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Shoestring Trustworthy Freedom Fighter

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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:56 am Post subject: More on the flu exercise |
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| Mark Gobell wrote: | BBC Breakfast this morning had Ben Bradshaw, MP, Secretary of State for DEFRA.
He was asked about what happens if the H5N1 virus jumps ship from birds to humans:
| Ben Bradshaw wrote: | | We have a well worked contingency plan that we tested only last week in an exercise. |
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Patricia Hewitt mentioned more on this on ITV 1's The Sunday Edition yesterday. She said: "In fact just last week we were taking part in the biggest planning exercise there's ever been on pandemic flu. So we are preparing for it."
Transcript here: http://www.itv.com/page.asp?partid=6475 |
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Mark Gobell Validated Poster

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alkmyst Moderate Poster


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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:14 am Post subject: Blair's Death Toll |
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The death toll since Tony Blair's appointment to the position of British Prime Minister is staggering ... and is about to be increased by a few more million, now that 'Bird Flu' has been introduced in Norfolk. The following list is not exhaustive but one can only wonder how this creature sleeps at night without sedation:
1997 : Princess Diana
1999 : Kosovo
1999: Sierra Leone
2001 : 7 million Sheep & Cattle (taken off the front pages by 9/11)
2001 : 9/11 (You don't think he knew in advance?)
2003 : David Kelly (Suicide?)
2005 : 7/7 - 56 Killed
2005 : Jean-Charles de Menezes - Assasinated with 7 Dum-Dum bullets to the head
2005 : Robin Cook (Hill-walking induced Coronory Attack?)
British Troops reported killed in Iraq since 2003 : 131
British Troops reported Killed in Afghanistan since 2001 : 51; incl 5 in past 3 weeks
2007 : ?? millions poultry
When are the British people going to wake up to the sacrificial aspect of TB's reign?
Don't forget the link between Donald Rumsfeld & Birdflu; see links below:
Rumsfeld sees growth in Gilead stake
http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/31/news/newsmakers/fortune_rumsfeld/
Rumsfeld to profit Millions from Bush spending on Avian Flu pandemic
http://usliberals.about.com/b/a/215357.htm
Rumsfeld Bird Flu Hoax
http://www.mercola.com/2005/oct/25/rumsfeld_to_profit_from_avian_flu_h oax.htm
Tamiflu? I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole!
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andyb Validated Poster

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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:14 am Post subject: |
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Heard on the news last night that an exercise was planned for an outbreak in that exact area, from today I think. Wasn't this the case with the last outbreak too? _________________ "We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of the good people.” Martin Luther King |
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conspiracy analyst Trustworthy Freedom Fighter

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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:00 pm Post subject: Left gatekeepers at it again! |
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First it was AIDS, then EBOLA, then MAD COW disease, then FOOT and MOUTH now its non-existent BIRD FLU. Fictional threats from past 'one disease will end life as we know it' genre.
Now we have the assault on Bagdad with Bush's surge, Bird Flu reappears. The neo-cons want a whip round for their 9/11 oil wars. Dont contribute either mentally, spiritually or in conversations with colleagues. A lie doesn't cease to be a lie because it is repeated enough times and the great and the good sign little 'protest' letters...
| Quote: | WHY IS IT THAT WHEN A LARGE COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE GETS HIT WITH THIS IT POSES LITTLE DANGER TO HUMANS, YET WHEN THE SCARE-MONGERING OVER BIRD FLU WAS AT ITS HEIGHT A YEAR AGO IT SEEMED A SINGLE INFECTED BIRD WAS ENOUGH TO WIPE OUT HALF THE POPULACE?
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Professor Oxford: The dead swan in Fife was in a public place - anyone could have walked up to it. But the most recent case involved a secure site which only affects the people who work there.
I don't believe last year's incident was overstated. It was a huge educational exercise: people know now that a dead swan is potentially dangerous.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6329419.stm
An 'expert' dispels the myths...
The embedded left as apologists for Rumsfeld and co.
Global poor most at risk from bird flu
Monday February 5, 2007
The Guardian
As the recent outbreaks in Suffolk, Nigeria, China and Egypt make clear, today humanity faces a massive global threat from avian influenza (Birdflu alert as 1,000 turkeys found dead in Suffolk, February 3). Indeed, leading researchers believe a human pandemic is not only inevitable but overdue. In December 2006, the Lancet medical journal estimated that a global H5N1 influenza pandemic could kill over 60 million people - 96% of them in the global south.
Article continues
In 1918, an influenza virus killed more people in 24 weeks than Aids has killed in 24 years. Overwhelmingly, these deaths took place in the global south. People with Aids will be particularly vulnerable to a new influenza pandemic, along with those affected by malnutrition and war.
The world needs: 1) an end to corporate patents that restrict access to critical medicines; 2) urgent funding by the rich world to boost health and surveillance systems in countries most at risk in Asia and Africa; and 3) the elimination of large-scale intensive livestock farming, which is accelerating the development of new pandemic viruses.
Corporate greed and western self-interest are blocking these urgently needed actions. We can and must take action now.
Noam Chomsky, author Hegemony or Survival
Naomi Klein, author No Logo
Walden Bello, Focus on the Global South
Michael Greger, author Bird Flu: A virus of our own hatching
Mike Davis, author The Global Threat of Avian Flu
Caroline Lucas, Green MEP
John Pilger, author Distant Voices
Gabriel Carlyle, Pandemic Action
Kathy Kelly, Voices for Creative Nonviolence
Michael Albert, ZNet
Mairead Corrigan Maguire, Nobel peace prize winner
Hans von Sponeck, former UN assistant secretary general |
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mark_e Moderate Poster


