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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:55 pm    Post subject: 25Jul2000 Concorde crash removes UK/Fr technology frm market Reply with quote

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It wasn't the crash that killed the Concordes.

3 months before the crash they were due to be refitted with new lightweight interiors at the cost of 1 million per plane, which would pay for itself in fuel savings within a year.
After the crash they could have retired them on the premise that lining the fuel tanks with Kevlar would have been too expensive - but they didn't, they went ahead at 1.5 million per plane and got them back in the air.

So it wasn't safety.

And it wasn't cost, because if it had been they would have jumped at the chance to sell the entire fleet to Branson.

There was more investment due on the Concordes, too.

It was politics that took Concorde out of the sky - and nothing else.

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Sources by word of mouth from employees at BAe Systems, Airbus and Rolls Royce between 2000 and 2004. Some British, some French.

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At the time the Concordes were decommissioned there were brand new lean burn state of the art new designed engines tested and lined up ready to be fitted to the entire fleet - not sure about the French ones but definitely the British - sitting in a workshop at Rolls Royce Filton.

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When the airfield closed, I realised nobody in the Save Filton Airfield campaign had got a direct point of view from Airbus who obviously stood to lose the most from the closure.

I picked up the phone, was told someone would ring me back. To my surprise they did - it was someone from BAe the landowners. I said no, with respect I have BAe's point of view it's all over the press - I want to speak to someone from Airbus!

So one 'Jason Impey' rang me back and gave me a paragraph about not affecting their operations bla bla bla.

He was brought into Airbus one month before the closure was announced and his background is in PR and ... defence. In other words he was put there from BAe specifically to manage the PR and had no loyalty to Airbus or any authority to speak for them.

Airbus were silenced.

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After the July 2000 Air France Concorde crash in Paris that killed 113 people a court decision has overturned corporate manslaughter charges against Continental Airlines. So what really happened and who was to blame?

Why did the accident lead to the permanent grounding of Concorde?

Concorde crash, Continental Airlines DC-10 debris theory dismissed in November 2012. Original story was a pack of lies, Michael Shrimpton QC.

Concorde Paris crash in 2000 killed 113 people and Concorde was taken out of service in 2003.

Break even load on Concorde was 30% and it was running at 50% load so still profitable. Spare parts were moved down to Toulouse so British Airways could no longer service their planes.

Bristol company BAC made the plane not the French.

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Basically, because a US company is involved the investigation must be shut down. Isn't that how it works these days


The doomed Air France Concorde flight 4590 on fire as it takes off from Paris

Witness reports 'cast doubt' on cause of Concorde crash
Continental Airlines, accused of causing the 2000 crash, claims that evidence from firefighters and pilots invalidates official account
Kim Willsher in Paris
Fri 22 Jan 2010

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jan/22/concorde-crash-witness-acco unts

Witness reports have cast doubt on the official account into the Concorde crash that killed 113 people, according to lawyers for Continental Airlines, the US carrier accused of causing the accident.

Continental Airlines is to be tried with five other defendants in France on 2 February. A lawyer for the airline says evidence from 28 witnesses, including firefighters and pilots, invalidates the accepted cause of the crash in 2000.

The evidence will be featured in a TV documentary to be shown on the French channel Canal+ tonight.

The French air investigation agency concluded that the accident was caused by Concorde hitting a 43.5cm (17-inch) strip of titanium from a Continental Airlines plane that had taken off minutes earlier from Charles de Gaulle airport.


This set off a catastrophic chain of events as pieces of rubber hit an engine causing the fuel tank to rupture and leak kerosene, which then caught fire, it reported.

Concorde was seen roaring down the runway with a plume of flames from its tail. Having passed the point of no return, the Concorde pilot was forced to carry on but crashed two minutes later on to a hotel in the town of Gonesse just outside the French capital.

Of the 113 dead, 100 were passengers, most of them German, nine were crew, and four were workers at the hotel.

Olivier Metzner, Continental's French lawyer, said the new witness accounts painted a different scenario, calling into question the safety and maintenance of Concorde.

"We will show the court that the fire that caused the crash happened before Concorde and the piece of metal came in contact," he said.

He added: "At that time Concorde was not in a sufficiently safe state to fly and that had been the case for some years."

A judicial source told Reuters that the witnesses had already been questioned and their testimony rejected during the long investigation leading up to the trial.

The new information includes allegations the plane was overloaded by a tonne and a half, was missing part of its wheel mechanism that held the two front wheels parallel, and was already on fire by the time it hit the strip of metal.

Metzner is suggesting the tyre may have burst because of a bump or fault in the runway.

It is also claimed there had been 67 accident reports involving Concorde tyres between 1979 and 2000, seven of which included a rupture of the fuel reservoirs under the plane's wings. It is alleged there were no modifications made to the plane until 2001.

The new theories have been entirely denied by Air France. The lawyer for Air France, which is not facing legal action, has denied the missing wheel part had any link with the accident.

After the crash Air France halted all Concorde flights. The last British Airways Concorde flew its final commercial flight on 24 October 2003.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Hutchinson on Air France Concorde Flight 4590

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The Wind Beneath My Wings: John Hutchinson Concorde Pilot - http://amzn.to/2jJINhU
Concorde Captain John Hutchinson talks about the horrific crash of Air France Flight 4590

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