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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:39 pm    Post subject: Just how close is Moazzam Begg to MI5 & MI6? Reply with quote

Moazzam Begg was in contact with MI5 about his Syria visits, papers show
Defence case corroborated as documents revealed agency told Begg he could continue work for opposition in Syria ‘unhindered’
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/02/moazzam-begg-contact-mi5- agents-papers?CMP=twt_gu

Ian Cobain and Randeep Ramesh - The Guardian, Thursday 2 October 2014 20.58 BST

The terrorism case against former Guantánamo inmate Moazzam Begg collapsed after MI5 belatedly gave police and prosecutors a series of documents that detailed the agency’s extensive contacts with him before and after his trips to Syria, the Guardian has learned.

The documents included minutes of meetings that MI5 officers and lawyers held with Begg, at which he discussed his travel plans and explained he was assisting opposition fighters in their war against Bashar al-Assad’s regime.

On seeing the material, Crown prosecutors realised it corroborated Begg’s defence case: he insists he was always perfectly candid with MI5, and says the agency assured him no attempt would be made to hinder him if he wanted to return to Syria.

Begg’s lawyers had disclosed that the meetings had taken place earlier this year during a hearing in open court during which they made an unsuccessful attempt to secure Begg’s release on bail.

On Wednesday prosecutors told an Old Bailey judge they had “recently become aware of relevant material”, and would be offering no evidence against Begg.

The judge formally entered not guilty pleas on all seven of the terrorism charges that Begg was facing, and he was freed from Belmarsh high-security prison in south London a few hours later.

While Begg and his lawyers were not told anything about the contents of the previously secret material that secured his release, it is now clear that police and prosecution lawyers involved with the case are angry that the documents were disclosed to them after Begg had spent several months in prison on remand. A source with knowledge of the affair said they believed the material should have been handed over at the start of the investigation.

The Crown Prosecution Service says that had it possessed the material, Begg would not have been charged. Begg’s assets remain frozen, however, and he has no access to his bank account, as a result of an order issued by the Treasury after he had been charged with terrorism offences.

Similar orders have been imposed on Cage, the London-based pressure group through which Begg campaigned on behalf of terrorism suspects who have been denied legal rights.

Treasury sources indicated on Thursday that the order would not automatically be lifted as a result of his acquittal.

Begg, 46, spent Thursday with his family in Birmingham and consulting with his lawyers. Associates say he is considering whether to bring legal action against MI5. He has suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder as a result of his three-year incarceration without charge in Bagram Prison and Guantánamo after 9/11, during which time he was tortured. His time in Belmarsh is understood to have exacerbated this condition.

After the Syrian civil war broke out in March 2011, Begg made several trips to the country, most recently in December 2012.

While there he investigated reports of US and UK rendition operations and interviewed former prisoners of the Assad regime.

However, he maintains that during this time he had been in close contact with the intelligence services, keeping them abreast of his plans. The contacts began after he alleged in a blog on Cage’s website that during a trip to Syria in July 2012 he had uncovered MI5’s role in intercepting a phone call by a British Libyan dissident who lived in Syria. British spies were alleged to have then informed Assad’s secret police, which led to the man being rendered to Libya.

In a subsequent blog, Begg said a few months after he had made this allegation, he had been approached by an MI5 officer “who said they wanted to talk to me about my views on the situation in Syria”.

“I told them that they must be aware that I was investigating several leads regarding British and American complicity in rendition and torture in Syria. They called back after consulting with their lawyers and said they understood that and would still like to meet. I agreed to speak to them and meet at a hotel in East London. Both MI5 and me had our lawyers present.”

In the meeting Begg said MI5 were concerned about “the possibility of Britons in Syria being radicalised and returning to pose a potential threat to national security. I told them that Britain had nothing to worry about, especially since British foreign policy, at the time, seemed in favour of the rebels.”

Begg then says he was “assured by MI5” that he could return to Syria and continue his work “unhindered”. However a year later the situation in Syria – and the UK’s position – had become more complicated with Islamic fighters eclipsing the secular Free Syrian Army in the battle against Assad.

Begg’s passport was seized when he was stopped at Heathrow last December on returning from a trip to South Africa. “It was assessed my previous visits to Syria had constituted involvement in terrorism,” he wrote. “No explanation other than that was given.” Two months later he was arrested and charged with terrorism offences.

