Hey you never know, maybe Dr. Cerf also sympathizes with porn on the web?
Seriously though, I'm happy to stand corrected and I guess I owe an apology of sorts to stelios for having been a bit disrespectful.
I guess my point was that Darwin never really advocated industrial scale extermination of fellow humans.
You could of course argue that he provides some soil for dangerous ideas to flourish, and you'd probably be right.
In the end of the day, I believe we all understand evolution in similar terms.
Imagine you're a dad, and your kid walks in with a partner that is 'intellectually challenged'.
In my view, it is not the thought process behind evolution that is to be condemned, but rather the notion that evolution should be controlled to produce specific results.
The latter is clearly evil and absurd and smacks of the control-freak attitude of the sick, sad elitists.
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:58 pm Post subject:
acrobat74 wrote:
Nice post John, and thanks for the sources.
Hey you never know, maybe Dr. Cerf also sympathizes with porn on the web?
Seriously though, I'm happy to stand corrected and I guess I owe an apology of sorts to stelios for having been a bit disrespectful.
I guess my point was that Darwin never really advocated industrial scale extermination of fellow humans.
You could of course argue that he provides some soil for dangerous ideas to flourish, and you'd probably be right.
In the end of the day, I believe we all understand evolution in similar terms.
Imagine you're a dad, and your kid walks in with a partner that is 'intellectually challenged'.
In my view, it is not the thought process behind evolution that is to be condemned, but rather the notion that evolution should be controlled to produce specific results.
The latter is clearly evil and absurd and smacks of the control-freak attitude of the sick, sad elitists.
To lose compassion is to lose one's connection with humanity.
Well firstly thanks for not minding me bringing it up 'cos its a while since your post I quoted, I happened to have that peice in my archive at Malvern Messages, and thought it worth bringing to your attention
I'd say it was quite right that Darwin never advocated mass extermination/ mass sterilisation: but it is quite clear that darwin entertained the hubris that mankind could be improved through the application of his theory: in essence, that old sin of believing those with power could MAKE people better... and really the ivory tower scienitifc detachment of not thinking certain things through is a poor defense... but of course, darwininsts tend to be extrmely vigerous in denying any connection between Darwin and eugenics. Obviously thats not really the case: no more than Marx can be divorced from Lenin. Marx would'nt have advocated the deliberate startvation of the peasants to bring them to heel, I'm sure: but without him, the bolshevik revolutionaruies would have had no intellectual basis for their actions
I looked into all this becuase I tend to debate dawkinists from time to time, and its no suprise they commit the same mistakes today
For example, one popular view over there is that the teaching about Hell to chuildren should be classified as "child Abuse" and made a serious crime, to which I ask:
So how many prisons would you build? Would you severely punish all offenders or only the worst cases? How would you catagorise? Who would care to explain to those children that mummy and daddy have to go away now and they wont see them for several years? etc etc etc
To which, of course, we get no answer. I'm sure Darwin would have had "no comment" to make either if the natural consequences of his "excitement" over Dalton's ideas were pointed out to him as well _________________ We are not a community looking to believe: We are a community dedicated to seeing what is
"They must find it difficult...
Those who have taken authority as the truth,
rather than truth as the authority."
- Gerald Massey _________________ FORGIVENESS IS FREEDOM
Zeitgeist Addendum Trailer _________________ "The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."
- Benjamin Disraeli ; English statesman, in his novel Coningsby, 1844
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: Zeitgeist... The Revolution is Anti-Christian
Zeitgeist as AntiChrist propaganda?
Revolutionaries have to deny Christ? What tosh. The anonymites are still trying to justify the polished lies in part 1 of Zeitgeist
Zeitgeist contradicts historical fact
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPaXoZTLn6I Zeitgeist: The Movie was released June 2007. With its release many viewers were shocked at what they were viewing. Many believed Christianity had finally been proven false and began sending the movie everywhere they could. Sadly the believers of the movie had not and have not researched the claims that were made in the movie.
Part 1 of the movie focuses its attack on Christianity. The movie claims Christianity was borrowed from pagan myths, the Bible was plagiarized, Jesus wasn't a historical figure, Christianity was created for social control, and that the Bible is based on astrology. Though the claims they make sound accurate, they are completely false and go against the historical records of pagan deities. The point of this video is to quickly show historical facts that contradict against Zeitgeist, proving it false.
Zeitgeist makes roughly 50 claims about various ancient gods and their similarities to Jesus Christ. The problem I have found is that no one seems to be able to show us where Zeitgeist's claims can be found in actual ancient texts. Please go to the following links below to find out what is being put into your mind and how Zeitgeist: the movie is completely false and full of lies.
if you haven't seen this yet check it out now:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197
"They must find it difficult...
