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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:56 pm    Post subject: re: Al Qaeda Claims Reply with quote

Riaz Ahmed wrote:
Dear All,

Can anyone confirm to me if Al Qaeda ever claimed the responsibilty of the 9.11 events? This subject is very wishy washy.

The media just throw the odd clip here and there showing Osama talking in Arabic. He is probably having a conversation about whats happening in Eastenders lastnight!!!

If so , when and where?

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Riaz, these two videos were created by a guy whose first language is Arabic. They make a very strong case that OBL at least knew of and condoned the attacks, if not ordered them directly.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riaz - Osama Bin Laden denied any association with the attacks a few days following 9/11 and a clear video, which showed without doubt it was him, was made by him in which he denounced the targetting of women in particular. He said he had no sympathy with America but that he and Al Qaida were not responsible. Since then there have been a number of dodgy videos and audio tapes, released at convenient times for the Bush admin, which purport to be OBL claiming responsibility.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Riaz - Osama Bin Laden denied any association with the attacks a few days following 9/11 and a clear video, which showed without doubt it was him, was made by him in which he denounced the targetting of women in particular. He said he had no sympathy with America but that he and Al Qaida were not responsible. Since then there have been a number of dodgy videos and audio tapes, released at convenient times for the Bush admin, which purport to be OBL claiming responsibility.

I suppose Al Jazeera is in on the plot, too, then.
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Er. I've watched the first five minutes of the first one. I REALLY hope THAT is not what you were refering to. If it is, your standards of 'evidence' have dramatically dropped once again.
That little tyrade in the first few minutes makes ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION of the attacks in NYC. It doesnt mention the date 911. It doesnt mention hijackers. Its a farce. All it refers to is 'the act'. Yeh right, get that to stand up in court. NO WONDER the FBI says they have no evidence.
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This is just like all the other videos, especially the 77 videos. They are entirely vague in nature and make absolutely no direct mention of the attacks themselves.

Seriously, i really hope theres more in these two videos. I'll watch the rest later.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Listen Chipmunk. Please watch this;
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-3649090417189127240&q=power +of+nightmares&hl=en-GB

Its BBC, so still hides a lot, but it is still very interesting. Though it is an hour long i really do hope you watch it all.
It will give you an idea of how Al Qaeda never really existed.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I suppose Al Jazeera is in on the plot, too, then.


YES THEY ARE CHIPMUNK. LOOK AT WHO CREATED AND FUNDS AL JAZEERA. RICH WHITE AMERICANS AND EUROPEANS.

IT IS AL JAZEERA'S JOB TO ENFLAME THE MUSLIM WORLD!!!

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Why is it that Al Jazeera are the ones who IMMEDIATELY broadcast unconfirmed BL and AQ tapes? Tapes and messages that ORIGINATE FROM THE US????
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DeFecToR wrote:
Er. I've watched the first five minutes of the first one. I REALLY hope THAT is not what you were refering to. If it is, your standards of 'evidence' have dramatically dropped once again.
That little tyrade in the first few minutes makes ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION of the attacks in NYC. It doesnt mention the date 911. It doesnt mention hijackers. Its a farce. All it refers to is 'the act'. Yeh right, get that to stand up in court. NO WONDER the FBI says they have no evidence.
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This is just like all the other videos, especially the 77 videos. They are entirely vague in nature and make absolutely no direct mention of the attacks themselves.

Seriously, i really hope theres more in these two videos. I'll watch the rest later.

Oh, there's more. Please do keep watching.

I wonder, does either PNAC or Northwoods mention ANYTHING specific AT ALL that can be related to 9/11?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DeFecToR wrote:
Listen Chipmunk. Please watch this;
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-3649090417189127240&q=power +of+nightmares&hl=en-GB

Its BBC, so still hides a lot, but it is still very interesting. Though it is an hour long i really do hope you watch it all.
It will give you an idea of how Al Qaeda never really existed.

I'll watch it at lunch.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/011104ladendatapage. htm

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_war_on_terror.html#arrests

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/al-zarqawi/index.html

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DeFecToR wrote:
Why is it that Al Jazeera are the ones who IMMEDIATELY broadcast unconfirmed BL and AQ tapes? Tapes and messages that ORIGINATE FROM THE US????

