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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

??? Bin Laden killed on Illuminati anniversary???

May 1st, 1776 Adam Weishaupt created the Bavarian Illuminati
More evidence of the NWO’s occult and Numerology beliefs, as Osama Bin Laden is coincidentally announced dead on the anniversaries of the origins of the Illuminati and the death of Adolf Hitler, May 1st.
http://leaksource.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/05012011-osama-bin-laden-an nounced-dead-on-illuminati-anniversary/

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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2011 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ Ian Neal:
A fellow mini-cab worker, a Muslim, told me roughly the same thing, that he had read in a Pakistani paper.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turns into the best Birther argument I've seen Wink Well put together.


TRUMP: OSAMA BIN LADEN DEATH WAS A SCAM!


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

US Officially Drops All Charges Against Bin Laden, Never Indicted For 9/11 No Evidence Presented


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Osama bin Laden's role in the events of September 11, 2001 is not mentioned on the FBI's "Ten Most Wanted" poster.

On June 5, 2006, author Ed Haas contacted the Federal Bureau of Investigation headquarters to ask why, while claiming that bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 1998 bombings of US Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, the poster does not indicate that he is wanted in connection with the events of 9/11.

Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI responded, "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Osama bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11." Tomb continued, "Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11."




Asked to explain the process, Tomb responded, "The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice then decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11."

Haas pauses to ask the question, "If the US government does not have enough hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11, how is it possible that it had enough evidence to invade Afghanistan to 'smoke him out of his cave?'" Through corporate media, the Bush administration told the American people that bin Laden was "Public Enemy Number One," responsible for the deaths of nearly 3,000 people on September 11, 2001. The federal government claims to have invaded Afghanistan to "root out" bin Laden and the Taliban, yet nearly six years later, the FBI said that it had no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.
Though the world was to have been convinced by the December 2001 release of a bin Laden "confession video," the Department of Defense issued a press release to accompany this video in which Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said, "There was no doubt of bin Laden's responsibility for the 9/11 attacks even before the tape was discovered."

In a CNN article regarding the bin Laden tape, then New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said that "the tape removes any doubt that the US military campaign targeting bin Laden and his associates is more than justified." Senator Richard Shelby, R-Alabama, the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee said, "The tape's release is central to informing people in the outside world who don't believe bin Laden was involved in the September 11 attacks." Shelby went on to say "I don't know how they can be in denial after they see this tape."

Haas attempted to secure a reference to US government authentication of the bin Laden "confession video," to no avail. However, it is conclusive that the Bush Administration and US Congress, along with corporate media, presented the video as authentic. So why doesn't the FBI view the "confession video" as hard evidence? After all, notes Haas, if the FBI is investigating a crime such as drug trafficking, and it discovers a video of members of a drug cartel openly talking about a successful distribution operation in the United States, that video would be presented to a federal grand jury. The participants identified in the video would be indicted. The video alone would serve as sufficient evidence to net a conviction in a federal court. So why, asks Haas, is the bin Laden "confession video" not carrying the same weight with the FBI?

Haas strongly suggests that we begin asking questions, "The fact that the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Osama bin Laden to 9/11 should be headline news around the world. The challenge to the reader is to find out why it is not. Why has the US media blindly read the government-provided 9/11 scripts, rather than investigate without passion, prejudice, or bias, the events of September 11, 2001? Why has the US media blacklisted any guest that might speak of a government-sponsored 9/11 cover-up, rather than seeking out those people who have something to say about 9/11 that is contrary to the government's account?" Haas continues. "Who is controlling the media message, and how is it that the FBI has no 'hard evidence' connecting Osama bin Laden to the events of September 11, 2001, while the US media has played the bin Laden-9/11 connection story for [six] years now as if it has conclusive evidence that bin Laden is responsible for the collapse of the twin towers, the Pentagon attack, and the demise of United Flight 93?"

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Here we have it! Guardian admits photo fake - no wonder US back-pedalling on showing photo!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-photo-fake

PS I did put the 'fake' video on their 'Comment' page yesterday.


