9/11, 7/7, Covid-1984 & the War on Freedom

As of so far, nobody is able to point and say - here's how it was done, in such a way as to satisfy all the information." Apart from severe damage and intense fire followed by natural collapse of weakened structures, that is ..... Would you care to define 'intense', as my recollection of NIST'...

Especially when the energy sink for "pulverization" isn't actually going to 60 microns, or costs 1.5 kWh/t. For instance, the 1.5 kWh number quoted in that paper is quoting the power delivered at the input to a pulverization machine. Pulverization is an incredibly ineffecient process, and...

Well, 850 billion verseus 400 billion is only a factor of 2. I divded by 100 in my calculation, so it doesn't really change much. That "error" is well within the noise. Even if I propagate it, I get 3.5 tons or so, of melted steel, between the two towers. The calculation is so crude that ...

Where in those links does it explain the "well understood process" of the falling friction of buildings collapsing CD style resulting in basements swimming with molten steel 8 weeks post collapse? maybe Aggle' let a freudian slip by saying 'a link doesn't make it true'? We really are stra...

Not at all. The reasoning surely is 'this event in it's initial stages has many characteristics of a pyroclastic flow. What could cause that'?' It seems that you're construction seeks to work back from a conclusion rather than working forward from the observed evidence. We can argue and say that th...

I know this is getting repetetive, but as far as I am aware, nobody has claimed that every single scrap of concrete was powderised. Howvever I think I'm fairly safe in asserting that nowhere that a building complex has been demolished by accident or design has it left a whole city borough inches th...

I know this is getting repetetive, but as far as I am aware, nobody has claimed that every single scrap of concrete was powderised. Howvever I think I'm fairly safe in asserting that nowhere that a building complex has been demolished by accident or design has it left a whole city borough inches th...

Hoffman's paper has several serious flaws: Part I of my analysis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center Height (m) 417 Height (ft) 1,368 Stories 110 http://www.house.gov/science/hot/wtc/wtc-report/WTC_ch2.pdf Section 2.2.1.1 American Airlines Flight 11 struck the north face of WTC 1 approxi...

Utter debunking of KT's photo analysis found here: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php? ... t=killtown

Yes, exaggerate the points we make to the point of ridiculousness. I hate having to get into pedantic treatises on minute nuances of meaning, but it may be the only way to bull through these black-n-white interpretations of virtually every statement on this forum. When I say that the buildings fell...

"FDNY fire fighters remain under a gag order (Rodriguezvs-1.Bush.pdf, p. 10) to not discuss the explosions they heard, felt and saw. FAA personnel are also under a 9/11 gag order. Even the 9/11 Commission (Kean-Zelikow) Report acknowledges that "none of the [fire] chiefs present believed ...

... However, demonstrating the strong evidence of an official cover up and the urgent need for impartial re-investigation becomes more likely as the political climate shifts. (50% believe the 911 inquiries are a cover up nationally in the US, and 66% of New Yorkers in recent polls.) Can you please ...

Whew, good thing the majority of it was > 60 microns in size.

Settling this debate is pretty simple. go and read the testimony of the firefighters who were there for hours, saw the fires and gaping hole in #7, and fully expected it it to come down. This is an untested assertion - in fact a red herring. How would firefighters have 'known' it was going to colla...

This paper http://www.jnani.org/mrking/writings/911/king911.htm addresses Jones' claims of nano-thermite.

Let me see if I understand where you are coming from, and please, correct me if I am mistaken; I don't want to inadvertantly start setting up a strawman argument. You are grounding your arguments/claims on the base idea that Islamic/Muslim militants are an outgrowth, or at least backed by, US intel...

Let me see if I understand where you are coming from, and please, correct me if I am mistaken; I don't want to inadvertantly start setting up a strawman argument. You are grounding your arguments/claims on the base idea that Islamic/Muslim militants are an outgrowth, or at least backed by, US intell...

http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm Very interesting that a high ranking FBI official would make the statement that they have no evidence connecting Bin Laden to the WTC attacks. If you guys are so sure of the validity of the offical CT then yo...

Seriously? Surely they can come up with better than that! If it really was a 'pressure wave' then wouldn't it have occured throughout the floor and not in one concentrated place? It would seem that ASCE members do not find the debris ejection to be an anomoly of the collapse: http://www.geocities.c...

The first thing investigators do is look for the PEOPLE with the motive. Then they compare these people against the initial evidence and come up with a suspect list. If there's no corroborating evidence, then motive ON ITS OWN, does not implicate a suspect. For god sake. If your neighbour wrote to ...

Seriously? Surely they can come up with better than that! If it really was a 'pressure wave' then wouldn't it have occured throughout the floor and not in one concentrated place? It would seem that ASCE members do not find the debris ejection to be an anomoly of the collapse: http://www.geocities.c...

Read my post in the PNAC topic. I'm through listening to your apologist bulls**t. And yet we're perfectly willing to discuss your Islamic terrorist apologist BS... go figure. See, if you actually knew anything about the history of radical Islamists you would realise how utterly ridiculous that stat...

DeFecToR wrote:Read my post in the PNAC topic.

I'm through listening to your apologist bulls**t.

And yet we're perfectly willing to discuss your Islamic terrorist apologist BS... go figure.

DeFecToR wrote:If you'd like a hack job explanation then try this;

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html

Its pathetic i know, but hey, we're in critics corner!

Perhaps you could provide something more substantive than, "Its (sic) pathetic" as a counterargument to the 911myths analysis.

Oh the Al Qaeda shills bit: Is that how rational skeptics respond to percieved irrational comments? by making their own irrational comments? I care about truth: its essential for justice: and without justice, there will be no peace And mankind cannot afford Wars Also on the topic of Al Qaeda, shall...

Dissenting voices is not the problem: after all SoG and CTS started threads, had debate, and it didnt disrupt the forum the issue seems to me to be blatent thread hijacking with no regard to the subject matter. A bit of wandering is one thing, but weve seen something more than that By having a diss...

Since it seems clear that rather than have an evidence based discussion you would rather limit/silence dissent I'll leave you to your little Osama apologist/9-11 denier forum. If, however, you want to engage in actual discussion over the evidence feel free to come to the JREF forums http://forums.ra...

I would disagree with that assessment. Consider the following: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=53102 http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=57424 http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=58618 I had a look. Hardly a discussion of the facts, just self-important negative losers spitting ar...

The official conspiracy theory cannot be sustained through discussion of the facts. I would disagree with that assessment. Consider the following: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=53102 http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=57424 http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=58618 This crew w...

Ally, Your time is never wasted. It just saves the rest of us the bother. I agree with you that with most of these people it is not a matter of honest disagreement. They are rotten people peddling false and deliberately misleading information. You should attack the argument, not the person. If the ...