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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:52 pm    Post subject: Understanding 911 - Does The Holocaust Matter? Reply with quote

Two pupils from every school in England to be sent to Auschwitz in Government-funded visits
ARTHUR MARTIN

Two sixth-formers from every school in England are to go on Government-funded visits to Auschwitz.

The aim is ensure the lessons of Nazi genocide are never forgotten.

Schools Minister Jim Knight wants the chosen teenagers to educate their classmates about the Holocaust when they return.

Each will meet an Auschwitz survivor, be shown around the camp's barracks and crematoria and see the registration documents of inmates and piles of hair, shoes, clothes and other items seized by the Nazis.

Two students from every school in England will visit the Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland to learn about the Holocaust

They will hear first-hand accounts of life in the camp in Poland, where more than a million Jews and other minority groups were put to death. The visit will end with a memorial service for the dead.

The Education Department will set aside £200 towards each student's trip. Schools must find a further £100.

Pilot versions of the scheme have been running since 2006. It will now be on a permanent footing and receive £4.65million funding a year until 2011.

Ministers hope to provide further cash in future if the project is a success.

"The Holocaust was one of the most significant events in world history," Mr Knight said.

"Six million people died, not for what they had done, but simply for who they were. (+ the nazi, racist, state of Israel........elephant + Tatchell in denile come to mind.)

"It was not hot-blooded brutality, it happened in a very planned way, with some people designing the process of death and others carrying it out.

"Every young person should have an understanding of this.

"We want them to see it, not as an isolated period of history, but as something real and something that can happen again and again if we let it, like it has happened since in the Balkans, in Cambodia and in Rwanda."

Students taking part will fly to Poland and back in a day, leaving at 5am and returning at 10pm.

They will go first to Oswiecim, the small town next to Auschwitz, where there was a Jewish community before the Second World War.

They will then see the remains of the gas chambers where the vast majority of victims were murdered.

Before their trips the students will attend a seminar where they will hear from a survivor of the camp.

On their return, they will attend a second seminar to reflect on the experience.

Karen Pollock, chief executive of the Holocaust Education Trust, which is running the visits, said: "We are very aware that there's going to be a time when there aren't any survivors left to go into schools.

"The young people will become eye-witnesses themselves.

"For a lot of them it's life-changing. They suddenly realise what they value and see it is important to challenge prejudice today.

"We don't want young people wandering around the camp and sobbing. It's not about making them cry, it's about helping them to reflect on what it means."

The Holocaust Education Trust has also produced a DVD containing testimonies of survivors, which schools can order.

The DVD, which took four years to develop, features 18 witnesses to the Holocaust and survivors of the associated Nazi eugenics programme including Roma and Sinti gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses and political prisoners.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_artic le_id=512168&in_page_id=1770&in_page_id=1770&expand=true#StartComments

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The Holocaust is the only COMPULSORY theme in school's history.

waste of taxpayer's money...Yet more PC nonsense.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Entitled The Crucifiction of Jews Must Stop this article in the New York Time's refers to six million Jews sacrificed and is dated 1919!
Photocopy of 1919 Transcript

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=5792&Mode=Edit


Has anyone ever read/heard of this before??
ie.. is it authentic?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:41 pm    Post subject: Re: "Compulsive": Zionist Propaganda.! Reply with quote

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Two pupils from every school in England to be sent to Auschwitz in Government-funded visits
ARTHUR MARTIN

Two sixth-formers from every school in England are to go on Government-funded visits to Auschwitz.

The aim is ensure the lessons of Nazi genocide are never forgotten.



The lessons we should have learned from WW2 were forgotten long ago.

This project is not about preventing future genocides (the ongoing US/UK/Israel slaughter of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan and Israel/Palestine is testimony to this)....

......it is about protecting the initiatives of our global masters from criticism by rendering possible critics vulnerable to the much feared charge.....'antisemite'.

It is also about placing all Jews in the firing line as being responsible for their wickedness (this kind of thing has worked successfully in the past.....when did an angry mob ever vent its anger on the bankers?)

While Jews control the media and the battleground is information itself, people are terrified of making any criticism that could be interpreted as anti-jewish.

This holocaust-tripping stuff is very sinister indeed. It is brainwashing of the worst kind.

It is also a strategy that could work out very badly for Jews themselves. Jews need to wake up to this (and many of them seem to be doing so!).


