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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And since when do ambulance personnel assume the role of bomb disposal experts ?

Why would a paramedic, having allegedly spotted a smoking car, open the car and remove a mobile phone ?

Surely the correct response to a suspicious vehicle is to radio in to notify the police and fire brigade.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps they thought someone was in the car and went to help them?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was *not* a bomb.

Period.

Some may want to spin it as a 'bomb', but this doesn't change the fact that it was not.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Hannah, we should wait to see what comes out in the next few days before jumping to any conclusions. After becoming aware of the truth about 9/11 it is too easy to think that every attempted bombing is another 'false flag' hit.

To me it seems quite likely that this is the result of intended 'home grown blow back terrorism', an expected & needed outcome of our involvement in the war of terror, and certainly of benefit to the establishment to continue implementation of draconian measures.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:07 pm    Post subject: Carry On Terrarizin' Reply with quote

Editors !!

The latest attempts to destroy on our freedom, democracy and way of life have been thwarted.
These attacks are clearly the work of Iran-backed Al Qaeda : definitely nothing to do with ID cards, re-inforcing the July 7 - anniversary this week - "suicide bombers" tale or making the spectacle of £100,000-per-year gun-toting automatons on the capital's streets more acceptable.
The plan to destroy Glasgow Airport and surrounding areas was defeated by human error and human ingenuity.
Thankfully, these Arab chappies, with their unlimited cunning and financial resources, had forgotten - as in London - to load the cars with explosives : secondly, they had not foreseen that Glasgow Airport had, cunningly, installed barriers to stop potential foreign bounders driving to the aircraft and blowing up same.
According to an eye-witness, one "bomber", he confronted, was " ... just talking jibberish." I can, already, see conspiracists pouring forth on programming, mind-control, drug-induced .. etc. ..
Gordon Brown has risen to the occasion and, whilst not-yet potential Oscar-winning material, as per the Met's Peter Clarke, the dour Gord will certainly be able to keep the perfectly straight face, necessary, above all else, in these tricky times ahead.
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Errr... sorry if I overstepped the mark..... It's only a Nazi agenda being forced on to 60 million people. Much better to apply for a job as a security guard and ignore all the inconsistencies in Friday's story.
Anyway I'm not a Muslim so why should I care if they're being set up for a pogrom by a bunch of fascists. It'll all be water under the bridge one day. Operation Gladio never happened, the Nazis weren't given safe haven in the U.S. and 7/7 and 9/11 were vengence attacks by Muslims. Fox news and Eliza Bullying Manner told me so.
Better keep my stupid trap shut hadn't I... and trust The Federation.

Hannah/BiosBlake wrote:
I agree with Hannah, we should wait to see what comes out in the next few days before jumping to any conclusions. After becoming aware of the truth about 9/11 it is too easy to think that every attempted bombing is another 'false flag' hit.

To me it seems quite likely that this is the result of intended 'home grown blow back terrorism', an expected & needed outcome of our involvement in the war of terror, and certainly of benefit to the establishment to continue implementation of draconian measures.


Great now, where is your evidence for that?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the meeju told us that a penguin was driving the jeep would you believe that too ?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark Gobell wrote:
If the meeju told us that a penguin was driving the jeep would you believe that too ?

Amazing coincidence...I was just reading a story in the media about secret imports of farsi-speaking penguins into the UK.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Errr... sorry if I overstepped the mark..... It's only a Nazi agenda being forced on to 60 million people. Much better to apply for a job as a security guard and ignore all the inconsistencies in Friday's story.
Anyway I'm not a Muslim so why should I care if they're being set up for a pogrom by a bunch of fascists. It'll all be water under the bridge one day. Operation Gladio never happened, the Nazis weren't given safe haven in the U.S. and 7/7 and 9/11 were vengence attacks by Muslims. Fox news and Eliza Bullying Manner told me so.
Better keep my stupid trap shut hadn't I... and trust The Federation.


Come on Tony that was a bit of rant don't you think?

