (A spokesperson for the Metropolitan Police confirmed they have facial-recognition technology but refused to comment on an ongoing investigation.)

Facial-recognition technology has improved drastically over the last several years. Last week at the Black Hat computer-security conference in Las Vegas, Carnegie Mellon researcher Alessandro Acquisti used an iPhone camera, the face-recognition program PittPatt (acquired by Google last month), and a database of Facebook profiles to match his students’ faces to their identities. It worked a third of the time. Human recognition is better, says Acquisti, but automatic identification is fast improving.

Even with their new facial-recognition software, U.K. police may be looking overseas for help. Sean Mullin, the president of Massachusetts-based BI2, which makes facial-recognition technologies, says he has been barraged with calls since the riots began.

They’re especially interested in the MORIS device, which attaches to smart phones and allows law enforcement to scan a suspect’s face, fingerprints, and iris. The device, which stands for Mobile Offender Recognition and Information System, matches data against existing criminal databases. Not that it couldn’t draw on public databases like Facebook, provided the pictures were of the right quality, says Mullin, but there are “privacy concerns.” The MORIS is scheduled to be released to 40 law-enforcement agencies in the U.S. this fall.

The step from crowd-sourced photo identification to automated facial recognition might seem like a small one, but it raises new privacy concerns, says Helen Nissenbaum, a professor of media at New York University. Crowd-sourcing identification requires great effort, so it is currently used only for serious crimes. As automation continues to improve, she says, it will be tempting to use it for a wider range of infractions, and we will have to decide how much anonymity we want to preserve in public spaces. “The technology isn’t going to draw the line for you.”

The day before Cameron mentioned blocking social media, he expressed disdain for such lines: “Picture by picture, these criminals are being identified and arrested, and we will not let any phony concerns about human rights get in the way.”

Josh Dzieza is a reporter at The Newsweek Daily Beast company.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Intercept Modernisation Programme

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The Intercept Modernisation Programme was first proposed in the third term of the Labour government(2006). It was expected to form part of a Communications Data Bill announced in May 2008. [Ed: 15.5.2008] Proposals were initially expected to include a centralised database containing information gathered by CSP(Communications Service Provider(s))s on internet communications data, and telephone communications data for the purpose of 'maintaining capabilities' of police, public safety and national security authorities in order to keep up with terrorism and organised crime. The data would include information that is not usually gathered by CSPs, such as the recipient of email or instant messaging and other third-party data. This data could only be gathered through interception and "deep packet inspection". It was ditched by Labour in December 2009 leading up to the general election because of concerns about cost, controversy and feasibility.

The proposal appears to have been revived in October 2010 in a Strategic Defence and Security Review:

"We will introduce a programme to preserve the ability of the security, intelligence and law enforcement agencies to obtain communication data and to intercept communications within the appropriate legal framework … We will put in place the necessary regulations and safeguards to ensure that our response to this technology challenge is compatible with the government's approach to information storage and civil liberties."[1]

It appears that the plans for a centralised database have been scrapped in favour of assisting CSPs(perhaps using public funds) in maintaining their own databases of collated data from which authorities could, with the proper authorisation, take information and use it to improve their services. Although this is certainly a better option than a centralised database, there are still serious issues about the technical feasibility, the cost, and of course privacy. Worryingly, the Home Office now says that the use of IMP will not be limited to terrorism or organised crime:

"Communications data is vital to all law enforcement"

Intercept Modernisation FAQs

IMP under the Coalition 2010-11: Communications Capabilities Development Programme

In the original Coalition Agreement (12th May 2010), this statement appears on page 11:

"We will end the storage of internet and email records without good reason."

And Nick Clegg reiterated this in a speech a week later(19th May 2010) when he said:

"We won't hold your internet and email records when there is just no reason to do so."

However, on 19th October 2010, hidden in the depths of the government's Strategic Defence and Security Review was this statement:

"We will introduce a programme to preserve the ability of the security, intelligence and law enforcement agencies to obtain communication data and to intercept communications within the appropriate legal framework … We will put in place the necessary regulations and safeguards to ensure that our response to this technology challenge is compatible with the government's approach to information storage and civil liberties."

The revival of the IMP is being spearheaded by the Home Office, which in fact as early as July 2010, planned to revive IMP, as revealed in a largely unnoticed document.

