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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:53 am    Post subject: Hong Kong, massive peaceful democracy protests Reply with quote

What do people think - is this being orchestrated?

China Tells Foreign Countries Not To Meddle In Hong Kong

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/01/china-foreign-meddling-hong-k ong_n_5916014.html
WASHINGTON, Oct 1 (Reuters) - Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi responded on Wednesday to comments by the United States and others on pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong, saying foreign countries should not meddle in China's domestic affairs.
Wang, the most senior Chinese official to speak publicly about the protests, said Beijing had "very formally and clearly stated its position: Hong Kong affairs are China's internal affairs. All countries should respect China's sovereignty."
He was speaking at the U.S. State Department before talks with Secretary of State John Kerry, who repeated U.S. calls for Chinese authorities to show restraint toward the mass protests challenging the communist government.
Wang said no country, including the United States, would tolerate "illegal acts that violate public order." He added: "We believe that the Hong Kong special administrative region's government has the capability to properly handle the current situation in accordance with the law."
Kerry said: "We have high hopes that Hong Kong authorities will exercise restraint and respect protesters' right to express their views."
The protesters, mostly students, are demanding full democracy and have called on Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying to step down from the top office of the former British colony that reverted to Chinese rule in 1997. A month ago, Beijing ruled that it would vet candidates wishing to run for Hong Kong's leadership in 2017. Protesters are demanding that Beijing refrain from vetting candidates.
On Tuesday, U.S. officials said there should be greater autonomy for the people of Hong Kong in selecting candidates for chief executive.

"OPEN SOCIETY"
Kerry did not explicitly make that point on Wednesday in his public remarks, but said: "We believe an open society with the highest possible degree of autonomy, governed by the rule of law, is essential for Hong Kong's stability and prosperity."
Earlier, Wang met with Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and will also visit the White House. The State Department said he and Kerry would continue their talks later at a second, previously unscheduled meeting.
The Washington talks were arranged to prepare for President Barack Obama's visit to China in November for an Asia-Pacific summit but were overshadowed by the Hong Kong events
Other issues affecting the two major powers were also on the agenda in the talks between Wang and Kerry, as Obama presses his 'pivot' to refocus U.S. attention increasingly on Asia.
The United States has been carefully calibrating its response to the demonstrations, voicing support for non-violent protests while signaling it has little interest in seeing them escalate and risk a harsher crackdown by Chinese authorities.
Any U.S. response to the Hong Kong protests is a tricky balancing act, given Beijing's transformation into a global economic powerhouse and how interdependent the U.S. and Chinese economies have become since the Tiananmen crackdown in 1989.
Kerry said the United States welcomed China's rise and reiterated Washington's view that with greater clout Beijing should also be a responsible player in world affairs.
He referred to Chinese efforts to help tackle the spread of Ebola in West Africa. "We are appreciative for China's willingness to put both equipment and personnel on the line in order to help deal with this," Kerry said. "We view that in very positive terms with respect to China's important role in global leadership." (Editing by David Story and David Gregorio)

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, have had a look around. Personally I don't believe this 'NATO style regime change' take

US Now Admits it is Funding “Occupy Central” in Hong Kong
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-now-admits-it-is-funding-occupy-centra l-in-hong-kong/5405680
By Tony Cartalucci - Global Research, October 01, 2014
Just as the US admitted shortly after the so-called “Arab Spring” began spreading chaos across the Middle East that it had fully funded, trained, and equipped both mob leaders and heavily armed terrorists years in advance, it is now admitted that the US State Department through a myriad of organizations and NGOs is behind the so-called “Occupy Central” protests in Hong Kong.
The Washington Post would report in an article titled, “Hong Kong erupts even as China tightens screws on civil society,” ...

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Amid the heightened tensions, Lord Patten, the last British governor of Hong Kong, accused Beijing of breaching its commitments to Hongkongers, made before the territory was returned to China in 1997.

Lord Patten said Beijing was undermining the so-called “one country, two systems” agreement, which affords the people of Hong Kong a degree of autonomy and freedoms not enjoyed by those in mainland China. “[The Chinese] said these matters were within the autonomy of the Hong Kong government and they are now reneging on that,” he said, adding that there must now be “a new period of genuine consultation” over democratic reform.

Officials in Hong Kong tried to celebrate the 65th birthday of the People’s Republic of China. The first day of October, or National Day, marks the Communist Party’s creation of China in its current form and means a two-day holiday for Hongkongers, and usually an influx of mainland tourists to its shopping precincts.

Mr Leung said at a flag-raising ceremony: “We hope that all sectors of the community will work with the government in a peaceful, lawful, rational and pragmatic manner... and make a big step forward in our constitutional development.”

But the ceremony, at Bauhinia Square on Hong Kong Island’s waterfront and only a short walk from the protest’s epicentre, attracted demonstrators who booed Mr Leung, before turning their backs for his address.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/hong-kong-lord-patten-tel ls-beijing-they-are-reneging-on-twosystem-deal-9768205.html



The freedom of Hong Kong is in Britain's hands, and Cameron can only stay silent for so long

The freest market on earth is in clear and present danger
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-freedom-of-hong-kong-i s-in-britains-hands-and-cameron-can-only-stay-silent-for-so-long-97093 57.html?origin=internalSearch

After 17 years of hunger for democracy, the bureaucrats in Beijing yesterday agreed to ‘one person, one vote’ for the seven million former British subjects in Hong Kong.
That is, of course, if you overlook the small print. While all registered voters will enjoy the right to vote for their leader in 2017, all candidates will be screened by a 1200-strong ‘nomination committee’, which will allow at most two to three candidates to compete. Furthermore, as the official press release stated, the elected candidate must be ‘a person who loves the country and loves Hong Kong.’