What Henry Makow says in his latest post is right, I think:


The overclass wants us to see it (their effort to take over the world) as a "Jewish problem." This way it can deflect blame onto innocent Jews and then dismiss opposition as "hatred" and "prejudice." The problem is mainly one of money creation (credit) that has led to an untenable concentration of wealth and power a few hands.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why I believe the Jews are lying about the Holocaust

Andrew Winkler, The Rebel Media Group

From time to time I get asked why I believe that the Jews are lying about the Holocaust. After all, if they were it would be such a gigantic lie that - if found out - it would do enormous damage to the Jewish people. Apart from being utterly immoral, why would the Jews take such a big risk?

The 10 Commandments
First of all, I would like to comment on the morality issue. Admittedly, Jews like Christians and Muslim consider lying to be one of the cardinal sins, forbidden by Moses’ 10 commandments. Where Judaism differs from Christianity and Islam though, is in its limitation of the application of those 10 commandments to fellow co-religionists. While some people argue that the Torah (Old Testimony) is still ambiguous on that matter, the Talmud – Judaism’s authoritative interpretation of the Torah - leaves no doubt: Gentiles, are not protected by the ‘Law’. The Talmud literally teaches that Gentiles are subhuman, with rights comparable to those of cattle, created by God for the enrichment and comfort of Jews. From the point of view of many Jews, even though they will rigorously deny that this is the case, it is no sin to deceive, defraud, exploit, enslave, prostitute, torture, kill, as long as the victim is not Jewish. This is precisely the reason why Jews historically have been dominating slave trade and usury. This is also the reason why Jews are dominating up to this day every vice and crime you can make money with: sex slavery, human trafficking, prostitution, drug trade, weapon trade, gambling, you name it. Moral considerations thus wouldn't prevent Jews from lying about the Holocaust.

A history of lies and deception

If it wasn’t for the Jewish control of mainstream media, it would be common knowledge that Jews are constantly lying for financial and political gains. Just a few examples:

Jews deny that they dominate Western media.
Jews deny that they dominate the financial sector.
Jews deny that they control the U.S. government.
Jews deny that the ‘Young Turks’ behind the Armenian genocide were in fact Jewish.
Jews deny that the vast majority of Bolsheviks were Jewish and that the Ukrainian genocide was a Jewish anti-Christian progrom.
Jews deny that the Israeli government has committed numerous false-flag attacks including the attack by the Israeli Airforce on the U.S.S. Liberty
Jews deny that there has ever been human sacrifices of Christian children as part of their Passover ritual.
Jews deny that historic events of the past 100 years follow precisely the blueprint of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, giving credibility to the suggestion that they are genuine and not forgery.
Jews deny the involvement of Israel’s Mossad in the false-flag terrorist attacks on 9/11 and 7/7, and the murder of Princess Diana.
Jews not only vigorously deny those facts, in spite of overwhelming evidence, they do everything in their power to harm or even destroy anyone daring to give them the slightest credibility.

A history of ruthless pursuit of political and financial goals
Jews have a well known history of ruthlessly pursuing their political and financial goals. Just a couple of examples:

The spreading of false rumours about a victory of Napoleon in the battle of Waterloo with the purpose of crashing the London Stock Exchange, enabling the Rothschilds to buy the entire English market for less than 5% of its value.
The creation of World War I and II for the purpose of spreading communism and the creation of the Jews-only state.
The murder of 1.5 million Armenians to enrage Christian Westeners against Turkey in psychological preparation for the destruction of the Ottoman Empire and the creation of the Jews-only state.
The systematic use of torture, ethnic cleansing and extra-judicial killings against the Palestinian people.
The systematic use of lies and deception including false-flag terrorism.
Flimsy evidence and lack of due process
During the series of war crimes tribunals conducted in post-war Germany, it was common practice to admit hearsay evidence. Witnesses of the prosecution could not be cross-examined. Confessions of the defendants were regularly the result of torture, including the crushing of testicles, of mock trials, of threats of handing over family members to the Russians or refusing desperately needed food rations. In the most prominent case of the commander of the Auschwitz concentration camp, the confession was written in English, with no attached translation, in spite of the fact that the commander didn’t know any English.

