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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Monbiot after years of good work
has joined the sneering elite.


No.

Monbiot has not switched sides.

The great thing is, these shills, sleepers, traitors in our midst are FORCED to come out in support of the government on 911, no matter what ingratiating (to the 'left' usually) claptrap they have previously espoused.

It's an ill wind...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since the publication of George Monbiot's article in Tuesday's edition of The Guardian, there have been 1000+ responses posted on the Guardian comments page: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2006831,00.html

Those representing the 9/11 Truth Community have maintained an appropriate level of decorum against much provocation! Many apparently neutral contributors have commented at the difference between civil approach adopted by the Truthers, versus the persistent vitriol and ad hominem attacks dished out by defenders of the OCT. Thanks to Dr. Hemp, Justin, Spiv, Alkmyst, Numeral, Mark Gobell, Ian Henshall and a host of others, for your efforts in presenting the case for 9/11 Truth with such educated & informed aplomb.

I think I'm going to call it a day now, so the following will probably be my last post on this particular Guardian thread:
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Greg Norton:
"And my wager still stands -- 100/1 in your favour, I say no concrete proof of this so-called conspiracy will emerge in the next 20 years. Not a jot."

Rather unfair odds ... against yourself! A discerning review of the posts on this thread, assuming a modicum of objevtivity, would reveal that the evidence is already in plain site ... for those that have the eyes to see!

To ignore the plethora of evidence negating the OCT might be described by some as a symptom of severe cognitive dissonance. However, I would be more charitable and simply acknowledge that those maintaining an existential commitment to the OCT are products of an education system, intent on shutting down the development of independent thought.

The exponential growth of the 9/11 Truth Campaign and even the publication of George Monbiot's essay in the mainstream media, are indicators that this issue is taking a very real hold in the wider consciousness.

How long can the National Media continue to ignore the growing interest in William Rodriguez' UK tour? Local Radio Stations(incl. BBC), local & regional newspapers are clamouring for interviews with him. If there were truly a 'free' press in the UK, it would be reasonable to assume that Rodriguez' presence and his message would at least be reported upon; regardless of the implications and/or potential ramifications.

It is not a case of 'if' the falsehoods of 9/11 become accepted wisdom, it is 'when' ... and that might just be sooner than you think!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes perhaps George did have a Devil's Advocate agenda in getting such a badly researched and poorly presented article such as might get under the editorial censor
Though his articles mostly back up the Rockefeller agenda they are usually well researched and introduce titbits of knowledge not too well known
He usually reserves his vitriol for the powerful
And he's jerked innumerable fans of his to look at Loose Change as well as riling a considerable percentage of the Guardian readership
Well done George, conscious or not

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scubadiver wrote:
Comment near to the bottom of the page. This person sides with the movement but remains quite objective and balanced:

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ps: Having followed some of what Moby's written over the past few years, I'd like to think this hit piece is actually a cunningly subversive attempt to stimulate debate without committing professional suicide by (gasp!) admitting that there may be some very startling realities swilling around at the bottom of the Truth Movement's big barrel of wild claims.

What did it for me was the last para - Moby's claim that the 'only possible explanation' for why the US Government doesn't go around capping everyone who accuses them of complicity is that these claims are pure fantasy: which is the sort of facile nonsense that I wouldn't expect him to be capable of. Ergo, he's having us all on. And it's worked, too. Sort of. Smart chap, eh?


My heart sank at the publication of Monbiot's article. Keith Mothersson and I had met him at the G8 alternative summit gathering near Gleneagles in July 2005 and chatted briefly with him about 9/11. At that time he seemed open-minded about the topic, so I felt surprise and disappointment at the content of his article.

But the public response to it has been heartwarming. I have written to thank Elias Davidsson for his excellent letter in the Guardian. I think George Monbiot has done us a favour, whether intentionally: I wouldn't like to speculate.

I agree with Snowy Grouch's:

"Dont be too hard on Mobiot; I suspect he's been fed some 'rotten fish' if you know what I mean."

Yes, I am sure there is a dirty tricks programme being carried out against this campaign. Various of our opponents have claimed they have been sent abusive e-mails and even death threats from us. The powers of darkness may well be sending them death threats purporting to come from us, in order to set them up against us.

Also we know that some of our staunch supporters are capable of saying and writing counterproductive things: anti-semitic, Islamophobic, fascistic etc. I have just been shown a nasty angry letter someone has sent to George Monbiot, which in my view will be counterproductive. But in a loose network such as ours it is inevitable that some people will write ill-judged things.

Despite that, we are making steady progress and correspondence in the Guardian is a break-through.

