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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 3:23 pm    Post subject: Secret Saudi role in 9/11 to be declassified? Reply with quote

White House Considers Declassifying 28 Pages on Alleged Saudi Government Role in 9/11
https://news.vice.com/article/white-house-considers-declassifying-28-p ages-on-alleged-saudi-government-role-in-911
By Samuel Oakford

February 6, 2015 | 10:00 pm
Fourteen years after 9/11, the White House says it is finally considering making public 28 controversially redacted pages of a congressional investigation into the terrorist attacks that are said to detail damning evidence of Saudi government support for al Qaeda.

The Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001 was issued in December 2002. Many portions, including the entirety of a 28-page section titled "Finding, Discussions and Narrative Regarding Certain Sensitive National Security Matters," were redacted by the Bush administration on national security grounds.

Current and former members of Congress who have reviewed the classified pages say that they point to Saudi involvement in the attacks. What those ties where, and who precisely is referred to in the pages, however, remains unclear.

In December 2013, House Representatives Walter Jones (R-NC) and Stephen Lynch (D-MA), introduced a resolution urging President Barack Obama to declassify them. Despite that resolution, which was reintroduced this year, as well as claims from family members of victims that Obama had privately promised to unredact the material, they remain secret.

US secrecy slammed after new claims that Saudi royals supported al Qaeda. Read more here.

Their effort, however, was given new momentum this week after the surprise release of testimony from an al Qaeda operative who described high-level support for the terror group from the Saudi royal family. The deposition of French-born Zacarias Moussaoui, jailed in federal prison on terrorism charges, was introduced as part of a lawsuit brought by relatives of 9/11 victims against the Saudi government.

In October, Moussaoui told lawyers for the plaintiffs that in the late 1990s he was charged with keeping a list of donors to al Qaeda. On it, he said, were the names of then Saudi intelligence chief Prince Turki al-Faisal and the longtime Saudi ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar Bin Sultan. Moussaoui alleges that he encountered other high-level officials on several occasions, including Saudi Arabia's current King Salman, who was a prince at the time. While based in Afghanistan, Moussaoui said he met with an official from Bandar's office in Washington. Together, the two allegedly planed to bring down Air Force One with a stinger missile.

Though Moussaoui is seen as a wily and possible unstable witness with dubious credibility, his story, which was first reported in the New York Times, has put greater pressure on the White House, which acknowledged on Thursday that it was considering publishing the pages.

"The administration, in response to a specific congressional request, last year asked the intelligence community to conduct a classification review of that material," White House spokesperson Joshua Earnest told reporters.

He said that the review, which will determine "whether or not it's appropriate to release" the material, is ongoing.

House Representative Thomas Massie, a co-sponsor of the latest House resolution, told VICE News that both Moussaoui's testimony and the news that the White House is addressing the matter should encourage other members to read the 28 pages.

"More than ever, I think those pages should be released," Massie said.

Campaign mounts to declassify 9/11 report's references to alleged Saudi involvement. Read more here.

Massie noted that despite the recent revelations, many members of Congress haven't seen the entire report, which can only be accessed in a secure room guarded by FBI agents.

"Frankly, I'm disappointed that most of my colleagues still haven't taken the time to read the 28 pages," he said. "In spite of their blind spot, they still speak with confidence regarding the causes and enablers of Islamic terrorism."

Prince Bandar visited President George W. Bush at the White House two days after the 9/11 attacks. The two men smoked cigars on a balcony and chatted with Vice President Dick Cheney and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice. The closeness of Bandar to the Bush family — he was at times referred to as "Bandar Bush" — lead some to assume that the administration had redacted the pages to avoid embarrassing one of America's closest allies in the Middle East.

Intelligence experts contend that by not releasing the redacted pages, victims' families and the American public as a whole are left only with the words of Moussaoui, a man who is alleged to have been the failed 20th 9/11 hijacker, and who was determined to be mentally unstable by a psychologist at his trial.

Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists' Government Secrecy Project, told VICE News that he thinks keeping the pages secret has overtime imbued them with a significance perhaps greater than their contents warrant.