Even though 9/11 and 7/7 are clear examples of false flag terror, that does not make every attempt a false flag attack. Assuming these were Muslims which instigated this latest round, they are not inspired by Al Qaeda, more likely so inflamed by our continual involvement in killing Muslims around the world that they feel compelled to react. As I said earlier, our government likely realised that this would be an outcome when we joined the 'War Of Terror', they no longer have to stage further attacks, indeed terrorism becomes a self fulfilling prophecy, i.e 'blowback', a benefit to the establishment non-the-less.

I think it becomes more damaging to the credibility of the Truth movement to instantly label every attack as another false flag opp without showing any evidence to back that claim up. This is why 9/11 is not 'just another conspiracy theory', because we have so much evidence to show the numerous flaws in the official account.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bios your point is a good one.

Evidence free assertions are just hot air.

So, to put us all out of our conspiratorial misery all you need to do is provide some evidence that Al Q actually exists, and then, that Al Q or it's "affiliates" did 30.6 and 1.7

While your at it, provide some evidence that Al Q did 9/11, 7/7, Bali, Madrid, Amman, Mumbai, Heathrow, etc etc etc

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Errr... sorry if I overstepped the mark..... It's only a Nazi agenda being forced on to 60 million people. Much better to apply for a job as a security guard and ignore all the inconsistencies in Friday's story.
Anyway I'm not a Muslim so why should I care if they're being set up for a pogrom by a bunch of fascists. It'll all be water under the bridge one day. Operation Gladio never happened, the Nazis weren't given safe haven in the U.S. and 7/7 and 9/11 were vengence attacks by Muslims. Fox news and Eliza Bullying Manner told me so.
Better keep my stupid trap shut hadn't I... and trust The Federation.


Come on Tony that was a bit of rant don't you think?

Even though 9/11 and 7/7 are clear examples of false flag terror, that does not make every attempt a false flag attack. Assuming these were Muslims which instigated this latest round, they are not inspired by Al Qaeda, more likely so inflamed by our continual involvement in killing Muslims around the world that they feel compelled to react. As I said earlier, our government likely realised that this would be an outcome when we joined the 'War Of Terror', they no longer have to stage further attacks, indeed terrorism becomes a self fulfilling prophecy, i.e 'blowback', a benefit to the establishment non-the-less.

I think it becomes more damaging to the credibility of the Truth movement to instantly label every attack as another false flag opp without showing any evidence to back that claim up. This is why 9/11 is not 'just another conspiracy theory', because we have so much evidence to show the numerous flaws in the official account.


Do you really think that this is a real muslim attack that has COBRA installing their latest moves against the public?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apologies if this has already been posted. An ex-CIA Man Exposes Hysteria Of UK Car "Bomb" Terror

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK5-jIfOBjQ

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok if the mercedes was stolen lets see if the owner comes forward...noticed they conveniently blacked out all the pictures of the number plate whereas the Glasgow jeep was partially visible
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Errr... sorry if I overstepped the mark..... It's only a Nazi agenda being forced on to 60 million people. Much better to apply for a job as a security guard and ignore all the inconsistencies in Friday's story.
Anyway I'm not a Muslim so why should I care if they're being set up for a pogrom by a bunch of fascists. It'll all be water under the bridge one day. Operation Gladio never happened, the Nazis weren't given safe haven in the U.S. and 7/7 and 9/11 were vengence attacks by Muslims. Fox news and Eliza Bullying Manner told me so.
Better keep my stupid trap shut hadn't I... and trust The Federation.


Come on Tony that was a bit of rant don't you think?

Even though 9/11 and 7/7 are clear examples of false flag terror, that does not make every attempt a false flag attack. Assuming these were Muslims which instigated this latest round, they are not inspired by Al Qaeda, more likely so inflamed by our continual involvement in killing Muslims around the world that they feel compelled to react. As I said earlier, our government likely realised that this would be an outcome when we joined the 'War Of Terror', they no longer have to stage further attacks, indeed terrorism becomes a self fulfilling prophecy, i.e 'blowback', a benefit to the establishment non-the-less.

I think it becomes more damaging to the credibility of the Truth movement to instantly label every attack as another false flag opp without showing any evidence to back that claim up. This is why 9/11 is not 'just another conspiracy theory', because we have so much evidence to show the numerous flaws in the official account.


