David Ray Griffin is a globalist.

[Stephen]

Our lives are far two much over complacated allready and maybe we all need to shed a lot of the excess needless sh*t and get down to the hard core Truth.

My 14 year old daughter has a better and more nuanced understanding of human nature than you appear to have.

Don't patronize me mate You know nothing about me.

[chek]

Our lives are far two much over complacated allready and maybe we all need to shed a lot of the excess needless sh*t and get down to the hard core Truth.

This desire for simplification seems to be a common trait in the no plane consciousness.

My 14 year old daughter has a better and more nuanced understanding of human nature than you appear to have.

Don't patronize me mate You know nothing about me.

I'm commenting on what you write here. You can take it how you will.

[John White]

What Stephen is saying, basically, is "Your either with me (think the same as me): or your my enemy"

Thats Sith speak, that is

[Stephen]

What Stephen is saying, basically, is "Your either with me (think the same as me): or your my enemy"

Thats Sith speak, that is

Your talking about yourself Agent White, you wouldnt understaned the God/Love Energy DARK LORD!

[Stephen]

Oh yes you do,

Or there is no law which means no justice & mob rule.
If you find someone breaking into your car you'll call the cops I bet.

On the wider world the League of Nations and the UN were both fundamentaly flawed because they were undemocratic and put the military in charge.

If the UN General Assembly could tell the Security Council what to do and all was televised on cable that would be a positive move but still not enough for Britain to give up sovereignty.

The EU has only managed this by sneaking sovereignty out the back door.

I dont need to be governed or policed.

No Thank You.

[

quote]

Oh yes you do,

Oh no I dont

[Stephen]

Oh yes you do,

Or there is no law which means no justice & mob rule.
If you find someone breaking into your car you'll call the cops I bet.

On the wider world the League of Nations and the UN were both fundamentaly flawed because they were undemocratic and put the military in charge.

If the UN General Assembly could tell the Security Council what to do and all was televised on cable that would be a positive move but still not enough for Britain to give up sovereignty.

The EU has only managed this by sneaking sovereignty out the back door.

I dont need to be governed or policed.

No Thank You.

[

quote]

Oh yes you do,

Oh no I dont

Thanks to the Police Im now on a Terrorist Data Base list! Just for giving out 9/11 leaflets. In a Free World this would never happen.

[John White]

Thanks to the Police Im now on a Terrorist Data Base list! Just for giving out 9/11 leaflets. In a Free World this would never happen.

And look what that has done to you:

Now you turn on your own and do their work for them becuase your fear has clouded your judgement

Classic mistake

[Stephen]

What Stephen is saying, basically, is "Your either with me (think the same as me): or your my enemy"

Thats Sith speak, that is

Your projecting your own fears onto me.

[Stephen]

Thanks to the Police Im now on a Terrorist Data Base list! Just for giving out 9/11 leaflets. In a Free World this would never happen.

And look what that has done to you:

Now you turn on your own and do their work for them becuase your fear has clouded your judgement

Classic mistake

The police thing did me for SIX! but it hasnt clouded my judgement, I'm just standing my ground and pointing out a few things to people, ok I might be a bit more rebelious but I'm pretty much the same person.

Agent White:
Woudnt you be scared if you were on the Al-Qaeda list?

See it wasnt the 9/11 stuff that gave it away for me it was the GG Sh*t

[John White]

(paranoid slur) White:
Woudnt you be scared if you were on the Al-Qaeda list?

No mate

I would not

You go into fear, they gotcha by the balls, hence the mess your now in

You are not your body: so what are you afraid of?

Exactly

[Stephen]

(paranoid slur) White:
Woudnt you be scared if you were on the Al-Qaeda list?

No mate

I would not

You go into fear, they gotcha by the balls, hence the mess your now in

You are not your body: so what are you afraid of?

Exactly

Yes in theory, if you can hold that posative high space then great! No Fear!
( Perfect world) But unlike you, I do seem to suffer from negatve emotions from time to time.

I'll keep calling you Agent White untill you ban me.

[John White]

(paranoid slur) White:
Woudnt you be scared if you were on the Al-Qaeda list?

No mate

I would not

You go into fear, they gotcha by the balls, hence the mess your now in

You are not your body: so what are you afraid of?

Exactly

Yes in theory, if you can hold that positive high space then great! No Fear!
( Perfect world) But unlike you, I do seem to suffer from negatve emotions from time to time.

I'll keep calling you Agent White untill you ban me.

right then

Yer banned

...

...

