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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:49 pm    Post subject: Hatchet jobs on your editor in Private Eye/Harry's Place Reply with quote

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Boring but true!

Your editor (me) has been slagged by Harry's Place blog then Private Eye's Ratbiter (Ian Bone, Larry O'Hara or Paul Stott?) as being paranoid and homophobic.

Green Party Head of external comunications, Tracy Deighton-Brown, 01233 721825, told me what I'd said was against Green Party policy but didn't know what the policy actually was, and Eugene Byrne of Bristol's Venue magazine have both been in touch with me over the last couple of weeks about this piece on the Harry's Place blog. Here's my reply to Eugene.

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Yes, I was accurately quoted but it's a difficult conversation to accurately record what exactly they said to me being over six months ago. I was told by the Muslim News reporter that the books depicted a positive portrayal of gay sexual relations to primary age kids and were targeted at very young children.

I am a Christian and thus have a lot in common with Muslim ideas of good educational practices. I believe all three monotheistic faiths actually worship the same God.

I am certain though that I couched my reply in the terms of 'sounds like' because I hadn't actually seen the books, which I don't see in the final piece. Personally I object to children at and up to the age of puberty being taught that homosexual relationships are 'normal' and portray them in a positive light. Certainly these terms should be explained to children at an appropriate age but not with a positive spin. If I had children at a school which taught such things I would see it as such an important issue that I would consider withdrawing them.

I use the term 'gay mafia' to describe gay rights campaigners who overstep the mark and to emphasise that no social group or community is immune to criticism. Once children reach sexual maturity as far as I'm concerned it's their affair.

As I said on the phone I'm proud to be attacked by Harry's Place as it is trying to make its name as a site that attacks civil liberties campaigners.

I don't think it's a coincidence that this criticism is timed to coincide with a documentary I'm working on exposing the police and government lies over the 7/7 London Bombings... and calling for a proper public enquiry with all the various witnesses evidence made public.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:40 pm    Post subject: Talking of the Israeli video security companies Reply with quote

Israeli company will secure Vatican
JTA, Nov 24 2008
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An Israeli company has won a contract to secure Vatican City, an Israeli newspaper reported. The Herzliya-based intelligent video appliances firm ioimage has won a contract estimated at $4m to $5m to secure sensitive areas of Vatican City, the Israeli daily Yediot Achronot reported Nov 20. Roni Kaz, director of ioimage, told the newspaper that the examination of the city and its needs took three years. The system includes "smart" security cameras that can be viewed in real time by computers connected to the Internet.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AND the supreme acolade.

At last I've made it on to stage 2 of Ghandi's analysis of how the British Establishment deals with tellers of unpopular truths. Such as the total lack of scrutiny of the 7/7 attacks.

I just got a phone call telling me I have a whole column about me in this week's (today's) Private Eye!

I'm guessing it's about Nick, could be wrong though.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dogmatism about the Holocaust was not always such. I treasure this quotation, which I truly believe is a genuine one:

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"Most of the memoirs and reports [of the concentration camp survivors] are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."


-- Samuel Gringauz, in Jewish Social Studies (New York), Vol. 12 (Jan 1950), p. 65.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rowan Berkeley wrote:
Dogmatism about the Holocaust was not always such. I treasure this quotation, which I truly believe is a genuine one:

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"Most of the memoirs and reports [of the concentration camp survivors] are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies."


-- Samuel Gringauz, in Jewish Social Studies (New York), Vol. 12 (Jan 1950), p. 65.


Rowan, could you possibly link to that article or give us an idea of its broad context. Thanks. As you will be aware, there is seemingly an online cottage industry involving scouring books and publications for quotes that look good in isolation, but I'm assuming you wouldn't simply give a one line quote from an article you've never read.
Though even on those terms, I can't see it's that big a deal. It could equally apply to any kind of body of recollection. You may as well say the same thing about a bunch of people giving their individual accounts of a fight in a pub and deduce the fight therefore did not occur. In fact, you could say the same thing about 911.
When dealing with large bodies of eyewitness testimony, the task is to look at the key points that are mutually corroborated by independent witnesses and backed by other kinds of evidence.

That Private Eye column does not mention Nick.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now I'm top Red in the South West of England on Combat 18's Redwatch as of 27 October 2008.
Was it because of this page?

A bit bizzare to be slagged by both right and left at the same time
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:23 am    Post subject: Dogsmilk, why ever is your avatar jean-paul sartre? Reply with quote

I am afraid I cannot give you the context for that marvellous quotation from Samuel Gringauz. As you can see, it is from a New York print periodical of the 1950s. Perhaps someone could find it in the New York public library, or the Library of Congress.

I have considered the possibility that Gringauz was actually talking about the concentration camp staff, not the inmates, but I think this can be ruled out by the use of the phrase "graphomanic exaggeration." I cannot imagine any german soldier, of whatever rank, resorting to "graphomanic exaggeration" in his "memoirs or reports."

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Dogsmilk, why ever is your avatar jean-paul sartre? Reply with quote

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I am afraid I cannot give you the context for that marvellous quotation from Samuel Gringauz. As you can see, it is from a New York print periodical of the 1950s. Perhaps someone could find it in the New York public library, or the Library of Congress.

I have considered the possibility that Gringauz was actually talking about the concentration camp staff, not the inmates, but I think this can be ruled out by the use of the phrase "graphomanic exaggeration." I cannot imagine any german soldier, of whatever rank, resorting to "graphomanic exaggeration" in his "memoirs or reports."


No I don't think it's from staff. Mind you, someone could do with finding some obscure quote virtually nobody will be able to look up to try to score points with about them as their accounts tend to closely corroborate those of these here graphomanics.

I may have my differences with Tony from time to time, but I do have to say I'm quite impressed he's got himself on Redwatch.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I finally got a letter last week explaining that I am suspended from the Green Party for supporting Muslim and non-muslim parents who sucessfully demonstrated outside two Bristol primary schools for the withdrawal of these books.

Green Party Core Value 5
"A healthy society is based on voluntary co-operation between empowered individuals in a democratic society, free from discrimination whether based on race, colour, gender, sexual orientation, religion, social origin or any other prejudice."
http://www.greenparty.org.uk/about

And here's the books
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King and King
The story begins in a traditional vein, with the prince who must marry so that his mother can retire. The choice of princesses allows the artist and writer to show off their comic skills in a series of one-page princesses, performing before the prince and his mother, completed with a two page spread of the splendid climax, followed by a same-sex wedding. This work is a natural choice for those who want their little ones to have a rosier perspective on same-sex romance.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1582460612/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_and_king

King and King and Family
"Join newlyweds King Lee and King Bertie on their journey into the noisy jungle. As they float down a river, wild animal families turn out to greet them but the royal travellers suspect something more significant awaits them in the trees. The illustrious pair soon discover that theres no adventure more wonderful than starting a family."
http://www.amazon.co.uk/King-Family-Linda-Haan/dp/1582461139/

And Tango Makes Three
Roy and Silo are just like the other penguin couples at the zoo - they bow to each other, walk together and swim together. But Roy and Silo are a little bit different - they're both boys. Then, one day, when Mr Gramzay the zookeeper finds them trying to hatch astone, he realises that it may be time for Roy and Silo to become parents for real.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1847381480
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I finally got a letter last week explaining that I am suspended from the Green Party for supporting Muslim and non-muslim parents who sucessfully demonstrated outside two Bristol primary schools for the withdrawal of these books.


dont think the BNP will have you either Tony. Very Happy

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Neither will I have them sir!
Here is both the Private Eye piece and the Bristol Venue piece for the record as neither are on the internet.