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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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We were conducting an exercise amazingly the real thing happened! Would you believe it, what an incredible coincidence.
I think a pattern seems to be emerging.
I suppose it work on the general population twice, so why not give it another go eh? |
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Mark Gobell Validated Poster

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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Left gatekeepers at it again! |
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| conspirator wrote: | | First it was AIDS, then EBOLA, then MAD COW disease, then FOOT and MOUTH now its non-existent BIRD FLU. Fictional threats from past 'one disease will end life as we know it' genre. |
You forgot about SARS. LOL _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan. |
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paul wright Moderator

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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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They do seem to like these animal ones. Gives them an excuse to slaughter millions of sentient beings in one fowl (in this case) swoop,something they haven't contrived to do with humans as yet.
Must give them quite a lift. Expect the worry lines to have been smoothed from Blair's face and his eyes ever more sparkly. _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction |
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Patrick Brown 9/11 Truth critic


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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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| mark_e wrote: | We were conducting an exercise amazingly the real thing happened! Would you believe it, what an incredible coincidence.
I think a pattern seems to be emerging.
I suppose it work on the general population twice, so why not give it another go eh? |
Mark this is suspicious but I'm sure I remember that the security firm running the drill was a private firm and therefore not a government operation. I think I'm also correct in saying that the drill was being ran for a group of wealthy Arabs that lived or had offices nearby!! Anybody reading this should check the facts before drawing any conclusions.  _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk
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Patrick Brown 9/11 Truth critic


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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| dh wrote: | They do seem to like these animal ones. Gives them an excuse to slaughter millions of sentient beings in one fowl (in this case) swoop,something they haven't contrived to do with humans as yet.
Must give them quite a lift. Expect the worry lines to have been smoothed from Blair's face and his eyes ever more sparkly. |
Hmm nothing like a bit of necromancy to delight the rationally disabled! I figure with intensive farming these things happen so I don't see anything suspicious going on here. I figure millions will die from a killer flu strain at some point in the future. It's happened before and it will happen again.
Oh I forgot all the diseases that we can now cure we're genetically engineered by the satanic Illuminati hundreds of years ago with the help of alien beings!!!!!!!!!!!
How does that old expression go? Oh yes sh*t happens! _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk
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alkmyst Moderate Poster


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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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Bird Flu Outbreak Coincided With Drill
Foot and Mouth example should set alarm bells ringing if pandemic occurs
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/070406birdfludrill.htm
This prescient article, from April 7th 2006, is indicative of just how predictable the game is becoming. Yet this is also indicative of the sheer contempt that these a**holes have for the gullible masses!
Patrick Brown wrote:
| Quote: | | I figure millions will die from a killer flu strain at some point in the future. It's happened before and it will happen again. |
I guess Patrick will be at the front of the line for his dose of Tamiflu!
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Patrick Brown 9/11 Truth critic


