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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:22 am    Post subject: Bombay/Mumbai terror targets Hindu investigator Karkare? Reply with quote

ISI's political wing banned
A little-known terrorist group.......
What have Pakistan's Post-Musharraf CIA been up to?
Commander in Chief of the Indian Anti-Terror Police, who was investigating recent atrocities, and at least one more senior Indian Policeman were assassinated.
This was no amateurish attack.



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Terror attacks in Mumbai; 80 dead, over 900 injured

Mumbai (AsiaNews/Agencies) - An unknown group, the Deccan Mujahedeen, claimed responsibility of a number of violent terror attacks in the city of Mumbai. Terrorists used heavy machine guns and grenades killing at least 80 and sending more than 900 to hospital.

The attacks were aimed to strike at the city's most high-profile targets: rail terminus; domestic airports, hospitals and the luxury hotels Oberoi and Taj Hotel at the Gateway.

The attacks appeared to be aimed at getting international attention as the terrorists took up to 40 British nationals and other foreigners hostage.

During the night there were reports of firing around several landmark buildings, including the Taj hotel, Oberoi and other tourist attractions. Police and the army have surrounded the buildings and are engaged in a battle.

There has been a wave of bombings in Indian cities in recent months which has left scores of people dead. Most of the attacks have been blamed on Muslim militants, although police have also arrested suspected Hindu extremists. A series of attacks in Mumbai in July 2006 killed almost 190 people and injured more than 700.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny how Russia Today says security at Taj was tight and CNN says the opposite Shocked


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russia Today got it wrong.
Tight security had recently been relaxed.

Was the Indian Anti-Terror chief unwittingly meeting with representatives of the ISI when he was assassinated?

And the raid then kicked off?

Absurd disinfo that he was killed when charging in with his anti-terror squad was being peddled earlier today.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:55 pm    Post subject: India's worst terror attack - live feed Reply with quote

India's worst terror attack - live feed

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/video/video_live.aspx?id=0

Been watching this live feed for about an hour. First someone was saying Al-Qaeda over and over, then the other guy said they don't know who did it. Then they show the weapons they used and - not one, but two credit cards with pictures on them, have been found.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TonyGosling wrote:
Russia Today got it wrong.
Tight security had recently been relaxed.

Was the Indian Anti-Terror chief unwittingly meeting with representatives of the ISI when he was assassinated?

And the raid then kicked off?

Absurd disinfo that he was killed when charging in with his anti-terror squad was being peddled earlier today.


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CNN say it at the end of a report kind of 'oh well more fool them for not being security conscious' like, kind of taking the edge off how sophisticated the attackers were??
Its a hotel also not Fort Knox Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red Alert: Possible Geopolitical Consequences of the Mumbai Attacks (Open Access)
Stratfor Today » November 27, 2008 | 0434 GMT
Fire at Mumbai's Taj Mahal hotel after Nov. 26 attack
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A fire in the dome of the Taj Hotel in Mumbai on Nov. 26


If the Nov. 26 attacks in Mumbai were carried out by Islamist militants as it appears, the Indian government will have little choice, politically speaking, but to blame them on Pakistan. That will in turn spark a crisis between the two nuclear rivals that will draw the United States into the fray.


* Militant Attacks In Mumbai and Their Consequences

At this point the situation on the ground in Mumbai remains unclear following the militant attacks of Nov. 26. But in order to understand the geopolitical significance of what is going on, it is necessary to begin looking beyond this event at what will follow. Though the situation is still in motion, the likely consequences of the attack are less murky.

We will begin by assuming that the attackers are Islamist militant groups operating in India, possibly with some level of outside support from Pakistan. We can also see quite clearly that this was a carefully planned, well-executed attack.

Given this, the Indian government has two choices. First, it can simply say that the perpetrators are a domestic group. In that case, it will be held accountable for a failure of enormous proportions in security and law enforcement. It will be charged with being unable to protect the public. On the other hand, it can link the attack to an outside power: Pakistan. In that case it can hold a nation-state responsible for the attack, and can use the crisis atmosphere to strengthen the government’s internal position by invoking nationalism. Politically this is a much preferable outcome for the Indian government, and so it is the most likely course of action. This is not to say that there are no outside powers involved — simply that, regardless of the ground truth, the Indian government will claim there were.

That, in turn, will plunge India and Pakistan into the worst crisis they have had since 2002. If the Pakistanis are understood to be responsible for the attack, then the Indians must hold them responsible, and that means they will have to take action in retaliation — otherwise, the Indian government’s domestic credibility will plunge. The shape of the crisis, then, will consist of demands that the Pakistanis take immediate steps to suppress Islamist radicals across the board, but particularly in Kashmir. New Delhi will demand that this action be immediate and public. This demand will come parallel to U.S. demands for the same actions, and threats by incoming U.S. President Barack Obama to force greater cooperation from Pakistan.

If that happens, Pakistan will find itself in a nutcracker. On the one side, the Indians will be threatening action — deliberately vague but menacing — along with the Americans. This will be even more intense if it turns out, as currently seems likely, that Americans and Europeans were being held hostage (or worse) in the two hotels that were attacked. If the attacks are traced to Pakistan, American demands will escalate well in advance of inauguration day.

There is a precedent for this. In 2002 there was an attack on the Indian parliament in Mumbai by Islamist militants linked to Pakistan. A near-nuclear confrontation took place between India and Pakistan, in which the United States brokered a stand-down in return for intensified Pakistani pressure on the Islamists. The crisis helped redefine the Pakistani position on Islamist radicals in Pakistan.

In the current iteration, the demands will be even more intense. The Indians and Americans will have a joint interest in forcing the Pakistani government to act decisively and immediately. The Pakistani government has warned that such pressure could destabilize Pakistan. The Indians will not be in a position to moderate their position, and the Americans will see the situation as an opportunity to extract major concessions. Thus the crisis will directly intersect U.S. and NATO operations in Afghanistan.

It is not clear the degree to which the Pakistani government can control the situation. But the Indians will have no choice but to be assertive, and the United States will move along the same line. Whether it is the current government in India that reacts, or one that succeeds doesn’t matter. Either way, India is under enormous pressure to respond. Therefore the events point to a serious crisis not simply between Pakistan and India, but within Pakistan as well, with the government caught between foreign powers and domestic realities. Given the circumstances, massive destabilization is possible — never a good thing with a nuclear power.

This is thinking far ahead of the curve, and is based on an assumption of the truth of something we don’t know for certain yet, which is that the attackers were Muslims and that the Pakistanis will not be able to demonstrate categorically that they weren’t involved. Since we suspect they were Muslims, and since we doubt the Pakistanis can be categorical and convincing enough to thwart Indian demands, we suspect that we will be deep into a crisis within the next few days, very shortly after the situation on the ground clarifies itself.

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Militants who attacked Mumbai came from Pakistan: army official


November 28, 2008 - 2:46AM
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Militants who staged multiple attacks in the Indian city of Mumbai, killing at least 125 people and injuring hundreds more, came from Pakistan, a senior military official said on Thursday.