Here is another very similar pic, from Baluchi News:

http://www.baluchinews.com/2011/05/picture-of-man.html

Can someone put the actual Guardian pics and this one up, so they can be compared?
Notice the smiling US serviceman with the corpse. So looks like US DID put out the false pic, then blamed the Pakistanis for it when they realised they had been rumbled.

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“He could not have the know-how or the ability to do it,” El-Arab said, calling the dead al-Qaida leader “an American agent.”

The Egyptian politician added “if he had the ability, one plane only landing on the Knesset would give more effect.”

El-Arab blamed the CIA, Israel’s Mossad and the “military-industrial complex”.


Top Egyptian politician calls Holocaust, 9/11 'fabrications'
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Ahmed Ezz El-Arab, leader of the secular Wafd Party, tells the Washington Times the Holocaust is a lie, adding Anne Frank's memoirs 'fake.'

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/top-egyptian-politician- calls-holocaust-9-11-fabrications-1.371820

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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“He could not have the know-how or the ability to do it,” El-Arab said, calling the dead al-Qaida leader “an American agent.”

The Egyptian politician added “if he had the ability, one plane only landing on the Knesset would give more effect.”

El-Arab blamed the CIA, Israel’s Mossad and the “military-industrial complex”.


Top Egyptian politician calls Holocaust, 9/11 'fabrications'
www.haaretz.com
Ahmed Ezz El-Arab, leader of the secular Wafd Party, tells the Washington Times the Holocaust is a lie, adding Anne Frank's memoirs 'fake.'

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/top-egyptian-politician- calls-holocaust-9-11-fabrications-1.371820


Well, well! How useful to Israel/NWO!
An Egyptian political party leader links '9/11 Truth' to 'Holocaust Denial'!
And he also seemingly believes that OBL was killed recently in Pakistan.

Pity he didn't expand on 9/11 Truth to Washington Post, but then he obviously hasn't the knowledge, nor of course would the Washington Post have printed it if he had given them concrete examples of how the OCT was a load of codswallop.

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Call it Haaretz Propaganda if you will Wink
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Worst US loss of life in Afghan war as helicopter crash kills 38
Eight Afghan soldiers and 30 US forces from unit that killed Bin Laden die after insurgents shoot down Chinook

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sources: Seal Team 6 Was Murdered


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OBL - the numbers
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pentagon Lied About SEALs Being On Rescue Mission!
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August 09, 2011 CNN http://MOXNews.com/


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New propaganda fail Very Happy

US: Strike kills militants who downed US chopper
'We dealt with them in a kinetic strike,' general explains; military tracked fighters for days

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44088691/ns/world_news-south_and_central_a sia/#.TkKtyGESTh4

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New propaganda fail Very Happy

US: Strike kills militants who downed US chopper
'We dealt with them in a kinetic strike,' general explains; military tracked fighters for days

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44088691/ns/world_news-south_and_central_a sia/#.TkKtyGESTh4


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While officials believe the helicopter was shot down by a rocket-propelled grenade, Allen said the military's investigation into the crash will also review whether small arms fire or other causes contributed to the crash.

Investigators will examine how close the rocket-propelled grenade gunner was to the target — if it was indeed a rocket-propelled grenade that brought the helicopter down, officials close to the special operations community said.


A rocket-propelled grenade is very unlikely to hit a helicopter...
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Kathryn Bigelow Totally Undermining National Security Now

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She wrote, "The moviemakers are getting top-level access to the most classified mission in history" and posited that the movie's release date makes it more or less propaganda: "Just as Obamaland was hoping, the movie is scheduled to open on Oct. 12, 2012 — perfectly timed to give a home-stretch boost to a campaign that has grown tougher."



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White House denies divulging Bin Laden information to film makers

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Thursday, 11 August 2011

Moviemakers producing a film about the US special forces raid that killed Osama bin Laden are getting help from the Pentagon, but the Obama administration dismissed concerns on Wednesday that classified information has been divulged.

The film, focusing on one of President Barack Obama's key successes in office, is due to be released in October 2012, less than a month before the election in which the Democrat is seeking a second term.

