Alex Jones Berlin wall

landless peasant · Post by **landless peasant** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:42 pm

Chris Walsh wrote:
landless peasant wrote:Still, I have always wondered why Bill Cooper got iced and Alex is free to rant on on his show every day. Cuz hes an agent hate to say it tho...
How do you come to such a conclusion? If Alex Jones is a disinfo agent, and he's really working against the Truth Movment, how do you reconcile this with his (mainly) flawless stance on freedom in general. He has exposed how the Rothschilds instigated world wars, how Hitler was used by them, how Communism was created by Marx at their behest, how secret societies control political matters, how 9/11 was an inside job, how gun control is tyrannical, how fluoride in the water is poisonous, how prevalelt vote fraud has become. I could go on all day...

I have a very hard time getting my head around the idea that through exposing so many lies and literally promoting freedom every day through a radio show how a man can be called an 'agent'. Surely he's just trying to open people's minds and wake people up to the dangerous times we live in .

If you provide me with proof - other than still being alive - that AJ is 'working for them', then I'll take a look at it. But I have to say I think some people like to drag his name through the mud because he has become successful and his personality can be abrasive.

Please educate me if you think I'm wrong.

I hope your right and I'm wrong, I do have a problem with direct censorship however and blatant scaremongering. Agent was unfair I take that back more likely he is getting info fed to him by agents. I still like AJ and fact is much of his info is top draw. Much is garnished and with a large scare factor. I don't wanna throw mud at AJ but there is something that just doesn't sit right with me beyond the censorship and scaremongering and hard sell and mis-info.

All I'm saying is use your discernment hear what others have to say about him. You said "promoting freedom every day through a radio show" the same show where he directly censors show archives and much of the time hangs up on any caller he doesn't agree with and so dam rude to these people. I think 9/11 truth movement needs to set a higher standard than that.

Chris Walsh · Post by **Chris Walsh** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:48 pm

Yeah, good point.

I do think overall he's a good man with good intentions. There's no way he's acting out his rants when he goes off on one for ten minutes about how he 'burns with desire' to wake people up. He attacks Cointelpro and the major disinfo agents as well, so I find it hard to believe he's one himself.

I agree he censors people and you often get that feeling when somebody rings in with a disagreeing comment that he will not give them time to argue their case. This I do not like. Perhaps there are people that could do a better job. However, when you've been doing what he has been doing for so long and you think you've got your finger on the pulse of the New World Order's schenanigans, a certain amount of arrogance and self righteousness is to be expected. His rudeness is something that I have no problem overlooking most of the time. If I called in and he was rude to me I wouldn't take it to heart because it's 'the best of times and the worst of times' doing a show like that. When you hear him talk about how he'd much rather be fishing on a lake or chopping wood by a wooden shack, or some other idyllic thing, you have to sympathise with a man that wishes he could just switch off but feels compelled to give up the easier life for a hardworking one - one that will surely affect more positive change.

I still have my reservations and he's by no means the ideal 'leader' of our movement, but we could do a lot worse, I'm sure. If you don't like his personality and his passion, just don't listen. It's as simple as that.

In the meantime, if anyone can prove to me he's a reptoid, a Jesuit coadjutor or a government Agent, get in touch.

festival of snickers · Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:58 pm

maybe hes a paranoid schizophrenic

he claims the government is doing all these things but i doubt it-they probably tortured just a few guys not that that right but he really does exaggerate i think--those guys went to jail anyway i think

he claims this and he claims that but seldom gives a link to verify it

all this talk the royal family wanted eugenics -wheres that link?

he always says the queen just meets in a staged area for show with a few africans

well is she supposed to meet in the middle of no where with ten soldiers?

hes really full of shii--you have to be pretty bored to listen to him

im on welfare but i myself am doing better than i was 8 years ago not that im for the war or how it was fought really

the democrats bombing the serbs were the worst and clinton supported the muslim kla

serb americans were told to vote for bush and they will vote for mccain or mitt in november i think

gruts · Post by **gruts** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:40 pm

"I can feel the freedom" - great alex jones rant....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=f-V7XjaQPJw

SHERITON HOTEL · Post by **SHERITON HOTEL** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:07 pm

I think he peaked when he predicted 9/11 myself, is he related to that Jonestown Guiana bloke?

gruts · Post by **gruts** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:44 pm

I can't imagine him calling for a mass suicide anytime soon....