Originate from the US?
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chipmunk stew wrote:
DeFecToR wrote:
Er. I've watched the first five minutes of the first one. I REALLY hope THAT is not what you were refering to. If it is, your standards of 'evidence' have dramatically dropped once again.
That little tyrade in the first few minutes makes ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION of the attacks in NYC. It doesnt mention the date 911. It doesnt mention hijackers. Its a farce. All it refers to is 'the act'. Yeh right, get that to stand up in court. NO WONDER the FBI says they have no evidence.
Laughing
This is just like all the other videos, especially the 77 videos. They are entirely vague in nature and make absolutely no direct mention of the attacks themselves.

Seriously, i really hope theres more in these two videos. I'll watch the rest later.

Oh, there's more. Please do keep watching.

I wonder, does either PNAC or Northwoods mention ANYTHING specific AT ALL that can be related to 9/11?


For god sake. We've gone through this.
PNAC shows MOTIVE.
Northwoods shows the PRECIDENT for setting up FALSE FLAG OPERATIONS.

F**k sake. Round and round we go. I dont know why i bloody bother.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chipmunk stew wrote:
DeFecToR wrote:
Why is it that Al Jazeera are the ones who IMMEDIATELY broadcast unconfirmed BL and AQ tapes? Tapes and messages that ORIGINATE FROM THE US????

Originate from the US?


Correct. I'm in a rush here, but i posted above some links pages from prisonplanet that i'm pretty sure show examples of this. If not let me know and i'll dig them out of elsewhere.

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The example in particular that springs to mind is a story that showed how faked Al Qaeda internet messages were originating out of the US. The NSA if i recall correctly.
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chipmunk stew wrote:

I suppose Al Jazeera is in on the plot, too, then.


YES THEY ARE CHIPMUNK. LOOK AT WHO CREATED AND FUNDS AL JAZEERA. RICH WHITE AMERICANS AND EUROPEANS.

IT IS AL JAZEERA'S JOB TO ENFLAME THE MUSLIM WORLD!!!

It's primarily funded by the emir of Qatar. It has a reputation for principled independence among media watchers.
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GRRRR. For crying out loud. I'll dig up the info but it wont be posted untill at least tomorrow.
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chipmunk stew wrote:
DeFecToR wrote:
chipmunk stew wrote:

I suppose Al Jazeera is in on the plot, too, then.


YES THEY ARE CHIPMUNK. LOOK AT WHO CREATED AND FUNDS AL JAZEERA. RICH WHITE AMERICANS AND EUROPEANS.

IT IS AL JAZEERA'S JOB TO ENFLAME THE MUSLIM WORLD!!!

It's primarily funded by the emir of Qatar. It has a reputation for principled independence among media watchers.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1015/p1s3-wosc.html
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Like i said. Its their job to enflame the arab world.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chipmunk stew wrote:
DeFecToR wrote:
Er. I've watched the first five minutes of the first one. I REALLY hope THAT is not what you were refering to. If it is, your standards of 'evidence' have dramatically dropped once again.
That little tyrade in the first few minutes makes ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION of the attacks in NYC. It doesnt mention the date 911. It doesnt mention hijackers. Its a farce. All it refers to is 'the act'. Yeh right, get that to stand up in court. NO WONDER the FBI says they have no evidence.
Laughing
This is just like all the other videos, especially the 77 videos. They are entirely vague in nature and make absolutely no direct mention of the attacks themselves.

Seriously, i really hope theres more in these two videos. I'll watch the rest later.

Oh, there's more. Please do keep watching.

I wonder, does either PNAC or Northwoods mention ANYTHING specific AT ALL that can be related to 9/11?


Yes.

Operation Northwoods wrote:

8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate
convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down
a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to
Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would
be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba.
The passengers could be a group of college students off on a
holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to
support chartering a non-scheduled flight.

a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and
numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered
aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the
Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be
subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be
loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under
carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered
aircraft would be converted to a drone.

b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual
aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of
Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying
aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly
into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will
have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the
aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft
meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When
over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the inter-
national distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he
is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission
will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will
be triggered by radio signal. This will allow IACO radio

Appendix to
Enclosure A
10

Page 14

stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what
has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to
"sell" the incident.


and......

Operation Northwoods wrote:
9. It is possible to create an incident which will make it
appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft
over international waters in an unprovoked attack.

At precisely the same time that the aircraft was
presumably shot down a submarine or small surface craft
would disburse F-101 parts, parachute, etc., at approximately
15 to 20 miles off the Cuban coast and depart. The pilots
retuning to Homestead would have a true story as far as
they knew. Search ships and aircraft could be dispatched
and parts of aircraft found.


recognize these? need I go on?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...and those relate to 9/11 because?