Republican Peter King, chairman of the House of Representatives Homeland Security Committee, called on Tuesday for an investigation into contacts between the administration and the filmmakers. King questioned whether special operations methods had been compromised.

"The claims are ridiculous," White House spokesman Jay Carney told a White House briefing.

"We do not discuss classified information. And I would hope that as we face the continued threat from terrorism, the House Committee on Homeland Security would have more important topics to discuss than a movie," Carney added.

US Marine Corps Colonel Dave Lapan, a Pentagon spokesman, said the Defense Department is cooperating with filmmaker Kathryn Bigelow and screenwriter Mark Boal as they work on a motion picture about the raid that killed bin Laden.

The two, who collaborated on the Oscar-winning Iraq war movie "The Hurt Locker," had been developing the bin Laden film even before the al Qaeda leader was killed in May in a raid on a compound in the Pakistani city of Abbottabad.

In a statement, the pair said their movie covered a period of three different U.S. administrations that searched for bin Laden, including those of Presidents Clinton and Bush.

"This was an American triumph, both heroic and non-partisan, and there is no basis to suggest that our film will represent this enormous victory otherwise," Bigelow and Boal said in their joint statement.

The Pentagon has a two-person entertainment media office that assists makers of films, television shows, computer games and other entertainment media targeting mass audiences.

"Mostly when we're contacted by filmmakers they're looking for access to our equipment, our personnel and our installations. Technical advice is kind of a byproduct of that relationship," said Phil Strub, who heads the office.

Reacting to a New York Times column saying the film was timed to give Obama a "home-stretch boost" in his re-election bid, King called for an investigation into the assertion that Bigelow had been given "top-level access to the most classified mission in history."

On the Bigelow film, Lapan said the Defense Department is "providing assistance with script research, which is something we commonly do for established filmmakers." Lapan said the Pentagon attempts to help filmmakers and authors but "we do not discuss classified information."

Carney said information provided to the filmmakers "has been focused on the president's role."

"There is no difference in the information that we've given to anybody who's working on this topic from what we gave to those of you in this room who worked on it in the days and weeks after the raid itself," Carney told reporters.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmmm..... Seals killed off to shut them up about the Abottobad nonsense with Osama Bin Laden?
The ultimate fate of many soldiers ordered to take part in these sorts of black ops.

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Can somebody point me to the best independent and evidence-based re-telling of the Bin Laden Assassination story to rebutt last weekend's Channel 4 TV Docu-Soap?

I can't rely on Duff's Veteran Today accounts - they go off-topic. Basically I need a credible website that discusses:

- CIA agent Osama Bin Laden probably died in 2001
- The attack on the compound included a helicopter failure (as told by local witnesses) - killing occupants of helicopter
- Doubts about the fire-fight account
- US Navy Seals receiving medals (or most probably not) from Obama
- The remaining US Navy Seals involved were lost to an improbable attack scenario in a Chinook in Afghanistan.

(or whatever the best fact story is at the moment!)

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Bin Laden WAS NOT buried at sea, but flown to the U.S. for cremation at secret location, claims intelligence boss in leaked email

Emails purported to be obtained by hacker group Anonymous dispute White House version of terror leader's final resting place
Believed to be part of 2.7million emails obtained from intelligence analysis group Stratfor and shared with WikiLeaks
Stratfor calls hackers 'thieves' and says some emails may have been forged or altered
Revelations come as FBI arrests key members of hacking group LulzSec, an offshoot of Anonymous


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2111001/Bin-Laden-WAS-NOT-buri ed-sea-sent-U-S-cremation-leaked-emails-reveal.html

So FBI led the attack on Stratfor that now say "Bin Laden was NOT buried at sea" - r-i-g-h-t! Rolling Eyes
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I don't suspect that the group are controlled through one informant but...

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After bin Laden's death, a different kind of hunt

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Associated Press= WASHINGTON (AP) — The hunt for Osama bin Laden took nearly a decade. It could take even longer to uncover U.S. government emails, planning reports, photographs and more that would shed light on how an elite team of Navy SEALs killed the world's most wanted terrorist.

