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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Independent Swiss Lab Says 'BZ Toxin' Used In Skripal Poisoning; US/UK-Produced, Not Russian
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-14/independent-swiss-lab-says-b z-toxin-used-skripal-poisoning-usuk-produced-not


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Somebody has some explaining to do... or did the Syrian airstrikes just 'distract' the citizenry from the reality surrounding the Skripal poisoning.



Remember how we were told my the politicians (not the scientists) that a deadly Novichok nerve agent - produced by Russia - was used in the attempted assassination of the Skripals? Remember the 50 questions (here and here) we had surrounding the 'facts' as Theresa May had laid them out? Ever wonder why, given how utterly deadly we were told this chemical was, the Skripals wondered around for a few hours after being 'infected' and then days later, survived with no chronic damage?

Well those doubts may well have just been answered as according to the independent Swiss state Spiez lab, the substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, which was never produced in Russia, but was in service in the US, UK, and other NATO states.



RT reports that Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said, citing the results of the examination conducted by a Swiss chemical lab that worked with the samples that London handed over to the Organisation for the Prohibition of the Chemical Weapons (OPCW), that Sergei Skripal, a former Russian double agent, and his daughter Yulia were poisoned with an incapacitating toxin known as 3-Quinuclidinyl benzilate or BZ.

The Swiss center sent the results to the OPCW.

However, the UN chemical watchdog limited itself only to confirming the formula of the substance used to poison the Skripals in its final report without mentioning anything about the other facts presented in the Swiss document, the Russian foreign minister added.

He went on to say that Moscow would ask the OPCW about its decision to not include any other information provided by the Swiss in its report.

On a side note, the Swiss lab is also an internationally recognized center of excellence in the field of the nuclear, biological, and chemical protection and is one of the five centers permanently authorized by the OPCW.



The Russian foreign minister said that London refused to answer dozens of “very specific” questions asked by Moscow about the Salisbury case, as well as to provide any substantial evidence that could shed light on the incident.

Instead, the UK accused Russia of failing to answer its own questions, he said, adding that, in fact, London did not ask any questions but wanted Moscow to admit that it was responsible for the delivery of the chemical agent to the UK.

But hey, who cares about any of that? Diplomats have been sent home, Putin has been anointed Hitler, and besides, what about those missiles in Syria?



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rothschild, Milner, Rhodes' Chatham House leading the narrative from the beginning

How Britain Can Respond to the Skripal Attack

https://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/how-britain-can-respond-sk ripal-attack

12 March 2018
Nigel Gould-Davies and James Nixey outline the principles that should guide the UK’s actions following the attempted assassination.
Dr Nigel Gould-Davies
Associate Fellow, Russia and Eurasia Programme
James Nixey
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If confirmed, the attack on double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter would be the second known Russian state-sponsored murder in the UK, following the murder of Alexander Litvinenko in 2006. Other suspicious cases are now being reopened.

What principles should guide an effective response?

Effective measures are more than symbolic. They impose costs that punish unacceptable actions and deter future ones. The UK’s response to Litvinenko’s death – expelling four diplomats, imposing visa restrictions for officials, and suspending security service liaison – was clearly not sufficient enough to deter the latest attack. Symbols matter, but only if they credibly convey intentions about the consequences of further action.

Measures should be costly in smart ways, targeted at those who bear responsibility for Russian policy or directly benefit from them. Where possible, they should limit disruption to relationships that support other UK goals, such as long-term engagement with ordinary Russians. An appropriately hard line towards the Russian state is emphatically not Russophobic.

Any significant measures will incur, as well as impose, costs. This is inevitable, since they will disrupt existing, mutually-beneficial arrangements. But special pleading should not trump the broader national interest. An effective response is never a free lunch.
What do these principles imply for possible responses to the attempted murder of the Skripals?

Diplomatic sanctions. Expelling known Russian intelligence operatives under diplomatic, or other, cover will reduce Russia’s ability to mount future operations of this kind. But a more general cut in Russian embassy staff, or expulsion of the ambassador, would be merely symbolic, serve no purpose and invite a tit-for-tat response.

World Cup boycott. This is merely symbolic, domestically unpopular and unlikely to be emulated by others. At most, it would be a temporary embarrassment for Russia with no lasting effects. A protocol response is appropriate: palace and senior ministers should not attend key World Cup events. But there is little gain, and no long-term cost, in not sending the England team.

Dealing with fake news outlets. In a report published a year before the Salisbury attack, the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee noted that ‘the rise of fake news in the UK is a real concern…The UK regulator should continue to take action against examples of outright falsehoods in Russian state-sponsored broadcasting.’

The spread of fake news – especially from RT and Sputnik, and through social media – benefits no one in the UK and has no UK counterpart in Russia. While regulators punish specific infractions, robust action has been inhibited by the belief that the ‘best defence against disinformation is a robust, free, wide, and varied media landscape’. This admirable principle is no longer adequate in meeting the security challenge Russia poses.

Effective financial sanctions. Britain has long been the most important centre for Kremlin-connected oligarchs seeking to legitimate their wealth. This benefits key figures and networks that support, are complicit in or help implement Russian policy.

Western sanctions have not impaired Russia's enjoyment of UK financial and legal services. Last November, oligarch and close Putin confidant Oleg Deripaska listed shares of his company EN+ in London. Most of the capital raised was used to repay a loan to VTB, a Russian state bank subject to Western financial sanctions.