Hundreds and thousands of nonsensical claims
The more light is thrown on the Holocaust accusations, the more obvious it becomes how ridiculous many of them are. Some of them have been debunked for decades, such as the gruesome soap and lamp shades horror stories. That doesn’t prevent the ‘Holocaust Industry’ though from continuing to spread them. Others are so obviously wrong, such as claims that 1.5 million Jews were gassed by exhaust fumes of a Russian diesel tank engine, that you have to wonder how the Jews could get away with them for 60 years. Any medical student can tell you that you have to be a severe asthma sufferer to die from diesel exhaust fumes because it doesn't contain any carbon monoxide.

What's in it for the Jews?
The answer to the question why the Jews would make up such a gigantic lie is pretty obvious. It gave them a free pass for the pursuit of their various political and financial goals. It gave them virtual immunity for their criminal activities. Most importantly it destroyed all resistance against the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine and the genocidal treatment of the Palestinian people. Yes, making up the biggest lie in human history comes at a considerable risk. The 'Holocult' founders must have had so much trust in their grip on Western governments and corporate media and their ability to cover up the obvious truth, that they felt the political and financial benefits outweighed the risks.

Summary
What amazes me most about the entire Holocaust saga is how the Jews can get away with their refusal to allow any examination of the veracity of their claims. How they can get away with doing everything in their power to silence and destroy anyone who argues that their accusations don’t make sense. In Germany, Austria and a dozen other countries revisionists get even imprisoned for questioning the Holocaust claims. Given the appalling Jewish record with regards to lies and deception and their history of ruthless pursuit of financial and political gains it’s fairly obvious who is telling the truth. That’s why I believe that the Jews are lying about the Holocaust.

http://www.ziopedia.org/articles/editorial/why_i_believe_the_jews_are_ lying_about_the_holocaust/
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is articles like this

Why I believe the Jews are lying about the Holocaust

that I have a problem with

In this context who are 'the Jews' and 'them' referred to through out

All Jews without exception?

And is it just Jews who perpetuate deception and lies?

Do 'they' control or merely strongly influence the media or the US government?

I know that the answer will be, 'Oh no, we are talking about a small elite of Jewish zionists', blah, blah. But imagine you are jewish and reading this.
Somebody like Winkler should know that this is not just semantics. It is the difference between legitimate criticism of Israel and the unaccountable influence of powerful jewish lobby groups such as AIPAC and PNAC and racist bs.

If readers don't know the difference by now and can't see the damage of associating the 9/11 truth movement with such racism, I give up. Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no doubt the official, capital H, holocaust story is a gigantic lie. The absence of credible evidence alone is enough to make it so.

I do have to agree with Ian Neal that articles like the above do no good whatsoever. Making all Jews complicit is not only silly, it reeks of bigotry if not racism and is counterproductive to exposing the elites responsible for the lie.

I have no doubt most Jews would be as shocked as anyone else to discover this lie but also have no doubt such articles will only reinforce their belief that it happened precisely because of the sentiment shown within them.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love checking into this site from time to time. Always good for a laugh. I rush to add that actually 9/11 probably was know about before hand and exploited to the maximum by the US Govt, however this message, this truth, will be lost to history because of forums and sites like this allowing the discussion to devolve into brainless hatred, lies and distortion. I particularly like the way Jewish sources get quoted from. I assume the morons who speak so powerfully on the content of the Talmud are scholars of high repute with expertise in Hebrew, Aramaic, oh and the full ebb and flow of Jewish belief and history? Oh thats right, their not.

What 'truthers' have failed to understand is that internal coherence as a justification for belief is not the same as truth. You can build up any circle of beliefs you want, and it can all make sense in your tiny flattened world, but it has jack s#*t to do with reality, a reality so complex, so mysterious that no one theory could ever account for it.

Of course the other prob with the extreme versions of the 9/11 theories is that if there was a cabal of 'Jews' (or whichever ethnic/religious group you wish to tarnish) which controlled the world, do you actually think you would be allowed to have this website, write the things you do, or even think them? Did that never occur to you? You would be dead, silenced, disappeared, no trace, lost to history.

The good news for the sane is that ultimately you will be lost to history. As the man says, "Your passing will leave scant trace in history, wiped from memory like a forgotten dream, like sand slipping through fingers", and all the while Yisrael's tents will be shining bright.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

post in critics corner please lowlight
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So there is a discourse for people who want to celebrate hatred, and congratulate each other on who brings the most foolish comments to the table, and a discourse for anyone who wants to maybe point out that said people are maybe a tad errr, misled? And never the two shall meet...