Well done all who have contributed to achieving this.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:48 pm    Post subject: Monbiot Thread Reply with quote

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What is necessary to awaken a sleeping man? A good shock is necessary. But when a man is fast asleep one shock is not enough. A long period of continual shocks is needed. Consequently, there must be somebody to administer these shocks.

There is also the possibility of being awakened by an alarm clock. But the trouble is that one gets accustomed to the alarm clock far too quickly, he ceases to hear it. Many alarm clocks are necessary and always new ones. Otherwise a man must surround himself with alarm clocks to prevent him sleeping. But here there are certain difficulties. Alarm clocks must be wound up, in order to wind them up one must remember about them; in order to remember one must wake up often. But what is still worse, a man gets used to all alarm clocks and after a certain time he actually sleeps better because of them.

Therefore alarm clocks must be constantly changed, new ones must be continually invented. In the course of time this may help a man to awaken. But there is very little chance of a man doing all the winding up, inventing, and changing clocks all by himself, without outside help.

Therefore, in order to awaken, a combination of effort is required. To obtain results a certain number of people must work together.

One man alone can do nothing.

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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

George Monbiot now as much as talking about voting for his father's Tory party?!?!
Has he done a Nick Cohen?



http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2008/05/20/nothing-left-to-fight-for/
Nothing Left to Fight For
The most rightwing government Britain has had since the Second World War does not deserve to be re-elected.
By George Monbiot. Published in the Guardian 20th May 2008.
You can hear the wringing of hands and tearing of cloth all the way down Farringdon Road. Dismayed by the results of the local elections, convinced that Labour will be crushed in the byelection on Thursday, afraid that this will presage disaster in the next general election, my fellow columnists are predicting the end of the civilised world. But I can’t understand why we should care.
Yes, I worry about what the Tories might do when they get in. I also worry about what Labour might do if it wins another term. Why should anyone on the left seek the re-election of the most rightwing government Britain has had since the second world war?
New Labour’s apologists keep reminding us of the redistributive policies it has introduced: Sure Start children’s centres, reductions in child poverty, raising the school leaving age, the national minimum wage, flexible hours for parents and carers, better conditions for part-time workers, the Decent Homes programme, free museums, more foreign aid. All these are real achievements and deserve to be celebrated. But the catalogue of failures, backsliding and outright destruction is much longer and more consequential.
One fact alone should disqualify this government from office: we have a cabinet of war criminals. The Nuremberg Tribunal characterised a war of aggression as “the supreme international crime.” It is not just that Britain’s Labour government launched and has sustained an unprovoked war, it also sabotaged all means of achieving a peaceful resolution. In April 2002 it helped the Bush administration to sack Jose Bustani, the head of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, in order to prevent him from settling the dispute over Iraq’s alleged weapons of mass destruction. In two separate offers before the invasion began, Saddam Hussein agreed to meet the terms the US and Britain were demanding. But they slapped him down and concealed his offers from their electorates..................

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In two separate offers before the invasion began, Saddam Hussein agreed to meet the terms the US and Britain were demanding. But they slapped him down and concealed his offers from their electorates


Can this be verified? Sounds like political dynamite to me.
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well there was this:

"Saddam Offered Exile, But Neo–Cons Unleashed Carnage Anyway"

http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/jackmorgan/entry/saddam_offered_exile/
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scienceplease wrote:
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In two separate offers before the invasion began, Saddam Hussein agreed to meet the terms the US and Britain were demanding. But they slapped him down and concealed his offers from their electorates


Can this be verified? Sounds like political dynamite to me.


Sept 16 2002

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/09/16/iraq.un.letter/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2262666.stm
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22september+16+2002%22+iraq+%2 2weapons+inspections%22&meta=

Nov 13 2002

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22november+13+2002%22+iraq+%22 weapons+inspections%22&meta=
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2465463.stm

Chronology
http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/iraqchron.asp
http://www.fas.org/man/crs/RL31671.pdf
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

George Monbiot sure is an interesting guy - in some ways unfathomable - what he is doing here is truly brilliant!

So good the censors removed it from Bristol Indymedia website
http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/688386

George Monbiot plans to arrest John Bolton
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/05/399562.html

The arrest is happening at about 7.30 after Bolton's talk here at CafeDirect Cafe, The Drill Hall, 25 Lion Street, Hay-on-Wye, HR3 5AD
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=HR3+5AD

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally i think this is a PR stunt.
Nobody is the least bit interested in buying Bolton's book anyway. Monboit is working for a pro war pro Labour spinsheet so it is Brown and Blair and others close to home he should be aiming for.
I bet Monboit does not show up but some anti war people might which might help to publicise the book.
Monboit is probably doing John Bolton a favour.

