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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could it be that the ideas expressed in the first part of Zeitgeist are part of an attempt to form a 'New Age' man-made religion?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TonyGosling wrote:
The Zeitgeist hoax?
could some of the Zeitgeist movie be disinformation???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1FviEQY2yc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kr4l2m3RWg



Hi Tony,

The problem I have with this short vid is that is shows, near the end, people who where/are anti Christianity and include such figures as Hitler and Maralyn Manson. This, imo, is to try and point out that people who do not follow Christianity are evil, bad people.
Well, that's fine but just have a look at two great Christians in modern times, George Bush and Tony Blair.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jason67 wrote:
look at two great Christians in modern times, George Bush and Tony Blair.


Bush is Skull and Bones = satanic
and Blair is a Rosicrucian whatever that is

Don't you ever wonder if they are really following Jesus Christ by what they actually say and do?
And do you take everything war criminals say at face value?
Get real - Jason67

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TonyGosling wrote:
jason67 wrote:
look at two great Christians in modern times, George Bush and Tony Blair.


Bush is Skull and Bones = satanic
and Blair is a Rosicrucian whatever that is

Don't you ever wonder if they are really following Jesus Christ by what they actually say and do?
And do you take everything war criminals say at face value?
Get real - Jason67


Hi again Tony,
I think you have missed the point of my post, I'm not attacking Christianity (or you for that matter) but rather the film.

By comparing non believers to Hitler was like me highliting that GB & TB are good Christians, its wrong, of course it is.

The film goes on to say that I had better check with my sources because if I don't then "you will be judged by Christ at his return and if you have watched this film then you are without excuse, its your choice"
What kind of c*** is that? Does that mean that I'm in the s*** when Christ returns if I'm not a Christian? I always thought tolerance and forgiveness was big with Christians, obviously not with the guys that made that film.

I have watched Zietgiest and I'm now looking to see if all that they say in the film is true or not, hence that is why I watched the film that you posted as well as reading this thread very carefully.

Cheers Jason
P.S I know that GB&TB are playing religious game, and how well they do it. It makes me sick to see them in church holding hands with a tear in there eye. I just wish that other members of the church, as well as the general population of this world, would see them as we do, war criminals of the highest order.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:26 pm    Post subject: In defence of Zeitgeist Reply with quote

TonyGosling wrote:
The Zeitgeist hoax?

could some of the Zeitgeist movie be disinformation???


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1FviEQY2yc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kr4l2m3RWg


I don't think that Zeitgeist was intended misinformation. The first part of Zeitgeist does not deny the existence of God but rather, is an attempt to expose religion. Some of what it says might be incorrect but if people look at those things through the tunnel vision of religion and filter out what it says on the whole, they are throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Through religion the man who many call Jesus Christ has been represented as a Sun god and whether he actually existed (or not) is not the important point being made by the movie. There are many sources that say very similar things about the origins of religions and much of is undeniable to any rational mind.

http://paganizingfaithofyeshua.netfirms.com/horus_vs_jesus_similaritie s.htm

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not misinformation Tony; it's just a difference of opinion.

The obvious offence it is going to cause many people is one of several reasons I think the first section of Zeitgesit is unnecesary and eliminates it as a campaign film for me. Which is a shame as the rest of the film is an absolute treat.

Imagine this as a sales pitch:

"Hi, first of all let me tell you that the very foundation of your spiritual and philosophical beleifs is a load of nonsense, and you're an idiot for believing what you believe.

Now that's out of the way, hi - I'm Stefan, can I interest you to a leaflet about 9/11 and the money system?"

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not a postmodernist and tend to go along with traditional thinking in University History and Theology Departments.
Like 9/11 it's not just about opinion but historical fact.
Zeitgeist is factually three-quarters spot on, one quarter balls to Brixton (the first) IMO.

Stefan wrote:
It's not misinformation Tony; it's just a difference of opinion.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm not a postmodernist and tend to go along with traditional thinking in University History and Theology Departments.
Like 9/11 it's not just about opinion but historical fact.

Just because something is taught in theology school it doesn't make it historic fact.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The obvious offence it is going to cause many people is one of several reasons I think the first section of Zeitgesit is unnecesary and eliminates it as a campaign film for me. Which is a shame as the rest of the film is an absolute treat.

Spot on, I can't comprehend the harshness of the attack on Christian dogma either.

It's one thing to be frustrated about the way religion, in the form of a political establishment, has become just another establishment tool for control.