LFJ · Post by **LFJ** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:00 pm

I was a big Jones fan for years... till about 2 years ago until something just clicked...
Jones IMHO is main function is to lead and discredit 9 11 truth and make sure it goes up a cul de sac.. Wish I was wrong.

Not that relevant but can anyone tell me what age "Alex the Ballex" is?

festival of snickers · Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:41 pm

wikiedpia or his my space acc say 33 i think

http://www.myspace.com/alex_infowarrior

he used to be thin or musclebound and now hes all fat maybe the fat went to his head too

too bad

LFJ · Post by **LFJ** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:52 pm

And is it really just Alex Jones ?

The intelligence services and MSM have been merging at an alarming rate
and how could one be sure anyone is not a pied piper dis-info operative...
or left wing gatekeeper?

Can anyone name an "alternative internet Journalist" they are 100% sure they are what they say they are!

LFJ · Post by **LFJ** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:16 pm

I introduced a friend some years ago to AJ but no matter what I say to him
now he won't listen to me.. He still subsribe's to Jone's podcast's and thinks the Sun shine's outta AJ's Ass.....

uselesseater · Post by **uselesseater** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:25 pm

I don't know why so many people say that they used to like AJ but have gone off him. My personal inclination would be that after a while he makes people feel inadequate and lazy due to the effort he puts into his work. Also reality is scary and AJ's portral of it can get to you after a while.

As for people who are 'Cointelpro', they are easy to spot as they are constantly attacking other people in the movement which Jones never does.

Another fallacy people often commit is to expect someone in the movement to be perfect. i.e. if they disagree with something someone says they automatically think they are a shill. Which is just ridiculous.

LFJ · Post by **LFJ** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:35 pm

Why did AJ say there was a 1000 man exercise on 7/7(It was on paper only) and then never redress it? The MSM jumped on it with glee thus destroying the credibility any serious criticism to the official story!

But my feeling is... "We only see who they want us to see"
If you are searching on 9 11 you always seem to get Jone's in the face...

uselesseater · Post by **uselesseater** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:54 pm

Yes Jones makes mistakes and should probably correct some of them.

Only problem with the 'only see who they want us to see' docterine is that it means that everyone who is in the public eye is a shill.

I don't agree that they have the ammount of control as some of us think, they do their best with their army of bloggers, Wiki editors and those who get videos pulled off YouTube.

My feeling is that they would like us to think that they have enough control so that 'we only see who they want us to see' as that induces a feeling of unempowerment which neutralises us.

LFJ · Post by **LFJ** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:24 pm

uselesseater wrote: Only problem with the 'only see who they want us to see' docterine is that it means that everyone who is in the public eye is a shill.

Well sounds about right to me .. erm(an Im not tryin a b smart)can u gimme the name of someone in the Alt media you are pretty sure is not a plant.

heres a really sad slideshow bout Jones but its message is clear.....

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=ye5NtbWy-vw

uselesseater · Post by **uselesseater** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:45 pm

Theres loads of people in the alt media who I am in no doubt about.

Alex Jones, Alan Watt, Mike Rivero, Webster Tarpley.

The NWO are great planners but they do have their limitations. It suits them to have us think that they are all powerful, god like and we don't have a chance against them.

Personalities aside it's really about the information which we should all check into for ourselves.

There are some very paranoid people in this movement who will accuse anyone of being a shill the minute they put a foot wrong, or even when they say something they disagree with. We need to remember that real people in the alt media are not like the airbrushed ones in the mainstream and do male mistakes, misquote things and have their little idiosyncrasies.

LFJ · Post by **LFJ** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:02 pm

uselesseater wrote: There are some very paranoid people in this movement who will accuse anyone of being a shill the minute they put a foot wrong, or even when they say something they disagree with. We need to remember that real people in the alt media are not like the airbrushed ones in the mainstream and do male mistakes, misquote things and have their little idiosyncrasies.

Fair comment.... but ...
1/ A Jones is imo disinfo how can all those cutting edge internet sites global brand/business be controlled/fronted by a fruit cake? no way Jose!
2/ Mike Rivero must avoid by association with GCN
3/Webster Tarpley must avoid by Association with Lyndon Larouche

Alan Watt?? I'm not sure... I would genuinely love this guy to be legit... just haven't seen that much of his stuff.. certainly no Alien Reptile's which is a good sign

uselesseater · Post by **uselesseater** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:58 am

I don't think your points 1, 2 and 3 support your conclusions very well. Not to any degree of certainty.

gruts · Post by **gruts** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:56 am

uselesseater wrote:Another fallacy people often commit is to expect someone in the movement to be perfect. i.e. if they disagree with something someone says they automatically think they are a shill. Which is just ridiculous.

too true....

uselesseater wrote:As for people who are 'Cointelpro', they are easy to spot as they are constantly attacking other people in the movement which Jones never does.

indeed - I think that people who spend their time producing this kind of nonsense....