"I think there's a temptation to fetishize documents and to imagine that if someone wants to withhold these pages they must be incredibly valuable, and that's not necessarily true," Aftergood told VICE News.

He pointed out that Saudi Arabia's record of globally supporting the extreme and austere form of Islam known as Wahhabism — a strand favored by Osama bin Laden and other members of al Qaeda — is already well known. Nevertheless, he said, "they should have been declassified ten years ago, and they certainly should be declassified now."

The Saudi government has always denied accusations that it had any involvement in the attacks. As allegations about the contents of the pages circulated, the royal family requested that they be made public, but the Bush administration insisted on keeping them secret. In the decade since, however, a picture has emerged of what the pages contain.

Last year, former Senator Bob Graham (D-FL) told VICE News that they detailed a financial trail leading up to the attacks. Their secret status, he said, amounted to a "cover-up."

Graham was more forthcoming in a 2012 affidavit given in the 9/11 relatives' lawsuit against the Saudi government.

"I am convinced that there was a direct line between at least some of the terrorists who carried out the September 11 attacks and the government of Saudi Arabia," he told the court.

Rep. Jones has said that releasing the material would not, as the Bush administration contended, endanger national security.

"If it steps on somebody's toes, then I'm sorry," he told VICE News last year.

Follow Samuel Oakford on Twitter: @samueloakford
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has been clear to me from the outset that this 'Saudi Role' is a 'Red Herring'. Most of the so-called 'highjackers' have been shown to be still alive (for instance, see video 'Zero' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XRMrMdn0NQ ). Most of them were granted ridiculous visas by US Embassy in Saudi, and when someone spoke up, they were told to 'shut up'.
The real problem has always been Russia and other Intelligence Agencies around the world, who had evidence of the REAL culprits.
And now, thanks to NWO belligerence and warlike provocations against Russia, the Genie is out of the bottle:
Pravda: Putin Threatens to Release Satellite Evidence of 9/11:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/02/10/pravda-putin-threatens-to-rele ase-satellite-evidence-of-911/

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tend to agree with you about the red herring. IMO Its most likely that the redacted pages could just affect certain business interests rather than pointing the finger at 9/11 complicity.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congress is pressing to release the infamous 28 missing pages of the Senate Investigation into 911 attacks, implicating a U.S. black flag operation.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/lawmakers-push-for-obama-to-bre ak-seal-on-9-11-pages/ar-BBhEebt

Additional documents which must be released to clarify hidden finance connections to Saudi funding of 911 include: Moussaoui laptop database of Saudi Funders of Al Qaeda/ISIS; Swiss Bank testimony delivered to Congress (Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, Chairman Carl Levin D-MI) by Brad Birkenfeld, Union Bank of Switzerland whistleblower and intelligence source to 2LT Scott Bennett, U.S. Army Special Operations, Terrorist Finance Analyst; 2LT Bennett military whistleblowing report to U.S. Civil Affairs-Psychological Operations Command and Congress concerning Swiss Bank-Terrorist finance cover up by CIA-NSA and Edward Snowden revelations about CIA targeting Birkenfeld in Geneva, Switzerland; and finally the release of the intelligence (computers, databases, Swiss Bank accounts, donor lists, etc.) allegedly obtained by Navy SEALS in their assasignation of Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan, and taken by CIA. Only by combining all of these reports will the information be obtained which exposes the most salient issues, problems, contradictions, and cover-ups of the 911 attacks upon the Pentagon and World Trade Center, and the Solomon Building (building 7). Combined, all of these materials will expose the financial proof of a false flag operation engineered by traitors in the U.S. Congress, military, and intelligence apparatus, as well as within foreign nations who participated in the event.

Without the release of these other essential whistleblowing reports and financial intelligence materials, the 28 pages is only going to be used as a "gun against the head of the new Saudi government" to exert pressure to support US foreign policy, NATO/UN corruptions, and U.S. warmongering ambitions against Russia (Ukraine) .