Private Eye wrote:

GREEN GROW THE BIGOTS, 0
ENVIRONMENTALISTS who read the leaked BNP membership list are in for a shock. Among the far rightists listed as collectors of "lurchers", "World War II militaria" and "medieval longbows" is one Keith Bessant, whom the BNP describes as a "former Green Party parliamentary candidate".
So he is. Bessant was one of the West Country's leading Greens, standing in Cheltenham in the 2001 and 2005 elections. A party spokesman said he had gone over to the BNP because its climate-change policy "was more radical", a statement which was strange for what it left out.
The Greens missed the opportunity to say that Bessant had turned from a lovable environmentalist into a bigot. But that may be because the bigotries of anti-semitism and homophobia are not exactly hanging offences in the party.
In June, police searching for a missing German woman, Natalie Bracht, arrested Tony Gosling, a Green candidate in Bristol, and his partner. They searched his home before releasing them without charge. Northumbria detectives said they were worried about Bracht's mental health and the safety of her five children after she covered their faces with headscarves and vanished from her Sunderland home. She has since turned up safe and well in Germany.
Gosling admitted to meeting Bracht briefly.
She told him that Mossad was behind the 7/7 bombings, which had "nothing to do with Muslims", and added for good measure that South Gosforth Reformed Synagogue in Newcastle hid a "Masonic/Zionist cell".
She confided in the right man. Gosling said that although he could not confirm her story of a Jewish conspiracy in South Gosforth, it was important to bring her accusations to a wider audience.
Previously, Gosling had announced that he kept "an open mind" on whether the forged Protocols of the Elders of Zion that Hitler used to justify the Holocaust were indeed forged. "Many Jewish people believe The Protocols of Zion to be anti-Jewish hate material," he said. "In fact, their authenticity has never been entirely proven or disproven."
Gosling told the Muslim News, meanwhile, that the introduction of books about gay relationships into Bristol schools "personally disgusted" him. "It's the gay mafia in full swing."
Green conspiracy theories are used to explain not only the 7/7 Islamist attacks but also 9/11. Martin Deane, Green candidate in Hull, announced: "Having clocked up a few hundred hours now looking at evidence on the internet, I believe at the very least there is culpable US government complicity in the events of 9/11."
The Hull Green Party's website links to 9/11 "truth" reports that blame the attacks on the CIA and, of course, Mossad. Deane campaigned with fellow activist Justin Walker to get his party to demand a reinvestigation into the 9/11 attacks. The motion was defeated - but by the less than crushing margin of two votes.
Walker left the Greens when he went a conspiracy theory too far and embraced David Icke, the former sports presenter and green leader, who believes the world is controlled by giant lizards rather than Jews. The Green establishment might "demonise" Icke, Walker said in an open letter, but "closed minds, my friends, do not get to the truth!"
The gay rights group Outrage is demanding that the party cleans up its act, while Jewish Greens are so nervous that they have established a splinter group, Greens Engage.
Perhaps the gay and Jewish greens should not be too surprised by the crossover between the Green Party and the BNP. After all, the first European government to preach environmentalism was the government of Nazi Germany.
'Ratbiter'


Venue magazine wrote:

Green Party row over 'gay' schoolbooks
Special report: Eugene Byrne
The Green Party in Bristol has suspended one of its members for making homophobic comments in a newspaper interview. Remarks made by Tony Gosling, 46, have been condemned by prominent gay rights campaigner
Peter Tatchell, who is also the Green Party's Spokesperson for Human Rights. The offending quotes were published in The Muslim News, a UK monthly newspaper. In April it carried an article about parents of children at two Bristol inner-city primary schools objecting to books
portraying gay relationships as normal. Bristol City Council said at the time that the books are to try to prevent children whose parents are in same-sex relationships being bullied.
The Muslim News quoted Gosling as a Green Party council candidate who said he was "per¬sonally disgusted" by the books. "No way should kids be indoctrinated in this way. Anyone who says so is branded as homophobic which they are not; it's the gay mafia in full swing."
Gosling told Venue that to the best of his recollection the article quoted him accurately, and he stands by the comments he made. He says he did not claim to be a Green Party council candidate (though he has stood for election in the past) and made the remarks in a personal capacity. "I was told by the Muslim News reporter that the books depicted a positive portrayal of gay sexual relations to primary age kids and were targeted at very young children. I am a Christian and thus have a lot in common with Muslim ideas of good educational practices. Personally I object to children at and up to the age of puberty being taught that homosexual relationships are 'normal' and portray them in a positive light.. I use the term 'gay mafia' to describe gay rights campaigners who overstep the mark and to emphasise that no social group or community is immune to criticism."
Gosling is a well-known and divisive figure in local activist circles, involved in film-making and internet radio. He was one of the original group involved in setting up the Bristol Indymedia independent news website, and is also currently Vice Chair of the Bristol branch of the National Union of Journalists. When asked whether or not his statements ran contrary to the equalities policies both of the Green party and other organ¬isations he represents, he refused to be drawn, saying he had better read the books first.
He has a national profile for investigating various conspiracy theories, claiming, among other things, that the government is covering up the full story of the July 2005 London bombings. He maintains a huge, rambling website at www.bilderberg.org which is crammed with reports and speculation on global conspiracy theories, Biblical prophecy, the Freemasons and more.
His comments to the Muslim News were only recently highlighted by the Harry's Place political blog (www.hurryupharry.org). In response, Peter Tatchell said: "His anti-gay stance is disowned by the Green Party. It is right that pupils should have an awareness and understanding of others who are different from them. These books are not about sex. They help promote tolerance, which is a good thing."
Gosling suspects that the emergence of the story now is a plot against him: "I don't think it's a coincidence that this criticism is timed to coincide with a documentary I'm working on exposing the police and government lies over the 7/7 London bombings, and calling for a proper public enquiry with all the various witnesses' evidence made public."
The Green Party in Bristol last week issued a statement saying that in the Muslim News interview, he gave the inaccurate impression that he was a Green Party candidate, which he was not His membership has now been suspended pending the outcome of a disciplinary process which may result in his expulsion.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All this garbage talk from ignoramuses makes you entirely lovable and obviously on the correct path.
I relish it as much as you obviously should do
Banging you up the list of the apprehended as these redwatch MI agents would obviously wish
Tony is first in line to be demonised, imprisoned, messed over, from the truth movement. It's already happened once
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Here's some more incisive genius from Hurry Up Harry!

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I have various problems with this recent episode.

1. Anonymous Journalist called 'ratbiter' and Eugene Byrne of Bristol's Venue magazine were both told, presumably by national GP, that I was about to be suspended before I was told anything.

