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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:03 pm    Post subject: FALSE FLAG ALERT 'Real IRA & Continuity IRA' murder 3 Reply with quote

Breaking news this.
Potential Operation Gladio style attack
People have been reported by BBC News as shooting each other at a British Army barracks in Massereene, Northern Ireland. Some injuries at least, not known yet if anyone's been killed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7930837.stm

Massereene Barracks in Antrim is home of the 38th Engineer Regiment.
http://www.army.mod.uk/royalengineers/units/843.aspx

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two die in 'barbaric' Army attack

Page last updated at 08:09 GMT, Sunday, 8 March 2009
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7930837.stm

Two soldiers have been shot dead during a gun attack at an army base in County Antrim, the Ministry of Defence says. A spokesman said "four other personnel" were injured, one of them critically, in the attack at Massereene army base in Antrim, 16 miles north of Belfast.

No one has said their gunmen carried out the attack, but it is thought to be the work of dissident republicans.

The attack comes shortly after Sir Hugh Orde, the chief constable of the Police Service of Northern Ireland, requested the Special Reconnaissance Regiment's help to gather intelligence on dissident republicans. He had said the threat against his officers and military personnel was at its highest for almost a decade. Mr Robinson said the Massereene attack vindicated his decision, which had been criticised by Sinn Fein.

Ian Paisley Jnr, a DUP member of the Northern Ireland Assembly and the Policing Board, said the shooting could prove to be a defining moment in Northern Ireland's history. He said: "For the last 10 years, people believed things like this happened in foreign countries, places like Basra. Unfortunately it has returned to our doorstep."

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mr Robinson said the Massereene attack vindicated his decision, which had been criticised by Sinn Fein.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a bad development. New war on terror, Murphy is a bad guy, increased fear, MI6 will be busy right now.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MI6 were quite possibly very busy last night.
Now who might want to destabilise the peace process then?


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MI6 will be busy right now.


This attack has all the hallmarks of a NATO intelligence/Gladio style Operation.
Even down to the timing.
Just about impossible for any of the Sunday papers to cover.

Murders were attack on peace process, says Sinn Féin
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0308/breaking19.htm

Closely related story - publihed earlier on Saturday
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Row erupts as special forces return to Northern Ireland

By Lisa Smyth
Saturday, 7 March 2009

A political row has erupted after it emerged that Sir Hugh Orde has enlisted the special forces to help the PSNI in the fight against terrorism.

Sinn Fein and the SDLP have clashed with Sir Hugh over his decision to deploy specialist Signal Intelligence (SIGINT) officers to mount round-the-clock surveillance on suspected dissident republicans believed to be planning attacks in Northern Ireland.

Both parties held separate meetings with Sir Hugh yesterday to discuss their concerns over the move, which Sir Hugh was forced to admit less than a day after a meeting of the Policing Board was told of a high threat level from dissident republican terrorists.

Meanwhile, a leading victims’ group said it is considering legal action against the Chief Constable’s controversial decision.

Relatives for Justice director Mark Thompson said: “The policy decision to deploy special forces is a matter of policing policy and therefore, under Section 6 of the NI Police Act, a policy decision is for the Policing Board and not a matter for the Chief Constable to arbitrarily act without the expressed and independent authority of the Policing Board, which he did. Effectively his decision undermines the Policing Board.”
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, now aren't the Special Reconnaissance Regiment the 'evolved' version of the 14th Int, who had a reputation for false flags and other black ops during the Troubles? And isn't the SRR currently headquartered, and presumably jointly operating with the SAS? Isn't the SRR implicated in the 05 Basra car-packed-with-explosives-driven-by-soldiers-dressed-as-Arabs story, as well as being involved in the de Menezes killing?
The Real IRA have claimed the shootings. That's the same Real IRA that was shown to have been infiltrated by MI5 at the time of the Omagh bombing, and for which no-one has been successfully prosecuted.

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Yes, now aren't the Special Reconnaissance Regiment the 'evolved' version of the 14th Int, who had a reputation for false flags and other black ops during the Troubles? And isn't the SRR currently headquartered, and presumably jointly operating with the SAS? Isn't the SRR implicated in the 05 Basra car-packed-with-explosives-driven-by-soldiers-dressed-as-Arabs story, as well as being involved in the de Menezes killing?
The Real IRA have claimed the shootings. That's the same Real IRA that was shown to have been infiltrated by MI5 at the time of the Omagh bombing, and for which no-one has been successfully prosecuted.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course Frank. I hope to pull up something in the fullness of time
In the meantime, why dont you do something to refute my spurious allegations?