"They are from across the border and perhaps from Faridkot, Pakistan. They tried to pretend that they were from Hyderabad," Major General R.K. Hooda, leading the military operation to flush out the extremists, told reporters.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:34 pm    Post subject: Mumbai The Mossad Angle Reply with quote

Mumbai The Mossad Angle

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It is 4AM in India right now. I am in Mumbai reporting from the ground. I have not slept a wink. Mumbai is under attack. People and forces who killed Mahatama Gandhi, who demolished the Babari Mosque have triumphed. More than 16 groups of terrorists have taken over Taj, Oberai and several hotels. Hundreds of people are dead. For the first time no one is blaming Muslim organizations. The Mumbai ATS chief Hemant Karkare and other officers of the ATS have been killed. These were the same people who were investigating the Malegaon Blasts–in which Praggya Singh, an army officer and several other noted personalities of the BJP-RSS-Bajrang Dal-VHP were arrested. Karkare was the man to arrest them. Karkare was receiving threats from several quarters. LK Advani, the BJP chief and several other prominent leaders of the so-called Hindu terrorism squad were gunning for his head. And the first casualty in the terrorist attack was Karkare! He is dead–gone–the firing by terrorists began from Nariman House–which is the only building in Mumbai inhabited by Jews. Some Hindu Gujaratis of the Nariman area spoke live on several TV channels–they openly said that the firing by terrorists began from Nariman house. And that for two years suspicious activities were going on in this house. But no one took notice.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:42 pm    Post subject: Obama Transition Statement on Mumbai Terrorist Attacks Reply with quote

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26 November 2008

Below is a statement from the Obama Transition Chief National Security Spokesperson Brooke Anderson on the terrorist attacks in Mumbai, India:

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President-Elect Obama strongly condemns today's terrorist attacks in Mumbai, and his thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families, and the people of India. These coordinated attacks on innocent civilians demonstrate the grave and urgent threat of terrorism. The United States must continue to strengthen our partnerships with India and nations around the world to root out and destroy terrorist networks. We stand with the people of India, whose democracy will prove far more resilient than the hateful ideology that led to these attacks.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:06 am    Post subject: Mumbai The Mossad Angle Reply with quote

http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/2008/11/27/mumbai-the-mossad-angle.ht ml

excerpts from 'Mumbai The Mossad Angle'

Dictatorship Watch, 27 October 2008


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The Mumbai ATS chief Hemant Karkare and other officers of the ATS have been killed. These were the same people who were investigating the Malegaon Blasts–in which Praggya Singh, an army officer and several other noted personalities of the BJP-RSS-Bajrang Dal-VHP were arrested. Karkare was the man to arrest them. Karkare was receiving threats from several quarters. LK Advani, the BJP chief and several other prominent leaders of the so-called Hindu terrorism squad were gunning for his head. And the first casualty in the terrorist attack was Karkare!

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A photograph published in Urdu Times, Mumbai, clearly shows that Mossad and ex-Mossad men came to India and met Sadhus and other pro-Hindutva elements recently. A conspiracy was clearly hatched.


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http://www.aol.in/news-story/prosecutor-in-malegaon-blast-case-gets-th reat-to-life/2008111510439012000013

Prosecutor in Malegaon blast case gets threat to life

AOL News, 15 November 2008


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Special public prosecutor Ajay Misar, appearing for the Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) of the Maharashtra police in the Malegaon bomb blast case, Saturday lodged a complaint with the police here that he has received threat to his life.Misar in his complaint told city police chief Himanshu Roy that the threat call received from a public phone booth, with number 699132, said: “Hum tumhara, Hemant Karkare (Mumbai joint police commissioner in-charge of the ATS) ka aur Mohan Kulkarni (senior ATS officer) ka game karenge (We will kill you, Hemant Karkare and Mohan Kulkarni).”

As many as 12 hardline Hindutva activists, including Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur, Lt. Col Prasad Purohit and self-proclaimed Shankaracharya Dayanand Pandey have so far been arrested by the Maharashtra ATS for their alleged involvement in the Sep 29 Malegaon bomb blast in which six people were killed.



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: Obama Transition Statement on Mumbai Terrorist Attacks Reply with quote

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http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gGxXSv

26 November 2008

Below is a statement from the Obama Transition Chief National Security Spokesperson Brooke Anderson on the terrorist attacks in Mumbai, India:

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President-Elect Obama strongly condemns today's terrorist attacks in Mumbai, and his thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families, and the people of India. These coordinated attacks on innocent civilians demonstrate the grave and urgent threat of terrorism. The United States must continue to strengthen our partnerships with India and nations around the world to root out and destroy terrorist networks. We stand with the people of India, whose democracy will prove far more resilient than the hateful ideology that led to these attacks.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Times is already perpetrating the myth that Hemant Karkare, who had also been investigating Hindu terrorism, led a mad charge into the fray rather than was killed at the outset and was a target from the outset.

What did Hemant Karkare know?

Most peculiar.

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Mr Karkare’s decision to lead his troops from the front was typical of India’s anti-terrorism commanders. The country has a tradition of promoting police officers who specialise in “encounter killings” – a controversial form of extrajudicial justice used against suspected criminals. It is not unusual for such men to have dozens of kills to their name.

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Ex CIA analyst says Back Off Middle East to stop farther attack.
Says Russia and China are happy to watch US Empire weaken itself and get into more trouble-

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Coast_Guard_locates_suspected_terro rist_ship_M_V_Alpha/articleshow/3765920.cms

Coast Guard locates suspected terrorist ship M V Alpha
27 Nov 2008, 1805 hrs IST, PTI

MUMBAI: M V Alpha, a ship which is suspected to have carried the perpetrators of the Mumbai terror attacks, was today found 112 km from here by the
Coast Guard, officials said.

A CG spokesman said that searches were being carried out on board the ship but declined to elaborate.

The Coast Guard had launched two aircraft, choppers and its vessels after receiving information that the ship could have carried the terrorists from Gujarat to Mumbai.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/In_Nariman_House_Jewish_sect_ targeted/articleshow/3767336.cms

In Nariman House, Jewish sect targeted
28 Nov 2008, 0513 hrs IST, TNN

The terrorists knew who they were targeting. Nariman House in Colaba is the Mumbai headquarters of the ultra-orthodox Chabad-Lubavitch movement of Hasidic Jews. Assuming the attackers were Islamic terrorists, Israelis were a deliberate target.

Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg and his wife Rivka have been held hostages. The Jerusalem Post said the terrorists released the rabbi’s young son and his nanny. It said the rabbi and his wife were unconscious.

Three-four terrorists are said to be in the house. Nariman House was renamed Chabad House after the group bought it two years ago.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see no MV and nothing mildly Viet or Pakistani about this image.



I'll copy the Viet story as I'm sure it'll dissapear!!!

Navy gives clean chit to MV Alpha
hThursday, November 27, 2008
http://news.in.msn.com/national/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1709518
Mumbai: The Navy which intercepted and board a Vietnam-registered ship MV Alpha, has given the clean chit to the vessel after questioning the crew and checking their papers.

Television reports quoted officials of the Defence Ministry to state that the ship was intercepted and searched as per the international maritime laws. The papers were found in order and the ship was allowed to proceed on the Panama route.

Navy has intercepted and boarded the suspect MV Alpha, a Vietnamese registered ship, that is suspected to have dropped the terrorists off the coast of Mumbai.

The Navy's Leander class frigate 'Vindhyagiri' and naval helicopters from the INS Kunjali were involved in pursuit of the merchant vessel.

Defence officials had said 40 marine commandos were involved in the anti-terror operations in South Mumbai till morning and rescued 300 people. One Marine Commando (MARCO) has been injured and being treated for the injuries. In the operation the commandos recovered a bag with cash, ammunition and credit cards.
Source: India Syndicate

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Navy gives clean chit to MV Alpha

Archana Masih in Mumbai | November 27, 2008 15:16 IST
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Hmm having difficulties already with this one-
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/coast-guards-failure/391461/ or
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/coast-guard-locates-suspected-terror ist-ship-mv-alpha/391461/
2 Pak vessels apprehended off Gujarat coast
Posted: Nov 27, 2008 at 2208 hrs IST
New Delhi: In its search to find the 'mother ship' of the terrorists who have attacked Mumbai, India apprehended two Pakistani merchant vessels off the coast of Gujarat in a joint operation carried out by the Navy, Coast Guard and the water wing of the Border Security Force (BSF).