But it is quite another thing to not cherish some of the ground-breaking ideas of Christian philosophy, and to not celebrate their positive influence on human consciousness.

And not only that, the documentary also fails to draw the parallels between, for example, Ghandi's revolutionary perspective and Christian philosophy.
Interesting to note here that another great spirit, Leo Tolstoy, with whom Ghandi corresponded, was excommunicated by the Russian Church for his beliefs.

Quite a shame for the film, because for the most part the rest of it is exceptional indeed (with some exceptions, e.g. the misleading context of the JFK speech).

Makes one wonder.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:39 am    Post subject: Zeitgeist movie on UK satellite TV tonight Reply with quote

From today's News of the World:

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/215866/Controversial-documentary- Zeitgeist-the-Movie-which-says-911-was-allowed-to-happen-is-to-be-scre ened-on-British-TV.html
Documentary claims 9/11 was allowed to happen

By Katy Walford, 13/03/2009

THE world’s most watched internet documentary is to be screened on TV in the UK for the first time.


Zeitgeist the Movie makes a series of outrageous claims - and even says 9/11 was allowed to happen by the US Government to generate mass fear.

Since going online in 2007 the documentary has proved massively popular with conspiracy theorists - and has been viewed more than 150 million times.

It alleges that the US Government had advance knowledge about the 9/11 attacks, the military deliberately let the planes reach their targets, and the World Trade Center buildings 1, 2, and 7 underwent a controlled demolition.

And it claims that six of the named hijackers are still alive.

It will be shown on EMTV, Channel 200 on the BSkyB platform at 8pm, this Sunday.

EMTV executive producer Keith Goodyer said: “We have considered the situation very carefully and our view is that it is in the public’s interest, particularly in our free and open society, to show the film and allow people to make their own judgement on the issues it raises.”

But at its release critic Shane Hegarty panned the documentary as “deluded, disingenuous and manipulative nonsense.”

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup; that settles it. Zeitgeist is New World Order disinfo.
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Yup; that settles it. Zeitgeist is New World Order disinfo.

Following your reasoning, then so is 'Zero'?

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Yup; that settles it. Zeitgeist is New World Order disinfo.

Following your reasoning, then so is 'Zero'?


Has Sky shown Zero? That’s a genuine question as it’s quite possible they did and I missed it.

If yes; was it also simultaneously promoted in thw News of the World or similar?

Have Sky shown Loose Change (the most famous 9/11 truth film by far) or the award winning Elephant in the Room?

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Yup; that settles it. Zeitgeist is New World Order disinfo.

Following your reasoning, then so is 'Zero'?

Has Sky shown Zero?

No, state Russian TV has though.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the documentary has proved massively popular with conspiracy theorists - and has been viewed more than 150 million times.


Gotta love that phrase. Does it mean 'conspiracy theorists' are now a mainstream force to be reckoned with? ;-)

Think I'll take the Harbinson approach for now...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._A._Harbinson
http://www.sumotorrent.com/details/1943837/Harbinson-Projekt%20Saucer% 202-Phoenix%20(nazi%20flying%20saucers).html

As for the 'Zeitgeist-is-an-NWO-Luciferian-Project' claim, I think there maybe some 'belief-bias' running this particular meme. See also:-
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=15874&postdays=0&post order=asc&start=30

Shane Hegerty? Hmm, reminds me so of Shaun O'Sanity on Fox News - but as one can expect of rags like NotW, seems they got the wrong critic, in reality one Davin O'Dwyer according to:-
http://www.911truth.ie/posts/post10.html


Crazy world - looks like Murdoch vs Murdoch with some arm-twisting from Branson!

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This video makes it very clear what the zombois are trying to do
link the massive lies of 9/11, 7/7 and the banking fraud
with religion
like the greatest horror humanity has ever perpetrated
is the greatest truths of civilised life

I suppose everyone is wondering whether they'll get away with it
and just how easily they will be able to browbeat the peple of the world into their little cages
Stand by for the new religion ... of no religion.

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Stand by for the new religion ...


WE’RE ALL INDIVIDUALS!



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8004024.stm

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

at last
a comprehensive historical analysis that critiques Zeitgeist too
but it's long - nearly 2 hours and 20 minutes


Aquarius - The Age Of Evil (Full Movie)

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A documentary film by Keith Thompson (youtube user Keithtruth):
http://www.youtube.com/user/KeithTruth

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