Amandla Thomas-Johnson, spokesperson for Cage, said: “Moazzam has been clear and transparent about his trip to Syria and the events surrounding it and even wrote about his meeting with MI5 months before he was arrested. It’s important we understand why this evidence came to light in the last couple of months. British security services have already played a part in his detention and torture. Has their late disclosure now led to him languishing unnecessarily in jail for months?”

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unlike most of you, I've actually met Moazzam Begg a number of times, the first when I was assisting campaigning for Craig Murray's election bid (which Moazzam also assisted) against Jack 'Man of Straw' Straw in Blackburn in 2005.
I believe Moazzam is a genuine man, NOT one who sells his soul to MI5/6, or any one else. Now Lord Patel (Muslim, though Patel is not a traditional Muslim name in my experience), IS someone who not only would, bud did, sell his soul. As the most prominent Muslim in Blackburn, he advised Muslims to vote for Straw. Well, that's how you become a Lord, wouldn't ya know!

Moazzam Begg:
http://www.cageuk.org/node/213

I also recommend Moazzam's book, 'Enemy Combatant'.

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Yes, met him too.
Impossible to say from that meeting.
Much more useful to look at the facts as revealed in court papers.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TonyGosling wrote:
Yes, met him too.
Impossible to say from that meeting.
Much more useful to look at the facts as revealed in court papers.


But what do the court papers state? That Moazzam Begg was in contact with MI5 about his trips to Syria to aid the opposition; a perfectly sensible thing to do, to protect him from terrorism charges. MI5's behaviour is par for the course; a totally disreputable bunch of ratbags, like their political 'Masters'.

Moazzam Begg's assistance to the Western-backed mercenary thugs is wrongheaded; how he doesn't realise that he is doing the West's and Israel's dirty work I cannot understand; he is a very intelligent guy.
He also got angry when I tried to engage him over 9/11 being an 'Inside Job'.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: Just how close is Moazzam Begg to MI5 & MI6? Reply with quote

TonyGosling wrote:
Moazzam Begg was in contact with MI5 about his Syria visits, papers show
Defence case corroborated as documents revealed agency told Begg he could continue work for opposition in Syria ‘unhindered’
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/02/moazzam-begg-contact-mi5- agents-papers?CMP=twt_gu

Ian Cobain and Randeep Ramesh - The Guardian, Thursday 2 October 2014 20.58 BST

The terrorism case against former Guantánamo inmate Moazzam Begg collapsed after MI5 belatedly gave police and prosecutors a series of documents that detailed the agency’s extensive contacts with him before and after his trips to Syria, the Guardian has learned.

The documents included minutes of meetings that MI5 officers and lawyers held with Begg, at which he discussed his travel plans and explained he was assisting opposition fighters in their war against Bashar al-Assad’s regime.

On seeing the material, Crown prosecutors realised it corroborated Begg’s defence case: he insists he was always perfectly candid with MI5, and says the agency assured him no attempt would be made to hinder him if he wanted to return to Syria.

Begg’s lawyers had disclosed that the meetings had taken place earlier this year during a hearing in open court during which they made an unsuccessful attempt to secure Begg’s release on bail.

On Wednesday prosecutors told an Old Bailey judge they had “recently become aware of relevant material”, and would be offering no evidence against Begg.

The judge formally entered not guilty pleas on all seven of the terrorism charges that Begg was facing, and he was freed from Belmarsh high-security prison in south London a few hours later.

While Begg and his lawyers were not told anything about the contents of the previously secret material that secured his release, it is now clear that police and prosecution lawyers involved with the case are angry that the documents were disclosed to them after Begg had spent several months in prison on remand. A source with knowledge of the affair said they believed the material should have been handed over at the start of the investigation.

The Crown Prosecution Service says that had it possessed the material, Begg would not have been charged. Begg’s assets remain frozen, however, and he has no access to his bank account, as a result of an order issued by the Treasury after he had been charged with terrorism offences.

Similar orders have been imposed on Cage, the London-based pressure group through which Begg campaigned on behalf of terrorism suspects who have been denied legal rights.

Treasury sources indicated on Thursday that the order would not automatically be lifted as a result of his acquittal.

Begg, 46, spent Thursday with his family in Birmingham and consulting with his lawyers. Associates say he is considering whether to bring legal action against MI5. He has suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder as a result of his three-year incarceration without charge in Bagram Prison and Guantánamo after 9/11, during which time he was tortured. His time in Belmarsh is understood to have exacerbated this condition.

