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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the ritualistic angle doesnt the victim need to actually be alive (albeit drugged, drunk whatever) at the sacrificial time. The ones i have read about usually involved the victim not knowing they actually were to be a victim and are brought into some trance like condition. Being stripped naked is also used and if the killers had gone to trouble of redressing the body that could account for the misssed sock.

I dont recall the police having so many press conferences and drip feeding info. The "missing sock" could be the obvious plant to incriminate someone. Wouldnt surprise me if it suddenly gets connected back to the Landlord.
I wonder if they are drip feeding info as they are carrying out surveiilance on suspects just to see their reactions.
Bet the landlords car has been fitted with tracker or bugged.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now censorship on this too
Bristol Indymedia censored the post I made last night here

Ten days on was Jo Yeates a victim of white man's black magic?
http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/702731


Extraordinary that this specific possibility should be so vehemently discounted.
Socks, drains?
Our station has been called by the police and told not to report ANY speculation on the case. No charges yet of course.
The station manager should rightly have told them to get a high court injunction but has not done so.

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Somerset
Satanist church planned for Taunton
BBC - 22 February 2005 1604 GMT
A Satanist priest is proposing to open a church in Taunton as soon as suitable premises have been found.
Many people associate Satanism with animal sacrifices. Is this what you do?
"No, not at all. The point of sacrifice in traditional Satanism is to heighten a magical presence.
"Modern Satanism says that this chemical release will come from within when performing certain rituals. We're strictly against sacrifice.
"We do have an altar and candles, and we do dress up in cloaks that cover our faces, even though people interpret this in a negative way."....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/somerset/so/2004/06/satanist_church.shtml

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Sentenced to life, the crossbow killer who ate his victims22nd December 2010
His "morbid interests" included Satanism, terrorism and knives, 30 of which were found in his flat, along with hundreds of journals dedicated to homicide studies, uncovered when police raided the heavily blood-stained premises after a caretaker discovered CCTV images of him shooting his third victim, Ms Blamires, with a crossbow.
Griffiths never explained to police why he chose to kill the three women, all of whom were from loving families, and had turned to prostitution to feed their drug habits. He said only: "Sometimes you kill someone to kill yourself. It is like deep issues inside me."
He described himself as "misanthropic" and said he "didn't have much time for the human race", but insisted he had "nothing against working girls and was not street cleaning like Peter Sutcliffe".
When he told officers he had eaten the thighs of one victim and cooked body parts of another, he said: "That's part of the magic."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sentenced-to-life-the-cross bow-killer-who-ate-his-victims-2166537.html


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A sex offender, drug dealer and Satanist who went on the run after he was released from prison is back in custody.
Gary Dover Afflick, 41, is understood to be one of 16 offenders, including violent and sex offenders, who were released earlier this year after a decision by Law Lords.
Afflick was released from HMP Garth in Preston in Lancashire on February 28 after Law Lords ruled that the Home Office had misinterpreted the law.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can also listen to me here
http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/48422

The fact that the winter solstice full moon fell during the week between when Joanne was abducted and when her body was found suggests her murder may have been a ritual killing.
It's certainly a long shot but if it's possible then time is of the essence because several, if not many individuals may have witnessed her murder and would have been away from home the night of Tuesday 21st December, the last Tuesday before Christmas. This would be evident to many of their friends or aquaintances but not unless police or journalists ask if anyone noticed an unusual absence that specific night.

My article which is here
http://www.tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=190790

has also been censored from Bristol Indymedia. here

Ten days on ... was Jo Yeates a victim of white man's black magic?
http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/702731

Joanne's parents told the press Avon and Somerset police have been keeping them in the dark, they have now made a statement saying they suport the police.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/12/29/joanna-yeates-murd er-investigation-boyfriend-greg-reardon-is-not-a-suspect-say-police-11 5875-22812756/

ITN and a forensic former murder squad professional have criticised the investigation and were then banned from police press conferences.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8242477/Joanna-Yeates-mur der-Avon-and-Somerset-Police-accused-of-censorship-over-ITN-press-ban. html

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He said he was still anxious to trace the driver of a light-coloured 4x4 vehicle seen in Longwood Lane on the night Miss Yeates disappeared, and his officers were trying to rule out “hundreds” of vehicles captured on CCTV as they drove across the Clifton Suspension Bridge, the most likely route the killer would have taken to get to where Miss Yeates’s body was found.


