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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:51 pm    Post subject: Tue30June - 9pm BBC2 - Conspiracy Files 7/7 Reply with quote

News thread is here
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=17596

BBC Conspiracy Files 7/7 documentary is likely to be shown before end of June 2009 the production assistant told me this afternoon.

How will this pan out?

Will they deal with the legality of the various show trials and lack (like Princess Diana) of inquests?

The lack of a public enquiry under the Coroner's Act governing suspicious deaths and inquests. The British state is subverting that law. Section 17a of the Coroner’s Act of 1988 requires a public enquiry to save distress to relatives and for economy of cost.
You know like in a train crash.

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BBC 7/7 Documentary delayed 'until mid 2009'
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another white wash coming up
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, they said they'd give me the transmission date yesterday.
Still no call.
But I just spoke to them
Confirmed now as being transmitted on BBC2 at 9pm on Tuesday 30th June 2009

My impression is that they will take the various anomalies such as the warning, exercise and lack of CCTV and attempt to explain them away. We shall see.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roll up roll up place your bets

Peter Power mentioned?

Peter Power not mentioned?


BTW Gambling is a sin, bet you cant give it up.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So just as Nick's book launch on 7/7 ends at 9pm on Tuesday 30th June, the BBC will put out a documentary on the same topic.

See: http://www.terroronthetube.com/ , http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=17469

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Well, they said they'd give me the transmission date yesterday.
Still no call.
But I just spoke to them
Confirmed now as being transmitted on BBC2 at 9pm on Tuesday 30th June 2009

My impression is that they will take the various anomalies such as the warning, exercise and lack of CCTV and attempt to explain them away. We shall see.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Roll up roll up place your bets

Peter Power mentioned?

Peter Power not mentioned?


BTW Gambling is a sin, bet you cant give it up.



Peter Power, 10th Oct 2008 wrote:

There has been much nonsense written about why my company ran an exercise on 7 July 2005 that had very close parallels to the real thing that day. Since then I have made several attempts to add my own comments to numerous sites that seem to get increasingly excited about their own conspiracy theories and in the process exclude any rational debate. It seems those who occupy the world of finding conspiracy theories to replace just about any coincidence, do not want to have any dialogue with those offering a different view, but I have not yet given up hope. I am therefore hoping, perhaps naively, that someone might like to read an honest and factual account about a particular exercise my company ran in London three years ago.

Unfortunately, the BBC have just postponed a programme in their ‘conspiracy files’ series that would have done this. Our client three years ago agreed to be named in the BBC programme since the attitude of the producer and his team was very balanced (several conspiracy theorists were also invited to take part). We even allowed our complete exercise material to be made available to the BBC. Regrettably broadcasting it now might jeopardise an ongoing court case, so they had little choice about postponing it to next year.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I understand it Peter Power is interviewed.
When the BBC shelved the documentary last October he posted this on Mike Rudin's blog.
Mike Rudin's blog wrote:

Early in 2005 Reed Elsevier, an organisation specialising in information and publishing that employs 1,000 people in and around London, asked us to help them prepare an effective crisis management plan and rehearse it before sign-off. Several draft scenarios were drawn up and the crisis team themselves set the exercise date and time: 9.00am on 7 July.
The test was planned as a table-top walk through for about six people (the CM team) in a lecture room with all injects simulated. Everything was on MS PowerPoint. The location of their Central London office near to Chancery Lane was chosen as one test site. With many staff travelling to work via the London underground system, the chosen exercise simulated incendiary devices on three trains, very similar to a real IRA attack in 1992, as well as other events.
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They havnt made a fair program yet, Auntie wont rock the boat. Popular Mechanics on the TV coming up
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Everyone's idea of what is fair is different.
I just wanted them to show the context of 7/7... you know Gladio, N. Ireland and what's happening now in the Middle East.
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The Oklahoma and Kelly programmes were pretty good IMO.

