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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 12:54 pm    Post subject: Bush and Lizzie's 1776 New World Order "in-jokes" Reply with quote

Not a single news outlet in the English language appears to have picked up on the esoteric message which flashed between George W. Bush and our very own Queen Elizabeth yesterday. And her nibbs was none too pleased at the skull and bonesman's public display of Illuminism.

With a wink Bush made a deliberate error as an excuse to bring up the magical date of 1776 in front of a 7000 live audience and the world's media. That's the date in roman numerals printed on the back of every American dollar and the date of the formation of the New Godless Order, often mistranslated but widely understood as the 'New World Order' the Illuminati's plan to control the world.

!! Check the pix in the Evening Standard article below !!
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http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23395384-details/Blundering +Bush+makes+ANOTHER+gaffe+as+he+winks+at+the+Queen/article.do
Blundering Bush makes ANOTHER gaffe as he winks at the Queen
07.05.07

When you've just made it sound like the Queen is more than 200 years old, there may be a few ways of recovering from the gaffe.
But turning to her and giving her a sly wink is probably not included in any book of royal etiquette.
Is he winking at One? The President turns to the Queen and winks after his slip-up
That's what happened yesterday after George Bush mangled his greeting to the Queen on her state visit to the U.S.
Stumbling over his words, he came perilously close to suggesting that the monarch had toured the States in 1776.
And although the President's following wink was initially rewarded with a regal glare, the Queen did at least seem to see the funny side of the blunder.
After the blunder the President paused and turned to the Queen to acknowledge his gaffe, joking that she "gave me a look that only a mother could give a child."
Ripples of laughter echoed around those gathered at the event and the President laughed off the mistake and continued his speech.
The monarch and the Duke of Edinburgh flew into the American capital for a two-day stay - the finale of their East Coast trip the other side of the Atlantic.
They were officially welcomed by Mr Bush and his wife Laura on the lawn of the White House in front of 7,000 guests, from members of Congress to Oval Office staff.
The Queen will deliver a keynote speech before heading to a garden party at the British ambassador's residence with Hollywood A-listers expected to be among the 750 guests.
In the evening, Mr Bush will don his white tie and tails for the state dinner as he and the First Lady pull out all the stops to entertain the royals.
It is the first white-tie affair of the Bush administration.
But The New York Times has been pondering: "How does George W Bush, a towel-snapping Texan who puts his feet on the coffee table, drinks water straight from the bottle and was once caught on tape talking with food in his mouth, prepare for a state dinner with the Queen?
"With tips from an etiquette guide, of course - and a little gentle prodding from his wife."
Mr Bush is the leader who once greeted Prime Minister Tony Blair with: "Yo, Blair. How are you doing?"
It is hoped that gaffe-prone President Bush will manage to host the state visit without any hiccups.
He hasn't been so successful in the past, however. He once admitted to the Queen he was the black sheep of his family and then turned to her and asked "Who's yours?"
The encounter came at the White House in 1991 when his father was in power. The Queen, wisely, did not reply.
Barbara Bush stepped in and warned the monarch: "Don't answer that."
President Bush is known for his Texan drawl and informal approach and the Queen's visit to Washington is the ultimate test of his manners and grasp of royal etiquette.
USA Today remarked today: "The Yanks will endeavour to impress the Brits, the true sultans of ceremony."
The paper added: "Bush is famous for his opposition to formality and staying up late, but he is nevertheless going all out for the Queen."
White House aides have apparently described the dinner in the Queen's honour as the social event of the entire Bush presidency.
George Bush's father, George Bush Snr, branded it "the hottest ticket in town."
The Times remarked: "It will be closely watched by the social elite for its collision of cultures - Texas swagger meets British prim.
"Dinner attire is white tie and tails, the first and, perhaps, only white-tie affair of the Bush administration.
"The president was said to be none too keen on that, but bowed to a higher power, his wife."
Mr Bush apparently likes to be in bed by 10pm, but the entertainment will stretch well into the evening.
The Bushes have hosted four other state dinners - for Mexico, Poland, the Philippines and Kenya - but never opted for the white-tie dress code before.
The Queen is ushered to a waiting car after arriving in Washington today
The star entertainment is being kept under wraps. During the Reagan years, Frank Sinatra sang for the Queen in 1983 on her trip to California.
The Queen danced with President Ford in 1976, but it is not known whether she will take to the floor with Mr Bush.
Vice President Dick Cheney, secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, defence secretary Robert Gates and General Peter Pace, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, will be among the select 134 guests.
Mrs Bush will be wearing an Oscar da La Renta gown and her staff have co-ordinated with the Queen's dresser to make sure their outfits do not clash, the Washington Post reports.
Mrs Bush knows the importance of pre-planning her wardrobe. Last year, three women showed up at a reception she was at in the same red de la Renta dress she was wearing, forcing her to rush off to change.
At the banquet, Mr Bush will sit next to the Queen at Table 12, while Mrs Bush will join Philip at Table 11.
The monarch's dislike of spicy foods has been taken into consideration for the menu, personally selected by Mrs Bush.
The royal visit to DC is likely to be something of a distraction amid controversy over Mr Bush's veto of Congress's war funding bill which set a timetable for the withdrawal of US troops from the Gulf.
Washington has also been dealing with the fallout of the "DC Madam" sex scandal which brought the resignation of a top US State Department official who confirmed he had been a client of a woman accused of running a high-class prostitution ring.
The Queen's last visit to the White House was in 1991 in the wake of the first Gulf War when George Bush Snr was in power.
Whether the Queen will mention Iraq in her speech remains to be seen.
As the Queen gave an address all that could be seen of her above the podium and microphones was her hat.
Someone forgot to put the small raised platform in place ready for the royal VIP. The next day the Queen quipped as she made another speech: "I do hope you can see me today."
This time, she will stand on a custom-made step. The Queen praised Mr Bush Snr in 1991 for his "outstanding leadership" in the Gulf conflict and gave reassurances about post-war problems, saying: "great enterprises seldom end with a tidy and satisfactory flourish". She also presented him with the Churchill award.
It is not known if the current President Bush will get an award this time. A Buckingham Palace spokeswoman refused to comment.