2. I was supporting Bristol parents, Muslim and others who didn't want their seven year olds 'educated' with thes picture books portraying gay relationships. They had just run a sucessful protest outside 2 primary schools to have the books removed as there had been no consultation with parents.

3. The Green Party policy says nothing about sexuality in primary school education and this initial suspension and the publicity it's generated assumes that it is Green Party policyto allow gay rights campaigns into primary schools. At an age where I would argue they (and all sex education) has absolutely no place, hence my using the strong tem 'gay mafia'. It is simply lazy thinking to assume that gay rights extends into all walks of life - even children as young as six. And that gay rights campaigners can 'do no wrong'.

4. 2 weeks after the first press call my local party, Bristol West, still haven't asked me anything about the business. All this bad publicity could have been avoided if the party had talked to me before the press. It's as if the party, in the person of External Communications maestro Tracy Deighton-Brown, were only too happy to fall upon its sword.

5. The pieces are both based on an anonymous blog piece by 'Harry' who the previous week had penned this utter dross about the UK's top civil liberties campaigner.
http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/06/19/*-off-shami-chakrabarti/

6. My local party have accused me of telling Muslim News that I was a current Green Party Candidate which I wasn't, to my knowledge, and certainly didn't.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the way combat 18 post your address.
Shouldn't we have a similar dedicated thread for wanted criminals, conspirators, shameless shills and cover up artists?
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Is Private Eye's 'Ratbiter' Paul Stott and/or Larry O'Hara?
Both now suspended from this forum.

If this is the case should we invite one or other or both back?

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Here are the replies in today's Private Eye to last week's hit piece.

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Sir,
Concerning Ratcatcher's (sic) Nazis and homophobes under the bed piece attacking the Green Party, it was I who helped persuade a majority of the party conference to support a call for a new investigation into the 9/11 attacks. None of the people he attacks were present.
Ratcatcher was clearly not present either. Ratcatcher forgot to mention the only argument that anyone actually raised: that the facts don 't fit the official 9/11 story and many in the US including the US Green Party are supporting the call to reinvestigate 9/11. Having done many months work researching and writing a book on the subject (when I could have earned much more money running my coffee business) I find it a little irritating that instead of checking the facts on the 9/11 attacks, which as you will recall "changed everything" (every pro-Washington media outlet) and made Washington s pre-planned Iraq war a reality, you prefer to run "political analysis" on the Green Party, fuelled presumably over a few invigorating jars at the local hostelry.
By the way, I am not a Nazi or a homophobe, just an old-fashioned left of centre guy who distrusts Washington and the CIA. So are most people in the 9/11 Truth movement.
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'Ratbiter ' is stretching the bounds of reason and logic to breaking point by implying that a couple of ex-Green Party members who are now in the BNP and one or two conspiracy theorists in the ranks means that the Green Party can trace a direct line of descent from the Nazis. Infact the whole piece was a farrago of snide insinuation and sixth-form debating society ad hominem arguments.
You might like to know that the Tony Gosling mentioned in the piece has also been a local representative for the National Union of Journalists - presumably, using Ratbiter s logic, this means that all journalists are also Nazis, including, er... 'Ratbiter'!
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I fear that Ratbiter may have caused Tony Gosling to be confused with someone else of the same name (Green Grow The Bigots, 0 - Eye 1224). The Tony Gosling who says of the blatantly faked Protocols of the Elders of Zion that "their authenticity has never been entirely proven or disproven" obviously applies very rigorous standards of proof indeed. He cannot be the same as the avowedly christian, ex-BBC, "investigative journalist" who plays such a prominent part in the 9/11 "truth" movement. In those circles any little wisp of circumstantial fluff is hailed as "evidence ", if not "proof", of something or other. No aircraft were crashed into the twin towers, you understand, they were merely holograms.
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I like the way combat 18 post your address.
Shouldn't we have a similar dedicated thread for wanted criminals, conspirators, shameless shills and cover up artists?


OK, so not the most popular idea ever expressed?
Would there be a problem with a thread like this? I can understand if people feel that this is not the place for it, if you know of a better place you can let me know.
I just feel that the perpetrators of the crimes against humanity that are so often discussed here feel no fear whatsoever. Ok, we discuss them but who are they really? And where are they? Who is at the top of the pile?
Are we going to see civil unrest here like we have in Greece at the moment? If we do, I'm sure that the people that are really the cause of all this will watch from afar and laugh while the hordes throw stones at sheep in uniforms.
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If you want a snicker, you could read the many lampoons on O'Hara written by the ever-shifting collective that calls itself "Stewart Home". For a start, try this one:
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Much of the Redwatch network of websites seems presently to be down - except my page of course.

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dont think the BNP will have you either Tony. Very Happy


Given the BNP's current rejection of overt anti-semtism, probably not no.

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I said once before Tony that Stott was an asset
I'll withdraw that now as circumstances become more dire
He's just a tiresome sucker of no value whatsoever, whether he or Larry are or are not Private Eye columnists
We can always have a look at these idiots' antics on their nonsense websites
If they've got some secret brass, then that will be hoovered up shortly
If they're skint and in the least bit genuine, they'll be drawn to the Greek model in the near future
It's getting a bit sick that we have to entertain these critics and their liberal old paradigm meme promoters in the establishment media
It's more use trying to woo the Combat 88ers, though I agree with none of their aims either
At least they've got the message that there's something seriously wrong, though their mental illness is likely to take them down also if they don't learn to ease up
I've gone from eternal optimist to rather pessinmist in recent times, the way things are going, and accept that two thirds of the worlds population is going down within the next very few years
Let's hope it's the skeptics, the cynics, the artificial anarchists, the beligerent fascists and haters, the subservient and totally entranced
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I guess he sees it as a power game - look I can get my bs into Private Eye while you can't get the truth about London Underground privatisation into the hands of the Israeli Defence Force Engineers (Daniel Bodner) into Private Eye. A playground prank.

Well it's irritating, but not in the least unexpected considering the vast racist corporate world war three machine behind him.
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Just been breezing through my final emails to the Bristol Green Party List before I was blocked.

They were on the folly of conjestion charging and how much money companies like Crapita were making at the game.

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Harry’s Place and the BNP – Know the difference? There isn’t one
Tuesday, 11 May 2010 17:30 Added by PT Editor Omar Ghraieb
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UK, May 11, (Pal Telegraph – By Peter Eyre) After my last response to Harry’s place I was hoping that they would again go on the attack but suddenly for some strange reason they remain silent. Could it be that they are not in a position to respond or do not have the technical background to discuss my comments. It’s truly very very sad because it’s good to debate, especially when this group of bullies just kept attacking anything that moves or anyone who reads the Qur'an.



It actually didn’t take long to find out a little more about these Zionist intimidators that operate a cloak and dagger operation against anyone that talks out against Israel. So its time to play the same game that they play and at the same time expose them and who they actually work for.