...

and now I've unbanned you, so you can pack it in now

How did that feel?

And stephen:

if you can hold that positive high space then great! No Fear!
( Perfect world) But unlike you, I do seem to suffer from negatve emotions from time to time.

Thats where you should focus your efforts then mate

[Stephen]

You all know the liks between Secret Societies like Freemasons, Skull & Bones, Bilderberg and CFR and Politicians, Police layers etc So I dont now why you people think that GG could be a good thing when you know The NEW WORLD ORDER have infilltrated every aspect of our First World.

I dont want a Global Government and I dont care who runs it I'd rather die, even if they do have best of intrests for everyone, the system can still be infilltrated again, remember power corrupts people, same as I dislike National/local Government, but theres more at stake with a GG it's centrolised power (Top of the Pyramid) and could/will be takin over by negative forces.

Defanation of Government: Control. The System or mettod of Governring state as a agent, securities issued by the Govrnment.


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When someone starts talkin about having a Global Government then this can only mean one thing.

Global Government! AKA New Wolrd Order

This is not individualism its the group mentality this means no freedom!
Face it people, this Movement is being used by the NWO. Wake Up!
We MUST say NO! to THE NWO AGENDA Who/where ever it comes from.
_________________

[Stephen]

and now I've unbanned you, so you can pack it in now

No, theres more at stake here. something called FREEDOM! If you speak up against this Global Government, then I'll stop calling you an agent if you dont back down then you better get used to being called Agent White because I WILL NOT BACK DOWN ON THE GLOBAL GOVERNMENT SH*T

So ban me then

[John White]

and now I've unbanned you, so you can pack it in now

No, theres more at stake here. something called FREEDOM! If you speak up against this Global Government, then I'll stop calling you an agent if you dont back down then you better get used to being called Agent White because I WILL NOT BACK DOWN ON THE GLOBAL GOVERNMENT SH*T

So ban me then

Well we are back round in circles then stephen becuase I will not condemn someone simply becuase they want a global government even though I dis-agree with them

Same as I don't write you off just cos you are caught up in all this NPT malarky

[Stephen]

I've told you theres no middle ground on this GG stuff we should never
compromise on this it to dangerous

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When someone starts talkin about having a Global Government then this can only mean one thing.

Global Government! AKA New Wolrd Order

This is not individualism its the group mentality this means no freedom!
Face it people, this Movement is being used by the NWO. Wake Up!
We MUST say NO! to THE NWO AGENDA Who/where ever it comes from.

[rodin]

Oh yes you do,
Or there is no law which means no justice & mob rule.
If you find someone breaking into your car you'll call the cops I bet.

On the wider world the League of Nations and the UN were both fundamentaly flawed because they were undemocratic and put the military in charge.

If the UN General Assembly could tell the Security Council what to do and all was televised on cable that would be a positive move but still not enough for Britain to give up sovereignty.

The EU has only managed this by sneaking sovereignty out the back door.

I dont need to be governed or policed.

No Thank You.

The LON & UN are collectivist entities as required by Albert Pike & The Protocols. Beaurocratic and manipulated to the nth degree. Same World Bank. Zionists behind it all.

We need to look after the planet - true - and this cannot be undertaken unilaterally by one nation. Ans a rogue nation cannot be allowed to pullute, for example, 'everyone's' oceans. Anyone disagree with this?

So we need rules, agreed among consitunecy not elected representatives, for fair play, that will be policed. There is no escape from this due to the masssive technological leverage available. One insane small nuclear armed country could have a go at extinguishing humanity. Who could that be? Is it called the Samson option?

The trick is to keep individuals and special interest groups away from the possibility of amassing dominant power. That's when bad things happen.

[ian neal]

Fact: we already live with a form of global government (UN, WTO, ICC, regional unions EU, NAFTA, the public and secretative networks of global gangsters (Bilderberg, Skull and Bones, World Economic Forum, etc, etc))

As I understand it what DRG is calling for is a different form of global governance in which people, planet and spiritual values come first and the global gangsters are exposed and swept away. Now his ideas may be seen as ill conceived or unrealistic, but nothing I've heard him say makes him one of the bad guys.

Given what DRG has to say on 9/11 and the Bush cabal, it is unfair to lump him together with the NWO gangsters such as Bush and Brown. Robot radicals like Monbiot (with their globalist talk whilst attacking 'conspiracy theorists' and the 9/11 truth movement) are far more suspect in my book.

[catfish]

I agree Ian. We do need to unite the world and erase the differences between groups. This does not mean the death of the individual where everyone is the same.