One can only read this as a revival of the Intercept Modernisation Programme. This is despite staunch opposition to the programme by both the Lib Dems and the Tories while they weren't in government, and their original Coalition Agreement (mentioned above).

GCHQ were revealed to be installing a system for collecting the data required by the IMP in 2009, and are continuing to install this programme despite the suspected opposition of the new coalition. Tories at the time opposed doing this on the sly. Baroness Neville-Jones wanted it to be done only if it was passed as law by Parliament. Baroness Neville-Jones is now the coalition's security minister and she will have to stick to her guns if the public is to ever see such an important development debated by their elected representatives.

On the 27th October 2010, Liberal Democrat MP for Cambridge Dr Julian Huppert asked the Prime Minister in Prime Minister's Question Time:

Can the Prime Minister reassure the House that the Government have no plans to revive Labour's intercept modernisation programme, whether in name or in function, and that he remains fully committed to the pledge in the coalition agreement to reverse the substantial erosion of civil liberties and to roll back state intrusion?

The Prime Minister had this to say:

The Prime Minister: I would argue that we have made good progress on rolling back state intrusion in terms of getting rid of ID cards and in terms of the right to enter a person's home. We are not considering a central Government database to store all communications information, and we shall be working with the Information Commissioner's Office on anything we do in that area.

Notice how he doesn't say they won't be extending the requirements for CSPs to retain communications data. Is this another hint that IMP will be adopted by the Coalition, just without the centralised database?

The Communications Capabilities Development Programme

The programme is now renamed the CCDP.

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See also:

Directive 2002/58/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 12 July 2002

Directive 2006/24/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 15 March 2006

Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:40 pm    Post subject: IPPC: We may have misled public on death that led to riots Reply with quote

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http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/news/Pages/pr_120811_Release-of-information-in- early-stages-of-Mark-Duggan.aspx


Release of information in early stages of Mark Duggan investigation

Independent Police Complaints Commission website, 12 August 2011


Analysis of media coverage and queries raised on Twitter have alerted to us to the possibility that we may have inadvertently given misleading information to journalists when responding to very early media queries following the shooting of Mark Duggan by MPS [London's Metropolitan Police Service] officers on the evening of 4th August.

The IPCC's [Independent Police Complaints Commission] first statement, issued at 22.49 on 4th August, makes no reference to shots fired at police and our subsequent statements have set out the sequence of events based on the emerging evidence. However, having reviewed the information the IPCC received and gave out during the very early hours of the unfolding incident, before any documentation had been received, it seems possible that we may have verbally led journalists to believe that shots were exchanged as this was consistent with early information we received that an officer had been shot and taken to hospital.

Any reference to an exchange of shots was not correct and did not feature in any of our formal statements, although an officer was taken to hospital after the incident.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Selling the 'riots' as a black event continues when in reality if one follows the official line, it was a white event as the police officers who sparked it, I bet wasn't black....



'White chavs have become black': David Starkey TV outburst provokes race row as he claims Enoch Powell was right

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025554/David-Starkey-says-Eno ch-Powell-right-infamous-rivers-blood-speech.html#ixzz1UlxUpBif
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do BlackBerry makers have a secret code that would let police identify rioters?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025783/UK-riots-Do-BlackBerry -makers-secret-code-let-police-identify-rioters.html#ixzz1UlzAEZc2
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Bratton-US specialist to aid Cameron in attacking gangs...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/13/nyregion/cameron-consults-william-br atton-over-british-policing-issues.html

A bit like the American ex-CIA chief employed by Livingstone who was in charge of the underground and then we had the first bombs on it...

Is this now part of an Olympics City clear up?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:57 pm    Post subject: Mike Ruppert comments on the London riots Reply with quote

Mike Ruppert comments on the London riots.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sentiments I would subscribe to above.
But he has missed out what has happened to the UK in the last two decades.

We have had waves of global immigration as part of a NWO agenda. London can easily find 5,000 hoodlums in its hour of 'need'.


So the rioters and 'hoodlums' are 'global immigrants'?
This position is borderline BNP and I'm a bit surprised it hasn't been challenged so far.

Firstly, this talk of a NWO agenda behind global immigration is far too conspiratorial.
This is a corporate agenda, and it is global.
There are no men in dark rooms doing funny handshakes who set this policy. Instead there are shareholders who demand ever better returns.
So firms try and lower labour costs to respond.