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'allegedly obtained by Navy SEALS in their assasignation of Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan, and taken by CIA' - as we're generally sure OBL was not 'killed' in Pakistan 'Seal raid', makes you wonder what the Yanks are trying to pull with this stuff...
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NY POST: HOW THE FBI IS WHITEWASHING THE SAUDI CONNECTION TO 9/11
Published: April 13, 2015
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Just 15 days before the 9/11 attacks, a well-connected Saudi family suddenly abandoned their luxury home in Sarasota, Fla., leaving behind jewelry, clothes, opulent furniture, a driveway full of cars — including a brand new Chrysler PT Cruiser — and even a refrigerator full of food.

About the only thing not left behind was a forwarding address. The occupants simply vanished without notifying their neighbors, realtor or even mail carrier.

The 3,300-square-foot home on Escondito Circle belonged to Esam Ghazzawi, a Saudi adviser to the nephew of then-King Fahd. But at the time, it was occupied by his daughter and son-in-law, who beat a hasty retreat back to Saudi Arabia just two weeks before the attacks after nearly a six-year stay here.

Neighbors took note of the troubling coincidence and called the FBI, which opened an investigation that led to the startling discovery that at least one “family member” trained at the same flight school as some of the 9/11 hijackers in nearby Venice, Fla.

The investigation into the prominent Saudi family’s ties to the hijackers started on Sept. 19, 2001, and remained active for several years. It was led by the FBI’s Tampa field office but also involved the bureau’s field offices in New York and Washington, and also the Southwest Florida Domestic Security Task Force.

Agents identified persons of interest in the case, establishing their ties to other terrorists, sympathies with Osama bin Laden and anti-American remarks. They looked into their bank accounts, colleges and places of employment. They tracked at least one suspect’s re-entry into the US.

The Saudi-9/11 connection in Florida was no small part of the overall 9/11 investigation. Yet it was never shared with Congress. Nor was it mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gee, another 'Red Herring'! Trained at the same flight school, 'anti-American', 'pro-OBL'! Bit like our vodka-drinking, cocaine-snorting 'Muslim Martyrs'! Don't look at us Neo-Cons, folks, look over there - disappearing into the sunset, on their camels! Those darned Saudis, never did trust 'em!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, no it isn't quite yet
28 pages redacted
Nearly though
Potentially explosive this!


CIA Report Says No Evidence Saudi Arabia 'Willingly Supported' al Qaeda Leading up to 9/11
By Jason Leopold and Samuel Oakford
https://news.vice.com/article/cia-report-says-no-evidence-saudi-arabia -willingly-supported-al-qaeda-leading-up-to-911

June 13, 2015 | 1:40 am
A newly declassified CIA watchdog report that probed the agency's intelligence failures leading up to the 9/11 attacks reveals that investigators on the CIA's 9/11 review team "encountered no evidence" that the government of Saudi Arabia "knowingly and willingly supported" al Qaeda terrorists.

Moreover, the June 2005 CIA Inspector General report's, released Friday, said the Senate Intelligence Committee's Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities before and after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 "'had made no final determinations as to the reliability or sufficiency' regarding Saudi issues raised by its inquiry." (A separate report released in 2004 by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, commonly known as the 9/11 Commission, found no evidence that the government of Saudi Arabia or Saudi officials individually provided funding to al-Qaeda.)

CIA inspector general John Helgerson launched the internal review in response to a request from the Joint Inquiry and "focused exclusively on the issues identified" by panel. The CIA's 9/11 review team reached the "same overall conclusions on most of the important issues" identified by the Joint Inquiry, the watchdog's report says.

The conclusions related to Saudi Arabia in the unredacted portion of the report, and the reference to the Joint Inquiry's own finding, appears to contrast with longstanding claims of Saudi involvement in the 9/11 attacks. Suspicions about Saudi Arabia's role have centered on a 28-page section of the Joint Inquiry, which was ordered classified by President George W. Bush prior to its public release in 2002. For years, victims' families, members of Congress, and former Senator Bob Graham, the co-chair of the inquiry, have called for the release of the pages, which are said to refer to FBI investigations into the attacks. Those investigations, according to individuals who have seen the pages, highlight elements of the financing that went into the orchestration of the attacks.

On June 1, Senator Rand Paul introduced a bill in the Senate that would require President Obama to declassify the 28 pages.

