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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:29 am    Post subject: 7/7: Crime and Prejudice - new documentary by Tom Secker Reply with quote

7/7: Crime and Prejudice

7/7: Crime and Prejudice - YouTube

A brand new investigative and analytical documentary from the maker of 7/7: Seeds of Deconstruction. It explores the 7/7 cold case via new evidence from the recent inquests and discusses the war on terror in the context of numerous miscarriages of justice and acts of violence committed by the state.

The first section of the film examines the history of the British state's use of double agents, from the Victorian Anarchists through WW2 to the war in Northern Ireland. It concludes by examining contemporary cases of injustice and violence carried out as part of the war of terror against Muslims.

The second section of the film is a multi-dimensional study of the new evidence made available at the recent inquests. It looks at the evidence of a wider conspiracy and the fundamental flaws in the official narrative and the police investigation. It also discusses why the dialogue about 'intelligence failures' itself fails to address the very real possibility of state involvement in the attacks.

The final section of the film returns to the Anarchists and the case of Martial Bourdin, Britain's first suicide bomber, in 1894. The mythology surrounding Bourdin is used as a foundation for examining the numerous films, tv shows training exercises and real life events that either predicted 7/7 or were influenced by the attacks. The question of conspiracy theories is addressed through an original analysis unique to this film.

7/7 Crime and Prejudice combines a presentation of the cutting edge of July 7th research with a deeply contextual analysis that casts light on largely unexamined aspects of the war on terror.

For further information about 7/7 please visit the website of the July 7th Truth Campaign and their dedicated 7/7 Inquests blog:

http://julyseventh.co.uk/
http://77inquests.blogspot.com/

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another year goes by, another film about 7/7.

The film above was referred to by Gosling during one of his recent radio shows. You can listen to or download the show here:
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/09/484767.html

Not only does Gosling not mention who made the film, he never asked my permission to use a clip from it in his show.

But far more importantly, the clip was used as the basis for a largely inaccurate discussion about the WTC93 bombing.

Gosling's co-host claimed that it was an FBI plot from start to finish. This isn't true - the FBI informant among the group who carried out the bombing (Emad Salem) was sacked in August 1992, six months before the bombing took place. It is possible that Ramzi Yousef and Omar Abdel Rahman (the Blind Sheikh) were involved with the CIA, but the plot had nothing to do with the FBI, except in the sense that they failed to stop it from happening.

Gosling's co-host claimed that immediately after the bombing the FBI rounded up a bunch of people and said that they did it. This also isn't true. The FBI actually got very lucky as one of the conspirators was particularly dim, and went back to the rental agency of the truck used in the bombing. Investigators had found parts from the truck in the wreckage of the bombing and traced it back to the rental agency, where they arrested Mohammed Salameh. Rahman was not arrested until months later, and his trial was a separate affair (US vs Rahman et al and US vs Salameh et al). Yousef was not arrested until nearly two years later, in 1995. Yousef then extensively confessed to the FBI.

Gosling's co-host also called John Loftus the 'former Attorney General of the United States', which isn't true. Loftus is of course the man who claimed that Haroon Aswat worked for MI6. It may be important to note that only days after Loftus' interview regarding Aswat that Loftus used his slot on Fox to give out the address of a suspected terrorist, Iyad K. Hilal. The house was vandalised and people who lived there were threatened, but Hilal had moved away THREE YEARS earlier.

'straight talking and investigative reports' - what a load of balls.

In the future, Gosling, if you must refer to my work then you are to do the following:
1) Get my permission before explicitly using my work
2) Name me as the author of that work
3) Don't use my work in the context of a load of conspiratorial hogwash of half-truths and complete untruths.

The latter is particularly important. If you are actually a journalist, and a truth activist, then accuracy should be important to you...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmmmmmm
you write more like a webtroll than a serious journalist - pity

1 - I don't need your permission so why would I ask?
2 - Fine - wasn't sure if it was a pseudonym.
3 - The most important aspect of the discussion was in fact the point about MI5 trying to recruit the paintballer ... and fortunately I don't control or have responsibility for what other contributers say.
Yes some of what Martin said was wrong but the point of the piece was to encourage listeners to explore your film for themselves. Which it certainly did.

If you are to take yourself seriously recognise the good and the bad, not just the bad.
You remind me of the chap who wrote Zeitgeist who attacked anyone who gave him a negative review.
I wouldn't mind betting you have a similar deeply erroneous world view too.

Thanks for the corrections - but try next time not to load up your communications with so much baggage.

Vinciguerra wrote:
In the future, Gosling, if you must refer to my work then you are to do the following:
1) Get my permission before explicitly using my work
2) Name me as the author of that work
3) Don't use my work in the context of a load of conspiratorial hogwash of half-truths and complete untruths.