Head of the establishment and registered owner of the blog is the notorious David T who’s real name is David S Toube. This top of the league intimidator is a lawyer by profession and can be found at the London offices of Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP, City Place House, 55 Basinghall Street, London EC2V 5EH. I am sure if any of those that have been intimidated or bullied by this low life can certainly contact him via 020 7614 2200 or why not email him dtoube@cgsh.com and don’t forget to greet him with Shalom (שָׁלוֹם).

The company portfolio reads as follows: The corporate practice includes mergers and acquisitions (both public and private). It also has significant experience in private equity transactions (both public and private), joint venture and outsourcing work, corporate reorganizations and restructurings. Our lawyers work on both U.S. and English law transactions and frequently work with colleagues in our U.S. and European offices on large cross-border deals. Our clients include major corporations, private equity houses and financial institutions.

It is extremely hard to understand why such a well recognized international legal company would hire someone, who must surely spend most of his time writing articles and insulting anything Arabic or Islamic. Does his company monitor his performance? One would imagine that his productivity on legal matters must fall well short of expectations as he spends most of the time on Harry’s Blog.

One would normally associate a company such as Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton as having only the best lawyers under their roof but obviously sometimes there is an exception to the rule.

David Toube not only attacks the Palestine Telegraph but is also one of the main instigators of Islamaphobia in the UK. He frequently also attacks the BNP, when in actual fact it is a fine line between Harry’s Place and the BNP as both groups are full of racial hatred. There is no place in this country for the likes of both David Toube and his twin brother Nick Griffin. If I was the CEO of this well respected company I would immediately remove him from my staff for bringing the good name of the company into disrepute.

David Toube has a long history of harassment going back some years and what is so amazing about this imbecile is the fact that he is extremely critical of what he considers to be Islamic Ranters……….so my dear readers it is time to start taking off your shoes and start throwing them at his companies premises…..can you imagine the impact?

Whilst talking about ranting…..take a look at David himself ranting on at a meeting that he gate crashed. This is a typical, off his brain, Zionist that simply cannot take no for an answer….enjoy:

http://en.kendincos.net/video-llnlnrh-islamophobic-rant-by-cleary-gott lieb-lawyer-david-toube.html

For my part being ex Military Intel, maybe David Toube is acting as an agent for the Israel Government or Mossad. Having observed his mannerisms and his ranting I would really consider him more of a liability or security risk than an operative. When such a person, by his writing and mouthing off, attracts criticism, the whole ball game changes. As they say in England “Let sleeping dogs lie.” It is clear to me (with my background) that anyone who challenges comments made in a paper and who do not themselves have technical/professional ability to explain why are a danger and embarrassment to whom they represent. Instead of being an asset to Israel or the company they represent they become a liability.

David Toube shot himself in the foot when he challenged me on two issues:

The IDF use of weapons containing uranium components in Gaza.

The attempt by Israel to acquire Gaza vast offshore gas reserves

We are all professionals in our own areas of expertise and it was clear that David Toube was in dangerously deep water and that the topic on hand was clearly above his mental capacity.

A flat mate of his passed an extremely good reference for him when he stated the following “

I lived in a Montefiore Hall flat with David Toube in the first year of his undergraduate degree course at Southampton University. He has always been opinionated. Last thing I heard somebody had punched him on the nose at the graduation ball. He seemed to play devil's advocate too much. I would say he was an intellectual bully too.

I am sure that we can dig much deeper into other members of Harry’s Place if they choose to continue to attack the Palestine Telegraph or continue to insult Islam…..remember dear David T “What goes around comes around”……just get back into your box and close the lid….would be even better if that box was a coffin!!

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WHAT UTTER SHYSTERS THE MAIL ARE!
IT'S THE OLD ANTI SEMITIC LIBEL AGAIN
LAWYERS WILL HAVE ADVISED THEM I WON'T TAKE THEM TO COURT
THEY BETTER THINK AGAIN!

The 9/11 cranks
Some members have an ingrained anti-Western mentality. This is graphically reflected in their enthusiasm for the ‘Truther’ movement, which holds that the destruction of the Twin Towers on 9/11 was actually committed not by Al Qaeda but by George W. Bush’s government to provide a pretext for the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Green candidate Martin Deane, from Hull, asked whether 9/11 was ‘the greatest show on earth’, expressing his belief that ‘there is culpable U.S. Government complicity in the events’.
Bristol journalist Tony Gosling is a former Green party candidate whose obsession with 9/11 has often spilled over into anti-semitism.
He once said he had ‘an open mind’ about the authenticity of the infamous 1903 text, The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion which purports to be a Zionist plot for world domination which was taken up by Hitler — even though it was demonstrably proved to be a hoax in 1933.
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WHAT UTTER SHYSTERS THE MAIL ARE!
IT'S THE OLD ANTI SEMITIC LIBEL AGAIN
LAWYERS WILL HAVE ADVISED THEM I WON'T TAKE THEM TO COURT
THEY BETTER THINK AGAIN!

Okay - no evidence for "obsession with 9/11 has often spilt over to anti-Semitism"

Like where?

Won't be distracted from this, the heart of the lie.
Lies can make or break elections.

Just for the record - my views haven't changed much about the 99% certain fake protocols - and my professional journalistic scepticism does not an anti Semite make even once.
My feeling about the timing of this libel is pretty clear. Having just circulated on many of the email lists I'm on a copy of the article 9/11, Israel DID it: all the proof in the world.

CoE investigates London vicar for link to 'Israel Did 9/11'
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31052648

It's an article I (obviously) didn't write but I consider adds much to the analysis of what really happened on 9/11.
It's not an anti Semitic article. Would be difficult to find anything in it that a jury might consider on the balance of probabilities was anti Semitic.
Again almost all this seems to be about conflating Anti Zionism with Anti Semitism, conflating Jewishness with Israel.

George Galloway: dangerous Zionism = Judaism game - BBC Question Time Finchley (05Feb15)

Link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-BVGlf3mdk

David Irving possibly worth reading to 'know your enemy' a neo-Nazi surely?

So, spot the anti-Semitism...
More than happy to defend my views anywhere the Mail want.
But would be much more fun to force them to do the same.

