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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:23 pm    Post subject: Major New Paper Published by Dr. Steven Jones Reply with quote

Major New Paper Published by Dr. Steven Jones

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JonesWTC911SciMethod. pdf
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Critique of Jones' new paper by Stephen Phillips, Ph.D.

http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/physicist_critiques_jones.html

Also discussed in this broadcast by Prof Fetzer.

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/Jim%20Fetzer%20-%20Constrain ts%20on%209-11%20Research%20-%20Dynamic%20Duo%20-%2017%20May%202007.mp 3

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see Fetzers camp showing their true colours diverting the attention away from the impossibilty of the collapse to ad hominem attacks on Jones. Shame on them!!!

The Overwhelming Implausibility of Using Directed Energy Beams to Demolish the World Trade Center Towers - Greg Jenkins



http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200702/Implausibility-Direct ed-Energy-Beam-Demolish-WTC-by-Gregory-Jenkins.pdf

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyb wrote:
I see Fetzers camp showing their true colours diverting the attention away from the impossibilty of the collapse to ad hominem attacks on Jones. Shame on them!!!

The Overwhelming Implausibility of Using Directed Energy Beams to Demolish the World Trade Center Towers - Greg Jenkins



http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200702/Implausibility-Direct ed-Energy-Beam-Demolish-WTC-by-Gregory-Jenkins.pdf


I personally don't care for some of Fetzer's language. However, I do care for his analsyis of what happened on 9/11, as he more accurately discusses the actual evidence than Prof Jones. I have not seen any specific comments or feedback on the evidence I presented in the articles I wrote about Jones, Jenkins and others:

http://www.checktheevidence.com/911/TheNew9-11Hijackers.htm

You will read that I am somewhat unhappy with the language which Fetzer etc have used to criticise Jones, but the substance of their criticism of Jones is correct and important. Professors Wood, Reynolds and Fetzer reviewed the article before I posted it, and made some corrections. I have not received any comments or real corrections about this article from Steve Jones or anyone "on his side". (Frank Legge argued about the emissivity of Aluminium, but this didn't form a substantial part of the article and I disagreed with him on this anyway).

Similarly, for this article:

http://www.checktheevidence.com/911/dr_greg_jenkins.htm

I have received no negative comments or corrections. I have, however, received several complimentary messages from people I don't know for the "Hijackers" article.

So, let's stick to specific points of evidence, such as why Jones denies the presence of any fine powder after the destruction of the WTC.

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/Steve%20Jones%20-%20Denies%2 0WTC%20Fine%20Powder%20-%2017%20Jan%202007.mp3

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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thing is Jones only proposes Thermate as a theory, unlike Judy wood's Beam of truth. Her correction request to NIST has done nothing but harm the camapign. I agree that the Thermate story is still debunkable in many areas to do with the testing but at least he is testing. Woods, Fetzer, reynolds and siegel needs to disowned before any more damage can be done.
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thing is Jones only proposes Thermate as a theory, unlike Judy wood's Beam of truth. Her correction request to NIST has done nothing but harm the camapign. I agree that the Thermate story is still debunkable in many areas to do with the testing but at least he is testing. Woods, Fetzer, reynolds and siegel needs to disowned before any more damage can be done.


I am again puzzled by this statement from you. Again, I think you have coined the "beam of truth" term here, for some (unknown?) reason. I would prefer to say "the DEW hypothesis explains a good deal more of the physical evidence than the use of thermite + explosives"

Can you say the ways it has "damaged the campagin" e.g.

1) Name people who have said it is "bad for the campaign"
2) Describe how it is "bad for the campaign"
3) Define who or what is the campaign, as clearly as possible.

And, what points of evidence or analysis of Prof Wood would you specifically take issue with? Or, can you *specifically* describe the problems with her general approach?

Without such information, this seems like yet another "attack" on the research of a very well-qualified individual, into a what happened on 9/11.

As I have suggested before, NIST postal and e-mail addresses are public, so if you care about "the campaign" I think you ought to write to them, expressing your concerns. To build support for your position, post your letters and responses here, so that people can review them - just as Prof Wood has posted her research, letters and responses (the ones that don't fall under a legal umbrella) so that everyone can review and critique them.

Or would that "damage the campaign" too?

PS: To see evidence of the LITERAL cover-up at the WTC GZ on 9/11, start here, if you're interested:

http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/dirt1.html

or should we should just post it on a new site called www.911truthcampaigndamage.com? Would that make you happy?

Also: Please post a detailed critique of Reynolds/Siegel and describe their "campaign damage".

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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I`m not getting involved in the "mechanics" of all this but personally I think we could all be making better use of our very limited time and resources than trying to debunk eachother.

There are people with loads of money and time already desperately trying to do just that 24/7.

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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snowygrouch wrote:
I`m not getting involved in the "mechanics" of all this but personally I think we could all be making better use of our very limited time and resources than trying to debunk eachother.

There are people with loads of money and time already desperately trying to do just that 24/7.

C.


Spot on SG - if all of these sideshows aren't disinformation designed to distract and divert then why do they behave like they are?
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