Hi I see a Scotland Group Has Been Set Up...

[Bongo]

I guess I am the first to post in the new Scotland Group pages.

I hope some people join me soon... it is getting lonely in here.

[KennyM]

Right here with ya bud Spoke to you before but don't think i've had the pleasure of meeting up.

[Bongo]

Hi Kenny,

Hope all is well with you mate?

It will be good to get a few more people up here in Scotland posting here to build support for the campaign and get events organised etc.

Cheers,

Brian.

[xmasdale]

Hi Kenny

Good to see you posting again. Greetings from south of the border.

Hi Bongo, I don't think we've met. I could alert a few friends in Scotland who use this forum if that would be helpful.

Best

Noel

[truthmonger]

I think there's good work (more focused) we can do up here, especially with the SNP in particular and MSPs in general. I'm meeting my SNP MSP on Saturday (have already emailed her a few times).

You probably know that we had two successful events in Edinburgh - the Tarpley talk and our Edinburgh Truth Collective 'TruthFest'. Webster and others in the tour party said that the Edinburgh event was the best of the tour - much livelier.

I filmed the whole thing (2 1/2 hours) and am right now transferring it to DVD. Because I chose high quality, the result is about 8GB or more - so I'm putting it onto 2 or possibly three DVDs.

If anyone knows the best way of formatting it so that it can fit on one DVD - and be shown on Google - please let me know.

If you mail me your postal address I'll send out copies tomorrow.

My priority list would include:

- personal contact with MSPs
- street action: a larger protest outside the BBC HQ at Pacific Quay; a demo/demos outside Holyrood (I'm about to order an 8' x 4' banner); regular presence in key spots in Edinburgh, Glasgow and elsewhere.

I'm personally drafting a 'Christmas Appeal' letter (on behalf of Edinburgh Truth) which I plan to send to MSPs, church leaders, police chiefs (and deputies - especially the very unpleasant Ian Dickinson in Lothian - more about him below), people in organisations (SACC, charities etc) which ought to be supporting our exposure of the 'war on terror' as a scam.

Did everyone see the article by Rob Edwards in last Sunday's Sunday Herald? It can be viewed at http://www.sundayherald.com/misc/print. ... id=1857656

I think we need to treat this as a priority - it's either 'just' another bit of disgusting scaremongering, or possibly (and that would be really scary) a trail for an actual planned CBRN event in Scotland.

We need to let the police know that we will hold them, the government and the secret services accountable if anything like this happens.

Paul

p.s I have copies of 'Endgame' and 'Zeitgeist'

[Bongo]

That is a shocking article Truthmonger, I never saw last weeks Herald (as I simply do not purchase newspapers any more.)

The best place for news is on the web... at least you can think for yourself what is likely to be true or false.

Cheers,

Brian.

[chek]

I filmed the whole thing (2 1/2 hours) and am right now transferring it to DVD. Because I chose high quality, the result is about 8GB or more - so I'm putting it onto 2 or possibly three DVDs.

If anyone knows the best way of formatting it so that it can fit on one DVD - and be shown on Google - please let me know.

Can I suggest using DVD shrink?
www.afterdawn.com/software/video_softwa ... shrink.cfm

This is commonly used to reduce DVD-9 to back up (ahem) onto DVD-5 and is very simple to use. You transfer the DVD VOB files onto your computer and point DVD shrink at it, adjust the compression ratio to suit and away you go.

I'd also suggest (if you have a broadband connection) distributing it via the torrent system, which avoids the need to downgrade the quality to net video standard.

[Rory Winter]

I had trouble finding the Scottish Section. It should be displayed more significantly, not under 'General'!, on the first page of the Home Page as well as the Forum.

And it should have a small Saltire by its side to distinguish it from being yet another region as some still think we are!

Example of a Saltire:

I could alert a few friends in Scotland who use this forum if that would be helpful.

It would be helpful, Noel. The more the merrier!

We should invite Scots who write in Gaelic as well. Perhaps they would kindly give us a parallel text? As well as the other dialects such as Old Scots and Doric ...

[Keith Mothersson]

Dear folks,
Sorry, I am so technophobic that until pushed by R today I have been avoiding dealing with this request by Moderator, Tony Gosling (below).

