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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:22 pm    Post subject: My summary of holes in official 7/7 story Reply with quote

I don't pretend that this is 100% accurate or entirely comprehensive but it's my attempt - following the Press TV 'London Bombings Enquiry Debate' to sum up the most cogent holes in the official 7/7 story.

What are your general thoughts about what I might have missed and/or overegged. Any peer reviewing by your good selves the users and readers which will help me hone it down.

UK Indymedia version:- Summary of gaping holes in UK government's official 7/7 narrative

Just to add at this point that I have submitted much material related to this summary over the last 12 months to both Private Eye and to the Evening Standard. I have talked to the Evening Standard deputy editor at the Standard newsdesk on several occasions as well as a news producer at the radio station where I used to work GLR which has now been rebranded as 'BBC for London'. None of them have used any of this material.



London Bombings - appeal for testimony and further investigation

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British broadcasters have not made any documentaries which either seriously examine flaws in the official 7/7 story or look at suggested alternative scenarios. However there are at least five films circulating on the internet: BT Final Version; Mind The Gap; Ludicrous Diversions; The Homefront and 7/7 The Ripple Effect which make a case that the four bombers accused by Sir Ian Blair may not be responsible for the attacks.

There are four horrifying holes in the British government’s official ‘narrative’ of 7/7. Any one of these should prompt a public enquiry into the attacks but, as part of an apparent cover up, the government has been extraordinarily resistant to one.

1. Peter Power says his company Visor Consultants' exercise at the same three tube stations on the same day as the attacks was a coincidence. There is a 7,600 million to one chance that he is telling the truth about his exercise having no link to the attack.

2. A warning 15 minutes prior to the explosions relayed to Associated Press (AP) and subsequently published under the title 'Netanyahu Changed Plans Due To Warning' by several English language newspapers. AP's Jerusalem desk were told by the Israeli Embassy that the warning had come from Scotland Yard and that as a result Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu didn't leave his hotel to head for Liverpool Street that morning. Scotland Yard have denied making the call.

3. The cancelled Luton to Kings Cross train implies the four alleged bombers could not make it in time to where they were supposed to have blown up the bombs.

4. Despite the number of cameras there is no CCTV evidence in the public domain that the four alleged bombers were anywhere on the tube network that day - CCTV snaps released to the press being from a 'dummy run' nine days before.

There are at least twenty more minor questions which also throw serious doubt on the government's 2006 'narrative' including evidence the famous Luton CCTV picture was 'Photoshopped', that the alleged bombers may have been terrorist exercise 'actors' and survivors' reports that the bombs exploded underneath the trains. There is also the fact that tube privatisation in October 2004 allowed an extremely secretive private Israeli business, Verint Systems, 24hr. access to London's entire Underground System. There have been no inquests for the alleged bombers as the law demands. Nobody will put their name to the government 'narrative' which is supposed to explain the attacks.

There is also the overall modus operandi in which the targeting of ordinary people, two-and-a-half million of whom turned out two years previously to protest against the attack on Iraq, contradicts the bombers supposed motives. With recent revelations that David Cameron's think tank 'Policy Exchange' has been caught fabricating evidence of Muslim extremism there is an alternative hypothesis developing: that God fearing Muslims have replaced the Soviet Union as establishment's 'bogey-men' and are being 'set-up' for far right interests, much like the Jews were demonised by the Nazis.

I am concerned about the racist overtones of the Government/Metropolitan Police's version of events which hasn't been properly tested in court amounting to a extra-judicial 'trial by media' of the four bombing suspects.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:57 pm    Post subject: Unconfirmed reports of three men shot... Reply with quote

Tony, there was also the very mysterious reports of three men being shot by police in the Canary Wharf area that afternoon. I find this quite a coincidence, if it is indeed true.

Scroll down to "Unconfirmed Reports" at the bottom of http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-mind-the-gaps-part-2.html
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Unconfirmed reports of three men shot... Reply with quote

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Tony, there was also the very mysterious reports of three men being shot by police in the Canary Wharf area that afternoon. I find this quite a coincidence, if it is indeed true.