The 30-page section on Saudi Arabia in the CIA inspector general's report, which includes discussions about "implications," and "accountability," is completely redacted with the exception of three paragraphs. Still, the information left intact appears to be the first new details to surface in more than a decade about Saudi Arabia's support for al Qaeda and connection to the 9/11 attacks. The release of the report comes on the heels of a renewed pressure from US lawmakers to get the Obama administration to declassify the infamous the 28 pages from the Joint Inquiry that many believe will resolve lingering questions about the Saudi connection to al Qaeda. Fifteen of the 19 hijackers in the 9/11 attacks were from Saudi Arabia.

Helgerson, in a subhead of the 466 page report titled "Assessment of the finding," which is an analysis of the Joint Inquiry's finding on "issues related to Saudi Arabia," noted that much of the investigative material related to the Joint Inquiry's finding as to whether the government of Saudi Arabia funded al Qaeda before 9/11 is in possession of the FBI, and the inspector general's staff could not gain access to it.

Related: The CIA Just Released Declassified Documents Related to the 9/11 Attacks

"Many of the points of this finding relate to the FBI's investigative efforts on the Saudi intelligence presence in the United States and of Saudi officials' contacts with terrorists in the country, and, as such, the [CIA's] Office of Inspector General (OIG) 9/11 Review Team defers consideration of these to the Department of Justice and FBI," the declassified inspector general's report says. "The Team lacks access to the fill range of investigative materials in FBI possession and is therefor unable to either concur or dissent on those points."

Graham has publicly said he believes the FBI is covering up Saudi links to the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

In a 2012 affidavit filed as part of a lawsuit brought by victims' families against the Saudi government, Graham said, "I am convinced that there was a direct line between at least some of the terrorists who carried out the September 11 attacks and the government of Saudi Arabia."

"Follow the money," Graham told VICE News last year, when he repeated his call for the 28 pages to be declassified. "That will illuminate the other significant aspects of 9/11."

VICE News reached out to Graham for comment on Friday, but did not receive a response by the time of publication.

CIA spokesman Dean Boyd declined to comment about whether the redacted portions of the inspector general report relates to the 28 pages.

"The redacted portions of the 2005 OIG report remain properly classified," Boyd told VICE News. "As a general matter, we do not comment on redacted portions of reports."

In the years before the 9/11 attacks, the CIA had received sporadic reports of possible Saudi support for al Qaeda, but the agency had not been able to corroborate the intelligence.

A 1999 CIA intelligence report on Osama bin Laden's finances cited in the inspector general's report said "limited" reporting suggested that "a few Saudi Government officials may support" Bin Laden," but added that the intelligence reporting was "too sparse to determine with any accuracy" if such support occurred.

Years later, "individuals in both [the CIA's] Near East Division and Counterterrorist Center [redacted] told the [CIA's 9/11 review team] they had not seen any reliable reporting confirming Saudi Government involvement with and financial support for terrorism prior to 9/11, athough a few also speculated that dissident sympathizers within the government may have aided al-Qai'da," the report said.

The Joint Inquiry's report into intelligence failures leading up to the attacks said "it was clear from about 1996," according to a US government official, "that the Saudi Government would not cooperate with the United States on matters relating to Usama Bin Ladin."

The inspector general's report said the CIA's counterterrorism center established "a virtual station" that year — "UBL Station — to "target Islamic terrorist financier Usama Bin Ladin."

Related: White House Considers Declassifying 28 Pages on Alleged Saudi Government Role in 9/11

Last October, French-born al Qaeda operative Zacarias Moussaoui, the suspected 20th 9/11 hijacker, made an explosive claim. He told lawyers for families of 9/11 victims suing the Saudi government that he had met with high-ranking members of the royal family who financed al Qaeda in the 1990s, including Saudi Arabia's then intelligence chief Prince Turki al-Faisal, as well as longtime ambassador to the US Prince Bandar Bin Sulan, and Prince Salman, who became king earlier this year. Speaking to the families' lawyers at the Federal Supermax Prison in Colorado, Moussaoui said that while in Afghanistan, he met with an official from the Saudi Embassy in Washington, DC. The two, said Moussaoui, discussed, among other things, "the feasibility of shooting down Air Force One."