"We have apprehended two cargo ships in a joint operation near the Gujarat coast while they were sailing to Karachi. They are suspected to be the ships that ferried the terrorists near to Mumbai coast yesterday," Home Ministry sources said.

The three sea-guarding forces were put on a high alert after intelligence agencies gave inputs about a merchant vessel, suspected to be involved in the Terror attacks on Mumbai since Wednesday, trying to move towards Karachi in Pakistan.

The forces were, in fact, conducting their routine joint exercises in the general area of the Gujarat coast when they received the intelligence inputs and they immediately diverted their assets for searching the run-away merchant vessel.

"In the evening, Indian ships sighted two ships including the one about which intelligence agencies had given a tip-off," Home Ministry sources said.

The Indian ships apprehended both the cargo ships, which were identified as MV Alpha and MV Al Kabir. Officers of the three forces were ascertaining the credentials of the crew on board the two ships, sources added.

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The Navy has pressed warships, choppers and surveillance aircraft to scour high seas in and around Mumbai. It intercepted MV Alpha, a Vietnamese registered ship, but let it pass after a thorough search.


http://www.breakingnewsonline.net/2008/11/two-ships-mv-alpha-and-al-ka bir.html
Thursday, November 27, 2008
Two Ships 'MV Alpha' and 'Al Kabir' detained at the Coast of Okha, Gujarat

Breaking News! The Indian Navy has detained two ships - 'MV Alpha' and 'Al Kabir' have been detailed at the coast of Okha, Gujarat just a couple of hours ago. The ships were detained following a joint operation conducted by the Indian Navy, Coast Guards and the BSF.

The ships had come to Mumbai from Karachi. The intelligence sources believe that these two ships transported terrorists and speed boats to Mumbai. The captains and crew of the ships are being interrogated. If these ships indeed transported the terrorists to Mumbai, it will be seen as a major maritime intelligence failure for India.

In another development, Amar Singh, the Captain of a Porbandar boat, 'Kuber' was found murdered this evening. Four fishermen, who used to work on 'Kuber' are missing. The Coast Guard has taken control of the ship and searching for the missing fishermen. The security personnel are trying to find out any possible links between the murder of Amar Singh, captain of 'Kuber' and Mumbai terror attack. They believe that terrorists had hijacked Kuber and killed Amar Singh. (Content Copyright: Breaking News Online)

2 of the 3 images on the web are actually taken from a ship called MV.Alpha Future
http://www.flickr.com/photos/papo/sets/72157604017028047/

Warship set to intercept suspect ship

Thursday, 27 November , 2008, 21:03
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Defence Ministry sources have revealed that a warship had set sail already on its mission to intercept the merchant vessel.

MV Alpha was in Indian waters from November 19 to 26. It had claimed to have come to India from Saudi Arabia and left on November 26 evening, quoting its destination to be Kuwait, sources added.

The cargo ship was last located at 50 nautical miles away from Mumbai coast at 0700 hours today.

‘Very well planned and executed operation’

Also, a Dornier short-range maritime surveillance aircraft each from the Navy and the Coast Guard were flown out of Mumbai and Goa to search for the merchant ship.

The Navy was using its assets from its air station INS Kunjali to block the sea route between India and Pakistan, as it expected the terrorists to use the same ship to flee or to provide reinforcements in the form of men and supplies to the terrorists.

The IAF, on its part, scrambled its Jamnagar-based Jaguar maritime aircraft to patrol the region to look for the merchant vessel.

Terror-hit Mumbai comes to a standstill

The terrorists, Defence Ministry sources said, used three inflatable Zodiac Gemini boats from MV Alpha to reach the shores of Mumbai and launch the attack on 10 landmarks of the economic capital of the country.

Budhwar Park coastal area of Mumbai, sources said, was identified as the point where the terrorists landed, after the security forces recovered the abandoned inflatable boats there.

The terrorists later dispersed into small groups and struck at designated areas that they had surveyed extensively before the attacks, the Minister was told at the meeting.

Back to Vietnam and an interesting dead link:-
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64. EASTERN DRAGON SHIPPING Co ., Ltd
"MV. Alpha , Class : VR ( Vietnam Register of Shipping),Vietnamese crew Single Decker, GRT/NRT/DWT : 4477/2802/ 7677MT Loa:109.25M, Breadth: 17.00 M, ..."
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« GAUTAM ADHIKARI SPEAK UP… DO SOMETHING…SAY OPENLY THAT THE RSS-MOSSAD ARE RESPONSIBLE–OTHERWISE BE DAMNED AND CONSIDER THE NATION DOOMED. THEY KILLED KARKARE TO SEND A MESSAGE THAT YOU CANNOT INVESTIGATE THE MOSSAD-RSS ANGLE.
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QUESTIONS IN PUBLIC ARENA ABOUT MUMBAI’S NIGHT OF TERROR - By Ghulam Muhammed
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Thursday, November 27, 2008

QUESTIONS IN PUBLIC ARENA ABOUT MUMBAI’S NIGHT OF TERROR

1. With death threats against him already on record, why ATS Chief Hemant Karkare exposed himself on the streets of Mumbai as shown by TV clips, putting his safety helmet on? Who shot him? The terrorists or some insider? Had he got his fate sealed with his successes in exposing the hitherto hidden Hindu terrorism side of Hindutva movement in India?

2. How ‘Nariman House’ came into the focus of the terrorists? Why Indian TV Channels refrained from mentioning that the building was a residence of Israeli Jews in India, owned by a Jewish trust, Chabad-Lubavitch, as reported by Jerusalem Post. JP reported: Chabad-Lubavitch fears for the safety of its Mumbai rabbi.

3. Why there was no news of any harm done to either the hostages in the Nariman House or the two five-star Hotels? Why the ‘terrorists’ became so coy in carrying out their ‘mission’. It smacks of some dubious antecedents of the ‘terrorists’.

4. Has the ‘terrorist’ attacks in Mumbai, has some connections with the Delhi elections. It is being reported that BJP was to end up third after Congress and BSP in the elections. If BJP were to do so badly in Delhi elections, they would have to write off their hopes for a come-back in next Lok Sabha elections.

5. Why CNN is connecting a local ‘terrorist’ attack to Al Qaida and making grounds for US/UK/Israel to muscle into the imbroglio as ‘interested parties’, so as to dictate terms on Indian government. Could it be a classic covert operation of entrapment of India?

6. Is India being prepared for a localized war with Pakistan?

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Lashkar is the prime suspect
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/FullcoverageStoryPage.aspx?id= cfacc3f4-d5b0-48d5-8fd5-ab92fee1cac0Mumbaiunderattack_Special&MatchID1 =4858&TeamID1=1&TeamID2=5&MatchType1=1&SeriesID1=1224&MatchID2=4862&Te amID3=9&TeamID4=8&MatchType2=2&SeriesID2=1225&PrimaryID=4858&Headline= Lashkar+is+the+prime+suspect
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First Published: 01:54 IST(28/11/2008)
Last Updated: 03:57 IST(28/11/2008)

The terror attacks in Mumbai bear all the hallmarks of the Lashkar-e-Tayyeba. They were similar to the attack on the Akshardham temple on September 24, 2002, the one in Ayodhya on July 5, 2005, and the one at the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh headquarters in Nagpur on June 2, 2006 — all handiwork of the Lashkar, inspired by the Al-Qaeda.