1. please change your username to your full real name and ensure that
everybody you want to be a moderator with you does the same since
pseudonyms are not allowed for moderators. You should be able to appoint new Scottish moderators here


2. let me know of any threads you want me to transfer into your new section.


Please e-mail me if you would like to be a moderator of our Scottish section and I will tell Tony - but NB you need to use your real name (it is an 'internal' section). .

Already B in Edinburgh and R up North have agreed, someone(s) from West Coast/Central Belt would be good as well - Kenny?, Bongo? In fact I would be happy to leave a balnaced team to get on with it, and then I would be able to put my main efforts into All Faiths for 911 Truth (division of labour).

Great suggestions, Truthseeker, more power to your elbow.

There is an Annual Meeting of StoptheWar Scotland in Glasgow at 1.30 to 4.30 at TUC building on Saturday 8th Dec, which I am planning on going to - in fact I have asked about submitting a paper saying why we think 911 is and remains so important and also why conspiracy theory doesn't need to contradict 'structural' and institutional historical analyses, indeed can vitalise them, otherwise they are static and miss the point of action by social actors ..... so why not us too?

Not holding my breath for a reply but it is worth keeping up the pressure as we know that there have been high-level discussions in StW/SWP about how to deal with us. Would anyone else like to join me, distribute dvds, etc?

cheers, keith Mothersson

[Rory Winter]

This is now 911 Truth Scotland so how is it meant to be different to the rest of the Forum?

True, we have and will have our own moderators. Having had a brief discussion on this point with Keith I think we may have a different policy on the quality of posts (eg the tone & language of posts).

Ie we felt that it was important that posts should include real content (information) and not just resort to flaming, trolling or simply slagging off each other. Having experience of all the above I agreed that this was very important if we were to have a Scottish Group.

And how about non-Scots visiting and using this thread? Presumably they can visit as "tourists" but do they have any "visa controls"? What makes this Group Section different to the rest is what I'm asking.

[TonyGosling]

Sorry Mr M that's now your job - you should be able to appoint moderators to the new section if all is well - and please don't post my PMs to the public forum in future - that's against forum etiquette

Please e-mail me if you would like to be a moderator of our Scottish section and I will tell Tony

[Rory Winter]

Sorry Mr M that's now your job - you should be able to appoint moderators to the new section if all is well - and please don't post my PMs to the public forum in future - that's against forum etiquette

I see that we have been 'granted independence' with anything but good grace! Sobeit.

I would hope that we can develop something here where intelligent discussion can be had without the deterioration we have seen on the UK list.

[Keith Mothersson]

Sorry for violating your pm etiquette Tony.
I am gradually working out how things work to get our 911 Truth Scotland section happening.
Have just appointed Bongo and Rory, and will appoint Barbara as soon as I have her posting name.

I hope that there is free flow of conversation but not abuse. WShether the two objectives are in conflict depends on everyone who posts. (Personally I reckon those who indulge in abuse are doing so out of quite a driven, uptight space, so not much true 'freedom' for them either, even if no one checks them - as well as interfereing with the psychic security of others who are put off by nastiness.

So lets all keep it clean. And many thanks to the UK site moderators for taking the site this far; hopefully next time the front page is redesigned we may have a different designation as not 'under' the UK but as The forum for 911 Truth Scotland, please Tony.
(And maybe a mini-saltire to go with it, please ?)

What should be different about this section is that it deals with stuff to do with co-operating for 911 Truth (etc) in Scotland, and discusses Sccottish politics etc from a FFT-aware angle.

I am happy for nonScots-residents to contribute to discussions, no prob there, but (pending persuasion) I am against them having a right of appeal. (more on this shortly)

[Rory Winter]

The moderation of abusive language should remain a delicate area. Where abuse is clearly being levelled by one person at another for the sake of abusing that person or persons (ie nothing to do with the substance of an article) is one thing and should be discouraged.

But sometimes strong language might be used within the content of an article. Take for example my recent contribution in the Campaigning section, The BBC, David Miliband and Arseh@le Politics, where the latter phrase is deliberately used to describe and ridicule the USUK 'Special Relationship'.

To ban such language where it is used within the context of an article would amount to the height of intolerance and I would not like to see 911 Truth Scotland characterised in that way.

I hope you will all agree.