Those who have taken authority as the truth,
rather than truth as the authority."
- Gerald Massey
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject:
So, Zeitgiest part 1 can be demonstrated to be a load of lying, deliberately falsified shy*e.
So Henry Makow (www.savethemales.ca) is right. Christianity is under severe attack.......not just from the promoters of the NWO but, it would seem, from within the ranks of those who would oppose them (therefore in such groups [as our own] many NWO agents are obviously embedded).
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject:
To be expected I'm afraid since we're dealing with Nazis in plain clothes who believe themselves to be Teutonic gods who have to wipe out Jews, Muslims and Christians from the face of the earth.
Anyone who has sympathy for old fashioned love thy neighbour morality.
Any strong faith, in fact, that is a challenge to their diseased elitist wet dreams of power, power, power.
kbo234 wrote:
So, Zeitgiest part 1 can be demonstrated to be a load of lying, deliberately falsified shy*e.
So Henry Makow (www.savethemales.ca) is right. Christianity is under severe attack.......not just from the promoters of the NWO but, it would seem, from within the ranks of those who would oppose them (therefore in such groups [as our own] many NWO agents are obviously embedded).
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:22 am Post subject:
Here's an example of why Christianity is under attack. Holding to biblical beliefs will incline a person to oppose authority on all sorts of issues.
There is a new tyranny abroad. It's mantra is 'diversity' and 'tolerance', not necessarily bad things in themselves but this paradigm, like the notions of ''equality' by which communism was sold to the masses, is a false and deceptive model of morality. It's purpose is the destruction of all real religions in order to empower a central authority.
These people are very cunning. It is so difficult to argue against 'tolerance' isn't it?
Policeman Faces Charges of Homophobia
Catholic Action UK – July 27, 2008
From CWNews, via CFNews:
A decorated British police officer has filed a complaint before a local employment tribunal, charging that he has been harassed by his superiors because of his Christian beliefs.
Graham Cogman, a 15-year veteran of the Norfolk police force, says that he has been subjected to complaints and investigations because he strongly resisted a campaign to encourage support for 'Gay History Month' among the members of that force. Cogman has already been forced to pay a fine of £1,200 for alleged violations of department regulations, because he encouraged colleagues to resist the department's pro-homosexual campaign. He now faces further disciplinary hearings on charges that he has promoted 'homophobic' viewpoints.
http://catholicactionuk.blogspot.com/2008/07/policeman-faces-charges-o f-homophobia.html
Yes Tony. The Dawkins hypothesis sours the world without a doubt. There is an expressive and creative force and we're all it. We're all little atoms of God surely. There is no non-purpose - we are the purpose. That realisation is fuelling the change. Something is contained of this in the Zeitgeist kind of position.. It tries to explain how the symbolism is reiterated via religions in order to restrict progress through mythologising.
The initiated have known always that we are free and unfettered if left alone to mix and fulfill
Yes God exists and we are beginning to realise that because we are that expression, not because of religion or its opposition _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction
The problem I have with this short vid is that is shows, near the end, people who where/are anti Christianity and include such figures as Hitler and Maralyn Manson. This, imo, is to try and point out that people who do not follow Christianity are evil, bad people.
Well, that's fine but just have a look at two great Christians in modern times, George Bush and Tony Blair.
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject:
TonyGosling wrote:
jason67 wrote:
look at two great Christians in modern times, George Bush and Tony Blair.
Bush is Skull and Bones = satanic
and Blair is a Rosicrucian whatever that is
Don't you ever wonder if they are really following Jesus Christ by what they actually say and do?
And do you take everything war criminals say at face value?
Get real - Jason67
Hi again Tony,
I think you have missed the point of my post, I'm not attacking Christianity (or you for that matter) but rather the film.
By comparing non believers to Hitler was like me highliting that GB & TB are good Christians, its wrong, of course it is.
The film goes on to say that I had better check with my sources because if I don't then "you will be judged by Christ at his return and if you have watched this film then you are without excuse, its your choice"
What kind of c*** is that? Does that mean that I'm in the s*** when Christ returns if I'm not a Christian? I always thought tolerance and forgiveness was big with Christians, obviously not with the guys that made that film.
I have watched Zietgiest and I'm now looking to see if all that they say in the film is true or not, hence that is why I watched the film that you posted as well as reading this thread very carefully.
Cheers Jason
P.S I know that GB&TB are playing religious game, and how well they do it. It makes me sick to see them in church holding hands with a tear in there eye. I just wish that other members of the church, as well as the general population of this world, would see them as we do, war criminals of the highest order.