All the attacks were carried out by highly motivated, trained men in the 20- to 25-year age group. The attackers in all the cases were armed with Kalashnikov assault rifles and grenades.

Security personnel said the militants were eating little, consuming mainly almonds, dates and chocolates — as in the previous attacks. They also appeared to have scouted out their targets earlier.

These are all typical of the Lashkar, which carried out the hijacking of Indian Airlines flight IC 814 from Kathmandu to Kandahar.

In Delhi, leaders of India’s security establishment too insisted the terrorists in Mumbai were Lashkar members operating out of Pakistan.

There were intelligence inputs that about a dozen terrorists travelled by sea to Gujarat two days ago and used a fishing vessel to get close to Mumbai. “They then took a motor boat to reach Colaba,” a senior Home Ministry official said.

Special Secretary (Home Ministry) ML Kumawat said the terrorists passed through the fishing colony near Badhwar Park before going to South Mumbai.

"This is not a splinter group like the Indian Mujahideen or one which calls itself Deccan Mujahideen. Given how they targeted Britons and Americans, it seems to be a Qaeda-inspired affair,” an intelligence official said.

Navy officers too said this. "A mother ship or a dhow appears to have ferried them to a point from where they boarded… inflatable boats that can carry about 10 people and run on petrol,” a naval officer said. “We suspect that the mother ship, travelling at 20 nautical miles per hour, could have crossed 400 nautical miles (740 km) by now.”

The Lashkar, meanwhile, denied involvement in the attacks. Abdullah Gaznavi, a spokesperson, said the Lashkar does not operate outside Kashmir.

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Militants who attacked Mumbai came from Pakistan: army official


November 28, 2008 - 2:46AM
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Militants who staged multiple attacks in the Indian city of Mumbai, killing at least 125 people and injuring hundreds more, came from Pakistan, a senior military official said on Thursday.

"They are from across the border and perhaps from Faridkot, Pakistan. They tried to pretend that they were from Hyderabad," Major General R.K. Hooda, leading the military operation to flush out the extremists, told reporters.

http://news.smh.com.au/world/militants-who-attacked-mumbai-came-from-p akistan-army-official-20081128-6k6q.html


Not sure what to make of this but it looks like trouble.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24719264-12377,00.h tml

India apprehends Pakistan ships

From correspondents in New Delhi | November 28, 2008
Article from: Agence France-Presse

TWO Pakistani merchant vessels have been apprehended off the coast of India following militant attacks in Mumbai, the official Press Trust of India reports.

The agency quoted Home Ministry sources today as saying the ships were stopped off the coast of Gujarat state, just north of Mumbai.

The report came after the Indian navy said it was following up on suspicions that the gunmen who attacked the city, killing at least 125 people, had reached the city by speedboat after being dropped off by a larger ship.

It also comes after Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said the militants had come from "outside the country" and the military official leading the operation to flush them out explicitly insisted they were from arch-rival Pakistan.

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Israeli FM Livni speaks with Indian FM Mukherjee

Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs, 27 November 2008


Vice Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Tzipi Livni spoke this afternoon (Thursday, 27 November 2008) with Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Kumar Mukherjee.

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"Israel, India and the rest of the free world are positioned in the forefront of the battle against terrorism and extremists. Unfortunately, we were harshly reminded of this once again yesterday. The struggle against terror must be a communal struggle, and compels us to improve our cooperation on this front. Israel is ready to assist India in any way possible."
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It seems that the glaring incongruity right now can be summed up in 2 words - "Hemant Karkare".

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CIA, MOSSAD HAND BEHIND SANGH PARIVAR'S EXTREMISTS! -

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Wednesday, November 26, 2008

Front Page News

CIA, MOSSAD HAND BEHIND SANGH PARIVAR'S EXTREMISTS!

Central Intelligence Agencies vigilant investigating in the aftermath of Malegaon blast; Enquiry being held into the February 2007 visit of prominent Israeli religious delegation and meetings with Hindutvadi Sadhu, Sanths and political leaders; Mossad infiltration a cause of deep concern for Intelligence officials

New Delhi, November 25: (Agencies) – According to an exposé in a national daily published from Madhya Pradesh and several other cities, in the aftermath of the arrests of Sadhu, Sadhvi, and other extremist Hindutvadis as involved in the Malegaon bomb blast, Intelligence agencies are now concentrating on foreign connections of the radical Hindutvadis.

In an special report published by the national daily, it has exposed this sensational news that in central intelligence agencies are to be believed, extremist Hindutvadis have got support and motivation from Israeli secret agency, Mossad's operations against the Arab and Muslim countries in the past.

The newspaper writes that relations between Mossad and CIA are world known. Report mentions that intelligence agencies are worried about the infiltration of Mossad and CIA in the country. According to undisclosed sources, Indian intelligence agencies are now examining the full details of the visit of Israel's religious leaders to India and their meetings withSadhu, Sanths. Intelligence agencies are investigating all those Hindu and Muslim leaders that the Israeli religious delegation had met.

According to the newspaper, it was during the rule of BJP's Atul Behari Vajpayee; a beginning was made for the visits of Hindutvadis, and especially Sadhus anddharam gurus of the Sangh Parivar to Israel. These visits have been on the increase. It was during Vajpayee's time, that the visits to Israel and consequently the relations and contacts of Sangh Parivar Dharam gurus and Hindutva leaders with Israelincreased manifold.

According to the newspaper, for last ten years, the central intelligence agencies have been closely studying and analyzing the growing strength of Hindutvadi and Sangh Parivar organisations and the increasing violence through these organisations against Muslims, Christians, and minorities in Gujarat,Orissa, Karnataka and other states. Intelligence agencies have disclosed that the visits of Jews and Israeli rabbis was not very frequent in the past, but it has increased to worrisome proportions, during last few years. Of all, the most studied is the February 2007 visit to Delhi of the delegation of Israeli Jewish religious leaders. The delegation was headed byIsrael's Chief Rabbi, Yonah Metzger.

In this delegation, Jewish religious leaders from Israelas well as others rabbis from Belgium and Spain too were included. In India, the Israel Jewish religious delegation met important Hindutva leaders, which included especially the RSS Chief K. S. Sudharshan, President of VHP, Ashok Singhal, VHP leader Vishnu Hari Dalmia.

After the meeting of the Sadhu Sanths and Jewish leaders, both delegations had issued a common manifesto.

In this meeting, Jewish Rabbis expressed grave concern over the details of the terrorist attacks allegedly carried out by Muslims, as narrated by Hindu dharam gurus. Secret Service sources disclosed that at the invitation of Israeli Jewish religious leaders, a delegation of Hindutva leaders had visited Israel this year. In this, some leaders of Sangh Parivar too were included.

The national daily, published from Madhya Pradesh and other places, in its report has exposed that the officials of the national intelligence agencies have categorically stated that American secret service agency, CIA together with Israel's secret organisation Mossad, has carried out several secret operation all over Asia.

And now that the bomb blast of Malegaon and Modasa had involved the names of the fake Shankaracharya Amaranand alias Dayanand Pande, Sadhvi Pragya Thakur, enquiries and investigation of relations between Jewish and Hindutva religious leaders from Israel and India are being severely felt and is being analyzed. This was disclosed by the newspaper report.
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Rashtriya Sahara, Urdu Daily, Mumbai

Wednesday, November 26, 2008

Front Page News

Why investigation of Israeli connection of Hindutvadis?