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I never said spurious however I have read Bravo 2 Zero and believe the SAS carry out orders supplied by their superiors.

There was something about 2 SAS operatives being caught in Iraq wearing arab clothing that looked a bit dodgy
And the Gibralter killings was also suspect
Other than that I don't know why they might shoot our own guys.
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paul wright wrote:
Yes, now aren't the Special Reconnaissance Regiment the 'evolved' version of the 14th Int, who had a reputation for false flags and other black ops during the Troubles? And isn't the SRR currently headquartered, and presumably jointly operating with the SAS? Isn't the SRR implicated in the 05 Basra car-packed-with-explosives-driven-by-soldiers-dressed-as-Arabs story, as well as being involved in the de Menezes killing?
The Real IRA have claimed the shootings. That's the same Real IRA that was shown to have been infiltrated by MI5 at the time of the Omagh bombing, and for which no-one has been successfully prosecuted.


Paul, I am very interested in what you are saying here, do you have any references for the flase flag activities with respect to the troubles and MI5 infiltration of the Real IRA,
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This attack has all the hallmarks of a NATO intelligence/Gladio style Operation.
Even down to the timing.
Just about impossible for any of the Sunday papers to cover.

Just out of interest, Tony, could you outline a hypothetical scenario for a paramilitary attack that you would "accept" as such, i.e. not automatically suggest it to be a "false flag" op? Perhaps you'd also like to explain the "indicators" for the latter in this particular attack, and explain why you think they would never occur in a "genuine" paramilitary attack? It would be better if you could give some specific examples of paramilitary attacks that you accept to be genuinely the work of those they are commonly attributed to.

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Exposing Gordon Kerr and Tony Blair’s secret army


The secret Force Research Unit, the British Army’s counter-intelligence squad, pictured in 1988. The circled man is Gordon Kerr - now in Iraq


British soldiers from the SRR unit arrested in Iraq in 2005


Simon Basketter exposes how special British units in Iraq are run by the same man who commanded death squads in Northern Ireland

Two of Britain’s most secret military units operating in Iraq are run by a man who ran death squads in Northern Ireland.

British covert military unit the Joint Support Group (JSG) works alongside US covert forces in the aptly named “Task Force Black”.

Earlier this year the JSG was lauded in the Sunday Telegraph for its role in running dozens of double agents in Iraq, many of who had infiltrated the various insurgent groups and militias.

The Telegraph claimed the regiment is “one of the coalition’s most effective and deadly weapons in the fight against terror”.

The other unit is the Special Reconnaissance Regiment (SRR). At its creation in 2005, suitably anonymous “military sources” told the media, “We want to place electronic ‘bugs’ close to terrorist leaders such as Osama bin Laden and have agents within the ranks of global terrorist groups.

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“We got very good at doing this in Northern Ireland in the 1980s and 1990s, and now we want to transfer this capability to the global war on terrorism.”

In July 2005, the SRR was involved in the surveillance operation which led to the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes at Stockwell tube station in London.

SRR officers were apparently engaged in “low-level intelligence behind the scenes” when Jean Charles was shot. According to the “military sources”, this was the first time the new regiment had been engaged in an operation.

In December that year two British soldiers in the SRR were arrested by police in Iraq.

Who were the two men and what were they doing when they were seized outside al-Jamiat police station in Basra?

What prompted British soldiers to smash down the wall of the station and demolish several buildings inside the compound in the operation to snatch them back?

At the request of the MoD, the British media obscured the faces of the two captured men (pictured above).

They had been sitting in a car outside the police station in Arabic dress. They were heavily armed and had an impressive array of surveillance equipment with them.

It was claimed at the time that the two undercover men had opened fire when they were stopped at a police roadblock, killing at least one police officer. They were part of the Britain’s undercover war in Iraq.

Both the JSG and the SRR are run by Brigadier Gordon Kerr.

Kerr’s career has taken him to troublespots all over the world. An officer in the Gordon Highlanders, he served briefly in Cyprus before his first posting in Northern Ireland in 1972.

