Simon from We Are Change UK is member of MI6 family

[Stefan]

Allowing a 7/7 victim freedom of speech is not being a cheerleader

Why does anyone who claims to be a 7/7 victim no longer have any responsibility for their actions?

You banned Gareth for making factual statements about Kevin Barratt because he was "defaming other activists" - yet when Daniel ACTUALLY does this it is those activists defending themselves who you have a problem with???

I think there are very few people on this forum right now who are not getting increasingly puzzled with your behaviour Tony.

You seem to be suggesting someone can act in whatever way they want if they claim to be a 7/7 victim, including posting people's surnames, posting libel, telling bare faced deliberate lies...

Here we go let's try this Tony -

I'm a 7/7 victim.

There's no evidence for that whatsoever, but in terms of whats been said by me and Daniel so far - I'm the more credible person to make the claim.

I have never claimed to have met and hug a confirmed 7/7 victim who says they have never met me.

I have no contradictions in my story.

I don't claim to have taken a journey around London that any Londoner would find absurd.

I didn't speak to journalists before claiming to be a 7/7 victim and make no mention of it.

I don't claim it takes more that 10 seconds for the roof of a bus to "float" down to the ground.

I don't claim a verefied 7/7 victim (who he calls "bandage man") is an MOD agent and then get it completely wrong as to where the man was.

I don't claim another verefied 7/7 victim, who he also claims he had a relationship with, is an MOD agent.

I don't claim everyone under the sun is an mod agent.

I didn't give a talk smearing a real activist group and get every single detail verefiably wrong.

I didn't then claim I never said the things I said after the event.

I didn't say I was writing a fiction book, then at a later date claim it was factual.

I don't use a fake name.

OK I admit it - I'm not a 7/7 victim. But even after that statement it is more convincing that I am one that Daniel Adigwe's claim is.

[Stefan]

Simon's MI6 connection,...

Which you are yet to substantiate even with the name of Simon's relative.

Stefan's strange truth buddies.

What "strange truth buddies"? Do you mean the buddies who spend all their free time giving leaflets and dvds to members of the public, organising talks, confronting corrupt public figures, writing articals, making videos?

I think you pronounce that "activists". Real activists Daniel, not opportunist self-promoting book-selling confirmed liars.

Andy B you started all of this... your lasse faire attitude towards the truth.

Want to substantiate that?

Now you want to do a conspiracy files job on a 7/7 survivor and eye witness... confirming it. Go ahead.

No. He wants some evidence you are who you say you are. He wants some evidence to support the accusations you are making against him and his friends.

He wants you to put up or shut up.

I think at this point we all do...

Stefan control your man, he's losing it.

My man? I thought in your lecture Andy was in charge of me, now I'm in charge of him?

In fact We Are Change is both democratic and a group of free people.

We can all do and say whatever we want, unless it is explicitly under the name of the group, in which case we vote on it. There are no leaders, so if you want Andy to stop "exposing you" (I'm sure you get the irony) - take it up with him...

[peloloco]

Daniel Adigwe/Obachike has nothing on WACuk.

Waste of time.

[IanFantom]

Let's get down to hard evidence, and forget about personalities:

Last time when he was being asked for evidence he assured everyone "hard physical evidence" would be presented at his talk in London.

Now that talk has happened, and as verefied by Ian Fantom who is not a member of WAC, no evidence was presented.

Instead he had printed off a load of photos of us from our myspace and facebook pages and repeated his accusations while holding them up.

I have a copy of his printouts, which Daniel distributed after the meeting. I am not aware of any additional evidence of London WAC being compromised being presented at the meeting.

I don't know if one of Simon's relatives works for MI6, I'll ask him when I next see him but I don't see how this means anything.

Remember that Ian Henshall's father worked for MI5. At least, that's what he told us in his talk in Newbury.

It's possible that Simon himself is unaware that he has a relative working for MI6, if he has. Surely, that would be the rule rather than the exception.

Daniel, if you cannot make the evidence public, perhaps you can tell us why it has to remain confidential, and what the source of your evidence is.

Do you or any of your family, to your knowledge, have links with the security services or associated organisations?

[TonyGosling]

You, Stefan are the ludicrous one.

For the last 6 months or so you have contributed virtually nothing here except to attack other Truth activists.

You utterly misrepresent my banning of your mate Gareth who was shilling under false usernames and having a go at people for being amateur filmmakers (which he is himself) as well as cutting and pasting material from 'Colonel Jenny Sparks' an anonymous attacker of some of the bravest 9/11 Truth activists in the USA.