Given the amount of cctv cameras on the bridge and if the killer(s) were local and knew this then this might have been the LEAST likely route.
Of course cctv footage of someone lobbing a sock into the Avon might be pretty damning.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeates murder...it dont make sense

The poster "thecrownsucks" is not me BTW, I can't see what other post's they have written as there is no search for none members.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes but with a week in between it would be a slow journey
or more likely two completely different journeys

Other forum discussing the sock missing being a possible reference to masonic ritual only obvious to 'insiders'.

Yeates murder...it dont make sense
http://tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=26626

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He said he was still anxious to trace the driver of a light-coloured 4x4 vehicle seen in Longwood Lane on the night Miss Yeates disappeared, and his officers were trying to rule out “hundreds” of vehicles captured on CCTV as they drove across the Clifton Suspension Bridge, the most likely route the killer would have taken to get to where Miss Yeates’s body was found.


Given the amount of cctv cameras on the bridge and if the killer(s) were local and knew this then this might have been the LEAST likely route.
Of course cctv footage of someone lobbing a sock into the Avon might be pretty damning.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another factoid the police may have missed.


http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/25574?&condense_comments=false#co mment32339

The Ram pub, which was where Jo had her final drink before she went home that evening, is the nearest pub to Bristol's central freemasons hall (with Royal Arch temple within) on the opposite side of Park Street.



Have a look with Google Street View - Frreemasons Hall is visible directly behind this view of The Ram pub
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that a light coloured 4x4 parked outside!


I see now its The Sun sponsored £50,000 Reward T Shirts at the Bristol football match. Dont think they would have tried that one in Liverpool.

I think the ritual killing stuff may require the "shedding of blood" if Satanic rather than strangling

Is longwood lane still closed and is that normal in a murder investigation?

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The headless bodies of 15 young men have been found outside a shopping centre in the popular Mexican tourist resort of Acapulco. Skip related content
Handwritten signs were left with the bodies - a common calling card for the Mexican drug cartels.

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If drug lords can do this and skin their victims then maybe Joannas death may simply be someone just trying to save their own neck

Another theory-- the murder was targetted with a view to implicating landlord (developers and council lost money due to his and others work in getting planning applications overturned) hence his initial arrest on flimsy evidence-- but the sock and pizza could still resurface.

Another theory that might explain the apparent lack of forced entry (although i seemed to have read conflicting reports about that) She was followed or lying in wait(we have some evidence of others close by) had the key in the door and then initially attacked , hence the screams, bundled into the house where strangulation is the quickest way to silence the screams. this doesnt really explain the half drunk cider unless SHE didnt drink it. The killer(s) stayed in the flat deciding what to do (maybe even ate the pizza) possibly knowing the boyfriend was away or possibly drug fuelled in which case reasoning goes out the window. Why take the body and dump it, why not leave it in the flat? Police must have evidence if the boyfriend phoned her before he returned.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me the ritual murder hypothesis makes some sense because of the winter solstice full moon timing and strange early press coverage of Joanna's disappearance. Linked to that is the horror of her dead body being found on Christmas day. Naomi Klein Shock Doctrine style.
An occult ritual killing fits in with the nature of organised evil as I see it at work in the world today.

re above... The Bristol City boss Stephen Lansdown (on the left) is one of the chief Bristol Elitists. Not to be confused with Mocata from The Devil Rides Out (on the right).



He has a particular disdain for our democraticallly elected council and uses his friends who own and edit the Bristol Evening Post to bully the councillors.

NOW some more potential clues for police and public:

If it were a ritual murder it's likely Joanna would have been strangled close to where the body was found.
I already mentioned black magic designer house The Observatory in Flax Bourton linked to Alistair Crowley down the road.
The Old Bristolian Society war memorial, pavillion and playing ground is on Longwood Lane itself where the body was found.
Nearby, off Manor Road you'll find the lake and cave at Abbot's Pool.
All three are possible crime scenes if ths were a ritual killing.

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I had a chat to a friend today, this is it paraphrased:

The way the media have gone in to frenzy means that if it was a ritualistic satanic murder then the perpetrators will be gorging on all the attention from the public emotions of fear, anger, dismay and anguish that are being created and perpetuated. Despite dozens of other murder cases, why are the media selective over which murder cases they give air time to, and why do they go to town on some and not even report others, who makes these editorial decisions?