Tony Blair appointed Kerr to head up military intelligence in Iraq in 2003 – just two weeks after an inquiry into collusion with paramilitaries in Northern Ireland sent a file about Kerr to the director of public prosecutions.

Kerr is the most senior serving intelligence officer in the army and has been rewarded with both an OBE and the queen’s gallantry medal.

In Iraq Kerr applies the “methods developed on the mean streets of Ulster during the Troubles”, as the Sunday Telegraph excitedly relates.

The government has repeatedly claimed that Northern Ireland provides the blueprint for the British army’s operations in Iraq.

Paramilitaries

From the late 1970s, various British governments backed a secret unit of the army, the Force Research Unit (FRU), which, along with the special branch of the Royal Ulster Constabulary, supplied names, addresses and photographs of Catholic targets to Loyalist paramilitaries.

The FRU was led by Gordon Kerr. When Kerr became the FRU’s commander in 1986, the 100-strong squad adopted a more aggressive approach to the running of informers.

The key person supplying information was British army agent Brian Nelson.

He infiltrated the Ulster Defence Association (UDA), the biggest Loyalist paramilitary group. His information was responsible for the murder of at least 30 Catholics.

These included many who had no connection to the IRA, including the Belfast solicitor Pat Finucane who was murdered in 1989 by the UDA’s death squad, the Ulster Freedom Fighters.

The FRU also obtained “restriction orders” from other British security and military units whereby the FRU would withdraw from an area to allow Kerr’s UDA agents to get in and out without hindrance.

Drawing on his sources in British intelligence, Nelson passed on the names and addresses of apparent IRA activists to the UDA, whose gunmen would promptly go out and “execute” the suspects.

Nelson’s activities were regularly discussed at London meetings of the Joint Intelligence Committee.

This was chaired by then Tory prime minister Margaret Thatcher.

In January 1992 Nelson agreed to plead guilty to five conspiracies to murder, and at least four sectarian murder charges against him were dropped.

In a bizarre court case lasting less than a day, Nelson’s real role was effectively covered up. After a moving tribute to his sterling work for the British army from an anonymous colonel, Nelson got ten years.

Speaking from behind a security screen the colonel stressed the lives Nelson had allegedly “saved”. Nelson was released after serving less than half his sentence, and spent the rest of his life under a false identity.

The anonymous colonel was Gordon Kerr.

Beyond Gordon Kerr, the Special Reconnaissance Regiment includes at least 100 other veterans of Britain’s dirty war in Northern Ireland.

How much does Tony Blair know about what they are up to?

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The Observer wrote:

Covert army unit played role in Menezes killing

Anti-terror troops deployed in Northern Ireland present at Tube shooting

* Henry McDonald, Ireland editor
* The Observer, Sunday 8 March 2009
* Article history

A controversial covert British Army unit that has been deployed in Northern Ireland to counter dissident republican terrorists was involved in the security operation that ended in the killing of Jean Charles de Menezes, sources have revealed.

Soldiers of the Special Reconnaissance Regiment were present in London in July 2005 on the day Scotland Yard firearms specialists shot dead the innocent Brazilian at Stockwell underground station, believing he was a terrorist.

Although officially the regiment was not "deployed" that day, its soldiers provided "technical support" for Scotland Yard's anti-terrorist operation, the Observer has learnt.

Reports last week of the regiment's deployment in Northern Ireland caused a political storm, with Sinn Féin deputy first minister Martin McGuinness saying it was "stupid and dangerous" and adding that it had "shaken his confidence" in Northern Ireland's police chief.

Sir Hugh Orde, chief constable of the Police Service of Northern Ireland, said he had been provided with a "tiny number of specialists" to counter the threat from dissident republicans, which he said was "severe".

Security sources said the regiment was formed over four years ago as a "roving" surveillance unit. "It has a global role and can be sent all over the world to work alongside existing military personnel on the ground. It is basically a new name for the amalgamation of the 14 Intelligence and Security Group - or 'the Det' [Detachment], as it was known - with bits and pieces of other special forces," the sources said.

"They work on close-quarter covert surveillance. The surveillance equipment they have is out of this world. It is the best kit in the world. They will be able to provide camera feeds from a suspect's home and be able to watch it miles away in a base."

The sources said the regiment, smaller than the SAS, was about 150 strong, the size of a full company.