In July, I criticised China’s assault on ‘One Country, Two Systems’ with its June White Paper, and suggested Britain has a moral responsibility for Hong Kong. Since then, the Deputy Prime Minister has promised to ‘mobilise the international community’ to hold China to account. Encouraging though it is, even this response now appears inadequate.

Human Rights Watch last week expressed its concern about Hong Kong citizens’ right to protest, as the police tighten its grip on the blossoming civil society. Still more alarmingly, People Liberation Army (PLA) armoured vehicles publically manoeuvred on busy streets, in stark contrast to the military’s conventional quiet existence. Attuned to the memory of the Tiananmen Square Massacre of 1989, China has long been cautious with its military presence in Hong Kong. This is therefore a significant chain of events that signals a policy amendment towards Hong Kong, the timing of which is both tantalising and threatening.

We would be mistaken if we consider this as ‘just another’ human rights issue where we agree to disagree with China. The orchestrated attack on Hong Kong’s autonomy is part of a package of what the Wall Street Journal called ‘Putinist politics’. The capital rich Communist Party is committed to its flirtation with Hong Kong’s oligarchs, whose loyalty is guaranteed via business opportunity. In fact, these cronies will sit on the ‘nomination committee’ that will reject any candidate who Beijing does not favour. The freest market on earth is in clear and present danger of being galvanised into China’s authoritarian system if the current trajectory of political affairs continues uninterrupted.

Given his supposedly pro-enterprise and pro-democracy stance, David Cameron should be Beijing’s most vocal critique. As Nick Clegg correctly pointed out, it was Margaret Thatcher who signed the Declaration and two other Tories – John Major and Chris Patten – who vowed to honour that pledge. In fact, there is something Conservative running in the blood of Hong Kongers: the emphasis on law and order, the obsession with small government, and the love of capitalism. That is why Hong Kong looked to Cameron with a hopeful heart, and became bitterly disappointed when he opted for salesmanship rather than statesmanship in his dealings with China.


With Islamist terrorist threat coming closer to home, and Vladimir Putin antagonising the West over Ukraine, the Prime Minister may be excused for temporarily drawing Hong Kong onto the periphery of his diary. But the inconvenient truth for Cameron is that he can only stay silent for so long. Unlike its democratic counterparts, Britain, as the co-signatory of the Joint Declaration, is legally bounded to express its views on Hong Kong’s democratic reforms. The Parliament at Westminster regularly publishes reports on the former colony’s democratic progress, and the Foreign Affairs Committee is currently in the process of gathering written evidence for an enquiry marking 30 anniversary of the Joint Declaration, which as Newsnight’s Laura Kuenssberg has learnt, Beijing has categorised as “interference in China’s internal affairs,” warning MPs to “bear in mind the larger picture of China-UK relations.”

There is no way the British government can approve of Beijing’s erroneous definition of democracy without appearing shamelessly hypocritical and in abandonment of the very values it holds dear.

With the Chinese military flexing its muscle on the one hand, and civil disobedience movements gathering momentum on the other, confrontation can only escalate in the coming months. The bureaucrats in Beijing will not be moved one iota by civilian casualties, as the world discovered in 1989. Hong Kong’s only chance for genuine democracy lies with the international community, which Britain must mobilise.

The freedom of Hong Kong is at Britain’s mercy. Let’s see if Britain will stand on the right side of history.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Triads accused of smashing into peaceful demo

Hong Kong police deny using triads to disrupt protests -
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/oct/04/hong-kong-police-de ny-triads-protests-video
Hong Kong's assistant police commissioner denies allegations that criminal gangs were called in to disrupt protests in the city. Thugs punched and kicked pro-democracy protesters on Friday night, drawing blood as they tore down their tents and attempted to force them out. Meanwhile, tensions remain high on Saturday between pro-government and Occupy groups

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@TonyG: 'Ok, have had a look around. Personally I don't believe this 'NATO style regime change' take' - why on earth not? I didn't see anything about 'NATO style regime change' in the article; it blamed the US State Department and NGO's, including National Endowment for Democracy (NED), and its subsidiary, the National Democratic Institute (NDI).

By Tony Cartalucci
'October 05, 2014 "ICH" - "Land Destroyer" - The slogans, leaders, and agenda of the "Occupy Central" movement are supposedly the manifestations of Hong Kong's desire for "total democracy," "universal suffrage," and "freedom." In reality, the leaders of "Occupy Central" are verified to be directly backed, funded, and directed by the US State Department, its National Endowment for Democracy (NED), and its subsidiary, the National Democratic Institute (NDI).

Despite admitting this overwhelming evidence, many "Occupy Central" supporters still insist the protests are genuine and now some propose that the "Occupy Central" leadership does not truly represent the people of Hong Kong. While the leadership of "Occupy Central" indeed in no way represent the people of Hong Kong, the fact still remains that the protest itself was prearranged at least as early as April 2014, revealed by "Occupy Central" co-organizers Martin Lee and Anson Chan before NED in Washington DC....'


This is the US 'Modus Operandi', from Chechnya, Georgia, 'Arab Spring', Venezuela, Cuba (that one failed), Ukraine and the US 'CANVAS' proxies in Serbia have been involved in over 50 countries, according to Wikipedia:
Centre for Applied Nonviolent Action and Strategies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_for_Applied_Nonviolent_Action_and_ Strategies

I don't know why these countries allow these trouble-making NGO's into their countries, or if they do, why they don't strictly control and monitor them.
Would the US or Britain allow Russian or Chinese NGO's into their countries, to foment street protests? I don't think so!


Many people think the 'Occupy' movement in London was very heavily infiltrated; I think they were right.

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