I don't think that Zeitgeist was intended misinformation. The first part of Zeitgeist does not deny the existence of God but rather, is an attempt to expose religion. Some of what it says might be incorrect but if people look at those things through the tunnel vision of religion and filter out what it says on the whole, they are throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
Through religion the man who many call Jesus Christ has been represented as a Sun god and whether he actually existed (or not) is not the important point being made by the movie. There are many sources that say very similar things about the origins of religions and much of is undeniable to any rational mind.
http://paganizingfaithofyeshua.netfirms.com/horus_vs_jesus_similaritie s.htm _________________ "Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish." - Euripides
"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it." - Albert Einstein
"To find yourself, think for yourself" - Socrates
It's not misinformation Tony; it's just a difference of opinion.
The obvious offence it is going to cause many people is one of several reasons I think the first section of Zeitgesit is unnecesary and eliminates it as a campaign film for me. Which is a shame as the rest of the film is an absolute treat.
Imagine this as a sales pitch:
"Hi, first of all let me tell you that the very foundation of your spiritual and philosophical beleifs is a load of nonsense, and you're an idiot for believing what you believe.
Now that's out of the way, hi - I'm Stefan, can I interest you to a leaflet about 9/11 and the money system?" _________________
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject:
I'm not a postmodernist and tend to go along with traditional thinking in University History and Theology Departments.
Like 9/11 it's not just about opinion but historical fact.
Zeitgeist is factually three-quarters spot on, one quarter balls to Brixton (the first) IMO.
Stefan wrote:
It's not misinformation Tony; it's just a difference of opinion.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject:
TonyGosling wrote:
I'm not a postmodernist and tend to go along with traditional thinking in University History and Theology Departments.
Like 9/11 it's not just about opinion but historical fact.
Just because something is taught in theology school it doesn't make it historic fact.
http://scripturetext.com/psalms/146-3.htm _________________ "Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish." - Euripides
"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it." - Albert Einstein
"To find yourself, think for yourself" - Socrates
The obvious offence it is going to cause many people is one of several reasons I think the first section of Zeitgesit is unnecesary and eliminates it as a campaign film for me. Which is a shame as the rest of the film is an absolute treat.
Spot on, I can't comprehend the harshness of the attack on Christian dogma either.
It's one thing to be frustrated about the way religion, in the form of a political establishment, has become just another establishment tool for control.
But it is quite another thing to not cherish some of the ground-breaking ideas of Christian philosophy, and to not celebrate their positive influence on human consciousness.
And not only that, the documentary also fails to draw the parallels between, for example, Ghandi's revolutionary perspective and Christian philosophy.
Interesting to note here that another great spirit, Leo Tolstoy, with whom Ghandi corresponded, was excommunicated by the Russian Church for his beliefs.
Quite a shame for the film, because for the most part the rest of it is exceptional indeed (with some exceptions, e.g. the misleading context of the JFK speech).
THE world’s most watched internet documentary is to be screened on TV in the UK for the first time.
Zeitgeist the Movie makes a series of outrageous claims - and even says 9/11 was allowed to happen by the US Government to generate mass fear.
Since going online in 2007 the documentary has proved massively popular with conspiracy theorists - and has been viewed more than 150 million times.
It alleges that the US Government had advance knowledge about the 9/11 attacks, the military deliberately let the planes reach their targets, and the World Trade Center buildings 1, 2, and 7 underwent a controlled demolition.
And it claims that six of the named hijackers are still alive.
It will be shown on EMTV, Channel 200 on the BSkyB platform at 8pm, this Sunday.
EMTV executive producer Keith Goodyer said: “We have considered the situation very carefully and our view is that it is in the public’s interest, particularly in our free and open society, to show the film and allow people to make their own judgement on the issues it raises.”
But at its release critic Shane Hegarty panned the documentary as “deluded, disingenuous and manipulative nonsense.” _________________ http://www.shoestring911.blogspot.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:56 am Post subject:
acrobat74 wrote:
QuitTheirClogs wrote:
Yup; that settles it. Zeitgeist is New World Order disinfo.
Following your reasoning, then so is 'Zero'?
Has Sky shown Zero? That’s a genuine question as it’s quite possible they did and I missed it.
If yes; was it also simultaneously promoted in thw News of the World or similar?
Have Sky shown Loose Change (the most famous 9/11 truth film by far) or the award winning Elephant in the Room? _________________ Simon - http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
Shane Hegerty? Hmm, reminds me so of Shaun O'Sanity on Fox News - but as one can expect of rags like NotW, seems they got the wrong critic, in reality one Davin O'Dwyer according to:-
http://www.911truth.ie/posts/post10.html
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:20 am Post subject:
This video makes it very clear what the zombois are trying to do
link the massive lies of 9/11, 7/7 and the banking fraud
with religion
like the greatest horror humanity has ever perpetrated
is the greatest truths of civilised life
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