And the stories put out by the government and 'news' channels is not damaging and fuelling disbelief?

Lets see the 'evidence' put forth from the government and news mouthpieces shall we.

First we are led to believe that the merc was being driven eratically and crashed into a bin, a man left the car door open and fled the scene, two bouncers then approached the car and raised the alarm.

We are then led to believe, that the merc was nicely parked up, as an ambulance passed, they noticed it smoking, stopped to investigate, defussed the potentially massive bomb inside and raised the alarm

The news then goes on to say, that theres a very very clear CCTV image of the man fleeing the seen, but this image will not be released?

So we are led to believe a massive bomb plot has been thwarted, the man on the loose is most wanted, theres a very very clear CCTV image but we the public cannot see it to help catch this nutter? Hello? cuckoo cuckoo?

I dont have any evidence, but we all have examples right there of two different stories to the one incident, as these people have a past history of changing stories and lying repeatadly,7/7 9/11 de Menezes, the dirty bomb plot, the peroxide plot, the chapati plot, etc etc ad infinitum, so i ask you, whose credability is being damaged the most? the truth movement, who keep highlighting the lies of the news and government, or the news and government who keep changing the story line?

i know here that an iranian doctor has been arrested, as posted here this afternoon, many where predicating the iranian pasty would be unveiled.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark, the idea that Al Qaeda has terrorist cells and affiliates installed in every country responsible for every attack is pure nonsense and a web of lies, 'The Power Of Nightmares' dealt with this misleading assertion put forward by are governments.

So I have to ask, why do you think Al Qaeda should be responsible for these latest attacks?

And why do you want proof that Al Qaeda was responsible for 9/11, you are on a 9/11 Truth website, there is plenty of evidence demonstrating that the US was responsible and NOT Al Qaeda, as is the compelling evidence put forward by David Shayler of 7/7 having been orchestrated by our own government and NOT Al Qaeda.

If these latest attacks were the result of Muslims, then that does NOT automatically make them Al Qaeda or Al Qaeda affiliates, despite the laughably hysterical rants of the media suggesting that it has 'all the hallmarks', see the link posted by scubadiver for how the media have whipped this in to a frenzy.

Or, it could be another government staged attack, either way it's another excuse for the government to tighten its grip on a bewildered public and assign yet more of our civil liberties to the democratic dustbin.
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If these latest attacks were the result of Muslims, then that does NOT automatically make them Al Qaeda or Al Qaeda affiliates, despite the laughably hysterical rants of the media suggesting that it has 'all the hallmarks', see the link posted by scubadiver for how the media have whipped this in to a frenzy.


I agree.
This whole thing, particularly the Glasgow 'it's a car on fire - big f*cking deal' episode just seems weird (why no nails and gas cannisters for Glasgow? Typical! you finally get your car bomb working, and you forget half your stuff!).
I don't know what to think.
But if it wasn't a false flag to begin with, it will be as good as a false flag via politcal showboating by the end.

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I've almost reached the point where I think that these attacks were far to sloppy for a state sponsored effort.

I was paying attention earlier while watching various news channels and I seemed to get the feeling that the government were jumping on these events and basically using it as if it was their own staged work (as many have suggested). The times of the speeches by government officials just seemed to be off.

I guess this something we all expect and it's a pretty tough position to take when talking to my friends, as many of them assumed I was going to be pointing my finger at the state (and in one way I am). It took me ages to try and describe the methods used by the government/intel. services to basically scare the living s**t out of people.

They have gone way overboard with their rhetoric during these 'attacks' and to say that the government have made a mountain out of a molehill is a huge understatement. Having said that - if events were indeed a real group of weak, little, brainwashed, jihadist types then I fully am against that too, obviously....BUT surely that scenario in-turn does eventually run all the way back to the framework built up by those twatty NWO folk, whom we all despise?

Now, trying to explain this to people is actually harder then you might think.

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A quick thought on the Scottish "attack". Don't know if this has been mentioned already but it struck me as odd:
I read that there were two people in the jeep. Was it meant to be a suicide bomb? If so, is there any precedent for a two-man suicide bombing? Why would you waste two lives in one attack? Did they need to carry a spare?