Ten months after that electrifying covert mission, an administration that has pledged to be the most transparent in American history is refusing to release documents about it under the Freedom of Information Act. The records could provide insights into how bin Laden died, how the U.S. verified his identity and how it decided to bury him at sea, as well as photographs taken during and after the May 2011 raid on his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

Government officials have openly discussed details of the mission in speeches, interviews and television appearances, but the administration won't disclose records that would confirm their narrative of that fateful night. The Obama administration has not said even where in Washington's bureaucracy all the documents might be stored.

Requests for bin Laden materials were among the most significant of any filed last year under the open records law, which compels the government to turn over copies of federal records for free or at little cost. Anyone who seeks information under the law is generally supposed to get it unless disclosure would hurt national security, violate personal privacy or expose business secrets or confidential decision-making. The law has been the focus of extra attention since Sunday, the start of Sunshine Week, when news organizations promote open government and freedom of information.

Citing the law, The Associated Press asked for files about the raid in more than 20 separate requests, mostly submitted the day after bin Laden's death. The Pentagon told the AP this month it could not locate any photographs or video taken during the raid or showing bin Laden's body. It also said it could not find any images of bin Laden's body on the Navy aircraft carrier where the al-Qaida leader's body was taken.

The Pentagon said it could not find any death certificate, autopsy report or results of DNA identification tests for bin Laden, or any pre-raid materials discussing how the government planned to dispose of bin Laden's body if he were killed. It said it searched files at the Pentagon, U.S. Special Operations Command in Tampa, Fla., and the Navy command in San Diego that controls the USS Carl Vinson, the aircraft carrier used in the mission.

The Defense Department told the AP in late February it could not find any emails about the bin Laden mission or his "Geronimo" code name that were sent or received in the year before the raid by William McRaven, the three-star admiral at the Joint Special Operations Command who organized and oversaw the mission. It also could not find any emails from other senior officers who would have been involved in the mission's planning. It found only three such emails written by or sent to then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates, and these consisted of 12 pages sent to Gates summarizing news reports after the raid.

Under the FOIA, even if a document contains secrets about national security, the government can censor those passages but must release anything else in the document that is "reasonably segregable."

The information blackout means that the only public accounts of the mission come from U.S. officials who have described details of that night. In the hours and days after bin Laden's death, the White House provided conflicting versions of events, falsely saying that bin Laden was armed and even firing at the SEALs, misidentifying which of bin Laden's sons was killed, and incorrectly saying bin Laden's wife died in the shootout. President Barack Obama's press secretary attributed the errors to the "fog of combat."

Since then, no authoritative or contemporaneous records have been made available. For the Obama administration, the book on bin Laden appears to be closed.

The Pentagon is refusing even to confirm or deny the existence of helicopter maintenance logs and reports about the performance of military gear used in the raid. One of the stealth helicopters that carried the SEALs to Abbottabad crashed during the mission and its wreckage was left behind. People who lived near bin Laden's compound took photos of the disabled chopper as it straddled one of the high walls surrounding the building. The photos showed a unique tail rotor that aviation experts said was designed to avoid radar detection.

On the AP's request for the helicopter records and equipment reports, the Defense Department invoked what is known as a "Glomar response." The reference dates to the 1970s when the CIA refused to confirm or deny the existence of the Glomar Explorer, a ship the agency used in the attempted salvage of a sunken Soviet submarine.

The AP is appealing the Defense Department's decision. The CIA, which ran the bin Laden raid and has special legal authority to keep information from ever being made public, still has not responded to AP's request for records about the mission.

The CIA has photographs of video recordings of bin Laden taken during the operation. In the days after the raid, select U.S. lawmakers were invited to visit a secure room at CIA headquarters to view more than a dozen of the images, including pictures of bin Laden's body. They were not allowed to take copies of the photos back to Capitol Hill.

Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., a senior member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said he viewed one photo that showed brain matter coming out of bin Laden's eye socket. Inhofe said others were taken as the body was being prepared for burial at sea and were less jarring. He said Thursday that he favors making at least a few of the less graphic photos public to dispel any doubts that bin Laden is dead.