Nice way to 'debate' things.

Oh well, im off, well done on losing a member, not the first im guessing...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disassociate myself with the hate and bulls**t about the Holocaust being a lie; it would not surprise me if it was a disinfo plot to smear our Forum site.
However, here is a video clip of Jewish soldiers, 'Israeli Soldiers Speak Out', which shows not just the absolute immorality of the Israeli Govt. and so-called 'IDF', but that Jewish patriots can find the guts to openly campaign against it. And remember, 'Our Boys' have beaten innocent Iraquis to death, with no come-back and little interest by most of our feather-bedded citizens; what does the ordinary GI do about Abhu Ghraib, 'Extraordinary Rendition', Gitmo?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19274.htm

It should go without saying, but unfortunately some need reminding - there are good and bad people in all races and religions, always have been, and always will be.
I believe that the Holocaust was the worst assembly-line genocide of modern times. Russia killed more people in their genocide, but the Holocaust to me stands alone in mechanised butchery in a so-called 'civilised' country. I ask any readers of this Forum to please realise that the 'Holocaust Deniers' are a small, but unfortunately all too vocal, minority.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is exactly the kind of rubbish promoted by the agents of the dominant minority and Zionists.

All it serves to do is to legitemise the ideology of Zionism, whilst making any genuine criticism of the Israeli government impossible.

Zionists have promoted anti-semetism in the past as a mobilising force to their agenda inthe past.

I do love the irony of genuine racists actually empowering the group their hate is aimed at.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I believe that the Holocaust was the worst assembly-line genocide of modern times. Russia killed more people in their genocide, but the Holocaust to me stands alone in mechanised butchery in a so-called 'civilised' country.


What is the evidence for this "assembly-line genocide" please?

Care to name one credible eyewitness to this process?
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Whoever is named as an eyewitness will just be denounced as "not credible" So its a bit pointless. You will just say all the authors are lyers and all the film footage is faked (media fakery)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Karen Pollock, chief executive of the Holocaust Education Trust, which is running the visits, said:

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"We are very aware that there's going to be a time when there aren't any survivors left to go into schools.

"The young people will become eye-witnesses themselves.

"For a lot of them it's life-changing...


It would certainly change my life if I could "see" things happening sixty odd years ago. I'd probably be sectioned.

Still, I'd be let out after a while, and get over it. I'm emotionally strong and healthy. The poor kids subjected to this psychological trauma based indoctrination may carry the baggage with them for life.

Which I think is the whole purpose of this despicable exercise.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:57 am    Post subject: Campaign for similar visits to Gaza Reply with quote

Campaign for Similar Visits to Gaza

There should be a campaign for similar school trips for selected children to do a tour of Gaza, and to see the Apartheid Wall.

These trips should include meetings with people whose relatives have been killed by the Israeli Defense Forces, and whose homes, orchards and other means of sustaining their lives have been taken from them by the Israeli government and its citizens.

Show them the military checkpoints where Palestinian women who have been denied passage have died in childbirth, when attempting to get urgent medical attention.

Write to your MPs and insist on it.

Better still, stop this insanity of subjecting young children to such traumatic experiences, and let them grow up learning from balanced teaching, which should include evidence from the so-called holocaust deniers and revisionists.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:07 am    Post subject: Re: Campaign for similar visits to Gaza Reply with quote

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Campaign for Similar Visits to Gaza

There should be a campaign for similar school trips for selected children to do a tour of Gaza, and to see the Apartheid Wall.

These trips should include meetings with people whose relatives have been killed by the Israeli Defense Forces, and whose homes, orchards and other means of sustaining their lives have been taken from them by the Israeli government and its citizens.

Show them the military checkpoints where Palestinian women who have been denied passage have died in childbirth, when attempting to get urgent medical attention.

Write to your MPs and insist on it.

Better still, stop this insanity of subjecting young children to such traumatic experiences, and let them grow up learning from balanced teaching, which should include evidence from the so-called holocaust deniers and revisionists.


Fully in favour of the first part of this post - unfortunately the second part negates it. The Palestinian children have no respite from the trauma - a short bout of trauma for Western kids would of course be harrowing, but would put a stop to the whole business as they would forever be insulated from the lies churned out by our Govts. and media. I am in favour of visits by kids to Auschwitz museum - I have incidentally visited Aushwitz - Birkenau - but also of them being truthfully informed of present-day atrocities.
As for those who have asked for proof, I don't have the time to faff about providing links and photos which 'deniers' will reject as fakes, or eye-witnesses who they will call liars.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sigh...........