Scroll down to "Unconfirmed Reports" at the bottom of http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-mind-the-gaps-part-2.html


Someone somewhere once made the very good point that the Canary Wharf rumours were one of the very first 'events' to implant or reinforce the idea of suicide bombers.

Across the varying testimonies that can be found on the web none of the sources get more accurate than hearsay evidence. None of the named or anonymouse sources have relevance to the event greater than being a relative or friend of a witness. No-one goes onto any more detail other than a brief line to say that some suicide bombers had been shot.

Brendan Spinks who is sometimes quoted as being a witness mentions seeing a 'rush of policemen' and nothing more (with regard to police activity). Because his words are interspersed with rumours of bombers being shot we're led to believe he said more than he did. The other newspaper to publish a report is the regional New Zealand Herald that circulates in the Auckland region and they were partly responsible for the character assasination of Richmal Oates-Whitehead. Again the source was anonymous so we should treat it with very little respect.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An update on the Home Office narrative seems timely. The Home offoice have changed the Luton train from the 7.40 to the 7.25. They have also made some changes to the period before the four allegedly entered Luton station. With this correction in place, the amended section of the official Home Office narrative now reads:
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05.07: A red Fiat Brava arrives at Luton station car park. Jermaine Lindsay is alone in this car. During the 90 minutes or so before the others arrive, Lindsay gets out and walks around, enters the station, looks up at the departure board, comes out, moves the car a couple of times. There are a handful of other cars in the car park. A few more arrive during this period.

06.49: The Micra arrives at Luton and parks next to the Brava. The 4 men get out of their respective cars, look in the boots of both, and appear to move items between them. They each put on rucksacks which CCTV shows are large and full. The 4 are described as looking as if they were going on a camping holiday.

One car contained explosive devices of a different and smaller kind from those in the rucksacks. It is not clear what they were for, but they may have been for self-defence or diversion in case of interception during the journey given their size; that they were in the car rather than the boot; and that they were left behind. Also left in the Micra were other items consistent with the use of explosives. A 9mm handgun was also found in the Brava. The Micra had a day parking ticket in the window, perhaps to avoid attention, the Brava did not.

07:14: Lindsay walks through the entrance foyer of the station, walks to the ticket hall and appears to check the departure board. Lindsay then walks back out of the station to rejoin Tanweer, Khan and Hussain at the rear of their vehicles. The 4 then put on their rucksacks and walk towards the station. They enter Luton station and go through the ticket barriers together. It is not known where they bought their tickets or what sort of tickets they possessed, but they must have had some to get on to the platform.

So, having put on their rucksacks at 6:49, the men apparently do so again at just after 7:14, with Lindsay checking the departure board again at this time, having done so previously at 05.07.

http://j7truth.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2007-01-01T00%3A00%3A00 Z&updated-max=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00Z&max-results=16

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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An update on the Home Office narrative seems timely. The Home offoice have changed the Luton train from the 7.40 to the 7.25. They have also made some changes to the period before the four allegedly entered Luton station. With this correction in place, the amended section of the official Home Office narrative now reads:
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05.07: A red Fiat Brava arrives at Luton station car park. Jermaine Lindsay is alone in this car. During the 90 minutes or so before the others arrive, Lindsay gets out and walks around, enters the station, looks up at the departure board, comes out, moves the car a couple of times. There are a handful of other cars in the car park. A few more arrive during this period.

06.49: The Micra arrives at Luton and parks next to the Brava. The 4 men get out of their respective cars, look in the boots of both, and appear to move items between them. They each put on rucksacks which CCTV shows are large and full. The 4 are described as looking as if they were going on a camping holiday.

One car contained explosive devices of a different and smaller kind from those in the rucksacks. It is not clear what they were for, but they may have been for self-defence or diversion in case of interception during the journey given their size; that they were in the car rather than the boot; and that they were left behind. Also left in the Micra were other items consistent with the use of explosives. A 9mm handgun was also found in the Brava. The Micra had a day parking ticket in the window, perhaps to avoid attention, the Brava did not.

