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ian neal
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 Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:54 am Post subject: In search of an explanation of molten metal in the rubble |
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Prof Jones starts his paper thus
We start with the fact that large quantities of molten metal were observed in basement areas under rubble piles of all three buildings: the Twin Towers and WTC7. A video clip provides eye-witness evidence regarding this metal at ground zero: http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/red_hot_ground_zero _low_quality.wmv . The photographs below by Frank Silecchia show chunks of the hot metal being removed from the North Tower rubble on September 27, 2001 (according to photographer's aid). Notice the color of the lower portion of the extracted metal -- this tells us much about the temperature of the metal and provides important clues regarding its composition......
Does anyone know where I can find a explanation for this molten metal either in an official document or in a peer reviewed scientific paper?
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If you'd like a hack job explanation then try this;
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html
Its pathetic i know, but hey, we're in critics corner!
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Perhaps you could provide something more substantive than, "Its (sic) pathetic" as a counterargument to the 911myths analysis. |
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ian neal
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No fair dues. I'd read this before but forgotten that I had. Note to self, check the myths site first.
What I conclude from this is that molten (ie liquid) is not an accurate description of the various accounts of red hot metal and that jury is out on what type of metal we are looking at, what was the maximum temperature it reached and whether this is compatable with the official account.
So from my point of view, I wouldn't say this is a smoking gun. It could fit with both controlled demolition theory or the fire induced collapse theory. There are so many alleged anomolies with the official account both with regards to both the tower collapses and 9/11 in general, that 'we' have no reason to scrabble around for evidence
Feel free to explore this some more, but I will look around for a smokier smoking gun |
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bill withers
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Can diggers extract molten steel?
I find this highly unlikely, although I admit this is conjecture on my behalf, as I have little knowlede of metals and mechanics, I am just saying that if any critics here do, they might be able to confirm my suspicion, that the heat transference from molten steel would incapacitate the hydraulics, and/or melt the diggers teeth. |
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| bill withers wrote: | Can diggers extract molten steel?
I find this highly unlikely, although I admit this is conjecture on my behalf, as I have little knowlede of metals and mechanics, I am just saying that if any critics here do, they might be able to confirm my suspicion, that the heat transference from molten steel would incapacitate the hydraulics, and/or melt the diggers teeth. |
Possibly the fact that they can "extract" it implies that the temperature has dropped significantly for it to be a solid glowing mass and no longer at the temperature it would melt and flow so technically it is not extracting molten steel but steel that was molten and has cooled. ( the fire chief actually describes it as red hot) As regards the hydraulic cables if these were rubber and came in contact with the hot metal then yes that would be a problem but it would be possible to lift a chunk of glowing metal without the tubes coming in contact. They are designed to be out of the way as they can also suffer physical damage from rubble etc.
The evidence of molten metal is not solely based on the video clip of the machine lifting what looks like a chunk of glowing metal-- as as you suggest that could be debunked far easier than the eye witness accounts of the first responders and others not to mention the iron spheres found in the dust samples. Altogether IMO it adds up to a pretty convincing piece of evidence unlike perhaps the NPT.
Another consideration is why would these eyewitnesses lie about molten metal-- especially on camera. If and when it gets to court what are the perps going to say---"we set them all up to lie about molten metal to try and shake you off the case for what we really did"
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I have not seen anything from the official sources trying to deny molten metal at the site. No one knows exactly what type of metal it was or mainly was.
I have never heard of CD causing metal to melt though?? |
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| fish5133 wrote: | | bill withers wrote: | Can diggers extract molten steel?
I find this highly unlikely, although I admit this is conjecture on my behalf, as I have little knowlede of metals and mechanics, I am just saying that if any critics here do, they might be able to confirm my suspicion, that the heat transference from molten steel would incapacitate the hydraulics, and/or melt the diggers teeth. |
Possibly the fact that they can "extract" it implies that the temperature has dropped significantly for it to be a solid glowing mass and no longer at the temperature it would melt and flow so technically it is not extracting molten steel but steel that was molten and has cooled. ( the fire chief actually describes it as red hot) As regards the hydraulic cables if these were rubber and came in contact with the hot metal then yes that would be a problem but it would be possible to lift a chunk of glowing metal without the tubes coming in contact. They are designed to be out of the way as they can also suffer physical damage from rubble etc.
The evidence of molten metal is not solely based on the video clip of the machine lifting what looks like a chunk of glowing metal-- as as you suggest that could be debunked far easier than the eye witness accounts of the first responders and others not to mention the iron spheres found in the dust samples. Altogether IMO it adds up to a pretty convincing piece of evidence unlike perhaps the NPT.
Another consideration is why would these eyewitnesses lie about molten metal-- especially on camera. If and when it gets to court what are the perps going to say---"we set them all up to lie about molten metal to try and shake you off the case for what we really did" |
Hi fish5133 It's unlikely to be steel that has previously molten, then cooled, because the temperature readings from the air (discounting the NYPD helicopter readings, which are inaccurate, because the equipment is not designed, or calibrated for those temps) don't show temps high enough.
"Another consideration is why would these eyewitnesses lie about molten metal"
-They are not, they just did not see molten steel.
"not to mention the iron spheres found in the dust samples"
-The R G Lee group call the 'Iron-rich spheres" This means that they could be, for example, compounds of iron which melt at much lower temperatures.
- The R.G. Lee group published the fact that in office fires finding "iron rich microspheres" is expected.
-Friction
-Welding slag
-Iron workers with torches
- The ultimate "scientific" argument comes from Dr. Frank Greening : He tells us to look at McCrone's "Particle Atlas", pp 760 to 780, and note the EDX spectra for fly ash. They happen to match the EDX for the spheres Jones studied. And as Greening noted, fly ash would be a component of concrete. It doesn't get any more solid than that. |
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