"There are probably still people out there who don't think he was killed," Inhofe said.

Federal courts consistently have upheld the government's use of the Glomar response, which is different from refusing to disclose materials. Citing Glomar often happens in national security cases or is used to protect an individual's privacy. It's a tough legal claim to beat in court.

The former director of the Justice Department's Office of Information and Privacy, Dan Metcalfe, said the Pentagon overplayed its position. Citing Glomar in AP's case means the fact that the military performs maintenance on helicopters or that it prepares reports about weapons performance is itself classified, he said. The Pentagon's claim is so broad that it "collapses of its own weight," Metcalfe said.

Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog group, has sued the administration in federal court to force the release of photos and video of bin Laden. The AP has not sued to force the government to turn over the broader range of materials it has requested.

In the Judicial Watch lawsuit, federal officials acknowledged that the CIA has more than 50 photographs and video recordings of bin Laden's body taken after the raid and during his burial at sea. The director of the CIA's National Clandestine Service, John Bennett, said in a court declaration last year that many of the photographs and video recordings are "quite graphic, as they depict the fatal bullet wound to (bin Laden) and other similarly gruesome images of his corpse."

Judicial Watch has disputed the Obama administration's argument that American personnel and secrets will be at risk if the images are released. It called the concern over violence against Americans stationed overseas "hypothetical speculation" and said it is hard to understand how a photo of bin Laden being buried at sea would expose sensitive equipment or personnel.

The U.S. Special Operations Command, which oversees the Navy SEALs and other commando units, keeps tight rein on information about their equipment, training and missions. In August 2007, it denied a request by the AP for an internal report on the Battle of Mogadishu, a military operation in Somalia in October 1993 that cost 18 American troops their lives.

The command told AP that the report was still classified, even though the battle, better known as "Black Hawk Down," was the subject of books, a movie and countless military studies. Under AP's appeal, the command eventually released a copy with all but nine of the 73 pages completely blacked out. Most of the information remains secret, the command said, to protect military plans, weapon systems and the privacy of individuals involved.

In other cases, the government has revealed more. Just four months after Operation Eagle Claw, the failed attempt in 1980 to rescue 53 U.S. hostages in Iran, the Pentagon released an unclassified version of an investigation about what went wrong. The forward to the 87-page report noted the importance of providing as much detail as possible to the American public.

More recently, the National Security Archive, a private research institute at George Washington University, waited three years for the government to hand over records describing the military's initial plans for invading Iraq. A series of slides, prepared under the codename Polo Step, showed that war planners believed in August 2002 that the U.S. would have only 5,000 troops left in Iraq by December 2006.

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Online:

U.S. Special Operations Command: http://www.socom.mil/default.aspx

National Security Archive: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/


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How timely ...

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Osama bin Laden 'ordered al-Qaeda to kill Barack Obama and David Petraeus'

Osama bin Laden ordered cells in Afghanistan and Pakistan to shoot down a plane carrying Barack Obama and Gen David Petraeus, it was reported on Friday.

By Barney Henderson

3:58PM GMT 16 Mar 2012

According to a document retreived from the compound where bin Laden was shot dead by US Navy Seals last May, the al-Qaeda leader also told his deputy Atiyah Abd al-Rahman to focus attacks with the US rather than in Muslim nations.

Bin Laden told Rahman that without Mr Obama, the US would be thrown into "crisis" because Vice President Joe Biden was "unprepared" for the job, the Washington Post reported. He also showed apparent regard for Petraeus.

“The reason for concentrating on them,” bin Laden wrote in the 48-page document, “is that Obama is the head of infidelity and killing him automatically will make (Vice President Joe) Biden take over the presidency. … Biden is totally unprepared for that post, which will lead the U.S. into a crisis. As for Petraeus, he is the man of the hour … and killing him would alter the war's path” in Afghanistan.

Bin Laden instructed Rahman to use Pakistani terrorist Ilyas Kashmiri for the attack - full details of which emerged for the first time on Friday. Kashmri was killed in a US drone strike in South Waziristan on June 2, 2011.