Diana and 9/11 though were disgusting and 'sponsored by Halliburton'.
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I'm aware that Dr Kollerstrom comes in for a bashing in this BBC bottle job documentary. They first contacted me to appear on this.
Interestingly they've decided to screen it at exactly the same time as Dr Kollerstrom is delivering a talk on the tube bombings.

It will be interesting to hear the questions put to him afterwards.

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So just as Nick's book launch on 7/7 ends at 9pm on Tuesday 30th June, the BBC will put out a documentary on the same topic.

See: http://www.terroronthetube.com/ , http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=17469

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Well, they said they'd give me the transmission date yesterday.
Still no call.
But I just spoke to them
Confirmed now as being transmitted on BBC2 at 9pm on Tuesday 30th June 2009

My impression is that they will take the various anomalies such as the warning, exercise and lack of CCTV and attempt to explain them away. We shall see.

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Conway Hall, Red Lion square - Tuesday 30th June 2009.
7.00- 8.45 NK Talk discussion about his book, etc.
8.55- 9.45 BBC film starring NK with Q & A after.

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Here is my own checklist of sorts which might be used to score the BBC 7/7 Programme when it goes out. I suggest one 'point' (out of a maximum of 20) for a simple mention and an extra point for a reasonable presentation of the issue:

1. Context of Operation Gladio
2. Haroon Aswat named as 'mastermind' then discovered to be working for MI6?
3. Context of War on Terror, getting Britain to fight wars against Muslim countries.
4. 7/7 Public Enquiry should have happened almost immediately (Coroners Act) thus no heads have rolled and it may happen again
5. Government got train times wrong in narrative
6. Extraordinary coincidence of Peter Power and his 'drill'
7. Extraordinary coincidence of Peter Power and Panorama programme about bombs during big international conference
8. Warning issued to Israeli Embassy and denied by Brian Paddick
9. MI5 saying alleged bombers were 'clean skins' when they clearly were not
10. Verint Systems (Israeli CCTV firm) record of criminality
11. Lack of CCTV images placing alleged bombers on trains
12. Daniel Obachike testimony saying Hasib Hussein was not on the bus.

I realise that's not a comprehensive list and others please add if you wish but in my mind it spells out pretty well some of the most substantiated doubts I have with the official story.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBC now have a page on their website about the show

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THE CONSPIRACY FILES: 7/7
Tuesday, 30 June, 2009 - 2100 BST, BBC Two

Nearly four years after the 7/7 bombing, England's worst terrorist atrocity, The Conspiracy Files investigates the conspiracy theories flourishing on the internet.

There have been three official reports into the bombings on 7th July 2005, which claimed the lives of 56 people and injured 784 others.

The programme sees how conspiracy theories suggest four British Muslims were framed by the government, play on the fears of the Muslim community and spread a highly divisive and damaging message.

The Conspiracy Files: 7/7 examines the evidence in an attempt to separate fact from fiction.

Produced and Directed by Tristan Quinn
Series Producer: Mike Rudin
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/conspiracy_files/8107594.stm


This is the most interesting paragraph by far....

"The programme sees how conspiracy theories suggest four British Muslims were framed by the government, play on the fears of the Muslim community and spread a highly divisive and damaging message."

So, are we saying that these Muslims were framed by the government?
No, if the alleged bombers were framed it was the police who did it.
And what is that divisive and damaging message?

That our secret services cannot be trusted to tell the truth?
That our secret services cannot be trusted to have the British public's best interests at heart?
That Private Military Companies can now kill British civilians at will?
That official secrecy is acting as a cover for private interests, and foreign powers?

And are the Establishment and Private Military Companies playing on the fears of the British people and political classes?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After previous CF shows it is pretty clear what the trajectory of this one will be.

Start off by posing a good question or two. (Not too many)
Do some safe investigative journalism. (No major surprises expected)
Cue 7/7 Rip-off effect shown in a mosque. (Show a few Muslims favouring that CT in a bad light)
Tony Gosling falls on the cutting room floor. (Lucky, lucky man)
Cue Dr K. (the horror, the horror)
Cue RN.
Cue Paddick.
End with statement of how insulting/disrespectful/hurtful to survivors and bereaved.
And, I almost forgot, how anti-semitic.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TonyGosling wrote:

This is the most interesting paragraph by far....