The vile rhetoric of Leo McKinstry
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Quote:
It was the wikispooks version Stephen Sizer linked to
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9-11/Israel did it
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When an event occurs that that fundamentally changes the dynamics of global geopolitics, there is one question above all others whose answer will most assuredly point to its perpetrators. That question is "Cui bono?" If those so indicted are in addition found to have had both motive and means then, as they say in the US, it's pretty much a 'slam-dunk'.
And so it is with the events of 9/11.
Discounting the 'Official narrative' as the absurdity it so clearly is, there are just two organisations on the entire planet with the expertise, assets, access and political protection necessary to have both executed 9/11 and effected its cover-up to date (ie the means). Both are Intelligence Agencies - the CIA and Israel's Mossad whose motives were arguably the most compelling. Those motives dovetailed perfectly with the Neocon PNAC agenda, with it's explicitly stated need for "...a catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor" [1] in order to mobilise US public opinion for already planned wars, the effects of which would be to destroy Israel's enemies.
This article marshals evidence for the proposition that "Israel did it".
Contents [hide]
1 Acknowledgments
2 Control of World Trade Center Complex
2.1 Four key Zionist Network assets
2.2 WTC Security In Zionist Hands
2.2.1 Pre-Knowledge of Anthrax Mailings
2.2.2 Who Killed John O'Neil?
2.3 Airport Security In Israeli Hands
3 Prior Knowledge
3.1 Gomel Chesed Cemetery Incident
3.2 Israeli Citizens Get Tipped Off
3.3 Anomalous trading in the Securities Markets
3.4 Other forewarnings
4 Mossad connections
4.1 U.S. Army Study: On Mossad
4.2 Israeli espionage around 9/11
4.3 After 9/11 – More detentions of Israelis
4.4 Five Dancing Israelis
4.5 "We are not your problem"?
4.6 Truck Bomb Destined for George Washington Bridge
4.7 Mural Van
4.8 Urban Moving Systems
4.9 Israeli Intelligence and P-tech
4.9.1 Ptech Software systems – computer control backdoor
4.10 MITRE corporation (computer software)
4.11 Precision guided plane?
4.12 Rabbi Dov Zakheim and Systems Planning Corporation
5 The US Military Knows Israel did it
5.1 Zionism and Treason
6 Cover Up
6.1 9/11 Investigation in Zionist Hands
6.2 All appointed chief judges were Zionist Jews:
6.3 9/11 Commission: Zionist controlled
6.4 Crime Scene Evidence Quickly Removed and Destroyed
7 Zionist 9/11 Personalities
7.1 Zionist Jews in all the Right Positions!
8 Who was on board flight 11?
9 Bush Speech Writers Grossly Inflate Number of Israeli Casualties
9.1 Who was Bush's Speechwriter?
10 Mohammed Atta Leads Us Directly To Jewish Crime Network Doorstep
11 Al Qaida = Mossad Playing Dress Up
12 Netanyahu Openly Gleeful of 9/11 Terror Attacks
13 Likely Architect of 9/11
14 Connected Events Lead to Israel
14.1 Zionist would-be terrorist incident at the Mexican Congress Building
15 Quotes From Prominent People
15.1 Former Italian President agrees, says Mossad did 9/11
15.2 Former Pakistani ISI Director Says it was Mossad
16 Related Documents
17 See Also
18 References
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Israel Under Fire (Facebook)
Leo McKinstry from the UK:

"Israel is a bulwark of ­civilisation against Islamism. Ultimately we will pay a terrible price if we betray this heroic nation."
"In practice denouncing the Jewish state means siding with the malevolent, murderous forces of jihadism, a stance that not only represents a complete inversion of morality but a ­suicidal disdain for the interests of western civilisation."

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These hatchet jobs have come out on my Birthday in the past of at Christmas
But this is a new focus - on the tenth anniversary of 7/7
I'm one of the handful of journalists to really investigate the case that government, police and MI5 were involved in 7/7


Russia Today Has an Illuminati Correspondent. Really.
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KREMLIN TV07.08.151:05 AM ET Adam Holland

No, seriously. He lives in England and thinks they’re everywhere.
In the aftermath of the French Revolution, many supporters of the ancien régime convinced themselves that the revolution had been carried out by secret cells within the Freemasons called the Illuminati. This belief was popularized in two widely read books published in 1798, Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism by Abbé Augustin Barruel and Proofs of a Conspiracy Against all the Religions and Governments of Europe by John Robison.

The idea of a secret society undermining institutions for nefarious purposes provided the template for future conspiracy theories, and conspiracy theories involving Freemasons in particular continued to have considerable influence. In the 19th century, the ideas promoted in those books played a role in the creation of the United States' first third party, the Anti-Masonic Party. In France, they were widely believed among conservatives, and were promoted in Catholic schools and in the popular press. In the 20th century, opponents of the modern banking system found these conspiracy theory useful, as did the Nazis, the John Birch Society, and Hamas.

In targeting an adversary whose presence was widespread but whose activities were secret, the authors of these theories found a perfect scapegoat: one which was adaptable to almost any issue, and whose hidden hand could be blamed for any problem.

So it makes perfect sense that RT, Russia’s state-run news service aimed primarily at non-Russian audiences, employs a reporter who specializes in uncovering the hidden role the Illuminati plays in world affairs. His name is Tony Gosling.

Gosling writes a column for the RT website and frequently appears on RT’s broadcast channels, where he is presented as an investigative journalist, historian or social justice activist. In fact, he is none of those things. He is an arch-traditionalist adherent of the brand of conspiracy theory which he gets directly from Barruel and Robson’s books on the Illuminati (as he admits here and here), as well as from other pseudo-historical sources including the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. (Gosling writes in contradictory terms about the Protocols, claiming that they aren’t anti-Semitic, have never been proven false and are worthy of study for what they say about Zionism, even while admitting in the same column that they are “almost certainly fake.”)

The bio accompanying Gosling’s RT columns claims that he worked in the aviation industry, was “trained by the BBC,” and describes him as “a British land rights activist, historian [and] investigative radio journalist. Over the last 20 years he has been exposing the secret power of the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) and élite Bilderberg Conferences where the dark forces of corporations, media, banks and royalty conspire to accumulate wealth and power through extortion and war.”

While the nature of his work in aviation and for the BBC are unclear, his c.v. is accurate with respect to his decades working to expose the hidden hand of a shadowy elite which is behind much of the world’s evils. A resident of Bristol, England, Gosling is best known locally for having been expelled from the local branch of the Green Party for making statements condemning what he sees as gay indoctrination of schoolchildren. His concern with Freemasonry seems to have started with his investigation of his hometown's Bristol Freemasons Hall. He has gone so far as to publish on a local activists’ website called Bristol Indymedia extensive photographs and notes he took during tours of the Bristol Freemasons Hall, along with his conclusion that six-pointed stars in the its carpets implicate the Masons in a Zionist plan to dominate the world. Gosling found similar evidence in the Freemasons’ use of a seven-stick candelabra, and in other purportedly Hebraic aspects of the Masons’ occult imagery.

Where in his previous decades of investigating such matters Gosling relied on barely read websites, RT has in recent years provided him with both a regular column published on its own site, and frequent on-air interviews. This gives Gosling an international forum in which he can expound on his ideas about the Freemasons and Illuminati, such as the signs of an international conspiracy in the interior design choices made by his local Masonic Temple, which he explored in a column for RT called “Freemasonry: ‘the firm within the firm.’”

Gosling’s thesis is that the British royal family are involved in a nefarious international conspiracy because the interior design of his local masonic hall is too Jewish.”
In that column, Gosling writes, “Masons certainly hold strong beliefs about Western influences in the Holy Land. Those of the higher degrees privately profess a ‘fundamentalist’ fervor for Zionism… Indeed even in Bristol’s windowless ‘Royal Arch’ Masonic Temple, the furnishings are embossed throughout with golden Israeli ‘Star of David’ emblems...” Could Gosling actually be unaware of the fact that the use of six-pointed stars by Jews, Freemasons, and many other groups predated Zionism by millennia?