LFJ wrote:heres a really sad slideshow bout Jones but its message is clear.....

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=ye5NtbWy-vw

....are far more likely to be shills than the targets of their infantile ad hominems and false claims.

landless peasant · Post by **landless peasant** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:11 am

Ask yourself who has alerted more people to 9/11 and all the rest of it than AJ. I got some problems with him, but I'm putting that to one side. Still its right to ask questions about high profile figures in the movement. AJ would agree with that. Its so easy to get the shill label, as uselesseater has said “There are some very paranoid people in this movement”. dam right!

Chris Walsh · Post by **Chris Walsh** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:42 am

Again, you're all assuming things and not providing any evidence to show that AJ/Rivero/Tarpley etc are front men. I am always wary of who to trust, but aside from Alex Jones' larger than life personality and his lack of talking about certain issues - he will blame the US gov before Israel often - there's no way he's not on our side!

Fair enough, he needs to redact some statements he's made about stats in his films and he gets dates and names of bills wrong from time to time, but his message is inspiring. Some of you say he's a fearmonger. Do you not think doing what he does he needs to be MORE passionate?! We all know how bad things are. The control grid is well in place, this country and America are totally at the behest of a small elite, the mainstream media are fearmongering all the time about non-issues like climate change and shilling for centralised government expansion and more EU control. I'm sick of it! If people that believe in freedom don't scream bloody murder we're never going to get anything done! I know some personalities are off putting, especially when you first discover some of the hardcore issues like false flag terror and Bilderberg, but if you just BASE YOU OWN OPINIONS on the facts then you'll find the truth, and no matter how much the messenger offends you, the truth has to be the authority.

Just go on the BBC news site right now and look at the story on water fluoridation. This is something I have been campaigning against recently. There's little or NO negative insight into the forced medication - poisoning! - via the water supply. Thousands of scientists including Nobel Prize winners have come out and said that it's poison and it's detrimental to health and we don't know enough about its long term effects to simply dump more into the water. Think about it! The BBC again going along with government crimes and not offering ANY debate whatsoever on the issue!

Now when Alex Jones does an hour on water fluoridation and gets experts on to demonstrate the dangers of it, and you find out ONCE AGAIN you've been lied to after taking it for granted it was safe.....now tell me he's a fearmonger and is too passionate or offensive. THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A REAL DEBATE ABOUT ANYTHING! He's only offensive because we have been conditioned to snicker at people who don't go along with all the crimes and take the easy route through life.

I just think we need to base our opinions on the FACTS and stop this in-fighting cos it'll get us nowhere. AJ ain't for everyone, but he hits the nail on the head again and again. Go watch Sky News if you can't handle it.

uselesseater · Post by **uselesseater** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:49 am

Chris. If you have a minute can you post a few links on the thread belowm, to some studies/Scientists who have shown the effects of Fluoride please?

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=13455

Chris Walsh · Post by **Chris Walsh** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:11 pm

Hey. I don't really wanna hijack this thread too much and turn it into a debate on fluoride, but go here if you want to take part in the discussion on that:

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=13406

Here are a few of the sites I've looked at that have provide some damning evidence on fluoride:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flouride.htm

http://www.fluoridealert.org/

http://www.fluoridedangers.blogspot.com/

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=sec ... n-fluoride

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/ ... 72,00.html

LFJ · Post by **LFJ** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:46 pm

OK My main Angle on Jones is this....

All the info Jone's come's out with is either already out there or is gonna come out. - We all know how new labour have repeatedly leaked storys themselves and controlled/Spun the story and limited its effect......
When the PTB know a story is coming out on a sensitive issue which could be
explosive they leak it out through a fruit cake like Jone's thereby de-sensitizing the information and limiting further damage.. as most people will dismiss the message because Jones is giving it...

Cuckoo!! Cuckoo!!

Dallas · Post by **Dallas** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:24 pm

Chris Walsh wrote:I have to admit, I'm quite an Alex Jones fan.