"The programme sees how conspiracy theories suggest four British Muslims were framed by the government, play on the fears of the Muslim community and spread a highly divisive and damaging message."

So, are we saying that these Muslims were framed by the government?
No, if the alleged bombers were framed it was the police who did it.
And what is that divisive and damaging message?

That our secret services cannot be trusted to tell the truth?
That our secret services cannot be trusted to have the British public's best interests at heart?
That Private Military Companies can now kill British civilians at will?
That official secrecy is acting as a cover for private interests, and foreign powers?

And are the Establishment and Private Military Companies playing on the fears of the British people and political classes?


I would hazard a guess that the argument will run something like this.....

Another deeply worrying trend is the links between conspiracy theorists and the far right (cut to picture of NK smiling with leading holocaust denier Lady whatsherface). Leading July 7 activist NK provoked a storm of protest last year when he published his theories on the holocaust including his claim that no jews were gassed in the holocaust and that the nazi death camps were actually holiday camps where inmates sunbathed and took art classes. This led to the LSE to public denounce Dr Kollerstrom and his views

Cut to a bumbling interview with lots of dodgy camera work and lighting where a dishevelled NK attempts to explain his views.

Anti-semitic conspiracy theories have led to a dramatic rise in antisemitism and led to calls from some for the internet to be more tightly regulated to prevent the promotion of hatred.

Cut to interview about the internet and freedom of speech and how in these dangerous times there have to be limits.........

Conspiracy theorists (lumping us all together as if we all think alike) claim that July 7 was the work of MOSSAD. Despite strenuous denials from Israel, they claim this supports their beliefs that a Jewish cabal runs the world.

Cut to tearful story about antisemtic attacks and the rise of the BNP followed possibly by an emotional interview with Rachel N where she recounts how CTs on the internet attacked her and called her vile names because her husband is Jewish.

Show that the tube station exercise statistics (quoted by NK, Alex Jones and others) are just bad maths.

Chuck in Maud Dib, his 'anti-semitic message'. Focus on Canary Wharf theories. Get a few witnesses to say nothing extraordinary happened there.

Cut to an interview with DS, our other favourite messiah and speculate as to whether messiah complexes are particularly prevalent amongt CTers

Cue some bad psychology on how we are a cult, needing to believe these ridiculous theories to make us feel important and to find a 'simple explanations' to complex problems. Pray on the weak and feeble minded

etc etc..................

Studiously ignore the hard, difficult evidence. Ignore J7, Ludicrous Diversion and Nafeez's book.

I think you get the idea by now. I predict this will be the BBC's biggest hatchet job yet. I only hope the public will be able to see through the propaganda but I'm not holding my breathe
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:14 am    Post subject: BBC Conspiracy Files: 7/7, on next Tuesday Reply with quote

The BBC's Conspiracy Files programme on the 7/7 London bombings is on BBC 2 at 9 p.m., Tuesday, June 30. It looks like it will be a hit piece. The program description on the Conspiracy Files website states: "The programme sees how conspiracy theories suggest four British Muslims were framed by the government, play on the fears of the Muslim community and spread a highly divisive and damaging message."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2009/06/the_conspiracy_files_77. html
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Mike Rudin | 08:53 AM, Wednesday, 24 June 2009

The bombings on 7 July 2005, which killed 56 people and injured 784, England's worst terrorist atrocity, are the subject of one of the most difficult programmes in the Conspiracy Files series. Difficult because it is still an understandably sensitive subject for survivors and relatives of victims.

But I also think it is important to investigate the conspiracy theories that continue to develop around 7 July attacks, because they play on the fears of the Muslim community and spread a highly divisive and damaging message. The programme carefully and analytically works through the allegations and the evidence to separate fact from fiction.

There have been three official reports into the bombings. However, a host of internet films continue to scrutinise every word and every picture for signs of a hidden truth.