Regarding the obvious unprofessionalism and whether these were genuine attacks or not: it smells of psyop to me. Surely, no one is stupid enough to be this useless. Are they?

Assuming it isn't a genuine Jihadi attack (are any?): I wonder if the very basic nature of the attacks is meant to mix up the terror meme a little. Keep people off guard and confused as well as scared. I mean, you never know what these nutters might do next! They are not only very clever and highly sophisticated but also absolutely shambolic and totally stupid. Now that is a formidably chameleon-like "enemy"!

Perhaps the perps are a little wary of pulling off too many major psyops like 7/7 because of the danger of arousing public suspicion. Or maybe they are "saving" the next big one for another occasion...

Interesting to note that this technique was even forecast by Sir Ian Blair - we should clearly listen to this man's predictions...

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Or maybe they are "saving" the next big one for another occasion...


Hmm, well, yes...this might be slightly off topic but I can't help but feel very uneasy about the upcoming Loose Change: Final Cut release.

I mean, this film (if everything goes to plan) has the potential to reach a lot of people and even more mainstream folk than before.

And this really puts me on edge. What would "they" do to minimize the impact that LC:FC should be able to make?

Something that I have had said to me a few times is "Oh, they will never allow that in cinemas"....

They could used these recent events as a starting point to either start a new front in the middle-east or really pull off a major "terror" attack and pretty much turn a large section of people against us.Also creating a seriously bad vibe (both in the media and on the street) for LC:FC

I just wonder if they would act before the films release or just afterwards.
Gordon Brown might want to get things rolling. I know that kinda might be narrowing the drivers of this NWO agenda down to public figures like Brown, but maybe not, he might be in the think of it.

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Thought I'd add this link to prove what comes around goes around in the nicest possible sence Very Happy Story just linked back to me from USA via myspace Wink

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Just a little thought for those that come here saying our attempts are futile Wink

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Good stuff from Craig Murray's blog:
http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/weblog.html

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June 30, 2007

According to Willie Rae, Chief Constable of Strathclyde Police, there are clear links between today's Glasgow incident and the London car bombs. He declined to expand further, but I presume he meant more than that both events involved cars and petrol. A copycat crime is, in a sense, always linked to the crime it copies. But Willie Rae is not the Metropolitan Police, with its track record of lying to us, so I am prepared to believe that he knows something more sunstantial.

I still cannot understand why the Met does not release the CCTV footage of the London suspects. As the suspects must realise that they will have been caught on CCTV, I can't think of a single sensible motive for witholding it.

It is horrible to me to think of the possibility of terrorists coming out of Scotland's Muslim communities; I find it really perturbing. Scotland does not have the completely isolated Muslim ghettoes that Labour created in Northern England. Of course, the fact the attack happened in Glasgow doesn't necessarily mean the attackers came from there. But wherever the bombers were from, and however incompetent they were, their attempt to kill and maim innocent people going on holiday is an act of crazed fanaticism.

Thank goodness the only injured in Glasgow were the attackers, and one member of the public, who is not in danger. Fortunately, amateur does not do justice as a description of these attackers - absolute rubbish comes closer to it. It is worth noting that, if the London car bombs had ignited, they would probably have burnt like the Glasgow car, and almost certainly would not have had the kind of explosive force that the media tried to claim. Gas canisters are designed to withstand fire without exploding; they will eventually vent and the gas flare as it comes out. That is what looked on TV like it might have been happening in the back of the car in Glasgow.

Petrol and gas can be a deadly effective component of a bomb, and even a very small quantity of high explosive would have made the London car bombs potentially devastating. But there was no explosive present - I have held back on blogging on this aspect until I could confirm that fact from my own sources.

So this is not al-Qaeda (an unwarranted inference, regardless of the probable truth of the statement - CW), and we are not dealing with trained bomb-makers. The Glasgow attack looks like a purely home grown reaction to World events and our role in them. Assuming the London incident really is linked, the same applies. This threat will indeed remain with us until we stop being an acolyte for US foreign policy. Nobody is attacking Ireland - if Western hedonism and culture were the target, Ireland should be in big trouble. The answer is not further oppression at home, which will just exacerbate a sense of grievance.