After the Syrian civil war broke out in March 2011, Begg made several trips to the country, most recently in December 2012.

While there he investigated reports of US and UK rendition operations and interviewed former prisoners of the Assad regime.

However, he maintains that during this time he had been in close contact with the intelligence services, keeping them abreast of his plans. The contacts began after he alleged in a blog on Cage’s website that during a trip to Syria in July 2012 he had uncovered MI5’s role in intercepting a phone call by a British Libyan dissident who lived in Syria. British spies were alleged to have then informed Assad’s secret police, which led to the man being rendered to Libya.

In a subsequent blog, Begg said a few months after he had made this allegation, he had been approached by an MI5 officer “who said they wanted to talk to me about my views on the situation in Syria”.

“I told them that they must be aware that I was investigating several leads regarding British and American complicity in rendition and torture in Syria. They called back after consulting with their lawyers and said they understood that and would still like to meet. I agreed to speak to them and meet at a hotel in East London. Both MI5 and me had our lawyers present.”

In the meeting Begg said MI5 were concerned about “the possibility of Britons in Syria being radicalised and returning to pose a potential threat to national security. I told them that Britain had nothing to worry about, especially since British foreign policy, at the time, seemed in favour of the rebels.”

Begg then says he was “assured by MI5” that he could return to Syria and continue his work “unhindered”. However a year later the situation in Syria – and the UK’s position – had become more complicated with Islamic fighters eclipsing the secular Free Syrian Army in the battle against Assad.

Begg’s passport was seized when he was stopped at Heathrow last December on returning from a trip to South Africa. “It was assessed my previous visits to Syria had constituted involvement in terrorism,” he wrote. “No explanation other than that was given.” Two months later he was arrested and charged with terrorism offences.

Amandla Thomas-Johnson, spokesperson for Cage, said: “Moazzam has been clear and transparent about his trip to Syria and the events surrounding it and even wrote about his meeting with MI5 months before he was arrested. It’s important we understand why this evidence came to light in the last couple of months. British security services have already played a part in his detention and torture. Has their late disclosure now led to him languishing unnecessarily in jail for months?”



'Is there a plot to shut down CAGE?':
http://www.cageuk.org/article/there-plot-shut-down-cage

Looks like I was right! I'm generally a pretty good judge of people.

(Although the article was dated July 2014, it is obviously still going on, as I got an email today to same effect:

'CAGE has been a thorn in the side of powerful governments which have suspended due process and ignored the principles of the rule of law all in the name of the War on Terror. Torture, rendition, kidnap are words that have become common currency, but since 2003 CAGE has been vocal in documenting and exposing these illegal activities.
CAGE has been under sustained attack for more than a year now. There have been many attempts to silence CAGE but we will continue to advocate for due process for all. Our bank accounts and assets were frozen 12 months ago, yet we have continued to do the work that we do, but we need your assistance.

Please consider donating so we can continue to call for accountability and work to empower communities: https://www.igiveonline.com/campaigns/cage-is-banking-on-you/

For more info, please read:
http://www.cageuk.org/article/there-plot-shut-down-cage
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100279865/if-cage-has-br oken-the-law-let-it-be-prosecuted-this-reeks-of-the-police-state/#disq us_thread

Jazakum Allah Khair

http://www.islamictube.com/contacts-us/

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:57 am    Post subject: Isn't cage MI5? Reply with quote

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Please consider donating so we can continue to call for accountability and work to empower communities: https://www.igiveonline.com/campaigns/cage-is-banking-on-you/


Seems to me that CAGE has to have been set up by MI5 or infiltrated by MI5. They love controlling on both sides of the argument and CAGE is helping to do that.

CAGE doesn't say that it is MI5 that is recruiting and faking extremists. What it is doing is giving people a plausible cover story.

What NO ONE asks is how come we are getting so many UK extremists after the Prevent Programme and after MI5 announced, in 2007, that it was going to recruit 3,000 Asians?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We'll see. My money's on Cage, and Moazzam Begg, being just what they claim to be, helping the oppressed and wrongfully imprisoned Muslims.
That does NOT mean they are very smart!!! F'rinstance, they run a mile when 9/11 Truth is mentioned!!!

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