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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:10 am    Post subject: Peter Power Visor ex-Dorset police fraudster spotted Reply with quote

Anyone catch him on BBC News 24 on the day of the failed car bomb attempt in London? He was as introduced a "terrorism expert" (I bet he is) and said the usual Blairite nonsense about us being under constant threat etc.

This wasn't a short interview or anything, he was on and off for about 2 hours at least. While they showed live scenes he would talk over them, but we never actually got to see him in person. He wasn't over the phone or anything, but still no glimpse.

He was on BBC News again later talking live about the Glasgow incident which I've managed to scoop up from youtube:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ghY1WwgjHtA
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since you bring up the Glasgow incident - seems that like 9/11 3/11 and 7/7...

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an israeli company was in charge of security at airports involved in 911, at the London rail during 77, at the Madrid Rail during the Madrid Attacks, and now at the Glasgow airport.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anybody managed to work out the probability of 4 bombs going off on the same day and at the same locations as they actually did?

Bear in mind that there are 275 stations on the London Underground network.

And 2013 London bus stops are fitted with the digital countdown indicators

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With 275 stations, three bombs, 2013 bus stops and 365 days in the year I calculate a probability of one in a little over fifteen million million that Peter Power is telling the truth.

That is
One in 15,000,000,000,000 or
One in 1.5 x 10 to the power of thirteen

How disturbing it would be to bump into Peter Power on the London Underground. I'm not sure he sould be approached.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We know that an Israeli Mossad front company were in charge of security of the London Underground during 7/7, we also know that all the key sites in the US involved during 911 were 'protected' by Marvin Bush's security company. But i have not heard any claims made about Madrid. I dont think the Spanish would be stupid enough to entrust their security to dodgy Israeli companies

Madrid was targetted for bombings by the Israelis because of two reasons
Firstly King Juan Carlos's visit to Damascus
Secondly Spains threat to Israel to reopen the Madrid conference.


Glasgow is irrelevant because there was no terrorist incident just a small fire drill/show.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We know that an Israeli Mossad front company were in charge of security of the London Underground during 7/7, we also know that all the key sites in the US involved during 911 were 'protected' by Marvin Bush's security company. But i have not heard any claims made about Madrid. I dont think the Spanish would be stupid enough to entrust their security to dodgy Israeli companies


Can you source me on that please?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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With 275 stations, three bombs, 2013 bus stops and 365 days in the year I calculate a probability of one in a little over fifteen million million that Peter Power is telling the truth.

That is
One in 15,000,000,000,000 or
One in 1.5 x 10 to the power of thirteen

How disturbing it would be to bump into Peter Power on the London Underground. I'm not sure he sould be approached.


I calculate the probability of bumping into Peter Power on the Underground to be less than one in 15,000,000,000,000. He has not travelled by Tube since the Oxford Circus fire of 1984.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/witness/november/23/newsid_3227000/ 3227456.stm

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If anyone can let me know where to find him I will confront him
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But i have not heard any claims made about Madrid. I dont think the Spanish would be stupid enough to entrust their security to dodgy Israeli companies

Can you source me on that please?

Source me on this?
I said i am NOT aware that any Israeli company was given any contracts in Spain.
What i do know though is the Israelis were angry with Spain for sending King Juan Carlos to Syria on a state visit and for holding the Madrid conference on Israel and threatening to reopen it.
that might be a motive for Mossad blowing up the trains.
But i am not quoting any source for that.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't you google it?
or try here

http://www.londonbombs.org.uk

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Can you source me on that please?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice one Andy,

Here are your instructions... You should be able to find him here... but I advise you take Stelios along (as a minder) and several video cameramen Wink



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Visor Consultants Limited
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Peter Power
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Peter Power
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Peter Power is Managing Director of Visor Consultants Limited based in Piccadilly, London. He has considerable front-line crisis experience and is, uniquely, a Fellow of the Emergency Planning Society[where he became an expert at planning emergencies - ed.], Fellow of the Chartered Management Institute, Fellow of the Business Continuity Institute, Fellow of the Institute of Risk Management and a member of the Guild of Freemen of the City of London. [they seem to have left off his Iluminati medal of honour]

Peter is very well known as an authoritative and entertaining presenter and writer, who speaks frequently on UK TV & Radio. He is the author of the present UK Govt. (DTI) advice booklet 'Preventing Chaos in a Crisis' and the new British Bankers [of course - ed.] Association / KPMG guide on Crisis Management. He is the Founding Chairman of the Survive Crisis Mgt. Special Interest Group, and is also engaged as a Special Advisor to a number of key organisations including the Canadian Centre for Emergency Preparedness, Disaster Management Forum (UK) and the Business Continuity (BC) Institute London Forum.