“Please ask brother Ilyas to send me the steps he has taken into that work,” he wrote.
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Bin Laden stated that "every effort" should be spent on planning and executing attacks within America. He instructed Rahman to “ask the brothers in all regions if they have a brother … who can operate in the U.S. [He should be able to] live there, or it should be easy for him to travel there.”

He noted several problems in al-Qaeda's media strategy. The Obama administration “have largely stopped using the phrase ‘the war on terror’ in the context of not wanting to provoke Muslims,” he noted, instead they were increasingly phrasing the war as against al-Qaeda, apparently damaging its name amongst Muslims.

Bin Laden proposed several alternative names for al-Qaeda, the first suggestion being “Taifat al-tawhid wal-jihad,” or Monotheism and Jihad Group.

The group hoped to launch an attack on the 10 year anniversary of the war in Afghanistan on Sep 11 2011. Adam Gadahn, one of bin Laden's advisers told him which television stations would be the best vehicle for an anniversary video.

“It should be sent for example to ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN and maybe PBS and VOA. As for Fox News let her die in her anger,” Gadahn wrote.

“From a professional point of view, they are all on one level — except (Fox News) channel, which falls into the abyss as you know, and lacks objectivity, too.”

US officials stated the plot against Obama and Petraeus was not seen as a serious threat.

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Can somebody point me to the best independent and evidence-based re-telling of the Bin Laden Assassination story to rebutt last weekend's Channel 4 TV Docu-Soap?

I can't rely on Duff's Veteran Today accounts - they go off-topic. Basically I need a credible website that discusses:

- CIA agent Osama Bin Laden probably died in 2001
- The attack on the compound included a helicopter failure (as told by local witnesses) - killing occupants of helicopter
- Doubts about the fire-fight account
- US Navy Seals receiving medals (or most probably not) from Obama
- The remaining US Navy Seals involved were lost to an improbable attack scenario in a Chinook in Afghanistan.

(or whatever the best fact story is at the moment!)

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The information put out by the White House about the killing of Osama Bin Laden is a DELIBERATE LIE! OSAMA BIN LADEN HAS BEEN DEAD SINCE DECEMBER 2001 and is buried somewhere in the Tora Bora Mountains of Pakistan!!! Twisted Evil

What took place in Pakistan in May 2011 was nothing more than a political stunt to try and boost Obama's lagging approval rating.
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Sabrewolf wrote:
scienceplease 2 wrote:
Can somebody point me to the best independent and evidence-based re-telling of the Bin Laden Assassination story to rebutt last weekend's Channel 4 TV Docu-Soap?

I can't rely on Duff's Veteran Today accounts - they go off-topic. Basically I need a credible website that discusses:

- CIA agent Osama Bin Laden probably died in 2001
- The attack on the compound included a helicopter failure (as told by local witnesses) - killing occupants of helicopter
- Doubts about the fire-fight account
- US Navy Seals receiving medals (or most probably not) from Obama
- The remaining US Navy Seals involved were lost to an improbable attack scenario in a Chinook in Afghanistan.

(or whatever the best fact story is at the moment!)

Rolling Eyes


The information put out by the White House about the killing of Osama Bin Laden is a DELIBERATE LIE! OSAMA BIN LADEN HAS BEEN DEAD SINCE DECEMBER 2001 and is buried somewhere in the Tora Bora Mountains of Pakistan!!! Twisted Evil

What took place in Pakistan in May 2011 was nothing more than a political stunt to try and boost Obama's lagging approval rating.


Hi Sabrewolf,

Thanks for the enthusiasm. I am somewhat aware of this point of view. I was looking for videos of the locals poo-pooing the official story, the landlord (not OBL) watching the tele and the Navy Seal helicopter crash.

Cheers


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Kevin Barrett:

"Death of Bin Laden": A Spectral Human Sacrifice

References DRG's essay


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2131217/Osama-Bin-Laden-s-wive s-daughters-grandchild-deported-Saudi-Arabia-TONIGHT-ending-house-arre st.html
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Osama Bin Laden’s three wives, eight daughters and one grandchild will be deported to Saudi Arabia TONIGHT after ending house arrest

Dead terrorist leader's family can be expelled any time 'after midnight'
Unclear if widow from Yemeni will be transported on to her own country of origin

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PUBLISHED: 21:11, 17 April 2012 | UPDATED: 21:28, 17 April 2012

Twelve members of Osama Bin Laden's family will be deported from Pakistan after midnight tonight.

