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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:29 pm    Post subject: The passing of Keith Mothersson Reply with quote

Help and guidance from Keith

Keith Mothersson died 3rd July
I’ve known Keith Mothersson for about thirty years. He was a socialist Buddhist visionary-philosopher, and a central concern of his has always been, how would a society that lives in a condition of peace be possible? He and I and some legal eagles co-founded the little known group Inlap (the Institute for Law and Peace) in the late 1980s, which was concerned with legal defences used by peace activists and with the concept of mass destruction technology being inherently unlawful – His is a feminist vision, about our common Motherland. He promoted his central vision of what ought to be sacred, viz the immunity of noncombatant civilians, if our world is to endure: that is to say, women and children especially not participating in a war, ought to be safe.

Maybe it was because of his grandfather being the founder of the Tavistock Clinic, but in the new millennium he became quite involved in the 9/11 and 7/7 truth movements. He would always come out with awesome insights over what was really going on. He could sus out the psychologically strange manipulation, whereby the public were being told something that was not actually true. This is something totally outside the traditional socialist agenda, whereby our reality itself is being manipulated, and it becomes hard to tell the difference between what is real and what is illusory. Up in Scotland he worked as a gardener and I always supposed this would assist and maintain his peace of mind. Keith and I share happy memories of being present at the early July 7 truth campaign meetings (he had just donated to them his URL www.julyseventh.co.uk).

Nobody helped me more in producing my ‘Terror on the Tube’ book, both in the text and evaluation of the sometimes obscure central issues, than Keith. He recently sent out a swathe of e-mails to various editors of papers and journals about the forthcoming publication of my book, eg:
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A trusted colleague and friend has written a very fine book which I was privileged to read and comment on in draft, and which sets out the case that the supposed perpetrators of July 7th were almost certainly entrapped and framed. The attachments set out the cover pages and contents pages of ‘Terror on the Tube’ by Dr Nick Kollerstrom, to be published shortly by US based progressive Press…. this handsomely produced book (30th April).
- the main discernable effect of which was that Rachel North started wittering on her blog about the forthcoming opus, presumably someone sent it to her. But, I ask in agony, did this have some adverse effect upon him, which he did not anticipate?

Keith was founder of ‘All faiths for 9/11 Truth’ which was concerned to heal the millenia-old ‘war’ between Muslims and Christian civilisations, in danger of being reactivated in our time. As such he had quite a lot to do with MUJCA, Muslims, Jews and Christians for 9/11 truth, founded in the US by Kevin Barrett. Kevin was coming over to London on July 7th for his first major UK 9/11 meeting, so they would have met. Kevin had written the foreword to my book and this was the time of its launch. Keith was also expected at a 7/7 meeting at the Birmingham Mosque on 5th July two days earlier. Here again his marvelous peace-building skills would have been of value. He would have been good at the building of bridges of understanding with the Muslims there. So this was quite an important period for him.

It Strikes – the Amnesia – but what was it?
The nurse at Scotland’s Murray Royal psychiatric clinic did not know what is wrong with him. It’s a kind of dementia, but the staff have not seen so sudden an onset of this condition before. His mind has sort of gone. It happened on Thursday 4th June, quite suddenly. The evening before he had gone to his Buddhist society as usual. One hears that he had been having troubles with is memory – but if so, none of us lot noticed anything. Sedated by a heavy, anti-psychotic drug, he does not remember a great deal. His friend D who visited him has described his memories of being in a van where a terrible struggle took place and where his mind may have been tampered with. If so, these memories of his have now gone. Noel went to visit him, and suddenly – this news.

For what little it may be worth, I offer this record of my phone calls with his close friend Daphne, taken on June 17th .

Daphne
Wed 3rd KM went to his Buddhist group as usual, in evening.

Thurs 4th 7pm Daphne arrived, saw him lying in bed dishevelled, he had forgotten the day and even the year - all he had done over last few months was a ‘horrible jumble’.
He had no idea of what they had intended to do that evening – she thought maybe he was ill, and took him to the doctor.
Friday ‘My mind has totally collapsed hasn’t it?’ He kept repeating.
He mentioned the van to Daphne as he was going, 4th- 8th June – there had been a horrible row in a van he kept saying, over this period; he went in hospital, Fri 5th.
Into a Psychiatric hospital, but not under section. He forgot 911 and sequence of time – immediate amnesia of past events. They will give him MRI brain scan

Murray Royal Hospital, Moridan b wing. He looks dreadful. He tried to escape, and from Mon 15th, he was given Haliperodal – 1 mg three times a day –an anti psychotic drug. This slows him down. 5 mg is max, turns one into vegetable. Dr Praetorius was his consultant psychiatrist.