He goes on to criticize his local MP for failing, he says, to make public a list of Bristol’s Freemasons after Gosling demanded that he do so. He says the public has a right to know whether government employees are part of the masonic conspiracy because “as a secret establishment club, Freemasonry rightly rings alarm bells. By seizing only a handful of key positions in the criminal justice system, like any unscrupulous interest, it could corrupt the entire caboodle. The other nerve-jangling concern is that Freemasonry’s ‘Don’ just happens to be a little too close to one the top figures in Britain’s military and judicial chain-of-command; UGLE’s Grand Master, Prince Michael of Kent, is Queen Elizabeth II’s cousin.” (UGLE is the United Grand Lodge of England, the governing body for England’s Freemasons, in case you’re wondering.)

So Gosling’s thesis is that the British royal family are involved in a nefarious international conspiracy because the interior design of his local masonic hall is too Jewish.

Gosling may not be a historian in the traditional sense: He has no degree in history, nor has he taught it or written a book about it. He does, however, devote much of his time to distorting history, both on his voluminous website, on RT, and in numerous other video interviews on outlets such as Iran’s Press TV.

Earlier this year, Gosling reported for RT on the G7 summit in Bavaria, a subject which the Russian network covered heavily because of the prominent role issues relating to Russia played there, given the repercussions of the ongoing conflict in Ukraine. While this might have been an opportunity to break out of his comfort zone and report on a major event, Gosling stayed true to form, saying that the G7 locale was chosen as a convenience for the Bavarian Illuminati. That unusual observation passed by without comment by his interviewer, who was perhaps aware of Gosling’s idiosyncratic area of expertise.

In December, 2014, Gosling was interviewed on RT concerning why the Western media reports about Russia’s economic problems. He concluded that this was done as part of a shadowy elite’s campaign of economic warfare against Russia. Asked in another RT interview to comment on allegations that London police improperly used the names of dead children in carrying out investigations, Gosling replied, “it’s almost like Scotland Yard is being run like some kind of secret cult, and we’ve got to break that cult if we're going to have justice and we’re going to have decent, fair policing.” Although he didn’t name the cult, it isn’t difficult to see which one he had in mind.

Interviewed on RT in November 2014 about the root causes of the violence in Ferguson, Missouri, Gosling blamed “a criminal elite” within the U.S. government who were trying to start a race war. He went on to claim that the same elite group was also behind the assassination of Martin Luther King and the Manson Family murders.

While Gosling’s columns on RT’s website sometimes have a reasonable-sounding premise, such as one advocating that MI5, Britain’s domestic intelligence arm, stop spying on religious organizations (“MI5 must get out and stay out of our Places of Worship”), their content is typically a web of bizarre, unrelated assertions. That column in particular leads off by claiming without evidence that Abu Hamza, the violence-advocating former imam of London's Finsbury Park Mosque now serving a life year sentence for promoting terrorism, was a covert agent working for the British government. Reading on, one learns that “the fingerprints of Britain’s intelligence agencies...are likely to be found at the scenes of all post-9/11 terror attacks in the UK,” and that this government campaign to frame Muslims is analogous to the Third Reich’s treatment of Jews before the Holocaust.

Gosling goes on to state that the 7/7 London Tube bombings were carried out by Britain’s foreign intelligence service, MI6, although, as usual, he doesn’t even try to substantiate that allegation. Changing subjects, he asserts (again without citing a single source) that the CIA used money stolen from Nazi Germany to set up Jim Jones’s People’s Temple, and that the Jonestown Massacre was a CIA covert op designed to silence Congressman Leo Ryan’s criticisms of U.S. intelligence agencies.

From there, he abruptly segues into an argument that the murderers of Royal Fusiliers drummer Lee Rigby, who was beheaded by jihadists last year, acted at the behest of MI5, and that those who investigated the crime were in on the conspiracy.

Gosling concludes that intelligence agencies routinely use clerics or phony clerics to convince innocent believers to commit terrorist acts, and helpfully advises his readers “if you are approached by a dodgy spook or cleric, consider carefully whether you have the confidence to go to the press but meanwhile draw up a short sharp statement of fact, an affidavit, and, if appropriate take it straight to your local civil police”.

This dovetails nicely with his belief that Western intelligence agencies have assassinated pretty much everyone of note in the past half-century—former Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme, Congolese independence leader Patrice Lumumba, Princess Diana, Dr. David Kelly (the British weapons expert), UK politician Robin Cook, John Smith (Tony Blair’s predecessor as leader of the Labour party), Yasser Arafat, Slobodan Milosevic, Hugo Chavez, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Bob Marley, John Lennon, and Michael Jackson. All were killed by “forces lurking in the unaccountable grey areas of the NATO countries’ military intelligence services.”

In another RT column, Gosling argues that Norwegian mass-murderer Anders Brevik was assisted by co-conspirators in the upper echelons of the Norwegian police and media. Gosling apparently bases this claim on the fact that Brevik had been photographed in masonic attire. In a column condemning British responses to Muslim extremism, Gosling argues that anti-extremist Muslim groups secretly work for (of course) the Bilderberg Group, via the Council for Foreign Relations, which, he claims, is merely a Bilderberg front. Other RT columns find him in prophetic mode, such as one which blames “the same nasty cult” that secretly runs the Bilderberg Group and NATO—by which Gosling clearly means the Illuminati—for the Holocaust, 9/11, and the Iraq War. He warns that the Illuminati are planning an apocalyptic war between “Zionists and Jihadis.”

So why does RT bother with him?

Leaving aside that the network has aired “experts” who, when the camera aren’t rolling moonlight as neo-Nazis or believe the Pope is from outer space and has stolen all the gold from Fort Knox, there’s a purpose to having an Illuminati correspondent on hand. Russia is engaged in a concerted information warfare campaign against the West, designed, as the former Soviet campaign was, to cultivate distrust of the Western or “mainstream” media. An obsession with Freemasonry and the Illuminati is the ur-conspiracy theory; unlike Holocaust denial or 9/11 trutherism (two other well-trod topics at RT), this one can appeal to a large and diverse demographic. The alleged victims of this global elite are white, black, Muslim, Jewish, and Christian, after all. And the perpetrators are everywhere. That’s the best part: No one but Gosling can be trusted because everyone else is potentially in thrall to the Illuminati.



Washington Post wrote:

Confessions of an American Illuminati
RT has an Illuminati correspondent, so I guess the jig is up on the great American conspiracy that secretly runs the world.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/07/09/confessions -of-an-american-illuminati/

By Daniel W. Drezner July 9
Daniel W. Drezner is a professor of international politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University and a regular contributor to PostEverything.

Traders work on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange at the close of the day after trading was paused for nearly four hours due to a “technical glitch” on July 8 in New York City. (Spencer Platt/Getty Images)
As a fully paid-up member of the British-American Project, Council on Foreign Relations and the Evil League of Evil, I haven’t been this upset since that documentary “Capricorn One” was released in the 1970s.

You have to understand: The plan was working perfectly. The European Union is tearing itself apart over Greece. China’s stock market is melting down and China’s government seems powerless to stop it. The edifice of Vladimir Putin’s power structure in Russia gets shakier and shakier with each passing day. It’s not like the rest of the BRICS are doing that great, either.