While experts said some parts of Moussaoui's account sounded farfetched, Saudi — and American — support for the mujahideen that fought the Soviets in Afghanistan and morphed into al Qaeda is well known. It is widely believed that the Saudi government for years paid off Saudi-born bin Laden and al Qaeda to prevent attacks on its own soil.

The Saudi government, in a statement released through its embassy in Washington, DC last February, said Moussaoui is a "deranged criminal" whose goal is to "undermine Saudi-U.S. relations."

"There is no evidence to support Zacarias Moussaoui's claim. The September 11 attack has been the most intensely investigated crime in history and the findings show no involvement by the Saudi government or Saudi officials. As confirmed by the 9/11 Commission, there is 'no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded the organization [al Qaeda].'"


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:04 pm    Post subject: Bill to Force Release of 28 Redacted 9/11 Commission Pages Reply with quote

Rand Paul leads bipartisan effort to declassify 28 pages of 9/11 Report.
New bill aims to make public classified pages widely believed to detail ties between Saudi Arabian funders and Al Qaida and 'establish chain of liabllity' for 9/11 attacks.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/02/rand-paul-urges-obama-t o-declassify-28-pages-of-the-911-report

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More 'Red Herrings'. At least, they could pickle them before distribution. Mouth-watering thought!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:40 pm    Post subject: Saudi Links to 9/11 - Not straight Forward Reply with quote

Re: "Red Herrings"
In the days/months/ ealry years lttle was said by the mainstream media about Saudi links except minor paragraphs buried on inside pages of the paper.
Why the interest now? we ask. Political and Economic Reasons: it may be politically expedient to ensure most of the media focus is on Saudi involvement as an attempt to turn attention away from possible involvement of the US intelligence agencies and people in the Bush administration and their policy advisers.
Another factor could be that the US no longer feels as dependent on Saudi oil to meet US energy demands as it did before, so the US can risk annoying their long term ally, Saudi Arabia.
Of course we can note that other countries possible involvement with the 9/11 attacks are sidelined by focussing on Saudia Arabia such as intelligence agencies of Israel (Mossad) and Pakistans ISI re: Atta receiving money from Pakistani ISI chief. Other facts that those focussing on Saudi involvement are: the evidence of explosives in the Towers, the strange collapse of WTC7 and NIST's refusal to explain how it reached its findings based on secret computer simulations, etc etc .
However, even as a "red herring" we still need to uncover the facts of the Saudi links but at the same time, analysing and contextualising these facts, and not to ignore other facts as a consequence.

for instance: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-alleged-involvement-of-saudi-arabia-i n-911-bob-graham-and-the-missing-28-pages-of-the-911-commission-report  /5448906

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Although Saudi complicity is in no way surprising, facts that are often overlooked suggest that Graham’s actions may not be entirely straightforward. Graham never calls for release of other documents collected by the government’s 9/11 investigators, most of which are still held secret. That includes the majority of 9/11 Commission documents, of which only a fraction have been released—with much of the content redacted. The release of Commission documents is hindered by claims that they are exempt from the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) because they are congressional records. Graham shows no interest in the many alarming facts about 9/11 that have been uncovered through released documents and videos. Some things that have been released via FOIA request are far more compelling than claims of Saudi financing. These include numerous testimonies to explosives being used to bring down the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings. After a lawsuit by 9/11 victims’ families, the oral histories of the New York City Fire Department (FDNY) were released in August 2005. At least 23% of those eyewitnesses gave testimony to explosions in the Twin Towers. About 60 FDNY members reported hearing warnings of the unpredictable “collapse” of WTC Building 7.
Much of the 9/11 Commission Report was based on torture testimony, the records of which were destroyed by the CIA. Since that time, the government has produced documents stating that the first alleged al Qaeda leader tortured for information was never related to al Qaeda in any way. This means that all of his torture testimony, upon which the 9/11 Commission Report was based, was false. Yet Graham and his supporters say nothing about it.

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