9/11, 7/7, Covid-1984 & the War on Freedom

maybe you would like to explain and demonstrate what should of happened to the plane and towers? it seems nobody else is willing to back up why they think im wrong. yes the part of the crash where the plane hit/impacted/collided/smashed into the wall at 500MPH. The impact of the steel building hitt...

I´m not aware of anything shot from inside the building. Are you aware of anything that shows or reports a crash as we know it, with pieces of the plane breaking off and falling down the outside of the building (as has happened with other plane crashes)?

OK in return for my humouring you (on another thread) about how you don't know what a plane crash is and don't know how to use Google, please can you humour me a bit. I arrived too late on the scene to catch the pod/hologram stuff - please can you link me to your disputes with the pod/hologram theo...

Now on to your next claim that it "entered intact" - where exactly is the evidence that this happened at all? Obviously there is no evidence that the plane entered WTC2 intact, since the story is made up. However, the image of the plane entering intact was broadcast on CNN and other chann...

Madge, Don’t you remember the NYC small plane crash? That entered the building: Maybe that building didn’t have a steel frame? I don’t know. But we DO that this one did – The Empire States Building: That entered the building, and the steel frame was covered in stone as well. And what about the fact...

very few people in the hologram etc camp???? ok maybe your right ive not heard much from there is recent months, however when there was numerous people in that camp they all swore blind they were correct and that those who didnt believe it were gatekeepers ect. may i ask why not many people would b...

OK, let’s pretend (just for a moment) that marky 54 doesn’t know what happens in plane crashes, assumed planes were indestructible, has never thought about this before, has never looked at the internet on matters relating to the planes on 9/11 and hasn't read anything any no-planer on on this forum ...

However correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe Dr Woods is claiming that she can prove exactly what happened either. As I understand it she is challenging the relevent authorities to explain away evidence that she claims does not fit with the official explanations and asking whether DEW could...

I think 'crash' focuses on the moving object doing the crashing, and 'impact' on the thing hit. We usually refer to plane crashes, probably implying the commonly-held knowledge that a plane generally comes off worse in any collision. If a plane has crashed you don’t expect it to take off again, you ...

Let's take the molecular dissociating soil damping for just one instance. In my town (Anytown, County Down) paving stones and concrete roads are always getting cracked by heavy traffic. The skin of a city street is only a few inches deep, and if an overweight lorry cutting a corner can break that s...

You say NPT wouldn't be a problem if people within the movement didn't "unneccesarily" refute it. Well this movement is just a cross section of society, it is refuted because it is not believed. Snowygrouch has written very comprehensivley on how a plane would cause exactly that damage, b...

We're not just talking about how the media has and will continue to use the NPT against the Truth Campaign, we need to think how it impacts on the general public…. We should ….. focus most of our energy on spreading the basic fact that the OCT just does not add up. We are all supposed to be on the ...

Why do you consider it to be so "wacky" that the most common cause of building's complete destruction, pre-9/11, should be put on the table as a theory for the reason the buildings collapsed that day? It isn't, which is why this message has had such success spreading around the world from...

Madge deflected the questions by trying to bring the conversation into whether or not steel beams were sliced. Cheeky! It was you Stefan who first introduced the 'slicing' question as a dig at NPT-ers: If you look at the hole the plane did not leave a perfect shape of it's self - the continual pres...

Ian, I appreciate the line that you tread, but I honestly cannot see how you believe No Planes Theory to be so much more out-there than Controlled-Demolition Theory that it’s in a different league for the average person. NPT is only made taboo because it’s disputed unnecessarily by people inside the...

Madge, 1. That's a drawing, not a photo. 2. You aren't answering my question. I want you to explain to me how a bomb caused this damage. 1. That's a diagram that supposedly shows the damage caused by the plane. Do you mean you can't see the diagonal cuts caused by the wings slicing through? 2. Sorr...

Nice example - a rare instance of 'no planes' getting on air, and the TV interviewer took it all in his stride. To him it was no nuttier than any other aspect of the nutty conspiracy story (and he was quite restrained compared to the other idiots we've seen recently since the Rosie thing). No sky ca...

Yup, it's thermite, thermite, thermite all the way for me. See those big clouds? Thermite. That dirt in the firetruck? Thermite. Well either that or it's thermate. One or the other. Now don't be alarmed, please go back to sleep. "For a while now I have been pointing out that there were about 10...

Regarding the last point, have any physicists or engineers produced any papers proving that it's impossible for the plane/planes to have crashed into the building/buildings as it/they appeared to?...Isn’t there a problem with this reasoning? If planes are known not to be able to enter buildings – a...

So that's it, is it? The New Statesman? And did the article kind of say, "Well we thought he had a point about elements in US deliberately blowing up the towers and killing 3,000 of their own citizens, but once he got on to 'no planes' - well, he lost us there"?

As to the plane slicing through steel - what would you call the diagonal cuts in the steel columns which make up the wingtip shape? Those aren't steel- that's aluminium cladding, there to make the tower look nice and shiney. http://killtown.911review.org/images/wtc-gallery/nist1d/2-3_wtc1-damage-wi...

Regards my question about what is Steve Jones’ line on crash physics - I can’t imagine a scientist would argue that a plane would be shredded if it was standing upright and one of the twin towers was dropped on it at 500mph. Or does he? As to the plane slicing through steel - what would you call the...

This is the lie that Holmgren accuses Wood of: “Morgan Reynolds and Judy Wood self righteously attack the dishonest fraudulent science of Steven Jones, and of NIST, at the same time as telling us that Professor Wood won’t affirm a simple and fundamental scientific principle like Newton's third law o...

I can't be arsed to look for the footage right now, but in the clips I've seen I'm sure Bush says he was waiting to go into the classroom, and the TV was obviously on, and he saw the plane hit the tower and thought that's one lousy pilot, etc. But from his schedule, the timing was not possible for a...

So we can watch TV footage of the destruction of the towers and extrapolate from that and somehow still arrive at certainty, yet we can't watch TV footage of the alleged 'plane crash' and extrapolate from that and arrive at certainty. Funny, that. Notice how it's never called a 'crash' as well, as t...

londonsound wrote:he's saying to the public "hey I saw the same footage as you and i thought it was an accident like you did".

The problem is, Bush couldn't have seen the same footage as everyone else, as the 1st hit wasn't shown on TV until much later in the day.

Oh dear, Craig W - I know how disappointing and baffling it is when your question doesn’t seem to be addressed straight away or perhaps even noticed. I’ve asked many times for just a single example of the mass media using no-planes as a stick to beat otherwise-sensible conspiracy theorists with, but...

If you're interested in the issues rather than personal attacks, you can now also listen to Peggy Carter talking about TV fakery on Fetzer's programme.

Am just downloading it myself, hope it works OK..

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/9 ... order=desc

Mark Gobell wrote:Would this be a fair and simple statement of position on the 9/11 videographic bone of contention ?

The large Boeing Camp could now be correctly termed TV Huggers ?

Comments please.

A late comment, but years ago Nico Haupt & co started calling the TV-fakery deniers 'teletubbies'. Better, no?

I can see some sense in the Meyssan/Tarpley theory you cite. But the idea that Bush lied about the first hit twice on camera simply to support the planes theory doesn't make any sense. He and his advisors would have known that his claiming to have seen the first impact would have been a massive red...