07:14: Lindsay walks through the entrance foyer of the station, walks to the ticket hall and appears to check the departure board. Lindsay then walks back out of the station to rejoin Tanweer, Khan and Hussain at the rear of their vehicles. The 4 then put on their rucksacks and walk towards the station. They enter Luton station and go through the ticket barriers together. It is not known where they bought their tickets or what sort of tickets they possessed, but they must have had some to get on to the platform.

So, having put on their rucksacks at 6:49, the men apparently do so again at just after 7:14, with Lindsay checking the departure board again at this time, having done so previously at 05.07.

http://j7truth.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2007-01-01T00%3A00%3A00 Z&updated-max=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00Z&max-results=16


Correct me if I am wrong but did not the original official narrative include references to witness statements from the phantom train?

BTW Tony's 4 points in OP are the main ones and succintly put.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"There is a 7,600 million to one chance that he is telling the truth about his exercise having no link to the attack. "

This suggests that Power is lying, whereas the fact that he gave the information so freely points to a probability that he and his company were not complicit in the attacks - but innocently following instructions. Whoever employed Visor that day though...

I would word it as: "There is a 7,600 million to one chance that this exercise had no link to the attack."
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The source of the New Zealand newspaper story was a reporter from that country working for Reuters at Canary Wharf, who heard what happened and phoned his family in Christchurch. Presumably they took it to their paper, and a London source picked up on it.
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How about bringing in a woman’s view?
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5. Mohammed Khan’s widow, Hasina Patel, commented on his alleged posthumous video, ‘To me that’s not my husband, what I saw on TV is just a completely different person.’ Khan’s long-time friend Ian Barrett remarked (also on a radio interview) ‘It wasn’t his natural speaking rhythm…That weren’t him on that video.’ Locals around Dewsbury were generally quite sceptical that it was really him on the video. Thus it cannot be taken as evidence of Khan’s involvement.


The train time difficulty for the Govt’s story comes more from all of the trains being delayed that morning than one being cancelled, after all the previous one left Luton at 07.42 that morning.

Re Power’s story I’d just say ‘an improbability of well over a million to one’ rather than quoting a figure (which can be argued with).

Where does the 15 minute Netanyahu warning come in? The J7 site says the warning was ‘a few minutes’ before the blast. But then, 'Two weeks later the head of the Israeli Mossad, General Meir Dagan, said that he had warned Benjamin Netanyahu at 08.40 AM, on 7/7/2005, ten minutes before the first blast occurred, not to go to his appointment' - sounds reliable. Netanyahu himself denied it when he made his statement the day after – said he was on his way when he heard of the blast - but that sounds unlikely.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Re Power’s story I’d just say ‘an improbability of well over a million to one’ rather than quoting a figure (which can be argued with).


That's a good point - always better not to say things which can be argued with.

I think Tony's first draft is good and other posters have added some excellent points.

I think the point that the public find most convincing is the two video clips of the alleged bombers making political statements. On any publicity about it the point needs to be made that they could have been role playing in those recordings or the recordings could have been doctored in some way.

At a recent public talk by our terrorism tsar, Alexander Charles Carlile, Baron Carlile of Berriew, QC (born 12 February 1948) a Liberal Democrat member of the House of Lords, I asked him the question:
"Since we are to have no inquiry into 7/7 because Tony Blair says it would be a ludicrous diversion because 'we know who did it' has the principle of innocent until proven guilty now been superseded by that of prime minister's opinion?"

He replied that he thought the government had put forward a very credible narrative. I wanted to go on to say that he, as a lawyer should be able to distinguish between the value as evidence of an anonymous government narrative and testimony from witnesses or forensic evidence. Unfortunately I did not get the chance to explore the matter further with him. But the point about lack of evidence of culpability should be made and the fact that the families have been afforded no opportunity to clear the names of those who have been presumed guilty without convincing evidence.