New Delhi, November 25: The way ATS has arrested Hindutva extremists belonging to Sangh Parivar, in connection with Malegaon bomb blast, facts have emerged of international networking and support to Hindutva radicals. This has alarmed national intelligence community. India's internal and external intelligence agencies and RAW have got busy trying to figure out if there is some big international conspiracy is being hatched behind the activities of hardline extremists of Sangh Parivar.

According to secret sources, back in February 2007, an Israeli delegation headed by Israel's Chief Rabbi, Yonah Metzger, and accompanied by several high ranking Jewish religious leaders, had visited India. This Jewish Religious delegation held meetings with many Sadhus, Sanths and Dharam gurus.

The delegation also met some Muslim leaders. Now intelligence agencies have started investigations of the meetings of the Israeli delegation and local Sadhus, Sanths and dharam gurus. It is mentioned that the delegation of Israeli Jewish religious leaders has met leaders and dharam gurus from RSS, Sangh Parivar, VHP and BJP. Lal Krishna Advani had arranged a dinner for the visiting Israeli Jewish religious leaders' delegation and others included in the delegation, at his own residence.

According to high official, though the meeting of Sangh Parivar's leaders to Israeli delegation is not of undue importance, but the way America's secret service, CIA and Israel's secret agency, Mossad, are infiltrating in Central Asian and South Asian countries, it is giving strength to the suspicions that in such delegations, members of foreign intelligence get included and through interaction and infiltration, secret operations are carried out.

Those organisations that organise and support such visits and meetings, may or may not be aware of the secret mission of foreign agencies, the truth can come out only on investigations. For this reason, the national agencies are now concentrating on investigation of Sangh Parivar and its connections with Israeli lobby and Mossad.
(Translated from Urdu)
# posted by GHULAM MUHAMMED, MUMBAI @ 6:30 AM
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MOSSAD+CIA+INDIA=9-11
# posted by Anonymous Anonymous : 6:29 PM

Mossad uses these extremmists for terrorist acts that are eventually blamed on muslims.

The Israelis have convinced the hindu extremists that they can help wipe Islam from India and since the muslims of India are mostly law abiding citizens the Israelis have concocted these terror plots to generate hate for muslims and start a secretarian incident in which the muslims are too out numbered.

This is sad for India-because in the end citizens of India will be hurt, which will hurt India as a country.

Hindus and muslims must both join hands against these evil forces to protect India.

The Israelis want muslims weakened all over the world-it would love a nuclear confrontation between India and Pakistan. A prospect that could lead to the annilation of Pakistan but India could be destroyed too....but the Israelis really don't care. They're our friends as long as they can use us after that we're on our own.
# posted by Anonymous Anonymous : 6:26 AM

But, as we have been seeing, the Western Media …. the CIA’s Might Wurlitzer is already chanting Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda… ‘Problem, Reaction, Solution’ …. the same, tediously continuing, formula. The ‘Solution’ this time will be more bombing of Pakistan.
# posted by Blogger Shrink Rat : 9:08 AM

We must win the war FOR PEACE between nations and religions against those mother * of the "intelligence" community that promote the clash of civilisation and perpetual wars for their masters to make money of
# posted by Anonymous Anonymous : 12:28 PM

If it is true that Israel has convinced India that they wipe Islam out, I am all for it. Islam is a disease that has infected humanity for the past few centuries & we now need to find a cure for it.
# posted by Anonymous Anonymous : 5:20 AM

JEWS are FILTH, I'm not a MUSLIM but my HUMAN DUTY to FLUSH EVERY JEW and AMERIKKKAN that comes MY WAY

JEW ARE DEVILS they CAN NOT BE TRUSTED,JEWS MUST BE BURNED ALIVE as they ARE THE KILLERS OF GOD.
# posted by Anonymous Anonymous : 7:37 AM

Anonymous @ 7:37 AM is an obvious troll who just throws in a few odious profanities to poison the well of thoughtful and rational debate. totally typical.

if you're not a troll then you are doing the real criminals a great service.
# posted by Anonymous Anonymous : 9:51 AM

Actually real Jews support Muslims all the way, see www.nkusa.org.

The zionist trolls say the most hateful things. False flag all the way.
# posted by Anonymous Anonymous : 10:36 AM

The jew is the eternal evil, inbred rodent, bloodsucking, parasiting, warmongering, cowardly, mass murdering, virus of humanity and cancer of earth that must one day be dealt with once and for all.

If the Indians ever figure out who perpetrated this war crime (shouldn`t take more than 3 seconds if you can actually think) in Mumbai they need only point their nuclear warheads at that * little "country" and international terrorist rathole known as that sewer "israel".

The only good jew terrorist rodent scum and the only good american terrorist rodent scum (same disease) is a dead jew/american terrorist rodent scum.
# posted by Anonymous Anonymous : 1:37 PM

there are good jews hindus christians and muslims, no group of people should be lambasted as by some here on this comment line, those who comment like this are the ones who are terrorists .. i am indian origin and us citizen there are always good people in all races and only a few bad greedy people. Please retract your hateful comments. GOD bless all, and GOD bring peace to our hearts. Story of Lord Krishna is same as Prohpet Mosess being put in river.. etc. etc. we are all children of ONE God. Be wary of divide and rule and always see who gains from this... those who gain are likely doers.
# posted by Anonymous Anonymous : 2:15 PM


Peace to all beings.

There are good and bad in all races.

As regards the perpetrators of terrorist actions sometimes they are caused by little people with some religious or poloitical fanatical objective. Often they are caused by Big people (States) with cynical geo-poolitical objectives, sometimes using small teams of dupes who have their own sub-agendas [maybe in this case kill Harkare to send a message never to investigate Hindu false-flag terrorist extremism] which nest in the bigger picture agendas of the Powerful [maybe in this case 'War on/OF Terror' CIA/Mossad destabilisation of Pakistan/Muslim world now that new Pakistan government doesn't take orders so smoothly from CIA; also weakening and eventual dismemberment of the allies of Russia/China.]

The finding of credit cards is a big weird thing; the bothering to kill people in a hospital is clearly designed to cause max outrage; the real or merely alleged targetting of US and UK citizens could also be pointer. The finding of the speedboats (why 3 for ten men???) could be massive redherring???

Maybe it IS 'Islamic'-fanatic terrorism, with or probably without Pakistani state collusion??

Maybe it is CIA-Mossad-RSS/Sangh Parwar co-operation??

If we can't keep a genuinely open mind and look at everyt next fact or theory without wanting X to be true or fearing that Y might be true, etc, then we should quit impaertial political investigation and stay home to dream up novels.

To be sure hatred and prejudice against any ethnic group can only destabilise our minds and throw us off the scent.

Peace to all beings.
Keith Mothersson, All Faiths for 9/11 Truth
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:24 am    Post subject: Mumbai Report - "Armed Police At Scene Did Nothing" Reply with quote

The attached article is from the Belfast Telegraph; the headline reads -

"Mumbai photographer: I wish I'd had a gun, not a camera. Armed police would not fire back"

and includes the following quote from photographer Sebastian D'Souza, a picture editor at the Mumbai Mirror -

"There were armed policemen hiding all around the station but none of them did anything," he said. "At one point, I ran up to them and told them to use their weapons. I said, 'Shoot them, they're sitting ducks!' but they just didn't shoot back."




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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Mumbai Report - "Armed Police At Scene Did nothing& Reply with quote

Wakeymedia wrote:
The attached article is from the Belfast Telegraph; the headline reads -

"Mumbai photographer: I wish I'd had a gun, not a camera. Armed police would not fire back"

and includes the following quote from photographer Sebastian D'Souza, a picture editor at the Mumbai Mirror -

"There were armed policemen hiding all around the station but none of them did anything," he said. "At one point, I ran up to them and told them to use their weapons. I said, 'Shoot them, they're sitting ducks!' but they just didn't shoot back."