Orde's warning of the dissident threat arises partly from their acquisition of new bomb-making techniques. The threat level was raised after a dissidents' bomb was defused in Castlewellan, Co Down, last month. Security sources this weekend told the Observer that the 300lb device was fitted with an extra "anti-handling" system that made it dangerous for Army technical officers to defuse.

The Special Reconnaissance Regiment has been called in because of the PSNI's lack of manpower and experience in anti-terrorist surveillance operations.

The revelation that a company of undercover soldiers is operational in Northern Ireland will cause huge embarrassment for Sinn Féin and provide a propaganda coup for the dissidents. The Real IRA's political allies, the 32-County Sovereignty Committee, said the deployment of the regiment came as no surprise, and showed that Britain had "failed to pacify Ireland".

The Observer has also learnt that Orde failed to inform the Northern Ireland Policing Board's chairman, Sir Des Rea, about his decision to bring in the undercover regiment.


The Observer Sunday 8th March 2009

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One day before the murders at Massereene barracks, County Antrim.

Chief Constable Sir Hugh Orde says the threat of an attack in Northern Ireland is increasing.

Radio 4: Today, Friday 8th March 2009

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The potential for a serious attack in Northern Ireland is higher now than at any time in the past seven years, the Chief Constable of the Police Service of Northern Ireland says. Sir Hugh Orde discusses why members of an army special forces unit are being deployed to help gather intelligence on dissident Republicans.


Sir Hugh Orde on Radio 4 Today wrote:
We are supported by a very small number of specialists from the Army and that of course includes our bomb disposal experts who have successfully diffused every single bomb that these criminals have tried to plant in the last 15 months


Sapper Mark Quinsey, 23, from Birmingham, and Sapper Patrick Azimkar, 21, from Wood Green, north London, both of 38 Engineer Regiment.

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Mi5 sockpuppet Orde's smokescreen exposed.

The duplicitous posturing by Hugh Orde and other Mi5 sockpuppets in recent days has been exposed as a smokescreen by two articles in Today's Irish News.

Dissidents targeted for two years

By Barry McCaffrey

07/03/09

BRITISH army ‘special forces’ units have already been actively targeting dissident republicans in Northern Ireland for more than two years.

Yesterday the PSNI chief constable announced that he had asked for the deployment of the British army’s shadowy Special Reconnaissance Regiment (SRR) to target dissident republicans.

Sir Hugh Orde said the special forces unit would have “no operational role” in the north.

“We are talking about a very small number of people who increase my technical capacity. They have no operational role,” he said.

“They support my policing operations, which are undertaken by my police officers.”

However, last October The Irish News revealed how a special unit was already operating against dissidents when nine members of a special forces unit carried out surveillance on three suspected dissident republicans arrested in connection with a mortar-bomb find near Lurgan, Co Armagh, in March 2007.

At that time Secretary of State Shaun Woodward issued public-interest immunity (PII) certificates banning the soldiers or their unit from being identified.

PII certificates also banned any mention of the elite unit’s tactics or technical capabilities.

In October last year the soldiers gave evidence via satellite from Afghanistan and Iraq, where they were stationed.

In court a Ministry of Defence spokesman confirmed that the soldiers were part of an elite special forces unit “capable of carrying out difficult and dangerous surveillance activities”.

“The number of special forces is only a small fraction of the total number of soldiers in the army and the number with the particular skills of the soldiers in this case is only a small fraction of the number of soldiers in special forces,” he said.

“Their skills are rare and highly valued.”

It was suggested that training for each soldier cost £200,000.

It was the first time in more than two decades that a member of a British army special forces unit had given evidence in person to a northern court.

It was also the first time that it was publicly acknowledged that British army special forces units were being used to target dissident republicans.

More details of the special forces activities in Northern Ireland are expected to be revealed when the hearings restart later this month.

The chief constable’s failure to inform the Policing Board of his decision to request the use of special forces was heavily criticised by the SDLP and Sinn Fein, which both held emergency talks with Sir Hugh yesterday.

Sinn Fein deputy first minister Martin McGuinness described the move as “stupid and dangerous”.

He said the decision to reintroduce special forces to the north had “shaken his confidence” in the chief constable.

Mr McGuinness said he had raised the matter with British prime minister Gordon Brown and Taoiseach Brian Cowen.

“The history of the north has shown that many of these forces have been as much a danger to the community as any other group,” he said.

SDLP assembly member Dolores Kelly said the decision to use the controversial unit in the north “raised the issue of who is in control”.