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I agree Xmas,

This is the most comon point people come back to me with - 'what about the Kahn video' but people normally concede the point if it's been explained to them early on that the 4 lads were most likely duped into being terrorist 'actors' in Peter Power's exercise.
The video would be a natural part of the act.
When I was working for the Fire Brigade we did several of these 'exercises' whith various of us taking on roles such as the headmaster of a simulated school which was burning down, actually some firemen got really into the roles and were occasionally shouting even though they were'nt supposed to be. The whole thing was recorded for debriefing and playback afterwards.

The software was called Hydra and Minerva.

Avon and Somerset Police website wrote:

2.9 The aim of the Hydra and Minerva simulation systems is to bring police command training to life and to provide officers with experiences of incident command within a training setting that are readily transferable to the real-world of a live policing event. The system has been in existence for over seven years and feedback from other students suggests that the high levels of realism and immersion they experience on the Hydra and Minerva systems provided them with a true sense of ‘being there for real’.
2.10 Officers train within a safe but challenging setting where good practice can be identified and shared but where mistakes have no operational consequences.
2.11 In agreement with the Head of the Training School revised decisions have been made regarding the potential siting of the Hydra and Minerva facility within the Training School. NCALT have visited the site and approve of the siting of the facility there.
2.12 Rooms have been identified on the first floor of the Training School to meet the required specification. Although there is a displacement of staff, no building work is required on the first floor. It is accepted that there may be some additional trunking for wiring and decoration required, but there will be no physical moving walls and doorways and rebuilding new walls etc.
2.13 The ground floor would require new interview rooms to be built in the Video Unit and the analysts would require a new classroom to be built on the ground floor adjacent to the (SIO) rooms currently there.
2.14 All offices vacated or altered would be refurbished prior to any new accommodation taking place.
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I think the point that the public find most convincing is the two video clips of the alleged bombers making political statements. On any publicity about it the point needs to be made that they could have been role playing in those recordings or the recordings could have been doctored in some way.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I agree Xmas,

This is the most comon point people come back to me with - 'what about the Kahn video' but people normally concede the point if it's been explained to them early on that the 4 lads were most likely duped into being terrorist 'actors' in Peter Power's exercise.


There are two videos released thus far, those by Khan and Tanweer.

Interestingly both had been in Pakistan for many months in the time before their deaths.

I would consider it far more likely that they made the videos in Pakistan rather than they made them with Peter Power.

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Interestingly both had been in Pakistan for many months in the time before their deaths.


Do we have reliable evidence of their being in Pakistan?

There's no reason why they shouldn't have been in Pakistan visiting relatives.

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I would consider it far more likely that they made the videos in Pakistan rather than they made them with Peter Power.


You may be right, but that's speculation, as is theorising that they were involved in Peter Power's exercise
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How about bringing in a woman’s view?
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5. Mohammed Khan’s widow, Hasina Patel, commented on his alleged posthumous video, ‘To me that’s not my husband, what I saw on TV is just a completely different person.’ Khan’s long-time friend Ian Barrett remarked (also on a radio interview) ‘It wasn’t his natural speaking rhythm…That weren’t him on that video.’ Locals around Dewsbury were generally quite sceptical that it was really him on the video. Thus it cannot be taken as evidence of Khan’s involvement.


The train time difficulty for the Govt’s story comes more from all of the trains being delayed that morning than one being cancelled, after all the previous one left Luton at 07.42 that morning.

Re Power’s story I’d just say ‘an improbability of well over a million to one’ rather than quoting a figure (which can be argued with).

Where does the 15 minute Netanyahu warning come in? The J7 site says the warning was ‘a few minutes’ before the blast. But then, 'Two weeks later the head of the Israeli Mossad, General Meir Dagan, said that he had warned Benjamin Netanyahu at 08.40 AM, on 7/7/2005, ten minutes before the first blast occurred, not to go to his appointment' - sounds reliable. Netanyahu himself denied it when he made his statement the day after – said he was on his way when he heard of the blast - but that sounds unlikely.