Bin Laden's three widows, their eight children and one grandchild will be sent to Saudia Arabia, after admitting entering Pakistan illegally.

The family's lawyer Muhammad Aamir told AFP on Tuesday: 'They will go tonight or tomorrow early in the morning. After 12 tonight they can be deported any time.'
Leaving Pakistan: Osama Bin Laden's wife Amal Ahmed Abdul Fateh is one of three of his widows being deported from Pakistan
Osama Bin Laden's wives are to be deported from Pakistan to Saudi Arabia

Leaving Pakistan: Amal Ahmed Abdul Fateh, from Yemeni (pictured), is one of Osama Bin Laden's three widows who is now due to be deported from the Asian country

Two of the terrorist leader's former wives - Khairiah Sabar and Siham Sabar - will be sent to Saudi Arabia.

The third, Amal Ahmed Abdul Fateh, will join them, but may later be moved on to her native Yemen with her five children.

A Pakistani intelligence official confirmed the deportation would take place 'sometime around midnight' and said 'most likely they would be flown to Saudi Arabia'.

All three widows, along with Bin Laden's 17 and 21 year old daughters, were placed under house arrest earlier this month having pleaded guilty to living illegally in Pakistan.
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Pentagon admits it has no photo evidence of Bin Laden's death
By Elliott Freeman
May 1, 2012
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/323364

Pentagon officials recently disclosed to the Associated Press (AP) that they could not find any photo or video evidence to confirm that Al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden was killed in the Navy Seal raid in Pakistan a year ago.
AP has submitted more than 20 requests for information surrounding the raid on Bin Laden’s Abbottabad compound to the U.S. Government under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).
In response to the request for visual evidence of Bin Laden’s death, the Pentagon stated that it could not find any pictures or video footage of the raid itself or of Bin Laden’s dead body. It also told AP it could not locate any images of Bin Laden’s body that were taken on the U.S.S. Carl Vinson, the Navy aircraft carrier that reportedly lowered him into the sea after his death.
In addition, the Pentagon admitted that it could not find an autopsy report, death certificate or results of a DNA identification test for Bin Laden, in spite of claims made by President Obama and reported by CBC News that a DNA test was performed.
These admissions follow a related FOIA response by the Department of Defense in February, in which it stated that it had no emails concerning the Bin Laden raid that were sent prior to its execution.
The Atlantic Wire reported in February that the CIA claimed it had visual proof of Bin Laden’s death, but the Pentagon’s admission that it does not have any evidence of this kind still raises significant questions, since its jurisdiction includes the Navy Seals that conducted the raid and the Navy ship that buried Bin Laden at sea.
The latest revelation drew the suspicion of Lt. Col. Robert Bowman (ret.), the former director of Advanced Space Programs Development for the U.S. Air Force. “It makes the official story sound very fishy,” Bowman said in an interview with Digital Journal. “Without proof, I’m not buying it carte blanche.”
Bowman also pointed to the reports that Bin Laden died in 2001 or 2002, which have been supported by former FBI counter-terrorism chief Dale Watson, former assistant Secretary of State Steve Pieczenik, former U.S. foreign intelligence officer Angelo Codevilla and other intelligence experts. “This smacks of a cover-up,” Bowman added.
Some organizations contend that the cover-up extends beyond the Bin Laden raid, including Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, a group of over 1,600 technical professionals that is calling for a new 9/11 investigation. "The raid is not the only part of the Bin Laden narrative that doesn't add up," said founder Richard Gage, AIA. "It's also highly unlikely that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda had access to plant the explosives that brought down the Twin Towers and Building 7."
Meanwhile, President Obama called for a time of remembrance and contemplation on the anniversary of the raid. "I think for us to use that time for some reflection, to give thanks to those who participated is entirely appropriate, and that’s what’s been taking place," he said on Monday, according to McClatchy News. It remains to be seen how the public will reflect on the lack of credible evidence surrounding the demise of the world’s most wanted terrorist.