“At lunchtime on Thursday, the PSNI were telling the Policing Board the British army would not be deployed save for bomb squad support,” she said.

“But by teatime we learn that British army recon units are deployed.

“There is an immediate issue of who made this decision, when it was made and what the PSNI did not know or knew and did not tell the Policing Board.”


Special forces never left, says ex-spymaster

By Barry McCaffrey

http://www.irishnews.com/articles/540/5860/2009/3/7/612073_37463335633 0Specialfo.html

07/03/09

A FORMER British army spymaster said last night that anyone who believed that British army “special forces” were not active in Northern Ireland was “living in cloud-cuckoo-land”.

Martin Ingram was a staff sergeant with the British army’s Force Research Unit (Fru) in Northern Ireland for more than 12 years.

The British army whistle-blower is understood to have played a key role in exposing the murky world of the north’s intelligence agencies, including the state’s involvement in the murder of its own citizens.

In the late 1990s the Fru was revealed to have been involved in more than a dozen murders through its agent Brian Nelson and in passing on the personal details of hundreds of nationalists to the UDA.

At Nelson’s trial his Fru commanding officer, Brigadier Gordon Kerr, pictured right, claimed the agent had saved hundreds of lives.

That claim was later discredited by Britain’s leading police officer Sir John Stevens.

There was speculation last night that Mr Kerr was now in charge of the Special Reconnaissance Regiment (SRR).

Ingram is also credited as having helped to expose former IRA man Freddie Scappaticci as the British army agent Stakeknife.

Responding to Chief Constable Sir Hugh Orde’s announcement that he had asked for special forces to be deployed to the north, Ingram said: “Anyone who thinks that the special forces ever left Northern Ireland is living in cloud-cuckoo-land.

“They never went away.

“They have always had the capability to mount any operation they want here at a moment’s notice.”

The SRR was set up in 2005 in the latest in a long line of name changes to the north’s intelligence agencies.

It amalgamated with the 14th Intelligence Company, which previously operated in the north throughout the Troubles alongside the Fru.

While the Fru ran informers within republican and loyalist paramilitaries, the 14th Intelligence Company and now the SRR carry out surveillance operations, including the bugging of suspects’ cars and houses.

There are thought to be around 150 MI5 officers based at the British agency’s new state-of-the-art headquarters at Palace Barracks near Holywood, Co Down.

The Fru, now known as the Joint Support Group, is thought to have around 50 undercover soldiers in the north carrying out human intelligence operations handling informers.

It is estimated that up to 20 members of the SRR unit will be deployed to the north in the near future.

A British army spokesman last night refused to comment on claims that Mr Kerr was now the head of the SRR.
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Can't you use Google Frank?

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So:

Just out of interest, Nick, could you outline a hypothetical scenario for a false flag attack that you would "accept" as such, i.e. those events that you do not automatically believe to be terrorist or paramilitary operations, just because you read newspaper reports or heard and or saw, Radio & TV reports to the contrary.

Perhaps you'd also like to explain the "indicators" for the latter in this particular attack, and explain why you think those same indicators would never occur in a "genuine" false flag attack?

It would be better if you could give some specific examples of false flag attacks that you accept to be genuinely the work of those that they are never commonly attributed to.

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Just out of interest, Nick, could you outline a hypothetical scenario for a false flag attack that you would "accept" as such, i.e. those events that you do not automatically believe to be terrorist or paramilitary operations, just because you read newspaper reports or heard and or saw, Radio & TV reports to the contrary.

Perhaps you'd also like to explain the "indicators" for the latter in this particular attack, and explain why you think those same indicators would never occur in a "genuine" false flag attack?

It would be better if you could give some specific examples of false flag attacks that you accept to be genuinely the work of those that they are never commonly attributed to.

LOL! Nice try, but I'm not the one claiming that there are such things as immediately-obvious "hallmarks" for false flag ops, as Tony is. The reality is that it usually takes many years for proof to come to light that such an event was one, as opposed to someone just arbitrarily deciding that it was without it. That is unless, of course, it is carried so ineptly that it's blindingly obvious that it isn't the work of the purported perpetrators, although a lack of any claim of responsibility by the latter could be seen as a fairly obvious clue. In this particular case, the Real IRA hasn't been hesitent in claiming responsibility, so it's a bit of a non-starter.