Secondly, the claim that 'global immigration' is to blame is nonsensical.
What about the earlier Tottenham riots?
And what about the other countries where labour immigration takes place that also have higher percentages of immigrants?
Why don't you get riots of this scale in Sweden or in Germany?
Come off it. The issue clearly is rampant, severe inequality and a lack of guidance by example from the higher echelons of society (MPs, bankers etc. etc.).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/09/london-riots-who-took-part

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Firstly, this talk of a NWO agenda behind global immigration is far too conspiratorial.
This is a corporate agenda, and it is global.
There are no men in dark rooms doing funny handshakes who set this policy. Instead there are shareholders who demand ever better returns.
So firms try and lower labour costs to respond.


But these people with funny handshakes is much about making money and deals (for their own selfish interests, and it’s hierarchical, the higher the level in these secret groups the more you oppress others below in society whilst being oppressed by levels above.)[corporate]


Why should foreign workers earn less than anyone else? Is it to wind people up about steeling jobs and set people against each other? Economic. Is it to wind people up about political beliefs perceived by foreigners? Is it to divide people on cultural beliefs? Is it to divide people up on religious beliefs?

I say it is because the so-called ptb do every thing to promote the division of those groups and individuals, whilst trying to graft them into a ponzi/prymidal Marxist super state. (And Hitler spoke often about the god “man”) just as much Marxist (humanist) super state, 1984 style as any communist dictatorship.

A ponzi/prymidal scheme via corporate, and/or big government state (same plutocracy of benefactors) [short term]

And a false paradigm of "Privatised" or "Nationalised", that’s often spoken of in debates, but which is a con.
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Sweeping powers open to ministers in times of crisis

Curfews, confiscation of property and deployment of armed forces among options under Civil Contingencies Act 2004

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Curfews, bans on travel, assembly and "other specified activities", confiscation of property with or without compensation, and, most drastically, the deployment of the armed forces on the streets to quell disorder are among options open to ministers under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004.

Although ministers have appeared to rule out the use of troops, the sweeping powers in their locker include "any provision which the person making the regulations is satisfied is appropriate" to protect human life, health and safety and protect or restore property and supplies of money, food, water, energy or fuel.

Threats to transport and other forms of communication, to banks and other financial institutions, to land, water or air through contamination, to the the running of parliaments in Westminster and Edinburgh and assemblies in Belfast and Cardiff and to other "public functions" are all covered by the legislation.

People disobeying or obstructing such instructions could be hauled before a special court or tribunal.

The government insists the powers "are not a means for instigating martial law, for undermining parliament, banning political parties or anything else of that nature." They would be temporary, proportionate, and neither replace criminal proceedings nor breach EU and human rights law. They would also be open to challenge.

The Home Office insists it is possible to use emergency powers on a regional and/or devolved administration basis, ensuring any special temporary legislation would apply only in the part of the UK affected by the emergency.

Any decision to use emergency powers would normally be made by the prime minister and senior ministers, after advice from Cobra (an acronym for the Cabinet Office briefing room; in reality, a committee that co-ordinates local and national responses to crises).

Deploying armed forces on the streets would require ministers to go through an extra hoop. Only after the act has been invoked could the defence council of the Ministry of Defence – chaired by the defence secretary and including other ministers, the chief of defence staff and other service chiefs and senior civil servants – be asked to authorise their use to quell civil disorder.

That request would be made by the Home Office under an arrangement called military aid to the civil authorities, although this arrangement always needed the use of the act.

Recent examples include the use of HMS Albion to bring back travellers stranded in Spain by the volcanic ash cloud in April 2010 alongside troops returning from Afghanistan. The armed forces provided search and rescue helicopters and helped to build a temporary bridge during the Cumbria floods of 2009.

The system was introduced because Tony Blair's government believed the previous framework had proved inadequate during the fuel crisis and severe flooding of 2000 and the foot and mouth outbreak of 2001. Management of such problems had long depended locally on civil defence legislation dating from 1948, and nationally on the Emergency Powers Act of 1920, which covered neither terrorist or environmental threats.