It means the acceptance of the individual in a world where everyone is united.

I'm still hoping to see the day when starship Earth is emotionally evolved enough to see the similarities between all of us bi-peds!

Peace

David

[rodin]

Fact: we already live with a form of global government (UN, WTO, ICC, regional unions EU, NAFTA, the public and secretative networks of global gangsters (Bilderberg, Skull and Bones, World Economic Forum, etc, etc))

As I understand it what DRG is calling for is a different form of global governance in which people, planet and spiritual values come first and the global gangsters are exposed and swept away. Now his ideas may be seen as ill conceived or unrealistic, but nothing I've heard him say makes him one of the bad guys.

Given what DRG has to say on 9/11 and the Bush cabal, it is unfair to lump him together with the NWO gangsters such as Bush and Brown. Robot radicals like Monbiot (with their globalist talk whilst attacking 'conspiracy theorists' and the 9/11 truth movement) are far more suspect in my book.

We are all on the same page here

[Newspeak International]

(Missed this before)

Who proposed a "One World Government whether we want it or not" originally?

If there were to be a one world government who would choose it's members,and by what method?

Would we be allowed to keep our own properties and possesions,or would that be classed as unfair to those with nowt?

Would a OWG still require the world population to be DNA profiled,databased and microchipped?

Hmm...

[William James]

John White wrote

Its a massive fallacy to assume that in order to be pro 9/11 Truth one has to be anti global government:

John, I'm very surprised that you are not standing against this Global Government sh*t you of all people should know what this really means
(Fascists rulling are world with a rod of iron) Your an Icke fan as I am, David has been talking about the tatics that have/are/and will use to bring in the Global Government (New World Order) OK you dont like NP & DEW, but your for GG! This is really bad news is anyone going to speak up against it on this forum?

And as you know 9/11
Problem - Reaction - Solution Event.

But this One World Government is far worse than any 9/11 and they will sell it in a really positive way, but really it's a SINISTER AGENDA And the Beast in action.

I want to see David Icke and Alex Jones Speak up against this ASAP.

Well stephen, the way I see it is in the real world peoples opinions do not divide neatly into two "for" and "against" camps

There have been many great human beings who have lived valuable lives who have held to the notion of global government.

Just becuase I don't agree with them doesn't mean I should treat them like heretics: and there are many automatic assumptions made about the what and the why of truthseeking that simply arnt borne out by the range of peoples motivations

for instance:

Do you like the monarchy? Do you want to maintain the windsors in power in the UK?

Well if not, your already down the route of republicanism, and that was the key aim of the illuminati when they engineered the French Revolution

Are you then an illuminati puppett for wanting to get rid of the queen?

9/11 Truth may (and does) contain many people opposed to globalism, but it is not an anti-globalism movement, even if people think it should be

I would be very troubled by this guy John White. I would have to worry about anyone touting for the Global Order. Borders are what define us as a people. Good relations yes. No boarders = New World Order. John. Who do you serve?

[William James]

Thanks to the Police Im now on a Terrorist Data Base list! Just for giving out 9/11 leaflets. In a Free World this would never happen.

And look what that has done to you:

Now you turn on your own and do their work for them becuase your fear has clouded your judgement

Classic mistake

You are a nasty character Mr White.

[zennon]

Well, there are two main reasons war happens (in university circles anyway, I'm not taking into account the apparent role of the banking institutions instigating them for self-serving purposes):

1. Some people are just * e.g. Genghis Khan doing what he did for power and glory
2. No world police means countries can do what they want without any real consequences e.g. US going into Iraq while giving the UN the middle finger

There are two ways to fix this problem:
1. Better checks and balances which stops men from getting the power to go to war
2. Formal world police/government

Griffin and Monbiot seem to fit into the second camp being pessimistic about every government on the planet putting better C&B on those in power.

[Keith Mothersson]

William James wrote:

I would have to worry about anyone touting for the Global Order. Borders are what define us as a people. Good relations yes. No boarders = New World Order

Well William, I don't always agree with positions John W has adopted, e.g. the way he and this site has hitherto handled the Judy Woods Directed Energy Weapons hypothesis, and No planes 'theory',.... but I think you have been VERY unfair to John White here, on the basis of very little research or evidence, just allowing yourself to be steered by bogey/hate words, attaboy go bite such and such a person next? Please apologise/withdraw your insinuation and answer John White and co's actual arguments, that is the only way that our 9/11 truth movement is going to advance, by modelling a new culture of public reason and evidence, not one based on dualistic lining up behind the good guys against anyone momentarily tarred as being the 'bad guys' (like the supermacho super-revolutionary 'anarchist' sailors from Kronstadt used by the Bolsheviks to destroy the duma, the Bourgeois Duma, go attaboys, bourgeois Duma ....! )

Now on the question of borders, this is how I see it (and if you don't see it this way, so be it we don't need to abuse each other, OKay?):

We begin by defining ourselves as people within the 'mothersphere', 'inter-being' with each other and not so much need for separate identities nor defensive borders. Mother community borders are kind of dotted-line vborders, whose properties are that every mum's kids are welcome in every other mum's homes in our community.