And no one knew that the Plunge Protection Team/Trilateral Commission/Legion of Doom was secretly behind all the madness in a plan provided to us by the Underpants Gnomes to make a huge profit. Oh, sure, Vox’s Amanda Taub quoted a former opposition politician in Russia jokingly asserting, “the whole of power in Russia belongs to Putin, but the whole of responsibility for Russian problems belongs to Obama.” But no one believed that guy. China has been crying “hostile foreign forces” a lot recently, but no one in the Chinese educated classes really believed that assertion.

With no one the wiser, it seemed that the American Illuminati/Freemasons/Stonecutters master plan to simultaneously sabotage every other great power on the planet was finally coming to fruition. And then … Russia Today had to go and find an Illuminati correspondent:

RT, Russia’s state-run news service aimed primarily at non-Russian audiences, [has a contributor] who specializes in uncovering the hidden role the Illuminati plays in world affairs. His name is Tony Gosling.

Gosling writes a column for the RT website and frequently appears on RT’s broadcast channels, where he is presented as an investigative journalist, historian or social justice activist. In fact, he is none of those things. He is an arch-traditionalist adherent of the brand of conspiracy theory which he gets directly from … pseudo-historical sources including the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. …

Where in his previous decades of investigating such matters Gosling relied on barely read websites, RT has in recent years provided him with both a regular column published on its own site, and frequent on-air interviews. This gives Gosling an international forum in which he can expound on his ideas about the Freemasons and Illuminati.

Great. Just great. We were this close to pulling off the Master Plan, and then RT had to go and sign up the one guy who would find out about the Illuminati!! Do any of you readers outside of Opus Dei/Bilderburg/Mugatu have any idea just how blasted’ hard it is to manage an actual conspiracy? How many moving parts there are to it? All it takes is one plucky, incredibly paranoid and anti-Semitic reporter to take down the entire cabal.

Oh, sure, we tried to cover their tracks. I, for one, thought it was pretty clever to try to suggest that the United States was under attack by combining attacks on the New York Stock Exchange and United Airlines. Made it seem like the United States was also a victim of some sinister SPECTRE-like conspiracy.

We had hoped that this would throw Gosling off the scent. But first, Felix Salmon saw through that ruse and pointed out the many excellent reasons why this was all a tempest in a teapot (I knew the Illuminati should have accepted his membership application last year). Then some stupid flunkie got greedy and tried to bring Ariana Grande into things, and there’s no way that her badly-typed apology will fool someone dedicated to showing who really runs the world: a tight-knit clan of Rothschilds and Kochs and BuzzFeed interns.

In retrospect, I don’t think it was RT that was responsible for the whole conspiracy falling apart. No, there were deeper forces at work: the global erosion of trust in public institutions, the persistence of conspiracy theories regardless of pushback efforts, the growth of conspiracy-fueled narratives like Mr. Robot, and, of course, Donald Trump’s truth-telling existence. Us conspirators got cocky. Maybe jerry-rigging Carli Lloyd’s “miraculous” goal from midfield was the final straw of hubris.

Well, the jig is up now. It’s all true: It’s time to call together all the members of Skull and Bones, Aspen Strategy Group and the Army of the Twelve Monkeys and turn ourselves in. We had a good ride for centuries. But it’s time for a new secret cabal to run the world. Just keep it as far away from Ariana Grande as possible.

CORRECTION: This post and a quote from a Daily Beast article in it originally incorrectly identified Tony Gosling as an RT employee. In fact, he is a freelance correspondent.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My colleagues have kindly been digging around to have a look at where this Adam Holland chap's coming from...
Turns out he's a paid pro-NATO expansion, more precisely anti-Russian propaganda tool.
This is kind of how it works isn't it. Agents make sure these lies make it out to a massive audience. Other networks just replicate the bs.
How about that?


The Daily Beast is run by 'beastmaster' billionaire Barry Diller who Rupert Murdoch picked to be founding president of Fox TV,
The Beast is owned by IAC

Adam Holland also posted this, check the comments...


http://adamholland.blogspot.com.ar/2014/03/ron-paul-institute-issues-u kraine.html
Thanks for the link - an interesting article
I assume you agree with it as you offer no alternative interpretation.
Here's another one for you - this time from Ron Paul himself. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-05/ron-paul-warns-reckless-congr ess-just-declared-war-russia

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The resolution (paragraph 13) demands a withdrawal of Russia forces from Ukraine even though the US government has provided no evidence the Russian army was ever in Ukraine. This paragraph also urges the government in Kiev to resume military operations against the eastern regions seeking independence
Unquote

Do you support military operations against regions seeking independence?
Sunday, December 07, 2014


Adam Holland is just a tool, and not a very clever one
His anti Russian propaganda site is financed by the Herzenn foundation



http://www.ukraine.com/forums/politics/16016-anti-russian-propaganda-s ite.html

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Anti-Russian Propaganda Site
Often quoted on these forums is the site The Interpreter.
I took a few minutes to have a look at this site.

From the site itself
Quote:The Interpreter, which was launched in 2013, was made possible by a seed grant from the London-based Herzen Foundation and a grant from the New York-based Institute of Modern Russia, of which the journal is a special project.

The Herzen Foundation icon, recently removed from the Interpreter page, leads us to http://www.herzen.org.uk/index.html which is a dead link.
In the Wayback Machine site the Herzen Foundation in London existed online in May 2013. So apparently, the org. no longer exists in Britain. This is the introduction to their long-lost site.
Quote: Herzen Foundation is a United Kingdom charity trust organisation operating under the umbrella of CAF (Charities Aid Foundation)
The Foundation was established in 2011 with the main objective to support democratic transformation of Russia.
It is named after Aleksandr Ivanovich Herzen (1812–1870) a prominent Russian pro-western writer and thinker who has spent a large part of his life in exile in the UK. His autobiography “My Past and Thoughts” was one of the transformational books of his era in Russia. Herzen was largely responsible for creating the political climate in Russia, which lead to the emancipation of the serfs in 1861.

Thus, we see the founder was an Aleksandr Ivanovich Herzen who Wikipedia calls the "father of Russian socialism". It is also noted there is a Herzen Foundation in the Netherlands.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Herzen
Quote: Although a self-avowed Russian socialist Herzen was not adverse to getting close to James de Rothschild and his "the big money". Rothschild helped him (a socialist remember) a lot with his capitalist ventures.

For ref see: Toronto Slavic Quarterly: Derek Offord - Alexander Herzen and James de Rothschild

As mentioned in the introduction the other org. which supports The Interpreter is the....
Institute of Modern Russia .
The Institute of Modern Russia (IMR) is a nonprofit, nonpartisan public policy organization—a think tank based in New York. IMR's mission is to foster democratic and economic development in Russia through research, advocacy, public events, and grant-making.

According to Karel van Wolferen
Quote: "Foreign-funded think tanks do not exist for thinking, but for peddling policies in line with the beliefs of the funders that they, not wanting to learn from recent experience, dogmatically assume are good for anyone at any time."