[Bongo]

Agreed Rory, also may I suggest that we as moderators of this section are fully capable of the total and complete moderation of this section and it's content and as such, the moderators... Tony et-al, who moderate the rest of the 'uk911truth' forum should refrain from 'active moderation' in the Scotland section (I say this as it has already happened once, involving the removal of a post placed in the Scottish section by a non-scottish moderator.)

I would suggest that it would be prudent for the UK-wide moderators who wish to comment on the content of the Scottish board, that they do so by PM'ing myself, Keith or Rory (or indeed all 3) in order to air their concern for our consideration.

I hope this is acceptable for all, as you know the old adage "too many cooks spoils the broth!"

I hope this too is acceptable for all parties involved?

Regards,

Brian.

[Barbara Maver]

I am now on the forum so you can add my name to the moderators Keith.
Barbara

[Rory Winter]

I hope this is acceptable for all, as you know the old adage "too many cooks spoils the broth!"

I hope this too is acceptable for all parties involved?

I second that, Brian. There's no point of a separate Scottish Section otherwise, is there?

[Bongo]

Hi Rory,

I am glad you agree. I would like to see a very liberal Scottish section, where we are able to talk openly about all issues. I believe that there will actually be a lot less arguments and semantics if people are allowed to put their points across unhindered.

Cheers,

Brian.

[Keith Mothersson]

Dear folks,
Having just put Barbara Maver (East Coast, near Edinburgh) on as a member of the Moderators group. we now have three members of the group, Rory Winter (North of Scotland) and Brian McHugh (West of Scotland) being the others. Over to you three!

I will now play a passive role (apart from normal posting) i.e. no editing or changes to the three co-moderators, unless requested to act by all or both of the moderators and even then if it is 2 against 1 then I would want to consult with Paul Carline and Gerry Moran, who along with me could become an appeals panel in case forum users think they have been hard done by by the moderators.

Is that Okay, at least for now? We can review in a few months or at any future 911 Truth Scotland Conference, which (assuming representativity, not a packed clique in a pokey hole) should have the ultimate say about this Scottish section of the website ... and I would also second the request to our English friends to leave us to it - though thanking them for creating the nineeleven site and now this 911 truth Scotland sub-forum.

Best wishes,
Keith Mothersson

[Bongo]

Cheers Keith,

I hope the Scottish Section grows to be a productive and informative location for the growth of the Scottish 911 Truth movement.

I would also like to re-iterate your thanks to our southern cousins for granting us this facility.

Regards,

Brian.

[Reflecter]

Truthmonger wrote:

I filmed the whole thing (2 1/2 hours) and am right now transferring it to DVD. Because I chose high quality, the result is about 8GB or more - so I'm putting it onto 2 or possibly three DVDs.

If anyone knows the best way of formatting it so that it can fit on one DVD - and be shown on Google - please let me know.

I realise this is awhile ago and that DVD shrink was suggested for the DVD version on one disc but a friend managed to compress 4 long 9/11 movies onto one disc, so I will ask him what he used for that.

In addition for google uploads of this 8gb file I advise you to start from an mpeg format of it and use the freeware 'Pocket DIXV Encoder' http://www.pocketdivxencoder.net/. Though it can handle other formats.

Choose the PC setting and 100% video quality and it will massively shrink the resultant .avi with virtually no loss of quality. I've converted from 6gb to less than 900mb and little discernable difference. Worth a try at least.

[Rory Winter]

I believe that there will actually be a lot less arguments and semantics if people are allowed to put their points across unhindered.

I quite agree. This is exactly what I was trying to do in the thread I initiated, Eurosocialist & Antifascist: Who's Blocking Our Rights?, before it descended into a pointless slanging match.

A slanging-match which remains highly popular I should note with well over 9000 hits so far!

So the question is: do our readers like this sort of thing?

[TonyGosling]

What we do down sarf is to simply hide all racist or abusive posts - it seems to work.

Hi Rory,

I am glad you agree. I would like to see a very liberal Scottish section, where we are able to talk openly about all issues. I believe that there will actually be a lot less arguments and semantics if people are allowed to put their points across unhindered.

Cheers,

Brian.

[Bongo]

Cool Tony,

I don't envisage there being too many difficulties (fingers crossed ), but if there is, I guess we will have to judge the specifics of the content when it happens.

Cheers,

Brian.

[Rory Winter]

I guess we will have to judge the specifics of the content when it happens.

I think that's about the best we can do in a permanently contentious area.