The 1920 act was used a dozen times, often to cope with effect of strikes, including the 1926 general strike and, most recently, the 1974 miners' strike, although the army was not called in by Ted Heath on the five occasions that he invoked its powers. Secret plans were drawn up to use troops to move coal and oil stocks by road and rail and operate power stations in the 1972 dispute but were never implemented.


An interesting alignment from the enactment of the Civil Contingencies Act 2004 and the shooting of Mark Duggan.

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conspiracy analyst wrote:
Sentiments I would subscribe to above.
But he has missed out what has happened to the UK in the last two decades.

We have had waves of global immigration as part of a NWO agenda. London can easily find 5,000 hoodlums in its hour of 'need'.


So the rioters and 'hoodlums' are 'global immigrants'?
This position is borderline BNP and I'm a bit surprised it hasn't been challenged so far.

Firstly, this talk of a NWO agenda behind global immigration is far too conspiratorial.
This is a corporate agenda, and it is global.
There are no men in dark rooms doing funny handshakes who set this policy. Instead there are shareholders who demand ever better returns.
So firms try and lower labour costs to respond.

Secondly, the claim that 'global immigration' is to blame is nonsensical.
What about the earlier Tottenham riots?
And what about the other countries where labour immigration takes place that also have higher percentages of immigrants?
Why don't you get riots of this scale in Sweden or in Germany?
Come off it. The issue clearly is rampant, severe inequality and a lack of guidance by example from the higher echelons of society (MPs, bankers etc. etc.).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/09/london-riots-who-took-part


You added the word rioters when I didn't even mention it, but hey thats life, re-interpreting what one said to justify a political line.

The BNP are in Brussels busy taking part in the NWO agenda of destroying nation states, or did you miss that one as well?

If there are no men in dark rooms doing dodgy deals how come they had to have 2 votes for Maastricht?

If we are to assume like the media sells it that these 'riots' are identical to the one in the 1980's, then we are also to assume that muslims brought down the towers as the media sells that line to. Now they are selling that the burning of the buildings and the blackberry riots are all natural, they didn't have a single hand in them, like leaving unmanned police cars in the middle of a demo (like they did with the students a few months before), they refused to allow firebrigades to put out fires, the police also refused to police, so all in all, we dont have any state involvement at all, just rioters as you argue due to ...inequality, poverty and racism.
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Ministers are considering introducing new area-wide curfew powers, in the wake of last week's riots in England.

Theresa May said police would be given new powers to tackle gangs and new guidance would be issued to English and Welsh forces on public order policing.

The home secretary said politicians would always back the use of "robust" policing that was legal and reasonable.

Meanwhile Acting Met Commissioner Tim Godwin rejected claims officers had held back in London when rioting began.

Giving evidence to the Commons home affairs committee, he said: "I don't believe for one second that the men and women of the Met were timid, which is an accusation that's been levelled at us which I have refuted but, more important than that, the vast majority of the people that make up this city, the Londoners, refute that."

He also told MPs that suggestions that politicians and police had been "at loggerheads" were unhelpful and had been "overplayed".

In other developments:

Police say they prevented attacks by rioters on the Olympic site and London's Oxford Street after picking up intelligence on social networks such as Blackberry messenger and Twitter

An independent panel will be set up to hear from the victims of the riots and disorder last week

Three men are jailed in Manchester for their part in last week's disorder in the city

A 16-year-old boy charged with the murder of Richard Mannington Bowes, 68, in Ealing, west London has been remanded in custody.

A man is arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after two police officers were hit by a car as they chased looters in north-east London.

In Leicester, those convicted of taking part in disorder will be barred from bars and shops

As of noon, 1,277 people had appeared before the courts on charges relating to the disturbances, 64% of those charged were remanded into custody, the Ministry of Justice says

Rioting which began in Tottenham, north London, last Saturday spread over the following days to different parts of the city as well as parts of Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Nottingham, Gloucester and Bristol.
'Damned if they do'

On Tuesday, Mrs May praised the bravery of those on the front line but said that she had been told that some officers had felt "because of criticism of police tactics in the past" police had felt "damned if they do and damned if they don't".

As long as we tolerate the kind of anti-social behaviour that takes place every day up and down the country, we will continue to see high levels of crime”

Theresa May Home Secretary

She told the audience, which included police chiefs: "As long as you act within reason and the law, I will never damn you if you do."