I've spoke to a satanic abuse survivor who claimed she'd been raped by her own dad, got pregnant and then the baby sacrificed in some big ceremony with a load of them there. When I asked why she didn't go to police she said that there were too many people involved (including cops) and that they would just pull the false memory/insane job on her or worse. This is not the only time I've come across this type of abuse and as you know there are many other reported cases of a similar ilk.

That whole area West of the Avon Gorge is riddled with white and black magicians of all types - I've come across witches circles complete with doll effigies, the works; off the beaten track in Leigh Woods - I'm guessing they've all taken their stuff away now due to the police combing the area.


Also.... some specific information on the full moon sent to me by email

Immersion of full moon began on December 21 at 16h17 UT and end at 07h34UT (all times in UT)

December 22 17h29 - 08h20

December 23 18h46 - 01h20 immersion & emersion in Gemelli 5h14-6h09 (castor & pollux)

December 24 20h05 - 02h15

December 25 21h23 - 09h57 immersion & emersion in Leo 1h11- 2h12 (regulus)

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If you were a burgler or wanting to hide in the flat when you heard the key in the latch where would you quickly hide-perhaps hoping to escape unnoticed? Burglars often target bedrooms where jewellry boxes kept. Hide under the bed?

what does a women do when she has just walked a mile or 2 home on a cold night. Take coat off, possibly hang it up, pee, make to the bedroom sit on the bed and take off those boots then take off sweaty ski socks or perhaps in this case only got to take off 1 sock before the killer gave "himself" away- she screams and he strangles.

where the pizza half drunk cider and reason to dump the body fits in is anyones guess.

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This is what our local rag has (obviously not young blond landscape architects)

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Jan 8 2011 Liverpool Echo

APPEALS were made for two people missing from home to come forward.

John Michael Hollingworth, 37, of Summerford Close, Birkenhead, went missing on December 28 after an evening with family.

Meanwhile, 52-year-old Dorothy Blundell has been missing from her home in Durning Road, Kensington, since December 31. She was last seen at around 5pm in the Blob Shop pub in Liverpool city centre.

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Several articles have noted some remarkable similarities between between the death of Jo Yeates and the 1974 murder of Glenis Carruthers. Carruthers was found dead just outside Bristol zoo on January 19, 1974. She had been at the 21st birthday party of her friend Sandra Hardyman, but was killed after she left the party unnoticed, possibly to make a call from a nearby phone box.

As a curious coincidence, the Daily Telegraph noted, "Geoffrey Hardyman, who is Sandra Hardyman’s first cousin once removed, now lives above Joanna Yeates’s flat, which is around 350 yards from where the party was taking place."

According to the Daily Mail: "The 78-year-old former Clifton College classics master spoke out in the days following the disappearance of Joanna on December 17. He said: 'I wasn’t very well on the night she went missing and didn’t hear anything. I have heard reports there was a party in the area, but I heard absolutely nothing and I am quite a sensitive sleeper.'"

The Bristol Evening Post also has a good article on the similarities between the two murders.

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Police urged to DNA test EVERY man in Bristol in hunt for killer of Joanna Yeates


Kerry McCarthy, Labour MP for Bristol East, wants swabs to be taken from the entire male population - around 250,000 people.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345385/Police-urged-DNA-test- EVERY-man-Bristol-hunt-killer-Joanna-Yeates.html

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Police urged to DNA test EVERY man in Bristol in hunt for killer of Joanna Yeates


Kerry McCarthy, Labour MP for Bristol East, wants swabs to be taken from the entire male population - around 250,000 people.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345385/Police-urged-DNA-test- EVERY-man-Bristol-hunt-killer-Joanna-Yeates.html


pretty pointless if the killer was a jealous female. Think they would have to pass a new law to make it mandatory?

Does this mean the Police have some DNA traces on the body or clothing?

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Husq wrote:
Police urged to DNA test EVERY man in Bristol in hunt for killer of Joanna Yeates

Kerry McCarthy, Labour MP for Bristol East, wants swabs to be taken from the entire male population - around 250,000 people.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345385/Police-urged-DNA-test- EVERY-man-Bristol-hunt-killer-Joanna-Yeates.html

McCarthy's argument is sickening and idiotic.