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http://www.2012.com.au/1776_NWO.html
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Illuminati/dollar_ase .gif

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 1:34 pm    Post subject: more on the New World Order Reply with quote

Wikipedia disinformation

According to the munificent, the bountiful Wikipedia the inscription NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM means 'New Order of the Ages'.

This is just one of several mistranslations which appear to be deliberate, they are so obviously not what is in the Latin English Dictionary....

ANNUIT COEPTIS in fact translates as ANNOUNCING THE BIRTH and

NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM literally as NEW SECULAR ORDER or more correctly as NEW GODLESS ORDER


MDCCLXXVI translates to 1776 - The Illuminati were formed on May 1st of that year in Ingolstadt, Germany by Adam Weishaupt.

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent observations Tony, top job.


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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Tony but you're projecting again. Shouldn't do that in front of an audience who. if asked the significance of the date 1066, would reply 'but October has only got 31 days'.

The 1776 'slip' was a reference to the American Declaration of Independence and the tour alluded to was that of the Red Coat army of George III. The fact that the significance of this date was also lost on the Evening Standard hacks begs the question about what has been taught in that history slot at 'Bog Standard Comp' for the last 20 years.

So determined were you also, Tony, to shoe horn the whole episode into your Illuminati brogues that you left out Bush's most telling 'unscripted' remark after the Queen showed her disapproval of his 1776 joke. Bush compared her look to that of a 'mother to a wayward child.'

Now, go figure...
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The 1776 'slip' was a reference to the American Declaration of Independence and the tour alluded to was that of the Red Coat army of George III.