Police chiefs themselves had not wanted to use baton rounds and water cannon, instead relying on a surge of officers and "robust policing" alongside community support.

But she said "strong, enforceable powers" were needed to help police deal with anti-social behaviour, gangs and criminality.

She said dispersal orders - which allow police to move on groups of people from certain areas - had been used "to good effect" and were part of anti-social behaviour measures which were being reformed to make them more "effective and enforceable".

Police would get stronger powers to enforce gang injunctions and remove face masks, she said.
Curfew powers

And ministers are considering new curfew powers - to allow "general curfews" to be imposed on a specific area in England and Wales, rather than being linked to specific individuals, and to allow them to be imposed on more youngsters aged under 16.

"It's clear to me that as long as we tolerate the kind of anti-social behaviour that takes place every day up and down the country, we will continue to see high levels of crime, a lack of respect for private property and a contempt for community life," she said.

"So we will make sure the police have the powers they need. But we also need to be clear that when they use them, and when they deliver the kind of robust policing that worked this week, they have the support of the politicians and the public."

Kevin Hurley, a former public order commander, says heavy-handed tactics "risk disaster""

She also made clear that the next Metropolitan Police Commissioner will be a British officer - following speculation that a US crimefighter, such as former New York police chief Bill Bratton could be considered for the role - saying she had "no time for the pessimism which says we cannot find from amongst our ranks a tough crime fighter, equipped to lead the Met".

Mrs May has written to Sir Denis O'Connor, Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Constabulary, to ask for clearer information to be provided to police forces in England and Wales about the size of deployments, tactics, when it is appropriate for other police forces to provide help and "an appropriate arrests policy".

He warned earlier this year that more than two in five forces were unprepared to help police major protests.

And Mrs May took issue with critics who say the government's planned 20% cuts to central police funding would lead to thousands of police officers' jobs being axed. She said the cuts actually amounted to 6%, when other sources of funding were taken into account.

But Paul McKeever, of the Police Federation - which represents rank and file officers in England and Wales - said the speech was a "real slap in the face" for police, as Mrs May was "ploughing on ahead regardless with cuts which everyone in the police force say are detrimental."

Campaign group Big Brother Watch raised concerns about the possibility of "blanket curfews" saying they ran "contrary to any concept of a liberal and democratic values".

And Labour leader Ed Miliband said the government's determination to press on police cuts was worrying: "The lesson the public wants them to learn is that visible, effective policing increases public confidence and increases safety on our streets. That is why they should rethink their police cuts."

Police last week defended their handling of the riots, rejecting suggestions from Mrs May and Prime Minister David Cameron that restoration of calm had been due to political intervention.
'Supportive'

But Mr Godwin told the home affairs committee the relationship between police and Mr Cameron and Mrs May had been "very supportive" and differences had sometimes been "overplayed".

"The perception of us at loggerheads is not helpful in terms of responding to the situation we are confronted with," he said.

But he added that it was "sometimes forgotten" that decisions were taken "in the heat of the moment" without the benefit of hindsight.

Mr Godwin said there had been no "pan-London" order not to arrest suspects - but said it was ultimately a decision taken locally, as making arrests could mean taking two or three officers - and a van - off the streets. The Met had a history of gathering evidence to make arrests later, he said, and it was a "numerical decision".

"It depends how many [officers] you have. On the Monday night, as assets started to flow in, we were arresting more as the night went on and then, after that, it's the relentless pursuit of those that follows."

Police had doubled the number of officers on the streets of London on Sunday but had not expected the "unprecedented" extent of disorder which subsequently broke out across 22 out of the 32 London boroughs on the Monday night, he said.


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But this type of thing wont stop.
Open borders London is a rigged market.
Banksters get the bailouts.
Banks get repossesion.
And if you happen to be away or go on holiday, your home is taken over...

The only positive in this is that it happened to a so-called immigration officer, another fake job with a fake title...



Immigration officer comes home to find family of Romanian gypsies squatting in her house, wearing her clothes and drinking her wine

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026723/Immigration-officer-co mes-home-family-Romanian-gypsies-squatting-house-wearing-clothes.html# ixzz19bE4nwz3RB


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Carpetright. Profit warning or just like the Towers whom Silverstein bought from the city of New York and insured for terrorism and made a killing.

Who is the boss?