During a world war, the Nazis used precious resources including crucially important railstock to transport millions of people across war zone europe just so they could be murdered when they got there.

Auschwitz was in an industrial zone and was surrounded by factories churning out war goods. What do you think it's true purpose was? And given that Germany was bombed almost to oblivion at the end of the war, and that typhus was rife in the general population let alone in the concentration camps, could that have anything to do with the pictures we've all seen of piled high emaciated corpses.

Jews were slaughtered, as were all other groups the Nazis persecuted, but six million industrially pushed into gas chambers and their bodies incinerated is ludicrous, and there's no real historical evidence for it. What little evidence there is comes from the group that has used the Holocaust since to justify one of the most hateful racist supremacist criminal states ever to pollute the earth.

israel, formerly known as Palestine, where people like you and I used to live in peace until they were ethnically cleansed from their land.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is helpful to the 9/11 truth movement how?

You 9/11 truthers are holocaust deniers and racists. Thanks guys I can't wait to be accused of that. swear swear growl. Why don't you guys take this to a holocaust revisionism forum?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish people could excersise a littel more self censorship on this topic.

Regardless of the veracity of the official account of the Holocaust, the NWO love the fact that certain individuals in the truth community question it.

If you people weren't questioning it then they would have to send operatives in to stir it up.

Who benefits from Holocaust revisionism on 9/11 truth sites?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Who benefits from Holocaust revisionism on 9/11 truth sites?


Sure as hell its not the 9/11 truth movement.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can post you numerous links in which our critics make precisely this link

It is their default position to fall back on when avoiding discussing the evidence

http://www.gatecreepers.com/entries/exclusive-debunking-myths-on-consp iracy-theorie/#Myth_.2314:_Conspiracy_theorists_are_anti-semitic

http://www.gatecreepers.com/entries/exclusive-debunking-the-bbcs-9-11- conspiracy-fi/#link4

But it is highly effective. It is one thing to be 'crazy'. Who in this 'post-modern' world is not a little bit crazy. You would have to be a bit crazy not to be. http://conspiraloon.blogspot.com/

But to be attacked as a racist or anti-semite is a label that really hurts and damages any political campaign. Just ask Ron Atkinson.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ian neal wrote:
I can post you numerous links in which our critics make precisely this link

It is their default position to fall back on when avoiding discussing the evidence

http://www.gatecreepers.com/entries/exclusive-debunking-myths-on-consp iracy-theorie/#Myth_.2314:_Conspiracy_theorists_are_anti-semitic

http://www.gatecreepers.com/entries/exclusive-debunking-the-bbcs-9-11- conspiracy-fi/#link4

But it is highly effective. It is one thing to be 'crazy'. Who in this 'post-modern' world is not a little bit crazy. You would have to be a bit crazy not to be. http://conspiraloon.blogspot.com/

But to be attacked as a racist or anti-semite is a label that really hurts and damages any political campaign. Just ask Ron Atkinson.


Surely Holocaust revisionism is outside the scope of this site, I'm not into censorship but there are plenty of sites where people can talk about this if they want, why not pull this thread now?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a look at the list of "Latest Topics" and consider what is directly related to "911 Truth".

This site for better or worse has been turned into "The Bigger Picture"

To remove the lie of the holocaust from this bigger picture is not only missing the picture it is intellectual cowardice.

Those that are not emotionally equipped to deal with the backlash that comes from questioning the dogma of holocaust should just steer clear of it. The time may come when they feel secure enough to address the evidence and ignore the evidence free propaganda.

To believe that such an event as the planned systematic industrial scale killing of 6 million could have taken place without leaving a huge amount of hard evidence is frankly daft and I refuse to ACT daft just because some ludicrous taboo is in place.

History as we know it is a lie with Sept 11 being the latest big lie with the consequential lies of Afghanistan Iraq and the million plus casualties following on.

The "Bigger Picture" is an examination of the lies and if we are afraid to examine the bigger picture in its entirety we will not be in a position to complain if the liars once again use this fear to consolidate their position.