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Hallmarks of False Flag Ops:

#1) Fortuity

Sydney Hilton Bombing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Hilton_bombing

The Sydney Hilton bombing occurred on 13 February 1978, when a bomb exploded outside the Hilton Hotel in Sydney, Australia.

Prior to the bombing the security forces had been under considerable pressure. In South Australia, the White enquiry into their police special branch was very critical, and ties with the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO) were cut. New South Wales was about to have a similar enquiry. After the bombing, the NSW enquiry was never held, and the Commonwealth increased support for the anti-terrorism activities of the intelligence services.

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Oh and by the way....
Important and useful discussions are happening here on the peaceful or otherwise future of a large chiunk of our country.
Trivia will be hidden and culprits banned.


Northern Ireland Secretary I've never heard of before Shaun Woodward MP on Newsnight tonight.

He defected to Labour from the Masonic/Tory party in 1999.
Looking extremely shifty.

The Real IRA are looking like an Intelligence Front, perfect excuse to bring in the SRR/SAS British Army Intelligence.

Could be Mossad, CIA, NATO or another European power.
Quite a selection there.

Will Brigadier Gordon Kerr be their Commandiong Officer this time I wonder.

Independent wrote:

Brown in Northern Ireland terror summit
Brown visits base where soldiers were killed before holding crisis security talks

....Taoiseach Brian Cowen insisted the killings would not disrupt the peace process.
However, the Northern Ireland First Minister Peter Robinson and Mr McGuinness have delayed a planned visit to the United States which was due to end next Tuesday with a St Patrick’s Day meeting with President Barack Obama at the White House.
Police are examining a Vauxhall Cavalier they believe may have been used by the gunmen.The vehicle was abandoned in the Ranaghan Lane area of nearby Randalstown late on Saturday.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brown-in-northern-ireland-t error-summit-1640407.html


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Broadcasts 06 July 1993 YORKSHIRE TELEVISION
FIRST TUESDAY (HIDDEN HAND: THE FORGOTTEN MASSACRE)
YTV Production Producer - GLYN MIDDLETON, MARK ACKERMAN
The worst terrorist outrage of the Anglo-Irish "toubles" occured on 17th May 1974. It was the ruthless, calculated act of mass murder inflicted on Dublin and Monaghan in the Irish Republic. Thirty-three men, women and children were murdered, and almost 300 injured, when four car bombs exploded in crowded, rush-hour streets.
Today the murders are virtually forgotten and remain an unsolved mystery. No one has been convicted, or even arrested, and no paramilitary group has ever admitted responsibility for the crime. Now, after many months of investigations, First Tuesday pieces together a dramatic and disturbing insight into the worst terrorist attrocity of our times. The programme reveals the hidden truths behind the bombings and explains why details of the massacre have been buried for 20 years.

After a lengthy debate the Dáil Éireann, the parliament of the Republic of Ireland, prepared itself to vote on a bill that would provide the government greater powers in dealing with paramilitary, in particular members of the Irish Republican Army (IRA) and its branches, at the expense of civil liberties. The bill lacked support of Fine Gael and there was a good chance that the bill was voted down.
At about the same time the Belfast Newsletter received a phone call from a caller with a distinctly English accent who warned that bombs were planted near Liberty Hall and Clery's, a department store on O'Connell Street, in Dublin. The warning was merely symbolic as only three minutes later, at 7.58pm, a car bomb exploded near Liberty Hall. A second bomb detonated on Sackville Place just off O'Connell Street 17 minutes after and two employees of Córas Iompair Éireann (CIÉ), or Irish National Public Transport Organisation, were killed in the blast.
The session in the Dáil was adjourned for one hour. During this recess sentiments turned around and, because the biggest opponent Fine Gael abstained from voting, the bill passed......
http://u2r2h.blogspot.com/2009/03/uk-false-flag-bombs-1970s-dublin.htm l


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At least two gunmen opened fire with automatic weapons on the group. They fired one burst, then walked forward and shot the victims as they lay on the ground.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5870376.ece

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Frank Freedom wrote:
It's easy to make assumptions/assertions Paul Wright
quite another thing to come up with referenced material to prove such
things!


Can't you use Google Frank?