My dear Pincher, I suspect that Tony Gosling didn't feel it necessary to state the obvious. Mr. Gosling's reference to the 'Magical date of 1776' (2 x 888) is touched upon in the following extract:
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The momentous year 1776 - which incidentally also saw the publications of Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations, the first volume of Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Friedrich von Klinger's Die Zwillinge (The Twins) and Sturm und Drang, as well as the founding of the Illuminati secret society by the Jesuit-trained Adam Weishaupt - witnessed the foundation of a completely new kind of state, a self-conscious Utopia or Promised Land, forged and led by men who were either Freemasons or who were infomed by the spirit of Freemasonry, a spirit which, by the late 18th century, had become largely non-Christian and was predominantly Deist. The United States was self-consciously founded by Freemasons and non-Freemasons with a New Rome in mind.

Source & Full Article: www.monju.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/NWO11.htm

December 5, 1776 saw the founding of Phi Beta Kappa at the College of William & Mary, Virginia. Why would this be of any particular interest? Well, although Skull & Bones has the ascendency within the Brotherhood, S&B is limited to Yale; whereas PBK Chapters can be found at all major US Universities. Any major player who did not attend Yale will almost undoubtedly have been inducted into Phi Beta Kappa.

Oh, I almost forgot, where did H.M. turn up yesterday?

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Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth Returns to William and Mary

Thousands gathered at the College of William and Mary today to welcome Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Virginia. The visit marks 50 years since Her Majesty last came to the College. More than 6,000 students, faculty, staff, alumni and members of the public came to catch a glimpse of the Queen.

Source: www.wm.edu/

President Gene R. Nichol's Remarks:

"Your Majesty, I think it fair to say that your ancient College is delighted and proud to welcome you back. We are ancient, at least by standards on this side of the water, if not your own..."

(The highlighted comment is an illuminist classic!)

Perhaps, Mr. Pincher, it is YOU who should go figure ...

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good thread, chaps.

The momentus meeting of two prime figures (or at least figureheads) in global conspiracies.

And a classic gaffe from Dubya: a subconscious reference to Bush being the "child" of the Queen and a reference to the momentous year of 1776.

Very interesting...

Was she just checking up on her wayward relative and keeping tabs on the family business?

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps a reference to the queen being a Mother of Darkness
In any case a hugely symbolic 'gaffe' and knowingness interlude quite in line with the Virginia massacre, the current Portugal situation and the previously covered up elite child abduction scandal in that country running in line with the Dotroux Belgian case and the Mothers of Darkness castle in Belgium - see all the tie-ins?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3086521.stm

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 1:23 am    Post subject: Re: more on the New World Order Reply with quote

TonyGosling wrote:
Wikipedia disinformation

According to the munificent, the bountiful Wikipedia the inscription NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM means 'New Order of the Ages'.

This is just one of several mistranslations which appear to be deliberate, they are so obviously not what is in the Latin English Dictionary....

ANNUIT COEPTIS in fact translates as ANNOUNCING THE BIRTH and

NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM literally as NEW SECULAR ORDER or more correctly as NEW GODLESS ORDER


MDCCLXXVI translates to 1776 - The Illuminati were formed on May 1st of that year in Ingolstadt, Germany by Adam Weishaupt.

Let he or she who has ears to hear, let them hear.


I have searched trough many different Dictionary versions. I have not yet seen the "Godless" definition. It would seem that any religion not praticed applies here.

secular clergy
(Latin: secularis, pertaining to the world)

A term applied to the clergy, who are not members of a religious order, and whose immediate superior is the bishop of the diocese, to whom they owe obedience and under whose direction they labor for the sanctification of souls, and for this purpose are not bound by rule of cloister, but are more freely in touch with persons of the world.


sec·u·lar hu·man·ism


noun

Definition:

nonreligious world view: a philosophy or world view that stresses human values without reference to religion or spirituality


secular

adj
concerning those not members of the clergy: "set his collar in laic rather than clerical position"