It is far from certain that the explosions were all at 0850. The Piccadilly line explosion is put at 0852 or 0853 by Richard Barnes, Chair of the 7 July Review Committee of the Greater London Assembly. His source is probably the Met although confirmation of this was not forthcoming. The Aldgate explosion could have occurred much earlier. The BBC reported that an incident at Aldgate had occurred at 08.49:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_4650000/newsid_4659500/465958 3.stm

There were other links on the BBC site but the one above has not yet been purged.

I think it is quite possible that the Aldgate explosion occurred at 0846 or 0847.

Train 204 would have been at Aldgate Junction at this time if it was running according to the time table and there are no reports of delays on the Circle line that day.

You will not find anybody to defend 3 simultaneous explosions at 0850 to 0851 these days.

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Whether the four men could have caught the 7.24am train (which left at 7.25am)
http://www.nogw.com/download/2005_conclusions7-7.pdf
and have arrived at 8.23am in time to be filmed on CCTV at Kings Cross at 8.26am remains a controversial issue. FinancialOutrage.org.uk is adamant that they could not, even if they had pre-purchased tickets, have got onto the platform within the available three minutes because walking took those investigating the issue 3m35s:
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Walk? What about if they had ran? It would then have taken less than 3m35s! As they had 3 minutes, they might just have caught the departing train with seconds to spare.

If it really was impossible (has anyone independently checked this claim?), then they would have caught the train that left at 7.42am, arriving Kings Cross at 8.39am, that is, 13 minutes too late to be caught on camera!

I used to think this was a smoking gun disproving the official 7/7 scenario. Now I regard it as inconclusive, because it hinges on whether the men, perhaps told that there was a train about to leave from a certain platform, might have ran and caught it just in time, despite what FinancialOutrage.org.uk still believe, apparently.
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Micpsi wrote:
Whether the four men could have caught the 7.24am train (which left at 7.25am)
http://www.nogw.com/download/2005_conclusions7-7.pdf
and have arrived at 8.23am in time to be filmed on CCTV at Kings Cross at 8.26am remains a controversial issue. FinancialOutrage.org.uk is adamant that they could not, even if they had pre-purchased tickets, have got onto the platform within the available three minutes because walking took those investigating the issue 3m35s:
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A joint trial took 3 Minutes 35 Seconds to walk from the ground floor entrance, up and over to the ticket office, and back down to the London Platforms 1 & 3, without even including any time to purchase a ticket.

http://www.nogw.com/download/2005_conclusions7-7.pdf
Walk? What about if they had ran? It would then have taken less than 3m35s! As they had 3 minutes, they might just have caught the departing train with seconds to spare.

If it really was impossible (has anyone independently checked this claim?), then they would have caught the train that left at 7.42am, arriving Kings Cross at 8.39am, that is, 13 minutes too late to be caught on camera!

I used to think this was a smoking gun disproving the official 7/7 scenario. Now I regard it as inconclusive, because it hinges on whether the men, perhaps told that there was a train about to leave from a certain platform, might have ran and caught it just in time, despite what FinancialOutrage.org.uk still believe, apparently.


It does beg the question why they would run though?

I don't know if anyone's found out when the 7.40 was announced cancelled, as it would be a fairly salient piece of info. If it wasn't announced cancelled before they arrived why would they? Even if it was before the time they arrived at the station, it would lend more authority to the idea they would leg it to get the 7.24 but there is still the late running 7.48 they can get. Was it known to be late running when they arrived? If not they bust a gut running with heavy bombs on their backs to avoid being just 8 minutes off schedule. Even if it was known to be late then it's only a 16 minute delay.

Following the "running" version of events we have to consider they were desperate to detonate their bombs at the times they did, perhaps to catch rush hour, which would make sense.