Hospital staff confused – the nurse Tyrone said this was very unusual, because dementia does not usually arrive by a ‘sudden disintegration’ like this. He had never seen a case like this.

Then on june 16th, he told Daphne, ‘I’ve been in a van with some people and they messed with my head.’ NB I phoned her the next day, and wrote this sentence down as she said it. She was very positive about it. A health advocate’ came to argue case, but could not really communicate with him

His brother, sister and daughter do not approve of 911. Their grandfather founded tavistock clinic, Keith was trying to ask his sister and brother about this – but they would not talk! They view his conspiracy stuff as evidence of mental derangement.*

A further note taken on the 19th, after I phoned both KM and the staff nurse. Thr nurse doesn’t know what his condition is, it is still being assessed, mri scan etc, they will have an answer next week.
I talked to Keith and found that his memory and self-identity had rather faded away. He asked me if he was staying with me, (as if he did not recall that I was way down in London hundreds of miles away) adding ‘sorry I can’t remember.’

He was a grandfather and had certainly lived a good life. But, Aargh! Keith! We needed you!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is dreadful news and terribly sad. I only met Keith once. He seemed a very genuine and caring type of individual.

This stuff about 'a van' is very disturbing. I wonder if it is possible that a post-mortem examination will reveal anything?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is very sad news indeed and I'm deeply troubled that we have lost in such a mysterious way such an honest and open 'truther'. especially on the day the Daily Mail did such a fair minded piece on 7/7. Keith is now working in a new reality and we must all not show any fear for what may or may not have happened to him. The Criminal Global Elite are on the backfoot and they will lash out where they think they can do damage. Massive 'Lawful Rebellion' is about to happen and their whole House of Cards is about to come tumbling down. We must all remember Keith for the good times and make sure that when we have 'won' and the threat from the NWO is no more, that his contribution is fully recognised.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Comments by B.M. (with kind permission) 18 June:
I had the best part of an hour on the phone with Daphne this morning but
there's not much to add actually on Keith, he's less stressed than he was
but probably that's due to the medication. He no longer remembers the
incident in the van apparently but certainly we should all note it. Daphne
said that if this was somehow imagined or fictitious (which she doubts)
that's the only really weird thing he's said, his symptoms have all been to
do with memory loss and stress but not psychosis. We should assume therefore
something nasty really did happen to him which his mind is now blocking off.
It's the easiest thing in the world to bundle someone into a van, zap them
then let them go again. As to the timing I think it's to do with his going
to Birmingham on the anniversary which would have given new impetus to the
all-faiths for 9/11 truth work, Dr Naseem is very much into that too

Comment by N.G. after phone call to Keith, 21 June: ‘He also told me he had no idea about anything happening in the Birmingham Mosque.’
Then on 22nd: ‘Keith is the key guy in 9/11 Truth Scotland, All Faiths for 9/11 Truth, and All Faiths Against Terrorism. There was to be a key meeting on Sunday 5th July in Birmingham between Keith, as founder of All Faiths for 9/11 Truth and All Faiths Against Terrorism, and US campaigner and founder of MUJCA (Muslim, Jewish and Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth) and Imam Dr Mohamed Naseem, a homeopath and chair of the Birmingham Central Mosque who is a stalwart opponent of the government line on 7/7. Keith, who is a Buddhist, has been doing all faiths work in the UK on 9/11, similar to Kevin's (a Muslim despite his name) in the US.'

N.G., on 22nd: ‘I've just spoken to Daphne and she says that several times he referred to the van incident.’
on 23rd: ‘when he was admitted to hospital they knew him because he had already been there as an outpatient, referred by his GP, complaining of forgetfulness.’