Main Entry: 1sec·u·lar
Pronunciation: 'se-ky&-l&r
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French seculer, from Late Latin saecularis, from saeculum the present world, from Latin, generation, age, century, world; akin to Welsh hoedl lifetime
1 a : of or relating to the worldly or temporal <secular concerns> b : not overtly or specifically religious <secular music> c : not ecclesiastical or clerical <secular courts> <secular landowners>
2 : not bound by monastic vows or rules; specifically : of, relating to, or forming clergy not belonging to a religious order or congregation <a secular priest>
3 a : occurring once in an age or a century b : existing or continuing through ages or centuries c : of or relating to a long term of indefinite duration <secular inflation>


Secular \Sec"u*lar\, a. [OE. secular, seculer. L. saecularis, fr. saeculum a race, generation, age, the times, the world; perhaps akin to E. soul: cf. F. s['e]culier.]

1. Coming or observed once in an age or a century.

The secular year was kept but once a century. --Addison.

2. Pertaining to an age, or the progress of ages, or to a long period of time; accomplished in a long progress of time; as, secular inequality; the secular refrigeration of the globe.

3. Of or pertaining to this present world, or to things not spiritual or holy; relating to temporal as distinguished from eternal interests; not immediately or primarily respecting the soul, but the body; worldly.

New foes arise, Threatening to bind our souls with secular chains. --Milton.

4. (Eccl.) Not regular; not bound by monastic vows or rules; not confined to a monastery, or subject to the rules of a religious community; as, a secular priest.

He tried to enforce a stricter discipline and greater regard for morals, both in the religious orders and the secular clergy. --Prescett.

5. Belonging to the laity; lay; not clerical.

I speak of folk in secular estate. --Chaucer.

Sec´u`lar
a. 1. Coming or observed once in an age or a century.
The secular year was kept but once a century.
- Addison.
2. Pertaining to an age, or the progress of ages, or to a long period of time; accomplished in a long progress of time; as, secular inequality; the secular refrigeration of the globe.
3. Of or pertaining to this present world, or to things not spiritual or holy; relating to temporal as distinguished from eternal interests; not immediately or primarily respecting the soul, but the body; worldly.
New foes arise,
Threatening to bind our souls with secular chains.
- Milton.
4. (Eccl.) Not regular; not bound by monastic vows or rules; not confined to a monastery, or subject to the rules of a religious community; as, a secular priest.
He tried to enforce a stricter discipline and greater regard for morals, both in the religious orders and the secular clergy.
- Prescott.
5. Belonging to the laity; lay; not clerical.
I speak of folk in secular estate.
- Chaucer.
Secular equation
(Astron.) the algebraic or numerical expression of the magnitude of the inequalities in a planet's motion that remain after the inequalities of a short period have been allowed for.
Secular games
(Rom. Antiq.) games celebrated, at long but irregular intervals, for three days and nights, with sacrifices, theatrical shows, combats, sports, and the like.
Secular music
any music or songs not adapted to sacred uses.
Secular hymn
a hymn or poem composed for the secular games, or sung or rehearsed at those games.

n. 1. (Eccl.) A secular ecclesiastic, or one not bound by monastic rules.
2. (Eccl.) A church official whose functions are confined to the vocal department of the choir.
3. A layman, as distinguished from a clergyman.

The point is, it is symantics we are playing with here. Anything ungodly is of the world. So it does not matter if we call it the New World Order. It is important that they (The Powers That Be) call it such.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 12:21 pm    Post subject: Re: more on the New World Order Reply with quote

David WJ Sherlock wrote:

I have searched trough many different Dictionary versions. I have not yet seen the "Godless" definition. It would seem that any religion not praticed applies here.


The literal translation of NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM is NEW SECULAR ORDER. That translates into common English as NEW GODLESS ORDER.

"He who has no ears to hear will never hear...."