You can guess i am not nor ever have been a Monboit fan.

Anyway George Bush is coming to London very soon he is the real one to arrest and send to the Hague.

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karlos wrote:
Anyway George Bush is coming to London very soon he is the real one to arrest and send to the Hague.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More interesting material on George Monbiot - fascinating

Climategate: George Monbiot, the Guardian and Big Oil
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100019523/climategat e-george-monbiot-is-in-the-pay-of-big-oil/
.....The other day, following our debate, Monbiot gloated that debating me was like “shooting rats in a bucket.” Is that so? Well I’d say that trying to argue with someone who plays as fast and loose with the truth as George Monbiot is like trying to wrestle an electric eel smeared with KY jelly.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Useful idiots who undermine dissent on Syria':
http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2017-07-03/useful-idiots-who-undermi ne-dissent-on-syria/

'....A good example of this kind of wilful misrepresentation is by Brian Whitaker, the Guardian’s former Middle East editor. In a recent blog post, he has accused me and Media Lens, among others, of being “loyal supporters of Hersh” – and by insinuation, of Syrian leader Bashar Assad – of being “sarin denialists”, and of demonstrating blatant hypocrisy in approving Hersh’s use of anonymous sources when we oppose reliance on such sources by other journalists.

Before I address these criticisms, let’s briefly recap on what Hersh’s investigation found.

His sources in the US intelligence establishment have countered an official narrative – spread by western governments and the corporate media – that assumes Assad was behind a chemical weapons attack on the town of Khan Sheikhoun on April 4. Hersh’s account suggests that Syria used a conventional bomb to hit a jihadist meeting in the town, triggering secondary explosions in a storage depot containing pesticides, fertilisers and chlorine-based decontaminants. A toxic cloud was created that caused symptoms similar to sarin for those nearby.

Trump was so convinced that Assad had used sarin in Khan Sheikhoun that he violated international law and fired 59 Tomahawk missiles at a Syrian airbase as punishment, even though, according to Hersh, his own intelligence community disputed that this is what had happened. Given that Vladimir Putin is closely allied with Assad, the move had the potential to drag Russia into a dangerous confrontation with the US.

Loyal only to fair debate
So let me address Whitaker’s allegations.

1. Neither I nor Media Lens are “loyal supporters” of Hersh – or Assad. Whitaker is projecting. He has chosen a side in Syria – that of what he simplistically terms the “rebels”, now dominated by Al-Qaeda affiliates and ISIS, backed by an unholy alliance of Saudi Arabia, the US, Europe, Israel and Turkey. But not everyone who opposes the Islamic extremists, or Whitaker’s group of western interventionists, has therefore chosen Assad’s side.

One can choose the side of international law and respect for the sovereignty of nation-states, and object to states fomenting proxy wars to destabilise and destroy other regimes.

More than that, one can choose to maintain a critical distance and, based on experience, remain extremely wary of official and self-serving narratives promoted by the world’s most powerful states. Some of us think there are lessons to be learnt from the lies we were told about WMD in Iraq, or a supposedly imminent massacre by Libya’s Muammar Gaddafi in Benghazi.

These examples of deception should be remembered when we try to assess how probable is the story that Assad wanted to invite yet more destructive interference in his country from foreign powers by gassing his own people – and to no obvious strategic or military advantage. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me three times, I should just admit I am a gullible fool.

I and Media Lens (if I may presume to speak on their behalf as a longtime follower) are not arguing that Hersh’s account must be right. Just that it deserves attention, and that it should be part of the media / public discourse. What concerns us is the inadmissibility of relevant information to the public realm, and concerted efforts to stifle debate. Manufactured groupthink, it has been repeatedly shown, works to the benefit of the powerful, those promoting the destructive interests of a now-global military-industrial complex......'

'....Like Whitaker, George Monbiot, also of the Guardian, has been policing debates about Syria in an attempt to intimidate and silence anyone who questions the official narrative.

Today, on Twitter, he accused me, Media Lens and Prof Ted Postol of “whitewashing mass murder”. Why? Presumably in my case, because I have tried to publicise credible alternative narratives, like the one above, that have been blacked out by the corporate media, and because, in keeping with my views on Herman and Chomsky’s Propaganda Model, I have highlighted Syria as a prominent test case of whether the corporate media is willing to give a platform to such counter-narratives.....'

The whole article is well worth reading.

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Shilling for Israel again
and here for the EU
Lake District becoming UNESCO world heritage site DESPITE George Monbiot's best efforts

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