The answer - or at least a large part of it - is to adopt a foreign policy which accords with the wishes of the majority of the British people, irrespective of the existence of terrorism.


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I am increasingly puzzled as to why police haven't released CCTV footage of the driver of the vehicle fleeing the scene. The whole Piccadilly area is swamped by CCTV coverage. Normally, you would expect this released, so the public can help with the manhunt. That happened with the 21/7 incidents. It did not happen with Jean Charles De Menezes, of course, because the CCTV footage disproved the police story that De Menezes vaulted the barriers and sprinted through the station.

It does now appear that these were indeed not suicide bombs, and were not professionally made.

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London is an extraordinary, teeming, multicultural metropolis. It is a great hub of international finance, politics and intrigue. Extraordinary things have happened in London throughout my adult life. Beneath the surface events are bubbling which most Londoners neither know nor understand.

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An Italian banker, custodian of Vatican money and secrets, is found swinging under Blackfriars Bridge. Businessmen purchase seats in the national legislature simply for payments of cash. A Bulgarian dissident is killed with a tiny ricin pellet injected from an umbrella. A Brazilian electrician is executed by police on the London underground. The dismembered torso of a small African child floats down the Thames. The country's most flamboyant businessman, a lawmaker, steals his workers' pensions and leaves for a yacht cruise. Muslim lads from Yorkshire kill themselves and 67 people on public transport. Etonian mercenaries plan coups in Papua New Guinea, Sierra Leone and Equatorial Guinea before finding respectability and the jackpot in Iraq. A Russian defector is poisoned with polonium and dies a slow horrible death. Politicians and civil servants concoct a dossier of lies to provoke a war. A girl is arrested for reading out the names of the dead at the Cenotaph, and a man for carrying Vanity Fair outside Downing St. A small black child bleeds to death in a tenement stairwell. Gays die as a nail bomb rips through a pub. The IRA run a long, slow war of death and attrition. Every year, scores of people simply disappear. Homeless people curl up like bundles in neon-lit doorways.

Two remarkable things happened in the last two days within half a mile of each other, at either end of Piccadilly. One, the car bomb, you have probably heard of. The second you probably haven't.

This is a straight reproduction of a small article from The Metro newspaper, Friday June 29, 2007

"Mossad Spy" Found Dead

An Egyptian financier accused of spying for Israel has been found dead outside his London home in mysterious circumstances. Ashraf Marwan was alleged to have worked for Israeli intelligence agency Mossad during the 1973 Yom Kippur war with Egypt and Syria. He was accused of tipping Israel off about the war. Police said "He appears to have fallen from a balcony. The death is being treated as unexplained." The 62 year old son-in-law of former Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser was found on Wednesday in St James's, Central London.

The fact that these two incidents are less than ten minutes walk apart does not make them connected. They may or may not be. But I note this, and the list above, to help those who have difficulty imagining that there is any need to consider any possibility other than Islamic terrorism to explain the apparent Haymarket car bomb. Astonishing things do happen in London.

A good rule is to look at what did happen, not what might have happened. Consider this:

a) Nobody committed suicide. Rather than follow Scotland Yard's Peter Clarke and speculate that was because the driver lost his nerve, let us admit that it is at least possible that nobody was intended to commit suicide. If suicide was not part of the modus operandi, that vastly increases the number of groups and individuals who might have been responsible.

b) No bomb exploded and nobody was killed. There seems a general presumption that was because the trigger failed, or was defused in time. That is possible, certainly. It could well be so. But there is another possibility that cannot be ruled out yet - perhaps the thing was not meant to explode, perhaps no-one was meant to be killed. Perhaps it was meant to look like a convincing bomb, even like a convincing failed bomb. If you accept that as a logical possibility, that would bring in even more individuals and organisations who might have been responsible. To be up for a bomb scare is very different to being up for a bomb.