Lord Harris sponsor of London Academies and Tory peer
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1385298/Lord-Harris-piles-Hick stead.html

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/markets/2818758/Carpetright-Carpet- king-rolls-back-the-years.html

Bill Gates has 3% shares in the company
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpetright

John Bercows wife feels wrath of Carpetright lawyers
http://billionaires.forbes.com/article/025r0MMeY720y?q=billionaire+OR+ billionaires+OR+billionaire%27s

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multimillionaire founder of Carpetright, he is a staunch supporter of the Conservative Party, to which he has donated about £6 million, and he is a philanthropist.

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There is an old saying show me who your friends are...

Has anyone ever heard ever of a robbery of a carpet place when there are other shops to loot eg jewellers, phone shops, computer shops?

I mean are you going to walk down the street with a roll of carpet on your back?

Why didn't they loot some cement from B&Q up the road or some tyres from Quick Fit round the corner?

Another interesting piece of Camerons 'fundraising' by Carpetright boss...



Mystery of Cameron's chief fundraiser and his Commons pass

By James Macintyre

Wednesday, 1 August 2007



David Cameron's "chief fundraiser" is gaining access to exclusive hospitality facilities inside the Palace of Westminster by using a researcher pass allotted to a Conservative peer who has no parliamentary office and asks for no research, The Independent has learnt.

Andrew Feldman, an old university friend and tennis partner of Mr Cameron, is listed by Parliament as a "temporary research assistant" to Lord Harris of Peckham, a multimillionaire Tory donor and businessman who is chairman of Carpet-right.
Last night, Mr Feldman said that he had "not been asked to conduct any research and have not done so".
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A senior member of the Lords Privileges Committee said the news that a party fundraiser was using a parliamentary security pass shows how fundraising, "pollutes our politics".

The development will come as a personal blow to Mr Cameron after his worst period yet as Conservative leader. Mr Feldman, 41, and Lord Harris, 64, are both personal supporters of and significant donors to Mr Cameron. In May 2005, after the Tories' defeat at the last general election, Lord Harris reportedly hosted a dinner at which he and Mr Feldman urged Mr Cameron to stand as Michael Howard's successor.

Lord Harris, whose wealth is estimated at around £285m, then donated £90,000 to Mr Cameron's campaign for the leadership. Mr Feldman also donated through his family-owned, multi-million pound womenswear firm, Jayroma. Last year he was appointed deputy treasurer by Mr Cameron with a brief to draw in party funds.

Soon after his appointment he was at the centre of a "cash for access" row, after being named as the chairman of a leader's group in which wealthy supporters could hold meetings with Mr Cameron in his House of Commons office after Prime Minister's Questions, for a membership fee of £50,000 per year.

In March, the commissioner for standards and privileges wrote to Mr Cameron asking him to explain "the use of your parliamentary office for this purpose".

News that Mr Feldman is using a parliamentary security pass shows he is still able to entertain guests in Parliament, and will be embarrassing for Mr Cameron, who has called for moves to "clean up politics "in the wake of the cash-for-peerages affair.

Researcher passes give access to the Palace of Westminster's subsidised bars, restaurants and meeting rooms. The House of Commons and the House of Lords make the ideal setting for impressing and entertaining guests, several of whom can be brought in with the passes.

Lord Harris was unavailable for comment last night.

Mr Feldman said: "Lord Harris has asked me to be available to do any research he might require. At this stage, however, I have not been asked to conduct any research and have not done so." He denied that he had brought "actual or potential" donors into parliament.

It is unsurprising that Mr Feldman has not been too busy as a " researcher". The parliamentary monitoring website theyworkforyou.com says Lord Harris has not once spoken in a debate, nor received any written answers to questions in the past year. Asked about Mr Feldman's role in the party, a Tory spokesman said: "He works extremely closely with the treasurer, Michael Spencer."

Lord McNally, a member of the Lords Privileges Committee, said: "The use of passes by fundraisers is yet another example of how pressure on political parties to raise ever larger sums from private sources pollutes our politics and makes capped and policed state-funding cheap at the price." The Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker said: "Researcher passes are exactly that: passes for researchers. They are not freebies to be handed out to those raising funds for political parties."

Mr Feldman is not necessarily breaking any written rules. This is because of a system that is "open to abuse" by individuals seeking to take advantage of it, according to a member of the privileges committee.