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article14086308.ece




To state the obvious: if the gunmen knew in advance there would be no resistance from the police it would explain why they seemed so calm and confident...
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Indian minister offers resignation over Mumbai attacks --At least 183 killed during attacks, according to federal officials 30 Nov 2008 Indian Home Minister Shivraj Patil has submitted his resignation to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, saying he would take "moral responsibility" for the Mumbai attacks, a Home Ministry spokesman said Sunday.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/11/30/india.attacks/
Pakistan offers full co-op in probe of Mumbai terror attacks 29 Nov 2008 Pakistan will stand by India in the difficult times after the Mumbai terrorist attacks and would like to offer India full cooperation in the probe of the incident, the foreign office said in a statement on Saturday.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-11/29/content_10431748.htm
'Armed police would not fire back. – I wish I'd had a gun, not a camera.' --Terrifyingly professional gunmen 'wore Western style clothes' --Jerome Taylor talks to the photographer 29 Nov 2008 Sebastian D'Souza, a picture editor at the Mumbai Mirror, whose offices are just opposite the city's Chhatrapati Shivaji station, heard the gunfire erupt and ran towards the terminus. "I ran into the first carriage of one of the trains on the platform to try and get a shot but couldn't get a good angle, so I moved to the second carriage and waited for the gunmen to walk by," he said. "They were shooting from waist height and fired at anything that moved. I briefly had time to take a couple of frames using a telephoto lens. I think they saw me taking photographs but they didn't seem to care." The gunmen were terrifyingly professional, making sure at least one of them was able to fire their rifle while the other reloaded. By the time he managed to capture the killer on camera, Mr D'Souza had already seen two gunmen calmly stroll across the station concourse shooting both civilians and policemen, many of whom, he said, were armed but did not fire back. "I first saw the gunmen outside the station," Mr D'Souza said. "With their rucksacks and Western clothes they looked like backpackers, not terrorists, but they were very heavily armed and clearly knew how to use their rifles.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/armed-police-would-not-fi re-back-ndash-i-wish-id-had-a-gun-not-a-camera-1040238.html
Taj Mahal hotel owner: We had warning --Tata surprised at level of planning, familiarity with hotel shown by attackers 29 Nov 2008 The Taj Mahal hotel in Mumbai, India, temporarily increased security after being warned of a possible terrorist attack, the chairman of the company that owns the hotel said Saturday. But Tata Group Chairman Ratan Tata said those measures, which were eased shortly before this week's terror attacks, could not have prevented gunmen from entering the hotel... "It's ironic that we did have such a warning, and we did have some measures," Tata said in an interview with CNN, without elaborating on the warning or when security measures were enacted.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/11/29/india.hotel/
Pointed intelligence warnings preceded attacks --Weaknesses in police infrastructure facilitated the attack, government sources say 30 Nov 2008 India's intelligence services had delivered at least three precise warnings that a major terrorist attack on Mumbai was imminent, highly-placed government sources have told The Hindu. On November 18, the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) intercepted a satellite phone conversation, in which a so-far unidentified caller notified his handlers that he was heading for Mumbai along with a certain cargo.
http://www.hindu.com/2008/11/30/stories/2008113055981500.htm
Britons are among those detained, official claims 29 Nov 2008 Britons were among the militants arrested for the Bombay attacks, a senior Indian official said yesterday. Vilasrao Deshmukh, the chief minister of Maharashtra state, in which Bombay lies, made the claim on an Indian television station. Patrick Mercer, MP, a former Conservative security spokesman, told The Times that he had been given information that at least two of the terrorists had credit cards and other identifying documents that linked them to Dewsbury, West Yorkshire. Other reports last night claimed that men from Leeds and Bradford were among the terrorists.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5254350.ece
NYPD Guards Against Mumbai-Like Terror Attacks 29 Nov 2008 (NY) A Brooklyn rabbi and his wife were found among the dead in a series of terrorist attacks in India that have claimed more than 150 lives. In response to the attacks, the NYPD beefed up patrols around large hotels and Jewish centers, including the Lubavitch headquarters, said NYPD spokesman Paul Browne. The department already was on alert because of a warning earlier this week of a possible al-Qaida plot to strike the city's rail systems over the holidays.
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/rabbi.holtzberg.mumbai.2.875674.html
Pakistan pledges action on any group involved in Mumbai attacks 29 Nov 2008 Pakistan's foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi told a press conference on Saturday that Pakistan will take action against any group within its borders if it was involved in the Mumbai attacks. "Any entity or group involved in the ghastly act, the Pakistani government will proceed against it," he told reporters in a televised press conference.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hDrJmE_Kh3-VzzxL4Du 5mQ4gy5lQ
Pakistan rejects UK proposal on terror war 28 Nov 2008 Pakistan rejects a British proposal for joint military operations against 'al-Qaeda' and Taliban militants on its soil near Afghan border. British Foreign Secretary David Miliband suggested that Pakistani army must launch a joint drive with the US and British forces to flush out the militants from its troubled tribal region bordering Afghanistan, Press TV correspondent reported Friday. However, Pakistan's military leadership and civilian leaders turned down the demand and instead urged the US-led coalition forces in Afghanistan to respect Islamabad's sovereignty.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=76788&sectionid=351020401
Iran 'perfectly capable' of closing Hormuz 29 Nov 2008 Iran says it is "perfectly capable" of blocking the Strait of Hormuz, after NATO dismissed the possibility of closing the waterway. After NATO naval forces commander Vice Admiral Maurizio Gemignani dismissed the Iranian warning about blocking the Strait of Hormuz, chief Iranian navy commander Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari said Iran has strategic planning and has done necessary groundwork to ensure the success of such a measure.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=76929&sectionid=351020101
Rocket attack in Baghdad's Green Zone kills 2 --An earlier rocket hit the U.S. military compound Camp Victory. 29 Nov 2008 A rocket today slammed into a compound near the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad's fortified Green Zone, killing two people in an attack that seemed to reflect the anger of Shiite Muslim militias over a new U.S.-Iraqi security pact. Another rocket hit Camp Victory, the main U.S. military compound in Baghdad, late Friday, the military announced.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/complete/la-fg-iraq30-200 8nov30,0,7591992.story
UN contractors killed in Iraq 29 Nov 2008 Two foreign contractors working for the UN have been killed and 15 wounded in a rocket attack on Baghdad's high-security Green Zone, the UN says. The Green Zone houses government offices and many foreign embassies. It is not known who carried out the attack, which comes just days after the Iraqi parliament approved a new security pact with the United States.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7756274.stm
Suicide bombing at Iraqi mosque 28 Nov 2008 A suicide bomber has killed nine people and wounded 15 in an attack on a Shia mosque during Friday prayers, Iraqi police say. Reports say the bombing took place in the town of Musayib, 80km (50 miles) south of the capital, Baghdad. The attack comes a day after the Iraqi parliament backed a deal regulating the future presence of US troops.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7754154.stm
Iraq Ally Lists Were Altered, Study Shows 25 Nov 2008 Before [illegally] invading Iraq in 2003, the Bush regime mounted a significant diplomatic offensive to rally international support, and officials at the White House, Pentagon and State Department went to great lengths to trumpet those nations that joined what they termed "the coalition of the willing" ['the coalition of the bribed']. But historians researching those early alliance-building efforts say they are troubled by what seem to be are deletions of and alterations to the early official lists of nations that supported the war effort. The lists were posted on the White House Web site. While administration officials acknowledged that the number of nations supporting the war changed over time, academic researchers say three official lists appear to have been changed, yet retained their original release date, making them appear to be unaltered originals.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/25/washington/25documents.html
Secrets of Iraq's death chamber --Prisoners are being summarily executed in the government's high-security detention centre in Baghdad. By Robert Fisk 07 Oct 2008 Like all wars, the dark, untold stories of the Iraqi conflict drain from its shattered landscape like the filthy waters of the Tigris... The Independent has learnt that secret executions are being carried out in the prisons run by Nouri al-Maliki's "democratic" government. The hangings are carried out regularly – from a wooden gallows in a small, cramped cell – in Saddam Hussein's old intelligence headquarters at Kazimiyah. There is no public record of these killings in what is now called Baghdad's "high-security detention facility" but most of the victims – there have been hundreds since America introduced "democracy" to Iraq – are said to be insurgents, given the same summary justice they mete out to their own captives.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/secrets-of-iraqs-d eath-chamber-953517.html
Nonfiction review: 'Big Boy Rules' 28 Nov 2008 Big Boy Rules -- America's Mercenaries Fighting in Iraq By Steve Fainaru --"By 2008, there were an estimated 190,000 contractors of all stripes in Iraq; they outnumbered American troops by 30,000." "The total cost of these private contracts since the start of the war was $85 billion, or one-fifth of the U.S. government's overall spending on the war." "From 2004 to 2007, the U.S. military paid $548 million to just two British companies ... to protect the (U.S. Army) Corps (of Engineers) on reconstruction projects. That was over $200 million more than was originally budgeted." "If the Iraq war had an official sponsor, like the Olympics, it would have been Blackwater. By the end of 2007, the company had made a billion dollars off the war."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/27/DDU1146MLE .DTL
Official: Taliban kill 13 Afghan troops in ambush 28 Nov 2008 Taliban 'insurgents' killed 13 Afghan troops in an ambush of their convoy in northwestern Afghanistan, while NATO-led troops fired on insurgents inside Pakistan, officials said Friday. More than 300 militants attacked the Afghan forces' convoy, which was transporting 47 vehicles for their units in Bala Murghab district of Badghis province late Thursday, said Naeem Khan, a border police official.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hvWEqwq3CrRvaQCmt21M foYhjZJQD94O09J80