The programme, to be shown on BBC Two at 9pm on Tuesday 30 June shows that on one occasion one sceptic was right and spotted a significant error in the Home Office narrative. The government had to apologise for suggesting in a report, nearly a year after the attacks, that the four bombers had boarded a train which had actually been cancelled.

However, crucially the government insists the bombers were still able to get to London on time, because they caught an earlier train, which was delayed leaving Luton.

Internet videos question the official account, suggesting the British government has deceived people into thinking four suicide bombers carried out the attacks. Some go even further and allege the British government was involved.

The latest Conspiracy Files programme films one notorious conspiracy video being played at the Birmingham Central Mosque and sees first hand how conspiracy theories have found favour among some Muslims.

One opinion poll by Gfk NOP for Channel 4, two years after 7 July attacks, found that around a quarter of British Muslims questioned thought the government or MI5 were involved in the bombings.

Rachel North, who survived the bomb on the Piccadilly line, tells the programme that the conspiracy theories need to be countered for that very reason:

"If people in mosques think that the Government is so antagonistic towards them that they're actually willing to frame them for a monstrous crime they didn't commit what does that do to levels of trust? That is a problem for the government and for everybody in this country."

Brian Paddick, who was Metropolitan Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner at the time of 7 July 2005, argues it is important to counteract the conspiracy theories:

"Programmes like this may be very controversial but hopefully there will be people in the police service and in the security service and in government who will realize how important conspiracy theories are. And how important it is to try and prevent further atrocities that every attempt is made to try and counteract them."

Mike Rudin is series producer of The Conspiracy Files. The Conspiracy Files: 7/7 is on Tuesday 30 June at 9pm on BBC Two.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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followed possibly by an emotional interview with Rachel N where she recounts how CTs on the internet attacked her and called her vile names because her husband is Jewish.


What the flip? What on earth has my husband got to do with any of this? Why on earth do you think he is Jewish?

This place gets madder every day.

I suppose because I am demonstrably not Jewish, some Jewish connection must be found some other way, so why not make up a barking story about my husband being Jewish. Rolling Eyes

I think someone here once decided he was an Israeli on the basis of no evidence whatsoever. He's a flipping Yorkshireman, who was baptised as a small baby in a C of E ceremony requested by his parents and went on to grow up with zero interest in any organised religion.

Even if he was Jewish, or Israeli, what on earth does that have to do with anything? I've been called all sorts of things by Truthers but this is one of the most ridiculous yet. Are you obsessed with Jews or something?
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If they leave out material such as the Panorama show from '04, which predicts the same scenario as 7/7 "almost precisely" and Giuliani being in London on the very same day, that will be very suspect indeed.

Two staggering "coincidences" that the coincidence theorists like to brush aside.

The programme will no doubt be of a debunking nature.
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I most certainly do not have an obsession with linking conspiracies to people of Jewish faith. I suggest it is more an obsession of serial debunkers such as the BBC conspiracy files (see the first 9/11 programme), David Arronovitch and Nick Cohen.

Their track record is there for all to see. I suggest the reason they constantly seek to associate all 'conspiracy theorists' with the very small minority of 'conspiracy theorists' who are racist or anti-semitic/anti-jewish is because they know full well that (1) this is a particularly effective way of turning the public away from looking at the evidence and (2) they prefer stereotypes and ad-hominems rather than have to debate the evidence.

May be you forget or didn't see the particular attacks on you that I refer? I have no idea if your husband is jewish or not and I certainly don't care or see it has any relevance. But there were posts made here that suggested that he is and which suggested that this may be of some significance. I made sure the posts were deleted and the posters banned.
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This post from J7 on the BBC blog

All power to them

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2009/06/the_conspiracy_files_77. html#P82059290

Mike, as you know J7: The July 7th Truth Campaign declined to participate in the 7/7 episode of the risible Conspiracy Files series:

J7 refuse BBC Conspiracy Files Offer

Conspiracy and Conspiracy Theories lie at the heart of the State's legal system as evidenced in the recent trail of Ali, Shakil & Saleem, during which the judge in his summing up stated:

".. the men claim in their defence they are victims of a 'conspiracy theory without foundation."

and during which Andrew Hall QC for Saleem said:

"...a conspiracy theory that the prosecution have been prepared to pursue to the bitter end."