I understand why others don't like him, though. His patriotism does often spill over into ridiculous ranting and his stance on immigration can sometimes seem a little racist. However, I would suggest that he really does care about freedom and although his analyses aren't perfect - nobody can evaluate the NWO perfectly - he's one of the best radio guns to listen to because of the sheer amount of information he can get through in three hours.

I know many have called him out on his lack of criticism of Israel and in particular the machinations of political Zionism, but I don't believe for a minute that he's been co-opted by the Elite when he's exposing corruption and the New World Order so powerfully. I mean, he never pulls punches when going after Bushco, Bliar, Brown, the Clintons, the CIA etc. A man that goes to Bilderberg meetings and risks arrest and heckles attendees isn't in it for the money or to lie to us. I bleeding well hope not, anyway! If he was pure disinformation then what the hell does the world have in store for us instead?!

Still, I have always wondered why Bill Cooper got iced and Alex is free to rant on on his show every day. For me, there has to be a group of very powerful people either backing Alex Jones (which would be a good thing) or, like he often says, if they assassinated him it would just give credence to his work.

If you're offended by AJ, you don't have to listen. But I would suggest you give him another chance if you've been put off him in the past. Recently he's had Paul Craig Roberts on the show a lot and he's certainly helped me understand the reality of the economic meltdown to a better degree. And he can be really funny at times, too.

Frankly, while I certainly cannot place it outside of the realm of possiblity that AEJ is working for or with the "NWO", I am not about to disregard all of the valuable information he distributes because he says some things that some may find offensive. If I spent the amount of time that Alex Jones has with my stream of consciousness broadcast to tens of thousands of people, I assure you that I'd have some unpopular opinions as well. If he wasn't offending people, I'd be more worried that his whole persona was fake.

Dallas · Post by **Dallas** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:28 pm

festival of snickers wrote:why would anyone like "the left" as in marx?

a nice black guy is guy in tv show sanford and son who became a preacher or little richard

alex is mainly a loudmouth and would probably say he didnt mean he would agree to kill illegals but just build a fence i suppose he may say that

the big daddy on show is some car racing icon so he couldnt bring himself to rebuke him which is stupid

the stuff he says about royal family is all mostly bs i think
prove it!

Oh it was Don Garlits? The man is a redneck icon. I can imagine how Alex might hesistate to tell him off on air, though it makes me sad that a man that is not scared of David Rockefeller et al is worried about what a bunch of small-minded car racing fans might think.

Dallas · Post by **Dallas** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:10 pm

uselesseater wrote:I don't know why so many people say that they used to like AJ but have gone off him. My personal inclination would be that after a while he makes people feel inadequate and lazy due to the effort he puts into his work. Also reality is scary and AJ's portral of it can get to you after a while.

As for people who are 'Cointelpro', they are easy to spot as they are constantly attacking other people in the movement which Jones never does.

Another fallacy people often commit is to expect someone in the movement to be perfect. i.e. if they disagree with something someone says they automatically think they are a shill. Which is just ridiculous.

To be honest, not being Christian, there are quite a few things AJ says that I don't agree with. But *even if he is* working with the "NWO" or whomever, I don't see anyone else getting the kind of attention to some very real issues that he does. So what if he makes money on it or is good at marketing... Do we really all expect anyone to put in the kind of effort or get the kind of resoluts that he does without getting any income or employing any marketing tactics and strategies? Foolishness, I say.

Dallas · Post by **Dallas** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:14 pm

LFJ wrote:
But my feeling is... "We only see who they want us to see"
If you are searching on 9 11 you always seem to get Jone's in the face...

I would also not be surpised if he is spending more time on marketing, SEO, etc. than everyone else in the movement. But you can sit here and talk trash, or you can go out, make vids/books/podcasts, and promote yours better than he promotes his. I don't think I need to say which method would be more effective at getting alternative views out there.

Dallas · Post by **Dallas** » Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:15 pm

LFJ wrote:
uselesseater wrote: Only problem with the 'only see who they want us to see' docterine is that it means that everyone who is in the public eye is a shill.
Well sounds about right to me .. erm(an Im not tryin a b smart)can u gimme the name of someone in the Alt media you are pretty sure is not a plant.

heres a really sad slideshow bout Jones but its message is clear.....

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=ye5NtbWy-vw

I can never say 100%, but having actually spent a fair amount of time with the guy, I'd say Luke Rudkowski is *not* a plant.