Let me be quite clear again: Islamic extremists may very well be responsible. I am not saying they are not. I am saying nobody knows yet. But let me expand a bit on my Cui Bono theme.

There are plenty of companies - and wealthy individuals - making huge amounts of money from both the War on Terror and its equally ugly sister, the War in Iraq. There has been much speculation that Brown will edge away from both of these. If British troops were to withdraw from Iraq, for example, that could reduce the access currently enjoyed by companies, including Aegis and BAE, to billions of dollars of US government contracts for arms and mercenaries. These companies make money out of killing. Death is their business. Today's car bomb - and the immediate media presumption it is Islamic terrorism - certainly forces Brown further into the War on Terror. The fact that the Iraq war is the root cause of an upsurge of terror in the UK, strangely does not negate the surge of political support for the War that this sort of incident brings as a reflex reaction from our leaders.

I am not saying it was Aegis or BAE. I am saying don't be one-eyed about the possibilities. Look at the list of amazing things in London above. Do I really believe that there are wealthy people in London who would stage this sort of thing to protect or further their financial interests? Yes, I do.

It could well be Islamic terrorists. That remains the most probable explanation - but by no means the only possible explanation. It could have been a preparation for an attack on tomorrow's Gay Pride march. Mossad? Why not? We just don't know yet. There is also of course the possibility that whoever planted it has tried to make it look like another group, by planted forensic evidence or disguising the driver. Presumably we will see CCTV footage of the driver shortly.

I am also saying that I have first hand experience of the fact that governments lie about who plants bombs. See my posting on Lockerbie below. Read pages 325 to 339 of Murder in Samarkand. Or read Darkness at Dawn by David Satter, or The Quiet American by Graham Greene.

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London Bomb - Cui Bono?

Whoever was behind the apparent car bomb in London, it almost certainly wasn't the police explosives experts who made it safe (not sure what he is getting at here, it seems a strange comment - CW), and we should acknowledge the heroism it takes to do that job.

Peter Clarke, the Met's anti-terrorism point man, gave a press conference claiming he was not going to speculate, but then doing everything he could to indicate it was an Islamic plot. He referred to other recent cases, including the Barot case, in which night clubs were mentioned as targets, and the use of gas canisters in cars discussed. The one bit of modus operandi pointing another way - the fact it wasn't a suicide bomber - he was at pains to explain away by speculating that the driver had lost his nerve.

Of course the last time a nail bomb was actually exploded among clubbers in Central London, it was by a homophobic fascist. So it is right to keep an open mind. But whoever did this, the only people who can possibly benefit are the vast and ever-burgeoning security industry of all kinds, and those who want discord between the Islamic World and the West. Unfortunately, the extremists on all sides are strengthened by this incident.

Brown had already made plain he supports further anti-civil liberties legislation. This produces just the kind of febrile atmosphere in which that can be done. The television news is already pushing 90 day detention without charge again.

I am adding this para in response to blogs attempting to say that I am claiming the bomb was planted by the State. I have not changed the above, and plainly it does not say that. In fact, I think that is one of the least likely explanations - in terms of the British State, at least. I have no idea who planted it. I am saying we should not leap to the conclusion it was Islamic fundamentalists. It could be, or it could be other extremists, or interests, who benefit from the War on Terror. The Cui Bono test throws up a number of possibilities.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LONDON BOMB 'NOT SCARY ENOUGH', BROWN TELLS MI5
PRIME Minister Gordon Brown has dismissed the latest London bomb scare as "feeble" and "unlikely to frighten the public".

Brown compared MI5 to the cast of 'Police Academy'Mr Brown is understood to be disappointed with MI5's effort, describing it as "half-arsed and transparent".

A source close to Brown said: "The PM wanted to start things off by scaring the absolute, holy * out of people.

"A badly driven Merc with a couple of gas bottles in the back does not cut the mustard.

"We asked for Arabic literature on the passenger seat, a map of Whitehall with big red crosses on it and a huge controlled explosion on live television. Someone will be getting their backside felt for this."

The source added: "We're trying to introduce ID cards, imprisonment without trial and swingeing restrictions on freedom of speech.

"We wouldn't be able to force through new parking regulations on the back of this pile of arse."