A nice DNA database of an entire city built on the fly.
Some elements within Labour seem to somehow be infatuated with this idea.

I can already see the lobotomized semi-morons repeat:
'But if you have nothing to hide you should go ahead and provide your DNA sample'.

Will the police track down every single male inhabitant of Bristol and force him to provide a sample?

Do we understand the privacy implications?

What if the perpetrator doesn't even live in Bristol?

Also, there are plenty of murders of younger kids in south London estates every week.

How come there are no calls for DNA sampling of London boroughs?

Then again, the kids who get murdered there are black...

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Interesting article from the past.

Bristol again.

Christmas Day killer trapped by DNA test

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/christmas-day-killer-trapped-by-dna- test-1143922.html

Wonder If any DNA samples were kept on record from tht 4,500 men?

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Joanna Yeates murder: Why haven't cops viewed CCTV near the murder scene?
EXCLUSIVE by Simon Wright 9/01/2011
Police hunting Jo Yeates’ killer may have missed vital clues by failing to carry out basic checks on the nearest CCTV cameras to where her body was found, it was claimed last night.
Two cameras at the Redwood Hotel point out to the road which her murderer would almost certainly have driven along.
Management at the hotel - adjacent to Longwood Lane where Jo’s frozen body was found on Christmas Day – claimed detectives hadn’t asked for footage from the cameras.

Duty manager Sue Card said in a statement: “The police did not come here on Christmas Day. The police have not seen any of our CCTV footage and nor have they ever asked to.”
But police are adamant they DID visit the hotel on December 25th and say they were told the cameras weren’t working.
The apparent confusion over the cameras - which are pointed at the entrance and exit and aimed out towards the road - comes amid criticism in some quarters of the Avon and Somerset force’s investigation into Jo’s death.
Yesterday a force spokesman said: “We went to Redwood Hotel to get the CCTV in the very early stages of the investigation - when Jo was still just a missing person.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/2011/01/09/why-haven-t-cops-viewed-cctv-n ear-the-joanna-yeates-murder-scene-115875-22835722/

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http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/170905/Jo-Yeates-murder-Mum-in-ca ll-for-DNA-test/
8th January 2011
By Jerry Lawton, Chief Crime Correspondent

THE mum of a teenager murdered in Jo Yeates’s area has urged police to DNA test locals in a bid to catch her killer.

Gillian Smith, 63, said the tactic helped snare the man who raped and killed her 18-year-old daughter Louise as she walked home from a Bristol nightclub on Christmas Day, 1995.

Avon and Somerset Police took DNA samples from 5,000 men in the area.


Their suspicions fell on student David Frost, then 21, when he tried to avoid giving a sample as requested and left the country. Detectives followed him to South Africa to get the sample and he was arrested at Heathrow Airport on his return to the UK.


Last night Gillian said: “I hope that people in the area are tested when the police are ready to do it.


“If they have a sample of DNA and no match on the national database then they should do it.


“They should test residents near where she lived in Clifton and where her body was found.”


Detectives hunting Jo’s killer are understood to be awaiting the results of tests on a DNA trace found on her body.


A police spokesman declined to comment on whether they plan to carry out mass DNA tests.


Meanwhile, the family of another girl strangled close to Jo’s flat 27 years ago said both victims could have been killed by the same person.


Glenis Carruthers, 20, died in 1974 after leaving a party in the area.


Both women were found without shoes.


Glenis’s stepmum Helena said: “The two cases do seem very similar.”


“The two cases do seem very similar.” Don't they just?

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http://watchingyouwatchingyme-steelmagnolia.blogspot.com/2011/01/jo-ye ates-dna-found-on-her-body.html
What is known: Joanna was strangled, but the post mortem found no obvious signs of a sexual assault. She was also fully clothed when she was found, although her coat was found in her flat. A DNA sample from another person was found on her body.

ANALYSIS: The nature of the sample is unclear. DNA samples in other crime scenes often come from a piece of skin, a drop of blood or a fragment of fingernail. It is also unclear if the particle has provided the police with a full and unique DNA profile or is so-called ‘low copy’ DNA which makes it much harder to pinpoint to a single individual. Heavy snowfall which covered her body in the days before Christmas made it difficult for forensic specialists to determine accurate timings of events.
THE MOTIVE
What is known: Police have been careful to avoid publicly declaring a prime motive, but yesterday said they were considering a sexual motive.
ANALYSIS: Given that 88 per cent of murder victims know their killer, police are focusing a significant part of their investigation into the background of anyone who was acquainted with Joanna. Other credible theories include the possibility that she may have been followed to her flat by a random stalker or killed by a man whose romantic advances were spurned, possibly during her drinking session after work
that evening.