Here is Tom

Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql59RPRL4v0

and here is he and his mates' latest film about me

Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7ehGjjvlM4

here's the full version apparently
http://blip.tv/file/4505023
http://stagevu.com/video/appblkczynre
what a weird old bunch Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TonyGosling wrote:
mmmmmmm
you write more like a webtroll than a serious journalist - pity


I'm not a journalist, nor do I claim to be. You claim to be a journalist, yet you constantly make things up and misreport serious issues.

Quote:
1 - I don't need your permission so why would I ask?


Respect for the people whose work you use to promote your vague, conspiratorial hogwash.

Quote:
2 - Fine - wasn't sure if it was a pseudonym.


I've made two films and done numerous interviews under that name. If it was a pseudonym then it's clearly a widely accepted one. You didn't mention my name because, put simply, you've had issues with me since day one.

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3 - The most important aspect of the discussion was in fact the point about MI5 trying to recruit the paintballer ... and fortunately I don't control or have responsibility for what other contributers say.


You could correct it though, instead of going 'yep, yep, sounds like a big conspiracy which is what I like people to believe in, yep'. That's what someone motivated by the truth and accuracy in reporting would do.

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Yes some of what Martin said was wrong but the point of the piece was to encourage listeners to explore your film for themselves. Which it certainly did.


Certainly? I doubt it, since you chose one highly unrepresentative snippet, discussed it in the context of a load of nonsense, and didn't say where the film is available. But feel free to give yourself credit for something you had nothing to do with. After all, why break the habit?

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If you are to take yourself seriously recognise the good and the bad, not just the bad.


If there was anything good about your constant misreporting then I'd recognise it. But there isn't.

Quote:
You remind me of the chap who wrote Zeitgeist who attacked anyone who gave him a negative review.


Not anyone. Just you. And not because you gave me a negative review, but because you broke your own forum rules by attacking me personally and providing private information about me on your forum which you then refused for weeks to remove. You started this fight. I walked away from it a year ago, made a little video about it, then forgot about you as an insignificance. But you returned to my work, misrepresented it, stuck it in with a load of cobblers and failed to even name me as the maker of the film.

Honestly, Gosling, how do you expect someone to respond to such disrespectful behaviour?

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I wouldn't mind betting you have a similar deeply erroneous world view too.


Bet all you like. Unlike you I don't insist on inflicting every last opinion in my head on the people around me.

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Thanks for the corrections - but try next time not to load up your communications with so much baggage.


Ah, we're back to my psychological state. Because this couldn't have anything to do with principles, morality or truth. No, it must just be about some personal issue.

If you can't handle the message, attack the messenger.

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Vinciguerra wrote:
In the future, Gosling, if you must refer to my work then you are to do the following:
1) Get my permission before explicitly using my work
2) Name me as the author of that work
3) Don't use my work in the context of a load of conspiratorial hogwash of half-truths and complete untruths.


Here is Tom

Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql59RPRL4v0

and here is he and his mates' latest film about me

Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7ehGjjvlM4

here's the full version apparently
http://blip.tv/file/4505023
http://stagevu.com/video/appblkczynre
what a weird old bunch Rolling Eyes


Not my latest film - a little video I made a year or so ago. Didn't have anything to do with my 'friends' either - this is just more conspiratorial hogwash on your part. But don't let reality get in your way. You keep fighting the good fight, the fight where it doesn't matter if what you're saying is accurate, well-sourced or even plausible, it just matters that people think that what you're saying is true and identify you as part of a noble struggle.

Onward Christian soldier...
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Not my latest film - a little video I made a year or so ago


Well none of us agree on every thing, but since Vinciguerra, Tom Secker? Said quote above, he has no credibility now, if he ever had much, among genuine investigators.


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Vinciguerra wrote:
TonyGosling wrote:
mmmmmmm
you write more like a webtroll than a serious journalist - pity


I'm not a journalist, nor do I claim to be. You claim to be a journalist, yet you constantly make things up and misreport serious issues.

Quote:
1 - I don't need your permission so why would I ask?


Respect for the people whose work you use to promote your vague, conspiratorial hogwash.

Quote:
2 - Fine - wasn't sure if it was a pseudonym.


I've made two films and done numerous interviews under that name. If it was a pseudonym then it's clearly a widely accepted one. You didn't mention my name because, put simply, you've had issues with me since day one.

Quote:
3 - The most important aspect of the discussion was in fact the point about MI5 trying to recruit the paintballer ... and fortunately I don't control or have responsibility for what other contributers say.


You could correct it though, instead of going 'yep, yep, sounds like a big conspiracy which is what I like people to believe in, yep'. That's what someone motivated by the truth and accuracy in reporting would do.

Quote:
Yes some of what Martin said was wrong but the point of the piece was to encourage listeners to explore your film for themselves. Which it certainly did.


Certainly? I doubt it, since you chose one highly unrepresentative snippet, discussed it in the context of a load of nonsense, and didn't say where the film is available. But feel free to give yourself credit for something you had nothing to do with. After all, why break the habit?

Quote:
If you are to take yourself seriously recognise the good and the bad, not just the bad.