Those familiar with evidence know that Israelis/Zionists are central to the Sept 11 lie yet to say so is met with the - anti semitism anti semitism barrage. Should we be quiet? Or is it just the big lie we should avoid?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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wrong. your not the first to say that those who question 9/11 know it was the isrealis, yet it is totally wrong. there are many who question 9/11 but do not think the israelis did it, or do not know who did it.

why is this line being repeated and repeated when it is clearly false?

thanks for telling us what we all believe, but i must decline people speaking on my behalf, and state, i do not know who did 9/11, i support the need for a new investigastion to answer the questions surrounding the event, and thats it. i cannot form any ferther opinons or support untill those questions have been answered.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The evidence is certainly out there to support an Israeli / zionist connection to 9/11. But there is also evidence that implicates many other nations and nationalities.

There is also considerable evidence for Israeli false flag and state sponsored terror such as the USS Liberty, but equally there are a great many major deceptions/high crimes that don't involve Israel

Whilst the holocaust should not be censored or taboo, I still ask why those people who constantly bang on about it do so when it is clearly such a sensitive subject and when there are other more recent and less contentious cases from history that expose the criminal nature of the Israeli state.

Perhaps proponents need to think why it is such a sensitive issue, why it is taboo. The answer to my mind is that regardless of the precise number it is beyond question that the nazis murdered a great many Jewish people in WWII and because racist f*ckwits like Winkler who blame ALL jews (as opposed to a small criminal elite) to the exclusion of anyone else or anny other criiminal elite for the problems we face.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ian neal wrote:
...The answer to my mind is that regardless of the precise number it is beyond question that the nazis murdered a great many Jewish people in WWII.


The highlighted section should read:

"it is beyond question that a great many people were murdered during WWII."

You could add: "Finding out who was really responsible for all this undoubted suffering should take precedence over everything else, including the undoubted suffering of individual Jews."

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marky 54 wrote:
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Those familiar with evidence know that Israelis/Zionists are central to the Sept 11 lie


wrong. your not the first to say that those who question 9/11 know it was the isrealis, yet it is totally wrong. there are many who question 9/11 but do not think the israelis did it, or do not know who did it.

why is this line being repeated and repeated when it is clearly false?

thanks for telling us what we all believe, but i must decline people speaking on my behalf, and state, i do not know who did 9/11, i support the need for a new investigastion to answer the questions surrounding the event, and thats it. i cannot form any ferther opinons or support untill those questions have been answered.


marky54, you quote me then by misinterpreting the quote accuse me of telling you what to think.

I said Israelis/Zionists are central to the Sept 11 lie - I repeat - those familiar with the evidence know that to be a fact.

That does not mean - "Israelis did it"

It does mean what I said - there are Israeli/Zionists CENTRAL to to it. It matters not a jot what you believe, the evidence is there.

It can be argued that they were mere players doing what they were told and their dual nationality a coincidence but it cannot be denied they are central. Not a very convincing argument as far as I can see - but possible.

Are you saying you offer nothing other than the continual request for a new investigation and disregarding all evidence until this goal is achieved?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ian neal, your position would be understanable if the holocaust was a matter of history.

It is not. Not by a long chalk.

The thread was started to expose the lengths that are being gone to to promote and bolster the holocaust industry by brainwashing our children and there are people in the here and now being imprisoned for just questioning the facts of the matter.

We just had the main proponents of the holocaust industry trying to link the 911 truth movement with terrorists for for f.... sake.

I agree the truth movement may be negatively affected in the short run by it being linked to holocaust denial but it that is only a ploy that has limited appeal to limited people. The truth to my mind is better served by questiong ALL would be authority and letting the evidence dictate, not the received truth that authority has handed down.

PS - I would have preferred this board was dedicated to Sept 11 truth but that is in the past. That task has been commandeered by some including DEW proponents - as damaging to the movement as those legitimately questioning historical reality.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anthony Lawson wrote:
Selectivity

ian neal wrote:
...The answer to my mind is that regardless of the precise number it is beyond question that the nazis murdered a great many Jewish people in WWII.


The highlighted section should read:

"it is beyond question that a great many people were murdered during WWII."

I don't question the holocaust but I certainly agree with the above statement.

The fate of Jewish people in WW2 is continually rammed down our throats while that of tens of millions of other victims of the Nazis and Soviets is largely forgotten - as if they represent nothing more than a little bit of "collateral damage".

This is totally wrong.
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