Meanwile more on this story today...

Nb. The spirit of '76 might be Lucifer. The god of all satanists in denial.

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Queen replies in spirit of '76

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=722782007

THE Queen yesterday made a quip about George Bush's gaffe in which the US president nearly aged her by 200 years.

Addressing a return dinner at the British Ambassador's residence, the visiting monarch laughed as she remarked: "Mr President, I wondered whether I should start this toast by saying, 'when I was here in 1776', but I don't think I will."

It prompted roars of laughter from guests.

Mr Bush replied: "Your Majesty, I can't top that one."

On the south lawn of the White House during the official welcome ceremony on Monday, Mr Bush, talking about a previous visit made by the Queen during the country's bicentenary, started to say 1776, rather than 1976.


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:56 pm    Post subject: Re: more on the New World Order Reply with quote

TonyGosling wrote:
The literal translation of NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM is NEW SECULAR ORDER. That translates into common English as NEW GODLESS ORDER


Er, my understanding was "The New Order of the Secular/Worldy Men". But Latin's all ancient history to me now...

Once a classicist, always a pedant.

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Quite frankly Mr Shankly you people are simply impossible. You are also bloody ignorant. You know virtually nothing about Freemasonry and you know even less about the WASP world of the Eastern seaboard. So let's deal in facts shall we rather than the world of Da Vinci Code hokus pokus?

1) Skull and Bones was not, is not and never will be an Illuminati chapter. Everything about the 'Order' from its selection policy, initiation practices, meeting rituals and its awarding of titles and rank is anathema to WHAT IS KNOWN OF Illuminism.

2) What documentary evidence there is suggests that George Herbert Walker Bush is almost certainly an Ancient Scottish Rite 33rd level Mason. If that is the case, it is almost certain that his son, George Walkr Bush, is too.

3) At the time of the American Revoultionary War the predominant strain of Freemasonry in the US was English Freemasonry. It was and remains theistic and mercantalist.

4) Male members of the Royal Family have traditionally been inducted into the British Grand Chapter of the Royal Arch Freemasons (a derivative of English Freemasonry) since the 1770's.

5) Because of her gender, membership of the Royal Arch is closed to the Queen. This would go for the Illuminati too IF it still existed - which makes a nonsense of any suggestion that Bush could share an Illuminati joke with her.

Please think before posting your cuckoo theories on here...
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Quite frankly Mr Shankly you people are simply impossible. You are also bloody ignorant. You know virtually nothing about Freemasonry and you know even less about the WASP world of the Eastern seaboard. So let's deal in facts shall we rather than the world of Da Vinci Code hokus pokus?

1) Skull and Bones was not, is not and never will be an Illuminati chapter. Everything about the 'Order' from its selection policy, initiation practices, meeting rituals and its awarding of titles and rank is anathema to WHAT IS KNOWN OF Illuminism.

2) What documentary evidence there is suggests that George Herbert Walker Bush is almost certainly an Ancient Scottish Rite 33rd level Mason. If that is the case, it is almost certain that his son, George Walkr Bush, is too.

3) At the time of the American Revoultionary War the predominant strain of Freemasonry in the US was English Freemasonry. It was and remains theistic and mercantalist.

4) Male members of the Royal Family have traditionally been inducted into the British Grand Chapter of the Royal Arch Freemasons (a derivative of English Freemasonry) since the 1770's.

5) Because of her gender, membership of the Royal Arch is closed to the Queen. This would go for the Illuminati too IF it still existed - which makes a nonsense of any suggestion that Bush could share an Illuminati joke with her.

Please think before posting your cuckoo theories on here...


Who is Mr Shankey??
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David WJ Sherlock wrote:
Who is Mr Shankey??


Haha, errmm...just google "Frankly Mr Shankly".

