Shayler says he's the New Messiah

[ian neal]

Well said sir

[karlos]

[The Watcher]

Originally posted here: http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=83584#83584

[paul wright]

Anyway - who knows? Perhaps he is.
That'd be a turn up

[ian neal]

Yes this is a good decision and I thank those involved

[ian neal]

[karlos]

Ian i am not appealling for any such thing i am merely showing people what i believe to be wrong. I was directly replying to Sheriton Hotel who said:

Aren't ALL leaders/public people a bit unhinged?

Which to me implies a leader.
My reply was aimed specifically at this comment.
My intepretation is that some people who have posted here DO consider Shayler some sort of leader.

[rodin]

[mason-free party]

is this what happens to you when you say zionists were involved in 911..or is this a carefully planned psyop to discredit the 911 truth movement..although the planers/pod people do that anyway

[Thermate911]

[Thermate911]

[ian neal]

[Easy Rider]

Maybe David was given 2 choices

Fake madness or something very unpleasant would happen to him

If you were given the choice which option would you take?

[Thermate911]

[Larry O'Hara]

How interesting that a movement forever railing against supposed 'cover ups' should self-consciously censor itself for fear of the truth getting out about what Shayler said at Glastonbury. Imagine, if you will, a top Pentagon official at a Press Conference uttering revealing remarks and then it all being hushed up. You'd be launching virtual internet salvoes in the thousands--but about this, you will do precisely nothing. Just as when Resonance FM quietly censored an earlier Shayler outburst about lizards.

There are three possible explanations for his current sorry state

1) His controllers have decided that now really is the time for his 9/11 cult operation to end, spectacularly, whereby he destroys any vestigial credibility he (and the movement that so lionised him) still has.

2) He himself has become so overwhelmed by the multiple lies fabrications fantasies & line-changes he has undergone over the last few years, at the behest of his controllers, that he has finally cracked under the strain. Agent Machon, being made of sterner stuff, is hanging on in there (here) and has already distanced herself from his disintegrating personality, the better to continue her activities. My personally favoured current explanation.

3) One even more uncomfortable for adherents of this cult, and forum. That by unquestioningly and sycophantically accepting every twist turn lie & piroutte Shayler/Machon have undergone in the last few years, and consistently evaded asking them the hard questions we at Notes from the Borderland (www.borderland.co.uk & also www.911cultwatch.org.uk--which reproduces in full the relevant NFB 7 article--for free!) have asked, including specific questions about their role in the 9/11 'Truth Movement', you have placed the poor man in an almost impossible (and unwarranted) position of pre-eminence, that he just couldn't live up to, hence he's cracked. By hanging on his every lying and ever-more fantastic words, you have fed his delusions, ending up with this grotesque spectacle. If this possibility is true, then on past form few, if any, of you would have the decency to admit it. Had any of you naive fools had the gumption to properly question him on the ample grounds provided by NFB/9-11 Cultwatch, maybe his mental disintegration might have been arrested before it has come to this. But, despite bluster, none of you ever did. Shame on you for that.

On a lighter note--'False Flag Messiah'--I like it!!

[Dogsmilk]

Coming from a man with a history of denouncing everyone that isn't in his little clique or one of the three people who buys his ridiculously expensive 'periodicals' as being an MI5 agent, it's a bit ironic you feel moved to attempt a glib range of 'possibilities'; you might be tempting fate there Larry. These things can happen to any one of us.

Just how is the revolution going these days?

[Light Infantree]

[marky 54]

[outsider]

[outsider]

[Dogsmilk]

[ian neal]

Larry please limit your comments to critics corner

thanks

[rodin]

Anyone reading this thread can see how to control the people, even those asking questions. Create a big ripple in their little pool and watch them bob up and down, unable to keep eyes fixed on the horizon. This thread also shows how 911-truth is just another 'belief' system with its own 'Gods'.

Ask yourself. Why did xMI5 join in first place? Conversion on the road to Damascus? Far the most likely explanation always was that they are inside the 911 truth arena to cause disruption, gather intelligence etc. This is normal spook behaviour. Whistle-blowing is abnormal. Whistle blowing again and again and not getting whacked unheard of.

I came here after watching David in a 3-way TV studio interview. He brought up the subject of the 5 dancing Israelis and I thought 'great - he's going for it'. But the last word on that subject was by a Mr (I think Marigold - I wonder what his ethnicity was?) who pointed out that they were just 'excited' by the enormity of the events. Just excited. Why was the point not made forcefully that they admitted they were there to ‘document the event’?

Right at the end of the program David launched into his famous NPT speel. Result? 5 dancing Israelis get lumped with NPT in the viewer's minds.

It is all a big set-up. Bigger than you know. Mark Gobell (and others) show how they even attend to details like numerology. They like to ‘solve’ complex simultaneous equations – like they did with the multiple cui bono 911 scam. Now that's what I call planning.