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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| alkmyst wrote: | | I guess Patrick will be at the front of the line for his dose of Tamiflu! |
No I'm going to live at the bottom of the garden with a few friends of mine!  _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Wild bird flu comes from Eastern Europe. Looks like our wild bird flew around the UK before attacking East Anglia, a bit like what happened at the Pentagon.. _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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"We shall stamp this killer out if it is the last thing we do. We have to protect our people. Please do not despair. We are here to protect you. We shall beat this thing. Daddy Government is here now."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6332631.stm |
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alkmyst Moderate Poster


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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: Troll Alert |
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Patrick Brown wrote:
| Quote: | | ... I'm going to live at the bottom of the garden with a few friends of mine! |
... finally acknowledging what many have known for a while.
Why is this ubiquitous shill actually allowed out of Critic's Corner?
Al K Myst |
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Patrick Brown 9/11 Truth critic


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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Troll Alert |
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| alkmyst wrote: | Patrick Brown wrote:
| Quote: | | ... I'm going to live at the bottom of the garden with a few friends of mine! |
... finally acknowledging what many have known for a while.
Why is this ubiquitous shill actually allowed out of Critic's Corner?
Al K Myst |
I take it you think Andrew is a really great guy?  _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk
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thought criminal Moderate Poster


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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: Troll Alert |
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| Patrick Brown wrote: | | alkmyst wrote: | Patrick Brown wrote:
| Quote: | | ... I'm going to live at the bottom of the garden with a few friends of mine! |
... finally acknowledging what many have known for a while.
Why is this ubiquitous shill actually allowed out of Critic's Corner?
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I take it you think Andrew is a really great guy?  |
Al is basically saying what many of us are thinking. You are so blatant, it is pathetic. I am so happy to see your 'evidence based' website sank without a trace. You are a disgrace. |
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Patrick Brown 9/11 Truth critic


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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: Troll Alert |
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| thought criminal wrote: | | Patrick Brown wrote: | | alkmyst wrote: | Patrick Brown wrote:
| Quote: | | ... I'm going to live at the bottom of the garden with a few friends of mine! |
... finally acknowledging what many have known for a while.
Why is this ubiquitous shill actually allowed out of Critic's Corner?
Al K Myst |
I take it you think Andrew is a really great guy?  |
Al is basically saying what many of us are thinking. You are so blatant, it is pathetic. I am so happy to see your 'evidence based' website sank without a trace. You are a disgrace. |
So we have you, 4U2P, Andrew and a few others that are rather suspect. Keep going as you've a habit of digging yourself into a hole and then hurling abuse or just running away like a girl don't you? _________________ We check the evidence and then archive it: www.911evidencebase.co.uk
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Shoestring Trustworthy Freedom Fighter

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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:59 pm Post subject: More on that exercise |
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Here's more details of the flu pandemic exercise that took place last week. It was called "Winter Willow." This really is the coincidence of the century! (Along with the similar exercise that coincided with the last British bird-flu case; and along with the exercise that coincided with the 7/7 attacks that mirrored them almost exactly; and along with all the exercises that coincided with the 9/11 attacks.)
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BRITAIN 'CLOSED OFF' IN KILLER FLU PLANS
By Vincent Moss Political Editor
Sunday Mirror, 3 December 2006
THOUSANDS of people will take part in a giant exercise next month to prepare Britain for a lethal bird flu outbreak - with parts of the country sealed off and patrolled by police.
Operation "Winter Willow" will involve all the emergency services, town hall officials and government ministers including Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt and Environment Secretary David Miliband.
Police will stop people entering the exclusion zones and emergency centres will be set up. Ministers are also considering allowing TV cameras to film the exercise to ease public fears.
The Government has drawn up the contingency plans amid concern that bird flu could mutate into a form which can be transmitted between humans. The exercise will take place in two stages, starting on January 30 and then February 19 and 20.
Government experts fear up to seven million Britons could die in a major outbreak. A senior minister said: "That is a worst case scenario. But we are overdue for a flu pandemic and when it arrives as many as one in four people could be affected."
Precautions could include closing public transport and masks being issued to millions of people. There have been 250 cases of bird flu in humans in Asia since 2003, plus suspected human cases in Somalia and South Korea.
Source: http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_headline=britain--closed-off--in -killer-flu-plans-&method=full&objectid=18199455&siteid=62484-name_pag e.html |
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Mark Gobell Validated Poster

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Shoestring Trustworthy Freedom Fighter