"Given that 88 per cent of murder victims know their killer" (murderers)

How about wars, Do they know their murderers (not killers)

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After sentence was passed, Louise's parents, Gillian and Robert, called for the return of the death penalty.

Mr Smith said: "People who are opposed to the death penalty should have seen our household over the last two years and the misery that David Frost has caused."



I do know that in this case he is said to have admitted it. But
what if evidence is planted, also DNA is not infallible. Would his plea of changed if they under their so called laws had the death penalty.
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Kidnapped' woman freed by armed police in Bristol

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-12147552

WTF is going on in Bristol??

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Was joanna playing the field while boyfriend away for the weekend? Despite what her mother says


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Jo’s mother Teresa Yeates, 58, has spoken of her daughter’s loyalty to Greg, who she had been dating for two years. She said: “Jo always played things straight. She never had two boyfriends at the same time. She had a moral conscience.

Jo’s dad David, 62, added: “They were so much in love.

“She met Greg at the architect practice, and after a couple of months they became girlfriend and boyfriend. He was the first boyfriend she had lived with.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/01/11/did-jo-yeates-spur n-killer-s-advances-115875-22840287/#ixzz1AkPck0JH


And yet while the boyfriend she is so much in love with is away for the weekend she buys a pizza and a couple of bottles of cider and invites another boyfriend around-- yes of course it could just be a platonic relationship but maybe i am old fashioned.


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Last night the agonised pal sent a final text by Jo spoke of his fears that she may have been killed before she got his reply. Matt Wood, 28, got her drinks invite at 8.20pm. But he was at a party and sent his message at 9.20pm.

He said: “It’s horrifying to think she might have been dead when I texted her.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/01/10/its-elaborate-32-c amera-network-costs-a-small-fortune-to-run-115875-22838073/#ixzz1AkQj3 8Uh


obviously rumour going around she had a secret lover


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Top Stories Joanna Yeates murder: Architect didn’t have a secret lover, says best pal (well it wouldnt be secret if you knew)
by Krissy Storrar, Daily Mirror 13/01/2011


The best pal of murdered Jo Yeates yesterday made a heartfelt plea to catch her killer.

Rebecca Scott, 25, choked back tears as she spoke of her "beautiful" friend found strangled in Bristol.

She denied Jo had a secret lover and said: "I beg anyone with information to please come forward


www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/01/13/joanna-yeates-murder-arch itect-didn-t-have-a-secret-lover-says-best-pal-115875-22845044/#ixzz1A wbXjXWu

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Are they pushing for the DNA testing.? No early reports of DNA having been found then the suggestion to DNA test all Bristol men (including TG), then reports of saliva traces found on the body

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A sample of saliva reportedly found on the body of murdered Joanna Yeates, right, could be the breakthrough police have been waiting for, a forensics expert has told the Evening Post.

The sample is said to have been found by forensic scientists who have been meticulously swabbing her body for clues that they hope will help catch her killer.


www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/DNA-trace-help-bring-Jo-s-killer-justice/ article-3096665-detail/article.html


Maybe the missing sock was removed from the corpse by some wildlife looking for warm stuff to line a nest or den. Ive just watched a hamster destroy a blanket in a couple of days to line its nest.

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I got this by email

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Back in 1999 a young girl named Vicky Hall was murdered. She went missing in Felixstowe on 19th Sep and her body was found 5 days later in a ditch in Creeting St Peter.

Points to note:
- Vicky's body was missing during the Autumn equinox which corresponded to a full moon on the 23rd Sep.
- The police search was unelievable, I'd not seen activity like it before.
- Her killer was never found.
- She was not sexually assaulted and cause of death was inconclusive but 'probably' suffication

After this incident I kept a close eye on similar 'murders' and noted that there were quite a lot of murders that would occur around the country where someone goes missing before a new or full moon (and or solstices) and later found dead.

I guess when one accepts the way in which these dark organistions feel depraved enough to use sacrifice as a means doing business with the forces of nature, it is not mystery really.