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After two days of frantic search engine activity, Pincher retorted:
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Quite frankly Mr Shankly you people are simply impossible. You are also bloody ignorant. You know virtually nothing about Freemasonry and you know even less about the WASP world of the Eastern seaboard. So let's deal in facts shall we rather than the world of Da Vinci Code hokus pokus?

1) Skull and Bones was not, is not and never will be an Illuminati chapter. Everything about the 'Order' from its selection policy, initiation practices, meeting rituals and its awarding of titles and rank is anathema to WHAT IS KNOWN OF Illuminism.

2) What documentary evidence there is suggests that George Herbert Walker Bush is almost certainly an Ancient Scottish Rite 33rd level Mason. If that is the case, it is almost certain that his son, George Walkr Bush, is too.

3) At the time of the American Revoultionary War the predominant strain of Freemasonry in the US was English Freemasonry. It was and remains theistic and mercantalist.

4) Male members of the Royal Family have traditionally been inducted into the British Grand Chapter of the Royal Arch Freemasons (a derivative of English Freemasonry) since the 1770's.

5) Because of her gender, membership of the Royal Arch is closed to the Queen. This would go for the Illuminati too IF it still existed - which makes a nonsense of any suggestion that Bush could share an Illuminati joke with her.

Please think before posting your cuckoo theories on here...

As you wish, Pincher.

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After two days of frantic search engine activity, Pincher retorted:

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Quite frankly Mr Shankly you people are simply impossible. You are also bloody ignorant. You know virtually nothing about Freemasonry and you know even less about the WASP world of the Eastern seaboard. So let's deal in facts shall we rather than the world of Da Vinci Code hokus pokus?

1) Skull and Bones was not, is not and never will be an Illuminati chapter. Everything about the 'Order' from its selection policy, initiation practices, meeting rituals and its awarding of titles and rank is anathema to WHAT IS KNOWN OF Illuminism.

2) What documentary evidence there is suggests that George Herbert Walker Bush is almost certainly an Ancient Scottish Rite 33rd level Mason. If that is the case, it is almost certain that his son, George Walkr Bush, is too.

3) At the time of the American Revoultionary War the predominant strain of Freemasonry in the US was English Freemasonry. It was and remains theistic and mercantalist.

4) Male members of the Royal Family have traditionally been inducted into the British Grand Chapter of the Royal Arch Freemasons (a derivative of English Freemasonry) since the 1770's.

5) Because of her gender, membership of the Royal Arch is closed to the Queen. This would go for the Illuminati too IF it still existed - which makes a nonsense of any suggestion that Bush could share an Illuminati joke with her.

Please think before posting your cuckoo theories on here...

As you wish, Pincher.

Tony Gosling observes:
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He makes a valid point!

The Watcher


Unlike some, Mr Watcher, I do not wish my life away on this board. My modest posting record supports this fact. It also supports my rebuttal of your suggestion that I have been engaged in feverish search engine activity to discredit some of the idiotic claims made on here (if you go through my previous posts you will notice that I have contributed a number of times on Freemasonry).

Of course, as you cannot afford to lose face, you will no doubt persist with your accusation. All I can say to that is if there was anybody who should engage in feverish search engine activity it is you. Nothing that you have posted on this thread is supported by any evidence. Your 'belief' in the current existence of the Illuminati (and its reach) is nothing more than the worst kind of superstition.

And you still haven't figured out the little puzzle I set you...
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Unlike some, Mr Watcher, I do not wish my life away on this board. My modest posting record supports this fact.

By some remarkable piece of synchronicity, I see that Pincher and The Watcher both registered with this forum on the same date, 9th Aug 2006. Don't you wonder how that #23 keeps cropping up? (9+8+6=23) . I digress; I wonder if that is the only thing we share in common, Mr Pincher? Alternatively, it may be a similar co-incidence to one I discovered with my ex-wife. After 21 years together, we eventually realised we had just one thing in common, ... we got married on the same day!

Just for the record; number of posts to date:

Pincher: 215

The Watcher: 81

You win!

The Watcher
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