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Now we know what it's like to live in Stalinist Russia as the 'consensus news stories' of the mainstream press veer so far from the real world. Building lies upon lies and more lies.
I'm sure philosophers and moral thinkers have seen this all coming but now I know why the main military objectives these days are often radio & TV broadcasting stations. Whoever who controls them controls the people's ability to fight back against fascism and tyranny.
Except naked, out in Tahrir Square, where I guess many of us will be forced to head.

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Pentagon admits it has no photo evidence of Bin Laden's death
By Elliott Freeman
May 1, 2012
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/323364

Pentagon officials recently disclosed to the Associated Press (AP) that they could not find any photo or video evidence to confirm that Al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden was killed in the Navy Seal raid in Pakistan a year ago.
AP has submitted more than 20 requests for information surrounding the raid on Bin Laden’s Abbottabad compound to the U.S. Government under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).
In response to the request for visual evidence of Bin Laden’s death, the Pentagon stated that it could not find any pictures or video footage of the raid itself or of Bin Laden’s dead body. It also told AP it could not locate any images of Bin Laden’s body that were taken on the U.S.S. Carl Vinson, the Navy aircraft carrier that reportedly lowered him into the sea after his death.
In addition, the Pentagon admitted that it could not find an autopsy report, death certificate or results of a DNA identification test for Bin Laden, in spite of claims made by President Obama and reported by CBC News that a DNA test was performed.
These admissions follow a related FOIA response by the Department of Defense in February, in which it stated that it had no emails concerning the Bin Laden raid that were sent prior to its execution.
The Atlantic Wire reported in February that the CIA claimed it had visual proof of Bin Laden’s death, but the Pentagon’s admission that it does not have any evidence of this kind still raises significant questions, since its jurisdiction includes the Navy Seals that conducted the raid and the Navy ship that buried Bin Laden at sea.
The latest revelation drew the suspicion of Lt. Col. Robert Bowman (ret.), the former director of Advanced Space Programs Development for the U.S. Air Force. “It makes the official story sound very fishy,” Bowman said in an interview with Digital Journal. “Without proof, I’m not buying it carte blanche.”
Bowman also pointed to the reports that Bin Laden died in 2001 or 2002, which have been supported by former FBI counter-terrorism chief Dale Watson, former assistant Secretary of State Steve Pieczenik, former U.S. foreign intelligence officer Angelo Codevilla and other intelligence experts. “This smacks of a cover-up,” Bowman added.
Some organizations contend that the cover-up extends beyond the Bin Laden raid, including Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, a group of over 1,600 technical professionals that is calling for a new 9/11 investigation. "The raid is not the only part of the Bin Laden narrative that doesn't add up," said founder Richard Gage, AIA. "It's also highly unlikely that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda had access to plant the explosives that brought down the Twin Towers and Building 7."
Meanwhile, President Obama called for a time of remembrance and contemplation on the anniversary of the raid. "I think for us to use that time for some reflection, to give thanks to those who participated is entirely appropriate, and that’s what’s been taking place," he said on Monday, according to McClatchy News. It remains to be seen how the public will reflect on the lack of credible evidence surrounding the demise of the world’s most wanted terrorist.


Extraordinary! While the MSM reports OBL had plans for 9/11 Part 2 and assassination of Obama they completely fail to mention this er... bombshell - that there isn't any evidence - no photos, no video, no nothing - even any evidence that DNA analysis has been done!!! (The supposed clinching piece of evidence!) Rolling Eyes
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TonyGosling wrote:
Now we know what it's like to live in Stalinist Russia as the 'consensus news stories' of the mainstream press veer so far from the real world. Building lies upon lies and more lies.
I'm sure philosophers and moral thinkers have seen this all coming but now I know why the main military objectives these days are often radio & TV broadcasting stations. Whoever who controls them controls the people's ability to fight back against fascism and tyranny.
Except naked, out in Tahrir Square, where I guess many of us will be forced to head.


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