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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject: Struth! |
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There's more!
An article from the Sunday Times just over a week ago described Winter Willow: "THE government is to conduct the largest emergency exercise since the cold war on Tuesday to test whether it could cope in the event of a flu epidemic in Britain. Confidential plans have been circulated in Whitehall that will involve thousands of civil servants and officials from the emergency services. Some government advisers believe that a bird flu epidemic has overtaken terrorism as the biggest risk facing the country."
The original link for the article is here: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2570055,00.html
but the Times website is playing up at the moment, so you can alternatively read the full article here: http://www.planforpandemic.com/viewtopic.php?p=44259 |
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Mark Gobell Validated Poster

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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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February 4 2007
CIWF has never been allowed to visit Matthews' factories
Media frenzy - driving political hot potatoes away from the front pages - is as predictable as it is dismaying. Scaremongering about human health ("public told not to panic") tends to silence protest at the mass gassing of birds. Behind the bureaucratic demands for poultry to be put indoors within a 10km protection zone and the nationwide banning of pigeon races one hears the slamming of the stable door. As we have often regretted, DEFRA has not chosen vaccination as even part of their strategy to combat this global pandemic.
As Dr Ruth Watkins asked in an article written many months ago for the CLA, "... Why not vaccinate free-range poultry and pheasants as well as hold vaccine in reserve to ring vaccinate an outbreak in a domestic flock? Vaccination may be found necessary in bio-secure flocks to prevent breakdowns of infection in intensive poultry systems. If we do not order or make any vaccine for birds then we can never use it. Are we heading for another disaster on the scale of 2001?"
Pheasants are especially vulnerable to infection from wild birds. They are reared in Spring and then released into the local habitat. Vaccinating young pheasants before release would be the sensible option. As today's Independent on Sunday says, the outbreak "casts doubt on the adequacy of defences against the disease, which the Government had said were the best in the world."
Once again we hear of "increasing risks of it arriving through migrating birds" The Bernard Matthews farms are strictly controlled and impermeable. Not even the highly respected Compassion in World Farming has ever been allowed in to visit. One correspondent, after mentioning the Bernard Matthews farms all over Europe, including Hungary, writes, "And they are telling us that it was a little sparrow in the ventilation system? Don't make me laugh!"
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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Great thread apart from my blooper (which in the excitement nobody noticed).  _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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mark_e Moderate Poster


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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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well, i'll keep you posted. one of those red 'restricted area signs appeared across the road from my office today, putting my office outside and my home inside the restriction zone.
we actually received a preparing for emergencies booklet the weekend before last. i thought it must just have been because of the high winds and power cuts. just waiting for my mask to drop through the door!  |
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uselesseater Trustworthy Freedom Fighter

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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Seems like it would be a very low probability of an outbreak following a drill once. The probability of that happening again must be extremely slim.
Do we know if there have been any other drills or is it just these two?
Do we have a mathematician amongst us?
Also lucky that they got the leaflets out just in time. |
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mark_e Moderate Poster


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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| absolutely, as with the preparing for emergencies booklet, the real emergency is always for either something to light a fire with or for toilet paper. having two different books has really got me prepared i must say |
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Definately some hardcore info going down here: props to all! _________________ We are not a community looking to believe: We are a community dedicated to seeing what is
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| mark_e wrote: | well, i'll keep you posted. one of those red 'restricted area signs appeared across the road from my office today, putting my office outside and my home inside the restriction zone.
we actually received a preparing for emergencies booklet the weekend before last. i thought it must just have been because of the high winds and power cuts. just waiting for my mask to drop through the door!  |
REFUSE THE VACCINE. GET COLLOIDAL SILVER. _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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paul wright Moderator

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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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Good interim advice, Rodin.There's some other on the horizon.
So do you think they're going to release this, or is it just another scare mode? One of the possible chaos projections
Personally I think they might be proposing to go real with this one,which is why they stirred it up in the homely Bernard Matthews death factory
Bleeding into the lungs,huh? and death by drowning. I'll get back on this _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction |
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uselesseater Trustworthy Freedom Fighter

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Right. Seeing as there's no mathematicians available we'll have to change tac. Don't say I didn't give science a chance.
'Winter Willow' According to the Compendium Encycolpedia of Symbols the Willow, among other things, is thought to have the ability to vicariousley take deseases upon itself through magic. |
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