Then after his death, B.M. 5 July: ‘This is appalling news. Keith was a physically fit man and until 3 weeks ago fully in command of his faculties. We have to suspect the worst … We’ve lost someone very special. Keith was an experienced long-term human rights activist with a lot of knowledge, as well as a good friend and fount of wisdom to many of us in the UK 9/11 movement … I believe the PTB were worried that his All-Faiths for 9/11 Truth initiative might gather momentum so if there’s one way we can hallow the memory of this noble soul it’s to make that happen… Furthermore Keith was one of the few in the movement who recognised that ultra-advanced technologies were deployed in bringing down the Towers and understood why it’s so important we all realise that.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know what to say. I spoke with Keith about a day after Noel had been up to see him. He sounded perfectly normal but a little tired. Understandable in the circumstances. In fact he sounded as if he was recovering.

I had heard about the van incident but didn't mention it to him, having heard from Daphne that he had denied it on being reminded of it. He complained about a problem with his hip, nothing else physical.

Now this ...
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inappropriate to be putting speculation about how Keith died forward as fact Nick.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I'm afraid the 'Chinese Whispers' effect may operate. We need to be sure we're getting at the truth and to do that we need to go back to the original sources of information. What exactly did Keith say to Daphne or to Jane or to me.

One suggestion which is clearly untrue was that Keith had forgotten all his work on 9/11, 7/7 and All Faiths Against Terrorism. When I saw him he seemed to know about all this and the people involved, though he had forgotten the meeting he was due to speak at in the Birmingham Central Mosque, this evening July 5th with Kevin Barrett, founder of MUJCA. I asked him who Kevin Barrett is and he clearly both knew him and the work Kevin has been doing.

One issue to be aware of is that the hospital give information to Keith's family, not to his friends. If we are to get accurate infomation on what the hospital has said, we need to get it from his sister. She, and by all accounts other members of his family, disapprove of his friends. It seems they consider Keith's interests as delusional and a symptom of his illness. His family will get very upset about public speculation on the internet over whether Keith's death was an assassination. That will make them even less inclined to share information with Keith's friends.

I suggest we all stop publicly speculating and try to find out what has been going on.

I am terribly upset about Keith's death. He was a very dear friend I've known for 33 years.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh dear i can't believe this sad news.

What a wonderful person Kieth was.He certainly made an impact on me and my son Steve.
He will be sadly missed by all of us that knew him.

God Bless and keep his memory alive in all of us.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xmasdale wrote:
One suggestion which is clearly untrue was that Keith had forgotten all his work on 9/11, 7/7 and All Faiths Against Terrorism. When I saw him he seemed to know about all this and the people involved, though he had forgotten the meeting he was due to speak at in the Birmingham Central Mosque, this evening July 5th with Kevin Barrett, founder of MUJCA. I asked him who Kevin Barrett is and he clearly both knew him and the work Kevin has been doing.


I can vouch for this as well from my conversation with Keith on the phone. He sounded as if he was recovering from what he described as short term memory loss.

I agree, Xmasdale, that it would be unhelpful to speculate on the causes of Keith's passing. You knew him for longer than most here and it's quite understandable that you should feel devastated. The passing of such a Warrior is a great loss to the Truth Movement and especially so in Scotland where there are few who come close to his level of commitment and activity.

To all of those he has left behind I am sure that Keith would commend the sentiments of the old catch-phrase, "Don't mourn; organise!"
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It is with great sadness and suspicion I learn of Keith's death. He is exactly the quality of person that would be eliminated - the intelligent incorruptible free thinker with the power to amplify truth.

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Murray Royal Hospital, Moridan b wing. He looks dreadful. He tried to escape, and from Mon 15th, he was given Haliperodal – 1 mg three times a day –an anti psychotic drug. This slows him down. 5 mg is max, turns one into vegetable. Dr Praetorius was his consultant psychiatrist.


Escape from Dr Praetorius? I would check this out.

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This is tragic news and our strongest condolences must go to his family and close friends.

I agree with Xmasdale that any public discussion over the circumstances of his death is best avoided and any enquiries are conducted in private through those friends who were closest to Keith

May he rest in peace (as he undoubted is) and may we all remember all that was good and honest and true about Keith.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith helped us all more than we may ever realise. I wish I had more of a chance to spend some time with him. The 1st time I met him was in a tube station in March 2006, but even then I didn't get much chance to talk to him.