What we all need is the truth about the events in London on 7th July 2005, not an Official Conspiracy Theory or 'narrative', nor do we need 'alternative narratives'.

Despite all the attempts that will be made to cast anyone and everyone who 'dares' to challenge the Official CT or demands the evidence that backs up these claims as a 'dangerous paranoid fruit-loop' we at J7 will hold steadfast to the principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' and the people's inalienable right to question the State's version of events, no matter how unpalatable that may be to the BBC and its paymasters.

DI Neil Smith, Counter Terrorism Command at Scotland Yard wrote to J7:

"In due time I hope we will be in a position where all the public, and especially the families of those killed or injured, are fully appraised of what happened on the 7th July 2005.

Whilst we have not communicated for some time, I express the thanks of the CT Command for drawing attention to some issues in the official account that required clarification. Whilst is might not always be apparent from our replies, your scrutiny is seen as helpful rather than inconvenient."

J7 are equally concerned about highly divisive messages that spread mistrust amongst all communities not just Muslims, the recent (wrongful) arrest of 12 young students sends a far more damaging message than any CT can, or the use by far-right groups of anti-Muslim propaganda based on the events of 7th July 2005 or the use of blackmail and intimidation by the Security Services.

When we refused your offer to participate we wrote:

"The July 7th Truth Campaign would be more than happy to participate in any serious programme that honestly examines 7/7 in its correct historical and political context, the government narrative, the lack of evidence to support it, the nonsensical amendments that have been made to the narrative, and the ever increasing list of unanswered questions that engulf the events of 7/7.

However, we do not feel that the Conspiracy Files is the vehicle that will facilitate this, nor will it treat the event or issues arising from it with the level of seriousness that they demand, and nor will it further the cause of the July 7th Truth Campaigns quest for the truth about what happened on 7th July 2005. As such, the July 7th Truth Campaign has no intention of participating in the proposed episode of the Conspiracy Files and can only hope you will take on board the points we have raised in this communication in consideration of your public service duty to the people of Britain, a people that includes at least 56 families whom, through your continued refusal to honestly address the events of 7/7, you have hitherto failed abysmally."

We suspect that after viewing your offering on Tuesday, failing abysmally will be all too apparent.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And this from our favourite security consultant

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2009/06/the_conspiracy_files_77. html#P82080565

Several months ago I supported the BBC team making the subsequently postponed 7/7 Conspiracy Files programme (now to be broadcast 0n 30 June) as I had the temerity to say on UK TV on 7 July 2005 that my company had that day also run an exercise involving simultaneous bombs on the London underground. A few days before so had more than one major London based origination and before that a BBC Panorama programme had done the same thing. The point being that the underground system in London has since 1885, been one of the most attacked structures in the UK apart from Belfast.

It follows that a company like ours that helps many organisations prepare for crises (a) always seeks to run one or more client based exercises and (b) will choose a scenario based on a realistic threat analysis. My comment on TV four years ago was intended to encourage others to do the same and at a time when the terrorist threat level remains very high to test their response in advance.

A message on this site dated 24 June mistakenly says that both 9/11 & 7/7 the respective governments were engaged in training simulations. The inaccurate assumption being our exercise that day was part of government training.

Regrettably there are many people who will always put conspiracy above coincidence and we still get menacing or otherwise nuisance emails and telephone calls every day.

Having already made available to the BBC our unexpurgated exercise material used in 2005 I look forward to this programme on 30 June and hope it will debunk some of the rather bizarre stories. However, I would still rather live in an open society where people can challenge official statements, but they in turn must be prepared to reconsider their assumptions if a cogent case is made to separate fact from fiction. I hope this will be the case next week.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian your insightful posts here are always a pleasure to read, and I think you've pretty much outlined what we can expect from the BBC's 7/7 CF 'debunking' effort.