Then we hopefully develop group identities which NEVER get stuck in Us against them FRAT logic but always put our true loyalty to our 'Matrisphere' first, so our local 'motherlands' are never contrary to our Mother Earth loyalties, but all are children of the Goddess, loyal sons and daughters with no reason to draw big black lines to exclude each other or 'other' each other, after all diversity is inherent, just as is personal uniquenesses, so no need to define either aspect as reasons to exclude or fear or hate or to equate diversity with diffference with Rank and Judgementalism (better-worse than; good Evil); let alone any reason to 'enemize' other earthlings including animlas and plants, with whom we share a hell of a lot of dna .....

So long as you have a universal passport belly button, you should be able to travel freely NO ONE IS ILLEGITIMATE, JUST AS NO ONE IS ILLEGAL and most certainly so long as the fraternites of the billionaries are able to send capital around the globe freely with no checks.

Please look deeper: no borders plus Frat rule = NWO tyranny.
No borders as part of circles of circles of motherlands from hearth to Mother Earth - dotted lines not thick black ones - = cooperation and freedom for every mothers' child.

I think Griffin is wrong to somewhat side (so far) with the Steven Jones side of the Scholars split, but David has done really tremendous things for the 9/11 truth movement and if you take the trouble to read his work or listen to his arguments, it is obvious that the sort of 'one world' he proposes is intended as the exact antidote to NWO frat rule tyrannny.

[TonyGosling]

I wish you would flesh out some of these claims in a convincing way Andrew. People here are generally all ears if the argument's a well-evidenced one.

Once it gets out that almost infinite almost free energy was used to destroy the WTC on 9/11 and people understand this reality, everything will change.

[John White]

Hmmm.

William James:

Users posting from this IP address
David WJ Sherlock [ 120 Posts ]

William James [ 13 Posts ]

Would that be David William James Sherlock? the same David Sherlock banned for leaving abuse on TG's answerphone?

F*ck it: who needs a NWO when we act like this?

[arthur two sheds jackson]

DRG is clearly part of the controlled opposition in the truth movement.

[chek]

DRG is clearly part of the controlled opposition in the truth movement.

"Clearly", eh?

That would explain why even one single paragraph of any of his widely read books has done more to expose the criminals behind 911 than years of "activism" by your ineffectual no plane/media fakery cod "campaign" then.

[ian neal]

I strongly recommend this initiative.

http://www.transformationteam.net/

Users might want to note that wanttoknow includes information on new energy technologies and includes DRG in its team of advisors, which some what undermines the theory that DRG is part of a controlled opposition desparately trying to keep the lid on hidden energy technologies (linked to DEW theories/Judy Woods/Hutchison research)

http://www.wanttoknow.info/aboutus

No doubt part of a cunning double play on the part of DRG to link up with Steven Greer et al. Damn these closet globalists are so sneeky

Solution: stop being so damned paranoid and feel the love, maaaaaan

This message is available online at

http://www.WantToKnow.info/080131global ... nteamfable

A Fable of Planetary Transformation
Crafted by the Transformation Team

Once upon a time in a far away corner of the universe in the outer reaches of a medium-sized spiral galaxy, there was a beautiful blue-green planet whose inquisitive inhabitants named their world Earth. Many different peoples inhabited this planet teeming with abundant lifeforms. They had come to learn the many difficult, yet rewarding lessons of exploring in physical bodies what it is like to feel separate and disconnected from their own divine essence and from all around them.

The collective consciousness of all people on Earth greatly affected everything that happened on this revolving planet. Yet because of their explorations into separateness, the vast majority of these people – or humans as they called themselves – were unaware of how their collective will formed their world. In order to learn the deep wisdom of this Earth school or Univers-city, these humans had chosen to forget how in their deepest essence they were all interconnected and how every individual played an essential role in what happened on their planet and to their people as a whole.