Bases brace for surge in stress-related disorders --Military bases brace for surge in stress-related disorders among returning war veterans 29 Nov 2008 Some 15,000 soldiers are heading home to this sprawling base after spending more than a year at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, and military health officials are bracing for a surge in brain injuries and psychological problems among those troops.
http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=470661
Egyptian-Born Scientist Leaves U.S. After Losing Suit 29 Nov 2008 (Pittsburgh) An Egyptian-born nuclear physicist who said his rights were violated when the Department of Energy revoked his security clearance has returned to his native Egypt. The scientist, Abdel Moniem Ali el-Ganayni, had filed a lawsuit in June saying he was being punished for criticizing the Iraq war and President [sic] Bush's treatment of Muslims after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The lawsuit was dismissed Tuesday by Judge Terrence F. McVerry of Federal District Court here.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/29/us/29scientist.html
Police state Britain: MPs want protection after arrest of Tory for telling truths Labour didn't want you to know 29 Nov 2008 MPs demanded protection from a 'police state' last night after the heavy-handed arrest of a Tory frontbencher shocked Westminster. Extraordinary details of four simultaneous raids on immigration spokesman Damian Green's homes and offices raised urgent questions about the independence of Parliament. The Oxford-educated father of two girls, who denies any wrongdoing, was fingerprinted and required to give a DNA sample before being released on bail after nine hours.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1090386/Police-state-Britain-M Ps-want-protection-arrest-Tory-telling-truths-Labour-didnt-want-know.h tml
Obama to Name Defense Secretary on Monday 28 Nov 2008 President-elect Barack Obama is expected to announce his pick for secretary of defense on Monday, a senior Pentagon official told FOX News. FOX News and other news agencies have reported that current Defense Secretary Robert Gates plans to accept an offer to remain in the post for at least one year. The senior Pentagon official did not confirm those reports.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/11/28/obama-defense-secretary-mon day/
Oops! Looks like the FDA won't be part of 'change.' Former Bush interviewee possible Obama candidate to run FDA 28 Nov 2008 Dr. Robert Califf may have a second shot at running the Food and Drug Administration. The respected Duke University cardiologist and head of the Duke Clinical Research Institute is among people mentioned as possible candidates for FDA commissioner in the administration of President-elect Barack Obama. Nobody from the Obama transition team has contacted him to confirm he's a candidate, Califf said this week. Califf, 57, who has spent more than 30 years at Duke, was considered for the job by the Bush administration eight years ago. He was invited to the White House for interviews in March 2001 but didn't make the final cut.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/257/story/56676.html
FDA sets 'safe' levels for melamine in baby formula --Melamine, cyanuric acid 'not of concern' in levels below 1,000 parts per billion 28 Nov 2008 After first saying that they could not determine a threshold for the safe amount of certain toxic chemicals in infant formula, Food and Drug Administration officials said Friday that trace amounts are safe. On Friday, an FDA official said it was still not possible to determine a safe level for infant formula containing both melamine and cyanuric acid compounds, but officials "believe that at very low levels there should not be any health concerns." [Oh, then Bush: Drink up!]
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/28/infant.formula.melamine/
Pharmaceutical companies "delaying cheaper drugs" 28 Nov 2008 The European Commission has accused leading pharmaceutical companies of delaying and impeding the entry of generic drugs to the market, denying the public access to cheaper medicines. Neelie Kroes [European Commissioner for Competition] - whose inquiry began in January with raids at some of Europe's largest drugs companies, including GlaxoSmithKline in the UK – warned that the EC may now launch anti-trust proceedings against individual companies.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/pharmaceuticalsandchem icals/3534740/Pharmaceutical-companies-delaying-cheaper-drugs.html
SEC Investigates Two of Its Own After Suspicious Volume of Trades 29 Nov 2008 The Securities and Exchange Commission, the top U.S. cop for insider trading, is examining whether two of its employees broke agency rules or tapped nonpublic information while making a high volume of trades. SEC Inspector General David Kotz said his office has reviewed more than two years of brokerage records to see if the investments were approved, properly reported and held for required amounts of time.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/28/AR2008 112802506.html
A tale of two bailouts By Bill Van Auken 25 Nov 2008 ...[W]hile Obama and the Democratic leadership in Congress demanded that the auto companies submit "a plan for future viability" before they receive a dime, no such plan was forthcoming from Citigroup. All that has been released to the public is a half-page joint memo from the Treasury Department, Federal Reserve and FDIC which announces the government bailout while committing Citigroup to nothing. How is this blatant double standard and hypocrisy to be explained? Some have suggested that the Big Three deserve to fail because of gross mismanagement. But what can one say of the management at Citibank, which managed to lose more than 90 percent of the company's value--from $244 billion to $20.5 billion--in the space of two years?
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/nov2008/pers-n25.shtml
Citigroup says gold could rise above $2,000 next year as world unravels 27 Nov 2008 Gold is poised for a dramatic surge and could blast through $2,000 an ounce by the end of next year as central banks flood the world's monetary system with liquidity, according to an internal client note from the US bank Citigroup.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/3526 645/Citigroup-says-gold-could-rise-above-2000-next-year-as-world-unrav els.html
Early data shows strong Black Friday shopping 29 Nov 2008 The nation's retailers got a much-needed sales boost during Black Friday's traditional shopathon as consumers, lured by deep discounts, spent nearly 3 percent more than they did last year.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081129/holiday_shopping.html
Guerra Reveals Evidence 26 Nov 2008 District Attorney Juan Guerra says his investigation took him all the way to the top, to the Vice President [sic] of the United States. He showed NEWSCHANNEL 5 records that he says could be used to prove Dick Cheney is guilty of criminal activity. The charges against the Vice President stem from the Willacy State Jail in Raymondville and from the inmate, Gregorio De La Rosa, Jr., who was killed there by a fellow inmate in 2001. Guerra says that the elected officials let the jail get away with murder so that they can keep making money. "Greed will get you discovered and arrested every time, and that's what happened to Cheney," Guerra said.
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/11/26/1001767/Guerra-Reveals-Evidence
Bush's Last Days: The Lamest Duck By Joe Klein 26 Nov 2008 In the end, though, it will not be the creative paralysis that defines Bush. It will be his intellectual laziness, at home and abroad. Bush never understood, or cared about, the delicate balance between freedom and regulation that was necessary to make markets work. He never understood, or cared about, the delicate balance between freedom and equity that was necessary to maintain the strong middle class required for both prosperity and democracy. He never considered the complexities of the cultures he was invading. He never understood that faith, unaccompanied by rigorous skepticism, is a recipe for myopia and foolishness.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1862307,00.html
New rifts form on Antarctic ice shelf 29 Nov 2008 Scientists have identified new rifts on an Antarctic ice shelf that could lead to it breaking away from the Antarctic Peninsula, the European Space Agency said. The Wilkins Ice Shelf, a large sheet of floating ice south of South America, is connected to two Antarctic islands by a strip of ice. That ice "bridge" has lost about 2,000 square kilometers (about 772 square miles) this year, the ESA said.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/11/29/antarctic.ice.shelf.collap se/index.html
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Previous lead stories: Terrorists could strike Britain by infecting country with bird flu 27 Nov 2008 Terrorists could strike Britain by infecting the country with bird flu or Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), a leading group of security experts has warned. A commission led by Lord Ashdown, the former Liberal Democrat leader, identified 27 countries where terror organisations could become a threat to the UK. The report by the Institute of Public Policy Research warns that one of the biggest emerging threats comes from terrorists turning to biological warfare. [Lets nip the 'al-Qaeda-bird flu-link' lie in the bud. It's not 'al-Qaeda' that's trying to get the bird flu pandemic party started. See: Killer flu recreated in the lab 07 Oct 2004 UK Scientists have shown that tiny changes to modern flu viruses could render them as deadly as the 1918 strain which killed millions. A US team added two genes from a sample of the 1918 virus to a modern strain known to have no effect on mice. Animals exposed to this composite were dying within days of symptoms similar to those found in human victims of the 1918 pandemic. See: Indonesian Minister: Rich nations creating "new viruses" to create markets for drug companies to sell vaccines --Supari says US using bird flu virus to develop biological weapons 06 Sep 2008. See: HHS Declares 'Health Emergencies' to Limit Legal Liability for Anti-terrorism Vaccines, Drugs 19 Oct 2008 The U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary, Michael Leavitt, has declared a series of 'public health emergencies' -- due to risk of a bioterrorism attack -- that continue through 2015.]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/352757 5/Terrorists-could-strike-Britain-by-infecting-country-with-bird-flu.h tml
Al-Zawahri is back from the dead again, giving interviews: Zawahiri blames global financial crisis on 9/11 in latest al-Qaeda video 28 Nov 2008 Al-Qaeda's second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, has said in a new internet video that the international financial crisis is the result of a US war on Muslims and the Sept 11 attacks. Zawahiri also claimed the recent security gains made by US forces in Iraq were only temporary and Afghan President Hamid Karzai's offers to negotiate with Taliban elements were a sign of his regime's weakness. [See: Al-Qaeda No. 2 May be Injured, Possibly Re-killed By Lori Price 02 Aug 2008 Updated]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/35330 79/Zawahiri-blames-global-financial-crisis-on-911-in-latest-al-Qaeda-v ideo.html