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London Riots A Conspiracy?

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So they say...that they will be deported...but then again they said they would clamp down on illegal immigration and just opened the borders up to students even more from outside the EU...




More than 150 people caught after rioting swept across UK ‘were foreign nationals and will be deported’

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That'll be the one to rally EDL and BNP? lol Hitler rolls in his grave!
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That'll be the one to rally EDL and BNP? lol Hitler rolls in his grave!


UKIP already called for martial law.
The BNP and EDL will have called it like Starkey 'a black event' and will be asking for a clampdown as well.
The globalist 'left' will pronounce it a black event and... proud of it and gather to let off steam.

In the meantime the security services, the police, Cameron will be let off the hook for their despicable role... Maybe this is what Call me Dave meant when he said 'hug a hoody' lets have London burning?
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Perfect Storm: The England Riots Documentary


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"If the young are not initiated into the village, they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." -- African Proverb.

This mini-documentary film looks at the initial causes and wider context surrounding the recent England riots. Politicians refuse to acknowledge their role in creating a deeply unfair and failing society, a perfect storm of police brutality, city poverty and austerity measures, that will only get worse unless the root problem is addressed.

Did you know for the rioters to be on par with the looting by the financial bailouts, corporate tax avoiders and Libyan invasion, they would have to repeat the same level of damage......4,320 times?

Massive credit to http://www.youtube.com/user/huntingtigers who had the balls to do what the mainstream media didn't and give a fair interview to those on the ground in Tottenham.

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Anarchists respond to the London riots - Solidarity Federation
http://libcom.org/news/north-london-solfeds-response-london-riots-0908 2011#new
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With media sources blaming “anarchy” for the unfolding violence in London and across England, the North London Solidarity Federation has released the following statement as a response from an anarchist organisation active in the capital.

Over the last few days, riots have caused significant damage to parts of London, to shop-fronts, homes and cars. On the left, we hear the ever-present cry that poverty has caused this. On the right, that gangsters and anti-social elements are taking advantage of tragedy. Both are true. The looting and riots seen over the past number of days are a complex phenomenon and contain many currents.

It is no accident that the riots are happening now, as the support nets for Britain's disenfranchised are dragged away and people are left to fall into the abyss, beaten as they fall by the batons of the Metropolitan Police. But there should be no excuses for the burning of homes, the terrorising of working people. Whoever did such things has no cause for support.

The fury of the estates is what it is, ugly and uncontrolled. But not unpredictable. Britain has hidden away its social problems for decades, corralled them with a brutal picket of armed men. Growing up in the estates often means never leaving them, unless it's in the back of a police van. In the 1980s, these same problems led to Toxteth. In the '90s, contributed to the Poll Tax riots. And now we have them again - because the problems are not only still there, they're getting worse.

Police harassment and brutality are part of everyday life in estates all around the UK. Barely-liveable benefits systems have decayed and been withdrawn. In Hackney, the street-level support workers who came from the estates and knew the kids, could work with them in their troubles have been told they will no longer be paid. Rent is rising and state-sponsored jobs which used to bring money into the area are being cut back in the name of a shift to unpaid "big society" roles. People who always had very little now have nothing. Nothing to lose.

And the media's own role in all of should not be discounted. For all the talk of the “peaceful protest” that preceded events in Tottenham, the media wouldn't have touched the story if all that happened was a vigil outside a police station. Police violence and protests against it happen all the time. It's only when the other side responds with violence (on legitimate targets or not) that the media feels the need to give it any sort of coverage.

So there should be no shock that people living lives of poverty and violence have at last gone to war. It should be no shock that people are looting plasma screen TVs that will pay for a couple of months' rent and leaving books they can't sell on the shelves. For many, this is the only form of economic redistribution they will see in the coming years as they continue a fruitless search for jobs.

Much has been made of the fact that the rioters were attacking “their own communities.” But riots don't occur within a social vacuum. Riots in the eighties tended to be directed in a more targeted way; avoiding innocents and focusing on targets more representative of class and race oppression: police, police stations, and shops. What's happened since the eighties? Consecutive governments have gone to great lengths to destroy any sort of notion of working class solidarity and identity. Is it any surprise, then, that these rioters turn on other members of our class?