It's been a while since we have had similar episodes such as the JY one. I do get very cynical and tend to believe that all media hype is a cover for organised ritual sacrifice. I don't have any evidence about other murders but if you are interested have a look a murders invloving 10-30 year olds in similar circumstances 1995-2005 and see what comes up.

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Could 18-30 year old still be termed as 'children' in some respect? This rather echos Dean Warwicks words in his interview with Dave Starbuck.(He states 10 to 23 as a full range) Some of the intervew stuck me as being a bit far fetched, but may well be fact.

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His comments start at 27.30 regarding missing children.
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Jo Yeates' parents appeal to 'armchair detectives' to find her killer a month on

"Many of us are 'armchair detectives', but if this activity triggers anything please come forward."

http://www.cliftonpeople.co.uk/groups/joanna-yeates/Jo-Yeates-parents- appeal-armchair-detectives/story-10562196-detail/story.html

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Not sure if this is bad reporting or I had my earlier facts muddled but I thought Joanna went to bargain Booze after Tesco. I did query if you could see the pizza in the bargain Booze cctv.

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Joanna Yeates did not eat the pizza she was seen buying on her way home just before she went missing, police have confirmed.

Avon and Somerset Police said tests on Miss Yeates' body concluded she had not eaten the mozzarella, tomato and pesto pizza before she was found dead on Christmas Day three miles from her flat.

Detectives said Miss Yeates had made it home to her flat in Canynge Road, Clifton because her shoes, coat, mobile phone, purse and keys were found there - although the pizza, the wrapping and its box are still missing.

The final steps of the 25-year-old have been reconstructed for BBC's Crimewatch in a bid to catch her killer.

The landscape architect's journey started after leaving BDP where she worked.

She went to the Bristol Ram pub on Park Street in Bristol City centre, where she had Christmas drinks with work colleagues.

Miss Yeates spent around two hours socialising with her friends before leaving at around 8pm to make the 30 minute walk home to the ground floor flat in Canynge Road, Clifton, that she shared with her boyfriend Greg Reardon, 27.

She was seen on CCTV in a Waitrose supermarket at the Clifton Triangle and then went to a Tesco Express in Clifton village where she bought the pizza.

During the filming of the reconstruction the actress playing Miss Yeates entered the Tesco Express on Regent Street in Clifton village.

She was wearing the same cream-coloured coat as Miss Yeates was wearing on the night she disappeared.

She also had a black rucksack and was carrying two plastic bags - including a white bag, which held the bottles of cider she bought previously at Bargain Booze, and a black bag of which the contents have not been revealed, but which police say are not significant.



Inside the store the actress was filmed picking up the Tesco Finest mozzarella, tomato and basil pesto pizza and taking it to the till.

The pizza was paid for at a self-service till with a ?10 note.

After receiving her change, the actress was finally seen leaving the store and heading up Regent Street towards Miss Yeates's home.

.......

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http://web.orange.co.uk/article/news/jo_s_parents_in_plea_to_find_kill er?sid=5737140f24c6


Also cctv footage of Jo at Waitrose not been released?

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So why did it take Avon & Somerset detectives a month and well over a million pounds of public money to arrest the most obvious suspect. Jo's next door neighbour? They better be right.
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(UKPA) – 22:10 - Saturday 22nd January 2011
A 32-year-old man has been charged with the murder of landscape architect Joanna Yeates, police said.
Vincent Tabak will face Bristol Magistrates' Court on Monday accused of killing the 25-year-old.
Detective Chief Inspector Phil Jones, who led the inquiry, said: "This evening we have charged Vincent Tabak with the murder of Joanna Yeates.
"I would like to pay tribute to Jo's family and Greg for their assistance and dignity in the most difficult of circumstances. Their support to us has been invaluable.
"I would also like to thank the general public for their help and the information they continue to provide to the investigation, and the residents of Canynge Road for their co-operation and patience."
Dutch engineer Tabak, who lived next door to Miss Yeates at 44 Canynge Road, Clifton, Bristol, was arrested on Thursday.
Specialist search teams have been examining Tabak's flat, which he shares with his girlfriend, Tanja Morson, an analyst for Dyson, in Malmesbury, Wiltshire.
Miss Yeates shared her rented home with her boyfriend, Greg Reardon, 27.
Tabak, a trilingual engineer, is an expert in the flow of people through buildings, including sports venues.
Tabak's arrest was the second to be made by detectives since Miss Yeates's frozen body was found dumped in a lane on the outskirts of Bristol on Christmas Day. Her landlord, Chris Jefferies, 66, was arrested on December 30 and questioned for three days on suspicion of murder before being released on bail.