Peter has a senior Scotland Yard background which includes setting up the multi agency operational management structure at the Kings Cross fire, secondment to the Anti Terrorist Branch, deputy forward control coordinator at the Libyan People Bureau siege and leading the team behind the existing police street philosophy for dealing with terrorist bombs. [ie a totally nonsense policy vacuum where bombs are allowed to go off and innocent people shot dead by the police - ed.] He is also the primary author / promulgator of the present UK Police command methodology Gold, Silver & Bronze [give him a medal - ed.]and a founder member of the UK judging panel for BC Awards.

Peter lectures world wide on all aspects of Crisis Management (CM) & BC. His name also features in the bibliography to the new BC guide - PAS 56 - and in many similar guidebooks. He also talks extensively on perception, the impact of terrorism and effective Media Handling and is a regular panellist [lets see him on Have I Got News For You please - ed.] and contributor to many UK magazines on CM, Disaster Recovery, Crisis Creative Media Handling and Leadership. He is also engaged as a Special Advisor to the editorial board of Continuity Professional Magazine in the USA. In addition he is listed in the UK Register of Expert Witnesses.

Peter a true specialist exercise planner and facilitator as well as trainer, coach and motivator, often at executive level. He occasionally lectures at Reading University [where he has a very good friend who likes to put microchip implants into children - ed.] and has considerable experience in running workshops in several countries, as well as chairing conferences in academic and commercial environments. He is an accomplished after dinner speaker [well practiced on the Royal Arch masonic circuit - ed.] who draws on many years of direct experience to combine humour with valuable advice. He also wrote the British Institute of Facilities Management BC guide and was a previous award winner for BC 'personality of the year' (members of the Visor Consultants team have so far won 3 separate BC awards). Peter is in addition, the author of a key module within the MBA course at the College of Estate Management at Reading University.

Peter's recent appearances on TV and Radio include interviews on numerous live News broadcasts [which he would rather not have made - ed.] as well as documentaries, and taking part in the recent BBC TV Panorama current affairs programme examining the impact of terrorism on London. [and he should know all about that being one himslf - ed.] He is specifically quoted on the BBC web site in relation to his role at the scene of several previous major incidents in the UK. [better not go any further on that point - ed.]

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:33 am    Post subject: He's been spotted again Reply with quote

Powers was on Fridays Newsnight. Watch it here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/default.stm

He's about 6:30 minutes in.


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Was he defending the indefensible again?
Was he given ANY cross examination at all?
How come this 7,600 million to one shot gets national credibility but Newsnight won't talk to us?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:24 pm    Post subject: Re: He's been spotted again Reply with quote

zennon wrote:
Powers was on Fridays Newsnight. Watch it here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/default.stm

He's about 7:30 minutes in.


No Peter Power here. It's Paul Whitehouse, Chief Constable of Sussex.
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I have revised this figure because it appears that Peter Power makes no claims about the bus bombing.

it's actually quite a bit less but still a lot, a lot, a lot.

275 x 275 x 275 x 365 = 7,600 million to one.


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With 275 stations, three bombs, 2013 bus stops and 365 days in the year I calculate a probability of one in a little over fifteen million million that Peter Power is telling the truth.

That is
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One in 1.5 x 10 to the power of thirteen

How disturbing it would be to bump into Peter Power on the London Underground. I'm not sure he sould be approached.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: He's been spotted again Reply with quote

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zennon wrote:
Powers was on Fridays Newsnight. Watch it here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/default.stm

He's about 7:30 minutes in.


No Peter Power here. It's Paul Whitehouse, Chief Constable of Sussex.


Go back to 7:30 it is him. You're looking too far ahead at about 8:26.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep it's him.

He was wheeled out on Friday night on the news too.

The other chap is the ex Chief Constable of Sussex Police who did the honourable thing and resigned after his force shot a man in his bed.

Mind you it took him 2 years to do so.