But in order to make this leap it would be very useful to know what time the delays and cancellations were announced - if Luton transport is anything like London transport it'd have been ten minutes after they were already due! Smile

Ultimatley, because of the uncertainty of it all - the train times debacle is most useful in destroying the credibility of the narrative, and as a tool for calling for a proper inquiry; not neccesarily in demonstrating the possibility that the meat and bones of the official story is false.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:12 pm    Post subject: oops Reply with quote

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the 7.40 train cancellation was uncovered(never announced) by persistent application of FOI requests to the Luton station management, and were discovered by Xmas 05, I believe. Prole over at J7 is the one to ask.

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the 7.40 train cancellation was uncovered(never announced) by persistent application of FOI requests to the Luton station management, and were discovered by Xmas 05, I believe. Prole over at J7 is the one to ask.

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astro3 had a lot to do with it. I think he went up to Luton station in August 2005 along with Adrian Connock and they got in touch with Marie Bernes and Chris Hudson of Thameslink Trains. There was no FOI, they were very helpful.

astro3, will you retell the tale?

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I stand corrected.

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Walk? What about if they had ran? It would then have taken less than 3m35s! As they had 3 minutes, they might just have caught the departing train with seconds to spare.


They wouldn't have run if they were carrying dodgy explosives in a backpack...would they?

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To make my point clearer -

I wasn't asking when it became uncovered by Nick that the train had been cancelled.

I was asking whether it is known when on the day of 7/7 was the train announced as cancelled.

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It is hardly relevant whether they knew the 7.40 had been cancelled or not. It would be natural to run to a train seen standing on a London-bound platform.
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The narrative even says there were witnesses on the non-existent train who believe they saw the men. How could this be so when there was no such train? The anomalies in the narrative account regarding the train, its arrival time and how the men could have been sighted at Kings Cross only serve to cause much confusion.


http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-mind-the-gaps-part-1.html#train

I would like an original source for this narrative since it is forensic proof of an attempted frame-up coming unstuck because of the unforseen cancellation of the original narrative train.

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It is hardly relevant whether they knew the 7.40 had been cancelled or not. It would be natural to run to a train seen standing on a London-bound platform.


With bombs on your backs when another train was due in a few minutes? Really?

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We need a killer 7/7 documentry and enough cash to send a copy to everry household in the Greater London Area - though with over a million homes we'd be talking £2 million for DVD pressing and postage Crying or Very sad
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It is hardly relevant whether they knew the 7.40 had been cancelled or not. It would be natural to run to a train seen standing on a London-bound platform.


So spending half an hour milling about outside the station and then running for a train with a bomb on your back is natural? And you call us the conspira-loons?
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It is hardly relevant whether they knew the 7.40 had been cancelled or not. It would be natural to run to a train seen standing on a London-bound platform.


So spending half an hour milling about outside the station and then running for a train with a bomb on your back is natural? And you call us the conspira-loons?

They had driven down from Leeds with the bombs, which were clearly not unstable explosives like nitroglycerine, why should they be?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They had driven down from Leeds with the bombs, which were clearly not unstable explosives like nitroglycerine, why should they be?


How do you know they didn't pick up the backpacks from a third party in Luton?
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They had driven down from Leeds with the bombs, which were clearly not unstable explosives like nitroglycerine, why should they be?


How do you know they didn't pick up the backpacks from a third party in Luton?

The bomb factory was at 18 Alexandra Grove in the Hyde Park area of Leeds.
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They had driven down from Leeds with the bombs, which were clearly not unstable explosives like nitroglycerine, why should they be?


How do you know they didn't pick up the backpacks from a third party in Luton?

The bomb factory was at 18 Alexandra Grove in the Hyde Park area of Leeds.


Allegedly.... but this is just part of the official conspiracy theory. Maybe that 'bomb factory' was set up by their contact Haroon Aswat, the MI6 agent, now comfortably out of the way in a US jail (MI6 refused to hand him over when asked before 7/7), along with MI6 themselves and one or two mentally defective Muslim dupes.

There's no point arguing about this. The point is we don't know what happened on 7/7.

I disbelieve everything the government say about 7/7 and you accept it all.

Shame we didn't get an inquiry into it, eh?
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