Think they would let a loose cannon from MI5 mess it up for them? As Jim Morrison said ‘We got the numbers but they got the guns’ OK - it was vice verse in ‘The End’… but U get my drift. If David was a problem he wouldn’t be..

They are a global mafia with 10x power of the goyim, so long as the goyim stay asleep and distracted. The media and money supply is what gives them LEVERAGE. In effect, the global pyramid is one big DERIVATIVE SCHEME. If it ever does a Bear Sterns as 'investors' (ie goyim) see thru the hedge scam in numbers, watch out! But the way we are going it'll never happen. Plus we have been disarmed. It only remains for the domestic firearms in the US to be neutralised. Perhaps by false flag nuclear terra. Perhaps by virus. Perhaps by patience (though this I doubt – the internet is the ultimate end-game accelerant as the information spreads virally – they must move quickly).

Human nature is easily lead. Egos can be massaged. Creature comforts supplied. And when the bubble bursts fear and authority will take over, as the beast shows its true face. Already its henchmen have been promised rewards for keeping you in check, herding you, and starving those of you surplus to requirements or hip to the system as per the Soviet Union, their prototype for global tyranny. In our village of 1000 people I sense a few individuals are already prepared for the next stage. They have that psychopathic coldness...

Over 100 posts, this thread about David has...

David the Star...

Leading us...

To or from?

[paul wright]

Personally, I very much like David though have no claim to know him very much at all. It may be that he is still MI5. I dont think
so, but in some way it would make sense looked at in a certain framework.
However he has always appeared most honest in a proselytising gobbing kind of way, though I've often found him surrounded by admiring potential acolytes.
I've often agreed with his more controversial opinions, and for once and in this very small area agree with the otherwise reprehensible Larry, that it is wrong for elements of the truth movement to censor David for the expression of his own truth, much less to declare it insane
I personally would very much like to see his Glastonbury declaration and make my own judgement on whether or not there's something 'wrong' there, rather than have to rely on Watcher's and Ian's perception.
B after all says she saw him as perfectly at ease with himself
Let's not decide that David's truth, for whatever purpose, is not 'on message'. Let people have a look at it.

[911Eyewitness]

It is horrid that you hide yourself or your words in anyway. You become as corrupt as those you pretend to be offended by. Perhaps David made just those points and perhaps many of us would understand his crucifixion complex IF THAT IS WHAT WAS EXPRESSED.


But no, we are not allowed the privilege of discourse or knowledge only rumor and innuendo followed by pompous proclamations from the "leaders of 911truth" that this is good and all is well.

Nothing is well and this is not good. There is no obfuscating the censorship and impugning freedom and liberties by the actions some are taking to stop the flow of information in the name of some subjective proclamation of "better for the group".

I am also one that 911truth wants to hide and have no such problems as David. I am concise and my interviews and speeches are censored the same way. This interview they would rather bury because they show all the lies within the movement. What did Shayler really say? Did he get up on a stage to hide his thoughts? You have the authority to cut off his words for public consumption? Nice authorities - where did you get them?

Like your mommies taught you to lie on the little things, hide the dirt under the carpet and that is okay? The government acts on these premises that are established into your souls by your parents. Lie for the bigger good. Branded like lies, little ones that you deem little are okay for the bigger glory. This is the big lie.

Come on? Let's not let the innuendo take over. Truth is not so hard to bare and hiding it is a lost cause.

Did Shayler tell you all what you are too? We are left to speculate, as you are worse than the government. Uk 911truth and censored.

[ian neal]

David may still be MI5, David may be the Messiah and reincarnation of Christ or he may just be 'a very naughty boy'

Does it matter? No, not unless you have pinned all your hopes on David to lead this movement which I wasn't aware any one was. So the only people this question matters to is David and his friends.

End of story. Move on

[Sherlock Holmes]

[911Eyewitness]

Nothing to see here folks, move on.

No reason to notice or ask questions.

Nothing to hide really, just move on and shut up.

Yep, 911 truth alive and kicking it out! No problems, just don't want to show "something" but nothing there, so lets go on. Only of interest to anyone who is interested in frauds, coverups and 911. But


Move on folks, nothing to see.. all just a bad dream. You can have a beer at the pub and lets forget.

http://www.911researchers.com/node/902

[ian neal]

Get your facts straight, Rick

The decision not to release the video of David speaking at the Glastonbury symposium was taken by the event organisers and not the British campaign, so it seems you are attacking the wrong people.

If you are so interested in what David has to say feel free to contact him and invite to speak at an event of your choosing.

It would be nice if you also withdrew your false accusation of censorship against this forum or the British camapign. You have worked out by now that the 2 are not the same thing, I hope?

[rodin]