We next see that the president of this org. is none other than PAVEL KHODORKOVSKY, the son of the criminal Mikhail Khodorkovsky, the notorious Jewish Russian oligarch who was imprisoned by Vladimir Putin for a decade or more. No doubt the son, like the father, hates Putin's guts which sort of explains why he seeks to blame modern Russia wherever he can.

So what do we know?
- Putin has freed Russia of some of the worst excesses of oligarchs like Khodorkovsky who made their stash by devious means at the time of Yeltsin.
- Very recently another one of these unsavoury types Vladimir Yevtushenkov has been house arrested.
- Though not a Russian there is another one Yulia Tymoshenko.
- Coincidence, oligarchs in Russia and Ukraine who don't like Putin.
- Khodorkovsky & Tymoshenko always got lots of sympathetic coverage in the Western media about political repression in Russia. (I wonder why? ) Most probably Yevtushenkov will get sympathetic Western coverage too.
- BTW Khodorkovsky has also got a website detailing his meddling in eastern politics. Maybe he wants to be the next Kremlin chef. LOL

My nose detects a rather evil smell of organizations founded by Russian exiles with an axe to grind who attempt to politically destabilize Russia. Why is it that one member of the forum is continuously feeding us a dirge of anti-Russian propaganda from The Interpreter?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:09 pm    Post subject: Who is Adam Holland? Reply with quote

I have just read the ''Daily Beast' blog by pro-zionist blogger Adam Holland. within which he made a very cheap attempt to character assassinate the legitimate work of Tony Gosling.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/08/russia-today-has-an-i lluminati-correspondent-really.html


It did cross my mind that the anti Russia movement must be getting rather desperate to use such bloggers, who appear to have no formal media or research training. I find it incredible that they could attempt to insult the intelligence of the public to such an extent! But then again, who would and who are reading Hollands blogs?
I had never heard of him, until after having my attention drawn to this unfounded and vicious attack on Gosling, I therefore decided to spend a couple of my sunday afternoon hours amusing myself looking at this rabid bloggers blogs ..

But who is Gosling?

Holland in his recent rant, suggests Gosling is not even a legitimate journalist! which is laughable, even though Holland refers to Goslings frequent appearances on RT as a legitimate correspondent. Holland has also failed to notice Gosling was elected by the NUJ (National Association of Journalists) to their National Ethics Council, and I believe at some point a very active NUJ Union shop steward. While Holland states Gosling is not a journalist let alone a professional accredited Journalist (a requirement of British journalistic Unions as they issue police recognised press/security credentials and passes.) Holland has ignored something which must have made Gosling a target by the zionist bloggers in the first place. Gosling was instrument to a NUJ initiative working with the Campaign Against Criminalising Communities to discuss omissions and inaccuracies in media coverage of ‘terror incidents’ in order to develop Guidelines To Reporting Terrorism.” Subsequently Gosling was commissioned to write material/ booklets for the NUJ on this important topic..


Holland even tries to pull the stale (quash the dissent) 'tag' conspiracy theorist number on Ron Paul

http://adamholland.blogspot.com.ar/

Wednesday, March 26, 2014 (Adam Holland Blog)
Ron Paul Institute issues Ukraine conspiracy theory
"By installing a puppet regime in Ukraine, the US Empire (intended to) gain control over Crimea and, by implication, Russia’s longtime military bases in Crimea."
Read the rest here: Ukraine and the Deferential Press



What I can glean is that Holland is on a mission to shoot down anyone that is critical of Israel or supportive of Russia. Yet he is very sensitive when the tables are turned on him and anyone that can accuse the BDS of writing ''hateful tracts'' can only be delusional or on a deliberate mission to mislead his blog readers.

(see here) http://adamholland.blogspot.com.ar/2014/03/presbyterian-anti-israel-pu blication.html

For those who do not know the BDS: In 2005, due to Israels continuous crimes against humanity with regards to the Palestinian people and the Israeli policed ''death camp'' in Gaza, Palestinian civil society issued a call for a campaign of boycotts, divestment and sanctions (BDS) against Israel until it complies with international law and Palestinian rights.

Holland it seems is obsessed with what he refers to as ''holocaust deniers'' conspiracy theorists'' ''anti-semites'' Islamists'' ''assorted crackpots'' ''haters'' and refers to anti Israel articles as ''outrageous''.

http://adamholland.blogspot.com.ar/2010/01/attack-on-free-speech.html

Such is Holland's fervent pro Israel stance, he even ''guests'' his fellow fanatics rantings on his blog:
'' After all, what more can be said of a man who forwards emails from Holocaust deniers, shares platforms with Holocaust deniers, and shamelessly flaunts his anti-Zionist theology before Iran’s apocalyptic Holocaust-denying regime?''

Holland even attacks supporters of the Green parties;

''No one should take these Greens at face value, as environmentalists, as human rights advocates. These are not the idealistic but practical Greens of Germany. These Green-Rainbow supporters are the stuff that shakes loose and falls out of real political parties. These aren't the campaigners against abuses by any government, regardless of orientation. These are the defenders of the Janjaweed and the Khartoum regime, the enablers of Sudan's Darfur genocide. These are not the Greens who participated in the unmasking of "ex-" Nazis in power in German businesses and corporations. These are the Holocaust deniers, the "anti-Zionist" conspiracy nuts, the ones who know who to blame for everything. Incredibly, some of them even support David Duke.''

http://adamholland.blogspot.com.ar/2007_08_01_archive.html

The irony of all this is that these ''woe is me, the jews are being attacked again'' blogs, smell rather dangerous and emanate from a character who seems exactly like those spying Nazi neighbours in Berlin 1938 circa, who would turn in their Jewish former friends!

But who is Holland? part of the Zionist world policing network? I doubt it for two reasons

1, He is not clever enough
and
2, He is too sensitive. when the tables turn and someone get's his M.O. and responds, he reveals himself to be just another neurotic, hypocritical fanatic, with a desperate need for recognition while fighting a lost cause for a criminal state!

''That bugged me, and I said so in a post that appeared on my blog and at Harry's Place. Silverstein has now responded to my post supporting Rep. Jackson by publishing a blog post which calls me, in Silverstein's very offensive words, "the Negro's greatest friend". He goes on to bizarrely call me "a British Christian" ("keep in mind this guy is British and not Jewish" he writes), and falsely charge that I never write about race or civil rights except as a means of promoting Israeli interests. All that came as news to me. I'm Jewish, American, liberal, and a frequent commenter on racial issues in the U.S. My parents and grandparents were active in the civil rights movement and I consider myself to be proudly in that tradition. Silverstein, knowing virtually nothing about me other than the fact that I had criticized both his racist attack on Jesse Jackson Jr. and his misguided support of violence as a political tool, went so far as to invent an identity for me out of whole cloth, then attacked it.''

and get this part;

''It makes me sad to think that Richard Silverstein used to support peace in the Middle East and oppose the use of racially offensive stereotypes. I wonder what went wrong with him.''

http://adamholland.blogspot.com.ar/2011_08_01_archive.html

If Anyone is interested in wasting any more digital ink on this blogger.
The questions we need to ask are :
Does Holland have a real job? Is he paid to post these blogs? and if so, by whom



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