If there was anything good about your constant misreporting then I'd recognise it. But there isn't.

Quote:
You remind me of the chap who wrote Zeitgeist who attacked anyone who gave him a negative review.


Not anyone. Just you. And not because you gave me a negative review, but because you broke your own forum rules by attacking me personally and providing private information about me on your forum which you then refused for weeks to remove. You started this fight. I walked away from it a year ago, made a little video about it, then forgot about you as an insignificance. But you returned to my work, misrepresented it, stuck it in with a load of cobblers and failed to even name me as the maker of the film.

Honestly, Gosling, how do you expect someone to respond to such disrespectful behaviour?

Quote:
I wouldn't mind betting you have a similar deeply erroneous world view too.


Bet all you like. Unlike you I don't insist on inflicting every last opinion in my head on the people around me.

Quote:
Thanks for the corrections - but try next time not to load up your communications with so much baggage.


Ah, we're back to my psychological state. Because this couldn't have anything to do with principles, morality or truth. No, it must just be about some personal issue.

If you can't handle the message, attack the messenger.

Quote:
Vinciguerra wrote:
In the future, Gosling, if you must refer to my work then you are to do the following:
1) Get my permission before explicitly using my work
2) Name me as the author of that work
3) Don't use my work in the context of a load of conspiratorial hogwash of half-truths and complete untruths.


Here is Tom

Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql59RPRL4v0

and here is he and his mates' latest film about me

Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7ehGjjvlM4

here's the full version apparently
http://blip.tv/file/4505023
http://stagevu.com/video/appblkczynre
what a weird old bunch Rolling Eyes


Not my latest film - a little video I made a year or so ago. Didn't have anything to do with my 'friends' either - this is just more conspiratorial hogwash on your part. But don't let reality get in your way. You keep fighting the good fight, the fight where it doesn't matter if what you're saying is accurate, well-sourced or even plausible, it just matters that people think that what you're saying is true and identify you as part of a noble struggle.

Onward Christian soldier...


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Journalists are not 'all knowing' and not including your name does not mean I knew it and deliberately refused to use it.
Sorry Tim but I didn't know your name until it appeared on this thread.
I have to confess I have not even watched all your films all the way through.
And now I understand what the baggage was all about.
Thanks for that.
Absolutely anybody, including you, who sends me rude or abusive communications is likely to find it permanently published on the web such as here: http://www.bilderberg.org/emails.htm#Bad
BTW I have issued an apology for the factual error you pointed out at the start of the second hour on tonight's show so a genuine thanks for flagging that up and your film got another plug - so all to the good.
You can have a listen here: http://bcfm.org.uk/2011/09/30/17/friday-drivetime-39/9749

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Gosling's co-host also called John Loftus the 'former Attorney General of the United States', which isn't true. Loftus is of course the man who claimed that Haroon Aswat worked for MI6. It may be important to note that only days after Loftus' interview regarding Aswat that Loftus used his slot on Fox to give out the address of a suspected terrorist, Iyad K. Hilal. The house was vandalised and people who lived there were threatened, but Hilal had moved away THREE YEARS earlier.

'straight talking and investigative reports' - what a load of balls.



This John Joseph Loftus?

John Joseph Loftus (born February 12, 1950, in Boston, Massachusetts) is an American author, former US government prosecutor and former Army intelligence officer. He is a president of The Intelligence Summit and a president of the Florida Holocaust Museum, the first Irish Catholic president of that institution. Loftus serves on the Board of Advisers to Public Information Research. He is a resident of St. Petersburg, Florida.


"The Truth About Terrorism(Terrorism for Morons)”. Shouldn’t that be lies about Terrorism (Terrorism for oxymorons?)


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http://www.johnloftusreport.com/aboutJohn.html

Mr. Loftus is also President of the Intelligence Summit, an international non-profit non- partisan educational forum for the intelligence agencies of the free world and Vice Chairman of the Florida Holocaust Museum.

As a young U.S. Army officer, John Loftus helped train Israelis on a covert operation that turned the tide of battle in the 1973 Yom Kippur War. During the Carter and Reagan Administrations, he investigated CIA cases and Nazi War Criminals for the Attorney General of the United States. In 1982, his 60 Minutes expose of Nazis on the US government payroll won the Emmy Award for outstanding investigative journalism.

John is rated among the funniest and most inspiring speakers on the international and college lecture circuits and now he’s back with a timely and inspiring new lecture topic, “The Truth About Terrorism (Terrorism for Morons)”.

John Loftus is recognized as the former intelligence analyst for the Fox News Channel, where his program was seen each Sunday. The Loftus Report was also heard by four million listeners every weeknight from 10:30 to 11 PM on ABC National Radio's John Batchelor Show. (WABCradio.com).

Currently, John Loftus Report can be heard Monday and Tuesday from 11:00 to 12:00 PM EST on WMCA 570 AM, WSNR 620 AM (New York City) and WKAT 1360 AM (Miami, Florida).
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