Britain should now apply current financial regulations robustly and effectively. These include newly-strengthened civil asset recovery powers, Unexplained Wealth Orders, money-laundering investigations and ‘know your customer’ rules in banking and property.
What additional steps should the UK take?

The UK government should widen its range of sanctioning powers. One obvious way is to pass a version of the Magnitsky Act. First adopted by the United States, this imposes asset freezes and travel bans on figures complicit in human rights abuses and large-scale corruption. Given the scale of Russian assets in the UK, this would be a potent symbolic and substantive measure.

Britain could also conduct an exercise similar to that mandated by Articles 241–242 of the US Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act, passed overwhelmingly by the US Congress last year. These require the implications of sanctioning key Kremlin-connected figures, and of expanding financial sanctions on Russia, to be set out. Like the Magnitsky Act, it is deeply unwelcome to the Russian authorities and would signal Britain’s resolve to respond further if necessary.

The power of Russian cyber intelligence-gathering and cyber interference to disrupt Western systems have been evident for some time. The recent release of Russian malware to knock out Ukrainian systems affected UK organizations too. Britain should be ready to respond robustly if this recurs.

Britain must coordinate its response closely with NATO and the European Union – the latter in an effective post-Brexit framework. A continent-wide solidarity with no prospect of easing current sanctions, and every prospect of tightening them, is as important as any measure the UK adopts on its own. A future ‘deep and special relationship’ with the EU must, at a minimum, include a common response to a country that (if confirmed) has carried out what is now being treated as a terrorist attack on European soil.

Keys to an effective response

For too long Britain has sought to meet a skilful and growing Russian state threat while servicing the interests of its major beneficiaries. This contradiction is no longer strategically or ethically sustainable. A whole-of-government approach to Russian policy is long overdue, one that would coordinate the many strands of the Russia relationship in a clear and consistent framework.

Britain does not lack options. The key question is whether it has the political will to use them. An effective response should:

Focus on real and lasting effects, not ‘newsy’ symbols or one-off measures;
Combat the use of fake news and elite assets in the UK that sustain Russia’s system and undermine others;
Develop a properly joined-up Russia strategy that is more, not less, than the sum of its parts;
Prioritize a common post-Brexit Russia policy with the EU;
Respond effectively to interests, at home as well as abroad, that seek to maintain the status quo.
Russia will now watch the UK closely for clues to its resolve. A weak response will invite further threats to British security.


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TonyGosling wrote:
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John Lough and James Sherr

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ref your report today:-

https://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/skripal-attack-test-uk




The Skripal Attack Is a Test for the UK

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Therein you have started off by saying:-

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There can be little doubt that the Russian government is behind the attempted assassination of double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter.

While there were the typical official denials, the Russian state has ways of communicating its innocence to foreign governments. In this case, it has not done so.

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There is another possibility.

Namely that the whole gas attack is being stage managed by the backroom boys at Tory Party HQ so as to be a media distraction away from Brexit ..at least until after the Easter recess.

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The Government of Theresa May lost its overall majority in Parliament at the last General election.

Now that the DUP seem to be lining-up with the EU and against the Tory Government in Parliament, there is a risk of the Tory Government losing a vote in Parliament, and with the Party being split collapsing for all time.

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Alternatively if Theresa May stands down quietly forthwith at the start of the Easter recess and a hard line Brexiteer like Jacob Rees-Mogg MP takes over the leadership, then he can get the support of Tory MPs for the survival of the Party - regardless.

He can rule out there needing to be a second referendum.

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One must not forget how in 1962, when the Tory Party was being torn apart by Profumo scandal,it was only saved by the media being distracted of the Great Train Robbery.

It allowed Harold Macmillan to quit quietly and Alec Douglas Home takeover as the new Prime Minister..

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This time also during the brief gap during the handover from Theresa May to Jacob , the assets of the WMD arms dealer John Bredenkamp can be quietly unfrozen.

He has many creditors within the Tory Party

Countries on his customer list are also hostile to Israel, Russia and China.

The UBS bullion bond copied below carries a reference number of June 2012.

ie when the cash value of the Gold to which John Bredenkamp holds title was the stated £89.7 million pounds sterling....[1]

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Incidentally , North Korea tested an ex-USAF plutonium warhead on 9th Oct 2006 by making it fizzle.

The total number of type W69 warheads that went astray in the wake of a largely unreported and catastrophic event with a B52 bomber could have been a maximum number of eight.

John Bredenkamp's Rhodesian mob were able to come by many of them.

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To begin to get onto that wavelength you could watch the DVD ......The Sum of All Fears.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Summary:

The agent used on the Skripals was not Novichok but was BZ which is incapacitating but you recover in a day or 2. BZ is in the arsenal of the UK and US Armies but not Russia. The very pure Novichok was added later so that it was in the mix that went to the OPCW. This was reported by the Swiss Spietz lab but was not reported by OPCW. The lab was concerned that there was a lot of A234 Novichok in the sample when the stuff is volatile and could not have survived the time between the Skripal poisoning and the lab measurements. Furthermore, at the concentration and purity found contact would have been fatal, but the Skripals did not die. This was thus clearly a black operation presumably by the CIA/MI6. There was no poison gas attack in Damascus. Robert Fisk visited there and interviewed the locals including doctors and nurses at the alleged gas attack site. I trust Robert Fisk, I have worked with him in the past. He reported my stuff from Iraq and I also worked with him identifying DU in the Balkans war.

The stuff about months to decontaminate is theatricals for the media.

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156355955732451&id=693 467450

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