Iraq says Kurdish contracts not legal 28 Nov 2008 Oil contracts signed by the Kurdish regional government (KRG) with foreign oil companies are not recognised by central government in Baghdad, Iraqi Oil Minister Hussain Shahristani said on Friday. The comments come despite an initial agreement on Thursday between the central Iraqi oil ministry and the largely autonomous Kurdish authorities to allow exports from Kurdistan to Turkey.
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssEnergyNews/idUSLS33080920081128
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MUST SEE VIDEOS: Terrorist Attack in Mumbai India, What is really going on? Target Pakistan, China, Russia

The Mumbai Massacre
Updated 11-29-08 1:30 PM CST

When I first heard of the terror attacks in Mumbai, my first thought was, "Where the heck is Mumbai?" When it became apparent it was a carefully coordinated mujahadeen attack, my next thought was, "Why the heck Mumbai?"

I answered both questions when I looked up Mumbai. "Mumbai" used to be "Bombay" before being renamed back in 1996. Bombay was the colonial name imposed by the Portuguese in the 16th century. Mumbai was the traditional name of the port city.

In any case, I can see now why Bombay was selected.

Mumbai [Bombay] is the capital of Maharashtra and the financial capital of India in the sense that New York City is the financial capital of the US.

With a population approaching fourteen million, it is one of the world's most populous cities.

Mumbai is one of the world's top ten financial centers in terms of global financial 'flow' and serves as corporate headquarters for scores of multinational corporations.

(If you've ever called Dell tech support or Microsoft, odds are that the frustratingly unintelligible person at the other end is sitting in a cubicle somewhere in [Bombay] Mumbai)

The siege was finally declared over by the Indian government on Saturday (local time) as the last of the terrorists were gunned down. Although the terrorists paid special attention to Westerners, particularly Britons and Americans, most the the dead were Indian nationals gunned down in their own city.

About eighteen foreign nationals, including five Americans, were killed and another 22 were wounded. The toll of dead and injured, (at the time of this report - the toll is likely to rise) stands at 162 dead and 283 wounded.

Target is Pakistan, according to U.S. policies it must be dealt with, because it is a nuclear power and strategic partner of China. China and Russia are real targets, because that's where the real power lies in. India, Pakistan, et al, are tools with which those targets will be acquired. Behind terrorist attacks in Mumbai is the United States. Don't be surprised, on September 11 2001 U.S. killed its own people to achieve several goals.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How very, very convenient!
By far the most interesting of that lot to me.
I wouldn't be suprised if a friend of Miliband's actually planned the Mumbai attack.



And of course this... Jaqui Smith zomboid moron, destroyer of all things good is at the helm again!

'No evidence' of UK Mumbai link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7756464.stm

Mumbai attacks: Jacqui Smith to review Britain's defences
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3536495/Mumbai-attacks-Jacqui-S mith-to-review-Britains-defences.html

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Pakistan rejects UK proposal on terror war 28 Nov 2008 Pakistan rejects a British proposal for joint military operations against 'al-Qaeda' and Taliban militants on its soil near Afghan border. British Foreign Secretary David Miliband suggested that Pakistani army must launch a joint drive with the US and British forces to flush out the militants from its troubled tribal region bordering Afghanistan, Press TV correspondent reported Friday. However, Pakistan's military leadership and civilian leaders turned down the demand and instead urged the US-led coalition forces in Afghanistan to respect Islamabad's sovereignty.
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