Thanks to Nick for giving us an overview of what has happened - he sure was working in some dangerous areas.

Also thanks to Noel for his additional info/thoughts and perspective.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
Devastating news. Keith made a huge contribution to the UK truth movement and was imo a top quality activist. The professional banners he produced for the gatherings in London etc being evidence of such.


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I'm saddened to hear this.
Keith sacrificed a lot to build the foundations of the UK Truth Movement.

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im so sad to hear of Keiths passing. I hope that his family will press for a full investigation into how he died so suddenly. Condolences to his freinds and family.
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I phoned up the nurse on his ward, in the psy. hospital where Keith had been, she said they had no idea what the cause of his death had been. I told her that Noel had visited him a few days before his death, and thought he was getting better, but she had no comment.

Sounds rather like when I phoned them up earlier and asked them if they had any idea what his sudden memory-amnesia was due to, that got him into the hospital, they didn't. She was cagey about whether an autopsy would reveal anything, or whether she would be allowed to tell me if it did.

A post-mortem is due to be performed today - July 7th - !! - on Keith's body, Daphne told me, in Dundee hospital, though this can be delayed a day or two. Aargh, this hurts too much. Some people are suspecting foul play she told me. [NB she did not accept that Keith had been 'getting better' - his mind was shook up like a kaleidoscope she told me].
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We can honour Keith’s memory by distributing his excellent ‘All faiths for 9/11 Truth’ leaflet. It describes the launch of this movement:
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We are emerging (March 2008, CE) in the context of the UK and global peace movements, hoping to bring to bear the added value or synergy that a movement of various faiths can offer. And also hoping to enrich both peace movements and faith groups with a deeper understanding of how the wars have been procured by an audacious lie….Grasp with us the nettle of 9/11 Truth, and join us in an overdue journey of self-education, not just into the truth about 9/11, but also into the mental and emotional resistances which so many of us experience when asked to awaken to the crimes and deceptions of the powerful.


His vision of peace, of how the world could live in peace, was earlier expressed in his book, From Hiroshima to the Hague: Guide to the World Court Project published by the International Peace Bureau in 1992, about how ordinary citizens could use lawful arguments to oblige the powerful, and to convict warmongers (let’s hope the ‘Make Wars History’ movement will honour this aspect of his work.). Here I guess is his final statement, in the All Faiths brochure:
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* To reduce fear and help the heal ‘clash of civilisation’ divisions.
* Establish the centrality of accountable truthfulness in public life,
* Build a diverse alliance of civilisations capable of ending war and bringing sustainable peace and economic justice to the affairs of our one troubled, beautiful, threatened world.

I felt he was a bit of a saintly character. For example he more or less paid for one of the big full-page 9/11 truth adverts in The Guardian (I believe) that he and Ian Henshall wrote. He gave a financial donation to the J7 movement.


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That is simply not true Nick.

You do both Keith and his friends and family a great disservice by your exaggeration, presumably to fit with a conclusion of your own preference.

I have told you twice that Keith was 'not all there' the last time I spoke to him which was at the end of May.

In fact it was almost impossible to get hold of him by phone or email.

Noels tribute to him at the Birmingham Central Mosque meeting was a bit of a tear jerker. Hopefully recorded by the Birmingham We Are Change people.

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One hears that he had been having troubles with is memory – but if so, none of us lot noticed anything.

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I haven't gathered what TG says is 'simply not true'

On July 7th, it came into Daphne’s memory (I phoned her on the 8th and heard this), what an old friend of Keith called Stella had told her recently, around the time when Keith was in hospital and sedated by anti-psychotic drugs. Stella is a community psychiatric worker who had known him very well for years (He had had a crush on her at one point). Her belief was, that he was having a nervous breakdown, that that was why he had been taken into hospital. Some weeks earlier, towards the end of April, she had visited his home in Perth, and was then shocked to hear him exclaim in anguish, while standing in front of his sink, ‘"I wish they’d stop F**** around with my head, why are they F**** doing this to me, me, why me? " She asked him what he meant, but could get nothing more out of him.