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So why did it take Avon & Somerset detectives a month and well over a million pounds of public money to arrest the most obvious suspect. Jo's next door neighbour? They better be right.
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(UKPA) – 22:10 - Saturday 22nd January 2011
A 32-year-old man has been charged with the murder of landscape architect Joanna Yeates, police said.
Vincent Tabak will face Bristol Magistrates' Court on Monday accused of killing the 25-year-old.
Detective Chief Inspector Phil Jones, who led the inquiry, said: "This evening we have charged Vincent Tabak with the murder of Joanna Yeates.
"I would like to pay tribute to Jo's family and Greg for their assistance and dignity in the most difficult of circumstances. Their support to us has been invaluable.
"I would also like to thank the general public for their help and the information they continue to provide to the investigation, and the residents of Canynge Road for their co-operation and patience."
Dutch engineer Tabak, who lived next door to Miss Yeates at 44 Canynge Road, Clifton, Bristol, was arrested on Thursday.
Specialist search teams have been examining Tabak's flat, which he shares with his girlfriend, Tanja Morson, an analyst for Dyson, in Malmesbury, Wiltshire.
Miss Yeates shared her rented home with her boyfriend, Greg Reardon, 27.
Tabak, a trilingual engineer, is an expert in the flow of people through buildings, including sports venues.
Tabak's arrest was the second to be made by detectives since Miss Yeates's frozen body was found dumped in a lane on the outskirts of Bristol on Christmas Day. Her landlord, Chris Jefferies, 66, was arrested on December 30 and questioned for three days on suspicion of murder before being released on bail.


Is there some reason why the neighbour or landlord should even be the most obvious suspect?

Lets play devils advocate. After 3 days of questioning and running out of time the police realised the poor sod had no credible alibi that would stand up in court and that given the pressure they had been under it needed the case wrapping up. So the sock and pizza suddenly were found in the dutchmans wheelie bin-- and following waterboarding he confessed to the murder--case solved!

Wonder what evidence they had for arresting the Landlord as that proved flimsy- maybe they are using the same piece of evidence to stick on the Dutchman . One report suggested there were 3 different DNA traces on her body (body or clothing?) Christmas kisses at the Ram?



Maybe I dont want to think its the Dutchman because without a known motive we see a fairly ordinary guy with purpose and a career,and a girlfriend. At 32 the mid life crisis hasnt kicked in. Somehow it seems more comforting to think the murderer was some mentally unstable deadbeat from a broken home or at least some mad demon controlled satanist. (well he had been to Stonhenge with his girlfriend according to one photo--- a closet druid ?)

And we dont get to find the evidence till court?

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It could be as simple as...they were having an affair, she was threatening to end it/tell everyone, they argued, he strangled her. Maybe...

Judging by the lack of evidence of any kind of attack on Jo (apart from the obvious...) I would lean more towards the two of them already being sexually involved rather than her attacker's motive being sexual.

However...if the pizza and/or sock appear at all now then IMO the whole thing is bogus. The media are already playing the game by making everyone think it was Tabak without even being able to reveal why the police even arrested him. Once they pin the sock on him, if they do, that will be enough for the mob nation to go 'see, I told you it was him!' and so it's end of story...
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Looking into the shallow depths of my own mind and wondering about the psychology of the police/media unveiling of events, I see I would have put my house on it not being Jeffries the landlord probably based on the honest (not media hyped) limited info we had about the guy which character wise just showed him as some fairly harmless slightly eccentric guy who you could have spent an amusing evening with over a glass of wine.
However, now the innocent till proven guilty dutchman with an equally inoffensive and innocent CV who on paper i would equally put as innocent now arouses suspicions as I dont believe lightning can strike the same place twice with the police screwing up twice. But then that is maybe the same mental state that the investigating police are under as well.

The "fresh" evidence thing intrigues me -- maybe his girlfriend is somewhere linked in.

I remember at the time of the Soham murders and Huntleys arrest something didnt sit happy and then when the lead detective? was found with pedophile photos on his computer it certainly caused confusion.

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