Over the ages and through thousands upon thousands of revolutions of this jewel of a planet around its shining golden sun, the people of Earth explored, developed, and expanded their awareness through many rich, beautiful, and sometimes even painful experiences. Through the rich drama and challenging lessons of many ages and lifetimes, they several times grew close to the point of feeling again their deep interconnectedness with all beings. Yet each time they came close, that awareness then contracted and was eventually shut down by their collective fear of losing individuality and uniqueness.

After several cycles of this expansion and contraction, at one point in a new expansion phase, the collective mind grew so intelligent as to permit humankind for the first time to soar beyond the gravitational confines of Earth in shiny, metallic spaceships. The collective knowledge of the physical world in which they lived grew so deep that certain individuals began to see visions of a major transformation leading to physical paradise on Earth. At the same time, many others greatly feared that these new mental abilities and sophisticated technologies would be used by the militaries and greedy elite to destroy the very life and world in which they lived.

As their collective hopes and fears grew like never before, many humans dedicated to global transformation joined together in a deep prayer about their lives and world. So for the first time in the planet's history, a powerful collective call was sent out to the universe requesting help and guidance for the struggling planet and its people to move beyond separation, selfishness, and greed towards loving, empowering transformation and integration. For the first time, humanity as a whole opened to connection and help from the great universe beyond the physical confines of their world.

Their prayer was heard.



In the vast and varied collection of civilizations and species spread throughout the infinite universe, the call for help from this small, beautiful planet was heard. Unbeknownst to the people of Earth, there existed in the universe a special team made up of millions of caring souls from various planets, galaxies, and even dimensions. This loving team had dedicated themselves specifically to serve and support the inhabitants of developing planets who requested help in times of crisis and transition.

The vibrant souls of this intergalactic transformation team were committed to work together with the local transformation team of any planet that called for help in creating more nurturing, life-enhancing ways of living and growing. This loving team was activated by the collective call from Earth.

Feeling the call for help almost like a fireman on Earth responding to an alarm, the excited souls of the transformation team came together to focus their attention on this beautiful world in crisis. They opened their hearts and souls to the people there. They learned of the ways of humankind and became familiar with the challenges the people of Earth found themselves facing. While some agreed to observe and provide guidance from a distance, millions of these souls agreed to be born in human bodies and – like other humans – to forget where they came from, so that they might fully experience being human and more effectively provide help and guidance to humankind.

Being born into human bodies and human families without memory of their origin, almost all of these transformation team members felt the many pains and joys of growing up while often feeling separate and isolated from those around them. Some even chose to go through serious traumas with their human families in order to develop deeper compassion. Others simply felt alone and bewildered, unable to comprehend why those around them couldn't see that love interconnects us all. At times, all of them felt they didn't belong and sensed an inner calling to some greater purpose.

As these dedicated transformation team members grew spiritually and the crisis facing the planet intensified, magical things began to happen. Key writings, dreams, mystical experiences, and even inspiring fables began to awaken members of the transformation team to their deeper purpose.

For some the awakening was gradual, while for others a powerful, unexpected single event lifted the veil. Collectively, members of the transformation team began to remember why they came to Earth. They found themselves spontaneously connecting with other wise humans who were part of the transformation team and who further helped to awaken and inspire them. Their fears and feeling of separation gradually faded as they became increasingly excited to remember their deeper purpose, and to find themselves now playing an integral role in this empowering planetary transition.

Eventually, all members of the transformation team awoke. Upon awakening, a new, bright sparkle danced from their eyes. It was a sparkle of knowingness. Knowing that all of us are already interconnected in a divine cosmic dance. Knowing that the joy of love is always there inside when any soul truly opens to it. Knowing that the team's purpose is not to save anyone, but rather to simply be a loving invitation and inspiration to all around them. Knowing that uniqueness and individuality are welcome even in the interconnectedness of all beings. Knowing that when the people of a planet send out a collective call for help, the transformation team always answers. Knowing that the team never fails to give powerful, inspiring guidance to help make it through even the most daunting crisis.

Once upon a time, the transformation team came to Earth to remind humankind – and even to remind themselves – that we are not alone, that we are all equally important actors intimately interconnected in the divine unfolding of the universe. The team came to remind us that fear is but an invitation to growth, and that in the end, there is no end. There is only this sacred moment in which to open to all the richness that we are ready to receive. There is only the eternal here and now.

And so to bring this transformation fable to a close (or is it an opening?), the transformation team found and continues to find ever more joyful, meaningful ways to love, explore, play, and grow together with all people of Earth, as they live happily ever after in the ever present here and now.