The Solidarity Federation is based in resistance through workplace struggle. We are not involved in the looting and unlike the knee-jerk right or even the sympathetic-but-condemnatory commentators from the left, we will not condemn or condone those we don't know for taking back some of the wealth they have been denied all their lives.

But as revolutionaries, we cannot condone attacks on working people, on the innocent. Burning out shops with homes above them, people's transport to work, muggings and the like are an attack on our own and should be resisted as strongly as any other measure from government "austerity" politics, to price-gouging landlords, to bosses intent on stealing our labour. Tonight and for as long as it takes, people should band together to defend themselves when such violence threatens homes and communities.

We believe that the legitimate anger of the rioters can be far more powerful if it is directed in a collective, democratic way and seeks not to victimise other workers, but to create a world free of the exploitation and inequality inherent to capitalism.

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From fake riots to fake police uniforms, whatever next? Fake currencies, fake gold, fake terror shows? We have it all....




Candidate for top Scotland Yard job wears fake uniform with ‘made-up’ plastic badge

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New video release: masked and wearing black clothing now they have been shooting at police and trying to bring down copters... latest blitz of propaganda from the state....


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"Things got out of hand & we’d had a few drinks. We smashed the place up and Boris set fire to the toilets.” - David Cameron, 1986.

"The looting and arson last night were criminality, pure and simple. Justice will be done and the people will see the consequences for their crimes” - David Cameron, 2011

Black Tottenham youth - paid by whom - smashes up peace vigil

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very interesting!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)

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In response to the death of Black Panther member Fred Hampton in December, 1969 during a police raid, on May 21, 1970 the Weather Underground issued a "Declaration of War" against the United States government, using for the first time its new name, the "Weather Underground Organization" (WUO), adopting fake identities, and pursuing covert activities only. These initially included preparations for a bombing of a U.S. military non-commissioned officers' dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey in what Brian Flanagan said had been intended to be "the most horrific hit the United States government had ever suffered on its territory".[74]
We've known that our job is to lead white kids into armed revolution. We never intended to spend the next five to twenty-five years of our lives in jail. Ever since SDS became revolutionary, we've been trying to show how it is possible to overcome frustration and impotence that comes from trying to reform this system. Kids know the lines are drawn: revolution is touching all of our lives. Tens of thousands have learned that protest and marches don't do it. Revolutionary violence is the only way.
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weird my post is not visible?
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Gestapo Watch - Police State waring red!

Riots: Metropolitan police planned to hold all suspects in custody
Exclusive: leaked strategy amounts to a blanket policy of mass imprisonments and could lead to legal challenge, say lawyers
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/22/riots-metropolitan-police-sus pects-custody
The document, seen by the Guardian, was circulated to all investigating officers at the height of the violence two weeks ago by Operation Withern, the codename for Scotland Yard's emergency response to the outbreak of violence in the capital. It suggested that no one arrested in or after the riots should be let off with a caution – regardless of the offence – and that everyone arrested should be held in custody, with a recommendation that bail should also be denied when the case first goes to court.
Lawyers began proceedings on Monday for the first judicial review of the custody procedures, which resulted in 62% of those arrested for involvement in the riots remanded in custody compared with a normal rate of around 10% for more serious offences. They claimed the document amounted to a blanket policy of mass imprisonment of people.
The police document argues that the policy was necessary to prevent further public disorder as violence spread through the capital. But it also acknowledges that the force was so stretched at the height of the riots that it was "impractical" to bail people while they conducted "protracted" investigations, suggesting that investigating officers use special rules to fast-track cases to the courts with less evidence than is normally required. The recommendation could expose the Metropolitan police to accusations that it adopted a policy of "conveyer belt" justice in order to deal with its unprecedented workload.
The document, titled Operation Withern: prisoner processing strategy, includes a suggested statement for investigating officers to use in the prosecuting reports of individual cases, which are then passed to the Crown Prosecution Service. It says: "A strategic decision has been made by the MPS [Metropolitan Police Service] that in all cases an application will be made for remand in custody both at the police station, and later at court. This decision has been made in the interest of public safety and the prevention of further cases of disorder. The spontaneous nature of these offences and the significant burden it has placed on police resources has meant that not all inquiries have yet been completed. Some inquiries, such as gathering of CCTV, are not capable of being progressed at present due to the ongoing public disorder in and around London.

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