It's a provocative statement to facilitate some details
Unfortunately I'm not a professional researcher Wink

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Police officer shot dead in Craigavon
A police officer has died following a shooting incident in Craigavon, County Armagh.
The incident is understood to have happened near Lismore High School at Brownlow.
Police came under attack while investigating suspicious activity near the school.
The attack follows the weekend murder of two soldiers outside an Army base in Antrim. The Real IRA said they were responsible.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7933990.stm

This dirty game getting clearer now

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Once a terrorist... always a terrorist
IF the Mafia were handed power in New York, would anyone expect them to go straight?
It’s the same with the IRA and Northern Ireland. The price of Tony Blair’s appeasement of the IRA was that terrorists were allowed to share power.
And now the terrorists have fallen out among themselves.
That’s why two British soldiers have been murdered.
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QuitTheirClogs wrote:
Hallmarks of False Flag Ops:

#1) Fortuity

Warfare - both regular and irregular - is littered with events that were perpetrated by one side, but turned out to be to the advantage of the other, or even neutral parties.

You'll have to do better than that.

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The Real IRA are looking like an Intelligence Front, perfect excuse to bring in the SRR/SAS British Army Intelligence.

With British military assets spread very thinly on the ground at the moment, what advantage would there be in "them" potentially precipitating a return to active deployment in NI?
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Could be Mossad, CIA, NATO or another European power.
Quite a selection there.

What would their respective motives be?

Still waiting for your "how to spot a false flag op" guide.....

Still waiting for you to name some paramilitary attacks that you actually accept were paramilitary attacks....

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Very good information here I think the best spot so far for quality. Sorry I cant contribute but I will if I find anything credible.
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Another 'splinter group' the Continuity IRA are now claiming responsibility
McGuiness, Adams and, the Unionists absolutely aware that these killings may not been carried out by republicans at all.

When I interviewed fugitive mum (with five daughters) Natalie Bracht she said she believed the next false flag terror attacks would be in Northern Ireland.

Ireland to suffer a New Terror Attack?
http://www.politics.ie/lisbon-treaty/30994-ireland-suffer-new-terror-a ttack-6.html


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Quite a selection there.

What would their respective motives be?


We've been discussing the motives of the Securocrats on this forum for the last 4 years.
Where have you been?
You can use the search on here as well as Google.
And that's your final warning.

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TonyGosling wrote:
Another 'splinter group' the Continuity IRA are now claiming responsibility
McGuiness, Adams and, the Unionists absolutely aware that these killings may not been carried out by republicans at all.

Really? And where are their statements to this effect? Or is it simply your usual ESP telling you what you want to believe?
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When I interviewed fugitive mum (with five daughters) Natalie Bracht she said she believed the next false flag terror attacks would be in Northern Ireland.

If she had said Wales and that turned out to be the case it might be a bit more convincing, but while a return to violence in NI is most people's nightmare, you don't have to be Nostradamus to suggest that it might just happen.
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Could be Mossad, CIA, NATO or another European power.
Quite a selection there.

What would their respective motives be?

We've been discussing the motives of the Securocrats on this forum for the last 4 years.
Where have you been?
You can use the search on here as well as Google.

Inability to answer a straight question noted. Come on Tony, it's simple enough. What would Mossad gain by killing British squaddies in NI? What would NATO gain by the same? Or the EU? You seem very clear in your beliefs, yet strangely reticent to explain them when asked.
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And that's your final warning.

Blimey, I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition! What's the punishment for heresy round here? If you can only respond to reasonable requests to clarify what you believe with threats, then you truly are morally and intelectually bankrupt.

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With British military assets spread very thinly on the ground at the moment, what advantage would there be in "them" potentially precipitating a return to active deployment in NI?


("Them" being W.H.O.M.?)

Diversion? Deflection from more pressing exposure elsewhere, perhaps? eg:

http://www.presstv.com/Detail.aspx?id=87982&sectionid=3510203

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With British military assets spread very thinly on the ground at the moment, what advantage would there be in "them" potentially precipitating a return to active deployment in NI?


("Them" being W.H.O.M.?)

Diversion? Deflection from more pressing exposure elsewhere, perhaps? eg:

http://www.presstv.com/Detail.aspx?id=87982&sectionid=3510203
The news bulletins this morning had the shot PSNI officer as the lead item, but dealt with it fairly quickly before moving onto other items, such as the the increase in the number of UK cannabis factories, and the proposed "train a teacher in six months" nonsense. If the above was genuinely being "buried," it doesn't need something as drastic as murder to achieve it.
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