You listening Bliar and Dick ?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: He's been spotted again Reply with quote

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Powers was on Fridays Newsnight. Watch it here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/default.stm

He's about 7:30 minutes in.


No Peter Power here. It's Paul Whitehouse, Chief Constable of Sussex.


Sorry I meant 6:30
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Was he defending the indefensible again?
Was he given ANY cross examination at all?
How come this 7,600 million to one shot gets national credibility but Newsnight won't talk to us?

Surprisingly he was quite critical of Ian Blair.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have revised this figure because it appears that Peter Power makes no claims about the bus bombing.

it's actually quite a bit less but still a lot, a lot, a lot.

275 x 275 x 275 x 365 = 7,600 million to one.


That's always struck me as an exceptionally spurious "calculation," which is like saying every football club in a league has an equal chance of winning it.

For one thing, not all 275 stations would be considered a worthwhile target. Mill Hill East or Theydon Bois are hardly going to be seen as "tempting" as any of the central London stations, are they? Also, we cannot reasonably assume that Visor only even conduct one such theoretical paper exercise each year. Knowing what consultancies are like, no doubt they recycle the same work for other companies, so it is likely that essentially the same exercise had been run a number of times previously. And, of course, we would not expect such an office-based exericise to be held a weekend, so 365 days is out of the window, as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What information do you have that this was on office based exercise?
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What information do you have that this was on office based exercise?

What proof (i.e. not wishful thinking) do you have that it wasn't?
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You made the initial statement, i assume as will every other reader that you have no proof other than your desire to spam the official conspiracy.

What in your view does "a series of drills" mean?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What information do you have that this was on office based exercise?


http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/uk/coincidence+of+bomb+exercises  /109010

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sorry that is just a channel 4 comment, it is not a factual report nor does it explain the people being evacuated from their offices before the bus bomb or victoms appearing in tavistock place covered in foil blankets and like headband man who were quite obviously part of an exercise.
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True, it is not proof one way or the other. I was just ensuring you were aware of the reports that Visor Consultants said it was only a paper based exercise. Of course us mere mortals have no way of confirming this, but if campaigners are to claim it was more than this then the onus is on us to provide supporting evidence
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Peter Powers spotted Reply with quote

I agree with Ian - more evidence required. Or even 'some' evidence required.

Power says in the same article that 100-ish such exercises probably happen every week. Presumably a very decent proportion of those happen in Central London. I think this is almost certainly a dead-end for investigation.

As an aside, I don't think that Marvin Bush claim is correct either.
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Probabilty of Peter Power's Terror Drill Happening by Chance

Peter Powers claimed to have been conducting anti-terror drills at the same three tube stations as actually got targeted – on the same day, at the same time, by chance. How likely is that? There are 275 tube stations in London, and so here the sum is
3/275 x 2/274 x 1/273
or around one in three million. Then let us suppose, for the sake of argument, that two anti-terror drills are conducted per annum in London. If Power picked the correct day by chance for his exercise, that adds on a further 2/365 improbability factor, making a probability of chance occurrence of 1 in six hundred million (600,000,000)*.

Power explained how he happened to be conducting the anti-terror drill at the same time of day:
‘...at half-past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for, er, over, a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing upright!’

The Madrid bombs went off at 07.30 am and the 9/11 plane crashes happened at 08.45, while the Bologna train bomb of 1980 went of at 10.30 am, so one could take the view that terrorists are likely to choose this rush-hour time of the morning. Morning rush-hour could appear as an ‘expected’ period for train bombs to go off. Peter Power cited a time of 9.30, about half an hour after that which was being reported. Arbitrarily, we add in a very minimal factor of two for the likelihood of this time-of-day proximity.

This gives us an overall, best-estimate of over one in a billion. One could argue for a reduction of this value on the grounds that outer-London stations are less likely than the central London stations to be chosen. But, that’s a slippery slope: one could argue conversely that it is highly unlikely that Muslims would have chosen Edgware Road and Aldgate stations, given that these areas have notably high Muslim populations. Let’s just leave our equal-probability assumption unaltered, and that gives the likelihood of Peter Power’s statement at one in a billion.

* If Staraker is correct that terror-drills don't happen on weekends then this would reduce the odds. But I suggest its up to him to check that out on the basis of past terror-drills.
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I think that's about a thousand times more than they would choose to convict someone on DNA evidence of murder or rape. 1 in a million chance, I think they say
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