9/11, 7/7, Covid-1984 & the War on Freedom

chek wrote: three skyscrapers being disassembled down to the very last floor happens absolutely naturally to be propagating, or something?

Naturally? You missed the part about the jet liners huh?

Where did all the truthers go?

Hmm maybe this has something to do with his "prophecy"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... ope112.xml

Ah I didn't see that link originally, sorry about that, the thing is just because somebody claims 20 others (perhaps Rodriguez) doesn't make it so, unless you can provide some actual statements I'm inclined to ignore that article. Now I know there are a number of people who do make this claim, howev...

There were two seperate booms. The first on one of the basement levels. Then a much bigger one when the plane impacted. ...According to a minority of witnesses, some of whom (Rodriguez) have made a fair sum of money out of claiming so. Speculating the cause of the pre-impact explosion is foolish. I...

Stefan wrote:
...Never mind the fact that the experts who say it was a controlled demolition have the exact same information

These experts include?...

(Note: Other projects have kept me away from here for a couple of weeks and probably will again, so that's why I've not checked this thread for a while, KP50 still no closer to proving anything? Shocking...well, not really.) I agree However, all 20 seem to agree that there were pre-impact explosions...

If you can find me an example of professionals such as people working for the NTSB or other, similar, organisations or with the qualifications and experience to analyze the FDR saying it couldn't have been there I would be interested in seeing it.

Nice avoidance of the FDR issue as well. Well I was trying to keep the focus on the "built up area" issue which you still havnt proved to be true. But right on schedule you've changed the subject. A recurring theme in this thread has been changing the subject, we've gone through at least ...

Yes it's very tedious, because Truthers can't prove anything they say.

KP, please show how the Pentagon is "well hidden in a built up area" as you claim.

Once again, to any truther that doesnt grasp this, the burden of proof is on you. These are your accusations, innocent until proven guilty ring a bell? Prove the government is guilty... KP50, for perhaps the dozenth time, please show that it was impossible for flight 77 to hit the pentagon the way i...

I said it would be impossible for a plane of that size, travelling at that speed, to impact the Pentagon flying level to and just above the ground. It would have to still be descending due to the previous obstacles in the flight path. And eye witnesses say it was still descending, please look at th...

I asked pepik to prove it - I thought he was going to at least try. Maybe you can help him? Or maybe you have no idea of the details of the Pentagon incident? But why did you ask him to prove it when the burden of proof is so clearly on you, the Truthers. That's a rhetorical question, don't waste t...

Perhaps you are forgot which example of your brilliance we are currently laughing at. So here's a reminder: the Pentagon would have to be raised up above the surrounding land - it isn't, it is actually well hidden within a well built up area . So you are ignoring the point at hand ...... Which was ...

You're banging your head against a steel reinforced concrete limestone brick wall Marky54, remember these people think that that OBL "911? I dunnit" home video he carelessly left out for his old CIA buddies December 01 was actually 'kosher'!! they confound their stoopidity by saying thing...

Well, KP50, you can easily end this discussion simply by proving your point, can't you? The old maxim is "he who asserts must prove", and you have made assertions about the topology of the area surrounding the Pentagon, so it is up to you to prove it. If you are correct, that should be qu...

Darn, you truthers caught me again, thats right me and Alex V are the same Super Secret Agent!

9/11 was a security failure I agree, what I don't understand is how that security failure can be blamed on Myers, what specific failures are you accusing him of?

And then here is KP50 not asking those same questions, why...incase the answers prove everything he has said previously to be incorrect...fear of being wrong...

Perhaps up there with the ever popular

"Arabs are all stupid, live in caves and can't fly airplanes"

No, not a joke.

I'm still not sure why you believe General Myers was complacent or incompetent, what he did or did not do to make you come to that conclusion...

I suspect your just echoing some Truther website and don't actually know yourself.

This is not a complete list by any means however it is the only one I could find quickly. http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm So nothing hit the light poles? Either they fell over on their own or some one came and chopped them down? I guess No-Planers come in all shapes and ...

A coherent insider account. A theory which is actually plausible and doesn't rely on the cruel torture of facts and logic. i.e. a theory which actually makes sense. Something less than 1000x more complicated and far fetched than the official theory. Expert opinions from actual experts who have actu...

This is not a complete list by any means however it is the only one I could find quickly. http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm So nothing hit the light poles? Either they fell over on their own or some one came and chopped them down? I guess No-Planers come in all shapes and s...

And how do you explain the eye witnesses that saw the plane hit the light poles and then the pentagon?

If not Flight 77, what did hit the light poles and then the Pentagon?

... You're right, it is conjecture. But in all fairness, it all is at this point. It's not as though I've got access to the physical evidence, nor the capability to do independent tests myself. Calling it conjecture has as much relevance as if I called everything you said a simple repetition of the...

What I want you to do is prove that Flight 77 could actually hit the light-poles, fly horizontally into the Pentagon at almost ground level without touching the ground and then cause the damage as shown.

You prove that it isn't possible...the burden of proof is on you remember.

So Leiff, your reply to my criticisms is to repeat everything you said that? Even though it had been proven wrong? It was not a symmetrical collapse, I don't care how many YouTube videos you've seen I predict that you are not qualified to identify a symmetrical collapse. Nor am I but I have layed do...

Keep in mind also the CJCS's role is not an operational one but is to strategically coordinate efforts between the armed forces,

This is just another example of Truthers using hatever they can to try to prove there argument.

Then stop repeating what has been proven false and we won't have to remind you that it's been proven false will we?

In terms of Shayler, the main points of the article concern 9/11 truth in general, not Shayler's theories. I think it is hits the nail on the head actually - whether the truth movement is right or wrong, it is having a debilitating effect on other, far more useful political discourse. Indeed, you j...