I reckon Keith was taken out, but, hard to say how.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is Tony's call. I have no wish to hush anything up and I appreciate Nick is long time friend of Keith's

However I feel that posting the names of Keith's closest friends and the details of private conversations into the public arena along with inviting discussion over whether or not he may have been 'taken out' will not be welcomed by those friends and certainly won't be welcomed by his closest family. Besides if he was 'taken out' discussing the details in public will IMO make it less not more likely that the truth will come out.

So I would like to invite Tony to remove those posts or parts of posts that discuss the circumstances of Keith's death (including this post) and leave this thread just for tributes to Keith.

If you agree or disagree with me, may I invite you to let your feelings known to Tony by PM rather than posting them here.

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What do you mean?
Do you deny that I told you this?

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Keith Mothersson's funeral will take place in Perth or Edinburgh on Monday 13th July
Please contact close friends and family for further details

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KEITH'S FUNERAL ARRANGEMENTS

I had a very cordial conversation with Keith's brother, Rob, last evening. I am not clear about all the details and do not have his number so that I can ring him back to check. Here is what I remember of our conversation:

An autopsy was completed by a professor in Dundee. Tissue samples have been kept. They were unable to determine the cause of death. They are baffled. However, Rob assured me, the death has nothing to do with what Keith was working on and the story Keith told to three of his friends of some incident in a van when "they messed with my head" has no bearing on the cause of his death.

Keith's funeral will be in Perth on Monday, July 13th, probably at 11am or 11.30. It will not be in a church but in some building concerned with the blind. It will be followed by burial in a woodland site.

They ask for no flowers to be sent but for donations to be given to two named charities: Scottish Aid for Gaza, and an environmental charity whose name I forget.

Rob's voice sounds so uncannily like Keith on the phone that it felt almost as though I was talking to Keith. But, as Keith would never have done, he asked me to tell his friends please to stop campaigning on 9/11 and to find something more worthwhile to campaign on. I assured him I would pass his message on but warned him I doubted anyone would take his advice.

I also warned him there would be speculation about Keith's death on the web which might be upsetting for the family. He said I shouldn't worry about that as the family will simply not look at it.

Clearly I need to fill in further details about the funeral arrangements. I will post them on this thread as soon as I have clarified them. Noel
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FUNERAL ARRANGEMENTS

I have just got further information.

The address is:

Centre for the Blind,

New Street, Perth.

The time: 11 for 11.30

It will be followed by refreshments and then followed by a burial in a woodland site near Crieff, some 15 miles away.

I still don't have details of the environmental charity, nor the address of Scottish Aid for Gaza.

I will post those here when I have details.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith's family may be contacted through his sister:

Helen Mein


Please contact me privately for her contact details

Noel
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm very sorry to hear about this. I met Keith only once he seemed a nice guy. This is a bit shocking!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I, too, was saddened, and taken aback at Keith's death. We had only met once, but we had a good discussion and I was quite impressed. Later, we had some correspondence on trying to bring more Muslims into the truth movement, and he sounded keen. In the end, I came to the realisation that we truthers had a long way to go in understanding the predicament and sensitivities of Muslims in the current situation. Keith was going out to them. I felt that, in time, that was something we could build on.

He will, I am sure, be missed on both sides of the divide.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Sad rest in peace KEITH.

God bless you always

Linda and Steven Collins.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KEITH' S FUNERAL ARRANGEMENTS

Here is the the definitive funeral announcement sent to me both by Keith's brother, Rob and by Daphne. I think in both the fact that it will be an interfaith meeting and a Buddhist burial, it shows great sensitivity to Keith's preferences on the part of his family.

Dear all,
An inter-faith service of thanksgiving for Keith’s life and sorrow at his passing, will be held at 11.30 am on Monday 13th July at The St Paul’s Centre, 14 New Row, Perth, Kinrosshire, PH1 5QA (known locally as ‘the blind centre’) http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=311459&y=723533&z=0&sv=PH1+5QA&st =2&pc=PH1+5QA&mapp=map.srf&searchp=ids.srf .
The family warmly invites all who knew him to join them for the ceremony and for refreshments afterwards.
Keith’s body will be buried at 2.00 at Strowan Woodland Cemetery, near Crieff, in a Buddhist ceremony. Again, we will welcome all who are able to join us – and so you should have no reservations about forwarding this message to anyone who knew and cared about Keith and his works.

http://www.strowanwoodlandcemetery.info/#/contact-us/4516750206



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