We at J7 have posted this in anticipation of a 'hatchet-job':

BBC2 Conspiracy Files and the Official Conspiracy Theory

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter Power is going to tell who he was running the drills for ?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

illeagalhunter wrote:
Peter Power is going to tell who he was running the drills for ?


I bet you £1,000,000 it turns out to be Reed Elsevier.

What Peter Power has not done is list the stations involved in his paper exercise. he suspicion is that thereis hardly any overlap with the 7/7 incident stations.

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numeral wrote:
illeagalhunter wrote:
Peter Power is going to tell who he was running the drills for ?


I bet you £1,000,000 it turns out to be Reed Elsevier.

What Peter Power has not done is list the stations involved in his paper exercise. he suspicion is that thereis hardly any overlap with the 7/7 incident stations.

You might be on to a winner there Numeral.
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In short, some of the research for our exercise had already been done. The scenario developed for our client even started by using fictitious news items from the Panorama programme then, as with any walk through exercise, events unfolded solely on a screen as dictated by the facilitator without any external injects or actions beyond the exercise room. Also factored into the scenario was to be an above ground fictitious bomb exploding not far from the head office of the protected Jewish Chronicle magazine where for exercise purposes, our imagined terrorists would have been aware that commuters would now be walking to work (past a building already considered a target) as some tube stations would have been closed.

Of just eight nearby tube stations that fell within possible exercise's scope, three were chosen that, by coincidence, were involved in the awful drama that actually took place on 7 July 2005. A level of scenario validation that on this occasion, we could have done without.

An exercise that turns into the real thing is not that unusual. For example, in January 2003, thirty people were injured when a tube train derailed and hit a wall at speed. At the same time, the City of London Police were running an exercise for their central casualty bureau where the team quickly abandoned their plans and swung into action to cope with the real thing.

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To make it clear... I support J7's decision not to appear in this programme.
Mike Rudin's office at White City have produced some disgusting propaganda and betrayed the trust of 9/11 Truth campaigners and the public.

I see my role here as at least giving Mike Rudin a last chance to redeem himself.

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TonyGosling wrote:
To make it clear... I support J7's decision not to appear in this programme.
Mike Rudin't office at White City have produced some disgusting propaganda and betrayed the trust of 9/11 Truth campaigners and the public.

I see my role here as at least giving Mike Rudin a last chance to redeem himself.

We haven't asked for your support Tony, and both your hypocrisy and arrogance are astounding. Facilitating Rudin's 'redemption' will come at some cost to all of us who have campaigned for the truth behind these events.

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Shall we just wait and see what the documentary does and doesn't say, rather than creating conspiracy theories about it? Discussion in this thread is getting ridiculous. It's clear that there have been attempts to disrupt the book launch. Raking up side issues and second-guessing what the BBC is going to say hasn't been helpful.

Let's put our efforts into telling folk about the events, and in encouraging a good turnout for Nick's book launch and a good critical look at whatever Mike Rudin's group in the BBC comes up with.
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I'm sure Ian Neil's anticipations of this program will be spot on. I kept gullibly believing Tristran Quinn, who insisted it was his program and there was no-one over him who could re-structure it. He spent days filming me at Leeds, Luton and Kingston, and for the latter especially he or Susan Pritchard who was initially with him would phone me up and summon me down to Kingston again and would then get comments from me about the trial. Something like six days altogether, I travelled down to Kingston. Ian Neil had warned me about participating in the program, about how I would just be 'used' and in retrospect he was absolutely right.

I am then phoned up by Mike Rudin's secretary a couple of weeks ago to say they are just finalising the program and by the way Tristan quinn is on holiday and there is no point me trying to contact him.

Turns out all of the film that he and I did at Luton, Leeds and Kingston has been cut. I'll refrain from further comment. Suffice to say that the Mistres of Untruth Rachel North does get the final word in slagging me off - one more time.
Its impossibe for me to regret this whole experience, because the chapter in my book about the 7/7 Kingston trial came out from it. You'll have to be the judge as to whether that makes it worthwhile.
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