Police say they are looking for "a man" in connection with the incident in London's Haymarket.

A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: "Our investigations are currently centred on a man. If you see a man you should react with complete terror and run screaming into the nearest busy shop or pub."

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/war/london-bomb-%27not-scary-enough %27,-brown-tells-mi5-20070629249/

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Larry Johnson's (the CIA guy in the video) weblog:
http://noquarter.typepad.com/
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Gas canisters are designed to withstand fire without exploding; they will eventually vent and the gas flare as it comes out.



Is this actually true?


Doesn't seem to fit in with this:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/4390048.stm

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's this I heard this pundit saying on on the BBC news? That this highly educated cadre of terrorist doctors left mobile phones in the London vehicles that contained registered sim cards, thus allowing the police to use computerised mobile phone records to trace the terrorist network quickly to other parts of England, Scotland and now Australia!!!!
Well I've long considered orthodox medical practitioners ill-informed and potentially dangerous to health, but never thought of them as dumber and dumberer.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Firstly we are to believe the merc has been driven erratically'
'then we are told it was nicely parked up'

Information like this has come from media outlets before, it is more to do with the journalism involved rather than bad information being put out by the Police or intelligence services. In N Ireland there have been many many instances of this. It doesn't mean they (ie police etc) are trying to put a spin on things to cover a black op or a false flag, it is simply bad or incomplete journalism. Jumping to conclusion about what comes out directly after an incident looks alarmist and it is certainly premature. This did happen after 9/11 and 7/7 but time has passed and too many questions have arisen that cannot be answered but in this case it is too early to tell.

Clearly there has been a cell of AQ operating with the NHS. which is very frightening indeed. Open borders accross the free world coupled with individual freedoms are being abused by these people, and I do believe they are intent on turning the streets of Britain into the streets of Baghdad.
I've said itand read it before on other boards and I will say it again, the Luftwaffe did not cower us neither did the IRA and neither will Islamic terrorists.

In the face of such a threat, the public must remain calm and vigilant, and jumping too soon that this is a false flag by our police and services only plays into the hands of AQ.


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Hannah wrote:
'Clearly there has been a cell of AQ operating with the NHS. which is very frightening indeed. Open borders accross the free world coupled with individual freedoms are being abused by these people, and I do believe they are intent on turning the streets of Britain into the streets of Baghdad.

I've said itand read it before on other boards and I will say it again, the Luftwaffe did not cower us neither did the IRA and neither will Islamic terrorists.

In the face of such a threat, the public must remain calm and vigilant, and jumping too soon that this is a false flag by our police and services only plays into the hands of AQ.


Are you hankering for a job on the tabloids Hannah ?

Will we yet see the AL Q NHS Trust ?

The frightening thing for me is, I do believe you are serious.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am indeed serious, all outrages even failed ones cannot be put down to false flag ops. That is madness. Clearly there is a definite threat to citizens of this country. This happened to us here in N Ireland. This is no idle threat from these people, these attacks may be played down by our friendly ex CIA blogger/commentator, but the fact is these attacks could have killed people. Terrorism is not nice when you have lived through it, and if these people bring terrorism on to the streets of Britain as they were on to the streets of N Ireland and you become affected by it you may see the difference.

I do not believe these attacks are all false flag, 9/11 and 7/7 Yes but not this one, at least not yet. Wink
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I'd say you need to think about the distinction between being earnest and being serious Hannah.

Nobody has even been charged yet.

No trial, no verdict, nothing.

Yet you, along with millions of others I presume, swallow what our highly trustworthy media feed you.

Not only that, you do it instantly without a second thought for any other possibility.

All you are serious about is consuming media stories.

Nothing more.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is so untrue, all I have said is that it is not unusual for differing even conflicting stories to come out from media outlets after incidents such as this. I have said this is down to journalism and their sources, not misinformation from police or intelligence services. What I am saying is, it is much too early to judge. The thing is only being put together at the moment, I am saying we do need to wait until the full picture emerges.

This is what happened with 9/11 and 7/7, that is why credence can be given. Jumping too soon can make you look like a fool .
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