  • It explains how 767 parts were distributed by submarine in lower Manhattan?
  • Because both Northwoods and 9/11 involved the mass murder of over 3,000 people?
  • Because you say so?


Northwoods is to 9/11 as an Apple is to a thermate charge.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I find great is that whenever the US Government feels it needs more support in its "fight against terrorism" it conveniently releases an audio file of OBL or a video that looks more than just a bit dodgy.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Graham wrote:
chipmunk stew wrote:
DeFecToR wrote:
Er. I've watched the first five minutes of the first one. I REALLY hope THAT is not what you were refering to. If it is, your standards of 'evidence' have dramatically dropped once again.
That little tyrade in the first few minutes makes ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION of the attacks in NYC. It doesnt mention the date 911. It doesnt mention hijackers. Its a farce. All it refers to is 'the act'. Yeh right, get that to stand up in court. NO WONDER the FBI says they have no evidence.
Laughing
This is just like all the other videos, especially the 77 videos. They are entirely vague in nature and make absolutely no direct mention of the attacks themselves.

Seriously, i really hope theres more in these two videos. I'll watch the rest later.

Oh, there's more. Please do keep watching.

I wonder, does either PNAC or Northwoods mention ANYTHING specific AT ALL that can be related to 9/11?


Yes.

Operation Northwoods wrote:

8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate
convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down
a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to
Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would
be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba.
The passengers could be a group of college students off on a
holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to
support chartering a non-scheduled flight.

a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and
numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered
aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the
Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be
subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be
loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under
carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered
aircraft would be converted to a drone.

b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual
aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of
Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying
aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly
into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will
have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the
aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft
meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When
over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the inter-
national distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he
is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission
will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will
be triggered by radio signal. This will allow IACO radio

Appendix to
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10

Page 14

stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what
has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to
"sell" the incident.


and......

Operation Northwoods wrote:
9. It is possible to create an incident which will make it
appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft
over international waters in an unprovoked attack.

At precisely the same time that the aircraft was
presumably shot down a submarine or small surface craft
would disburse F-101 parts, parachute, etc., at approximately
15 to 20 miles off the Cuban coast and depart. The pilots
retuning to Homestead would have a true story as far as
they knew. Search ships and aircraft could be dispatched
and parts of aircraft found.


recognize these? need I go on?

No. I don't recognize them at all. They both involve aircraft. Is there some other similarity you could point to?

Do you see any logistical problems with carrying this type of thing out in NYC and DC as opposed to over the ocean?

Do you see any problems convincing people to take part in something like this if it involved killing 3000 citizens as opposed to making painstaking efforts to avoid actual casualties?

This could hardly be more dissimilar to 9/11.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scubadiver wrote:
What I find great is that whenever the US Government feels it needs more support in its "fight against terrorism" it conveniently releases an audio file of OBL or a video that looks more than just a bit dodgy.

Whenever something is released that appears to support the official version, the timing is always considered "convenient" by Inside Jobbers.

If something were released today, it could easily be construed as "convenient"--as a distraction from the Israel-Lebanon situation or to bolster support for it, for example. The Bush adminstration has been faced with bad news for essentially its entire tenure. Pick any day they've been in office, and any release of good news would be "convenient".
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I gather Teresa Heinz Kerry is an 'inside jobber' then?

She seemed to think it was convenient in late 2004.
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I gather Teresa Heinz Kerry is an 'inside jobber' then?

She seemed to think it was convenient in late 2004.

She's something much worse--a politician. Wink
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in response to:
TimmyG wrote:
does anyone know where the video can be found (of osama denying the attacks)?


The denial came in the form of a statement delivered to al Jazeera. There is no video.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/


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She's something much worse--a politician.

Oh, I thought she was just married to one.

A lot of conjecture of an "October Surprise" back in 2004.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:11 pm    Post subject: AlJazeera/Al Qaeda Reply with quote

Al Jazeera is the offspring of the BBC Arabic Service : BBC staff stayed on with the new name. Hence, "suicide-bomber" videos etc etc

There has never been any evidence, whatsoever, linking Al Q or Osama with Sep 11.
The FBI admitted this some time ago and has now disbanded the dept. - "looking for Osama".
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

The Fake bin Laden Video Tape
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blackcat wrote:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

The Fake bin Laden Video Tape

Probably best to see the video first, before introducing the bias of someone else's analysis:

http://www.npr.org/news/specials/response/investigation/011213.binlade n.tape.html
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