You are not a victim of 7/7 and Daniel is.

If he is not you must give him the benefit of the doubt. For the sake of the movement as a whole.

Swallowing your pride appears to be an impossibility.

Your post 'pretending' to be a 7/7 victim is about the most dire argument you have ever presented for attacking Daniel.

Please take this as a final public warning that unless you

1. Leave Daniel alone and stop attacking him and

2. Start to contribute to this forum rather than raging at victims you will be permanently banned.

This is your final warning.

Why does anyone who claims to be a 7/7 victim no longer have any responsibility for their actions?

You banned Gareth for making factual statements about Kevin Barratt because he was "defaming other activists" - yet when Daniel ACTUALLY does this it is those activists defending themselves who you have a problem with???

I think there are very few people on this forum right now who are not getting increasingly puzzled with your behaviour Tony.

You seem to be suggesting someone can act in whatever way they want if they claim to be a 7/7 victim, including posting people's surnames, posting libel, telling bare faced deliberate lies...

Here we go let's try this Tony -

I'm a 7/7 victim.

There's no evidence for that whatsoever, but in terms of whats been said by me and Daniel so far - I'm the more credible person to make the claim.

I have never claimed to have met and hug a confirmed 7/7 victim who says they have never met me.

I have no contradictions in my story.

I don't claim to have taken a journey around London that any Londoner would find absurd.

I didn't speak to journalists before claiming to be a 7/7 victim and make no mention of it.

I don't claim it takes more that 10 seconds for the roof of a bus to "float" down to the ground.

I don't claim a verefied 7/7 victim (who he calls "bandage man") is an MOD agent and then get it completely wrong as to where the man was.

I don't claim another verefied 7/7 victim, who he also claims he had a relationship with, is an MOD agent.

I don't claim everyone under the sun is an mod agent.

I didn't give a talk smearing a real activist group and get every single detail verefiably wrong.

I didn't then claim I never said the things I said after the event.

I didn't say I was writing a fiction book, then at a later date claim it was factual.

I don't use a fake name.

OK I admit it - I'm not a 7/7 victim. But even after that statement it is more convincing that I am one that Daniel Adigwe's claim is.

[eogz]

The impartiality here of Admin is seriously in question. Why Tony for the support of Daniel.

Stefan and his group are being attacked by Daniel, with accusations that are less than circumstantial.

I'm concerned that integrity is not being applied here, and Stefan's defense of himself and his group while not being entirely thoughtful are just that a defence from attack.

Perhpas threatening to ban them both would be a fairer albiet more draconian measure.

I'm rapidly losing confidence in his site's integrity, especially due to the reaction of the MOD(s) here.

Worrying...

[TonyGosling]

I've made it clear I will not accept any attacks on 7/7 victims or their families/relatives. And that those doing so will be banned. Just as I have removed posts which level unsubstantiated allegations against Rachel North.

IMO Daniel hasn't presented any hard evidence and that should speak for itself. I also told This branch of London WAC if they wanted to stop Daniel they should consider legal action not use this forum to attack him.

Nevertheless Stefan S has decided to publicly attack Daniel here with some of the most flaccid arguments I've ever heard. Making matters much worse for the 7/7 Truth movement as a whole.

This is one of the long time rules of this forum and that's why I issued a final warning to Stefan.

Daniel is a 7/7 victim and that's why this is not a dispute between equals.

[Stefan]

[Gareth was banned for supporting critcism of] the bravest 9/11 Truth activists in the USA

Yet Daniel is championed for attacks on AndyB and others, who are the bravest truth activists in the UK?

Your assessment of Kevin Barrett as "brave" is completely subjective. As is your apparent assessment of Andy and others as being "OK to attack".

Your changing of me from a "Validated Poster" (which means people know who I am in real life - WHICH YOU DO) to a "major poster" (three stars - oohhh the burn!) is just typical of your childish and power mad egotism. It says all that needs to be said about you.

You've lost it Gosling.

[TonyGosling]

More misrepresentation and As I said Stefan, you've contributed nothing but insults here for thr last few months - and against a 7/7 victim - time to part company.
This is not a place for non 7/7 victims to unload their baggage. What a pity you couldn't rise above this issue and leave Daniel to go about his day.

[Gareth was banned for supporting critcism of] the bravest 9/11 Truth activists in the USA

Yet Daniel is championed for attacks on AndyB and others, who are the bravest truth activists in the UK?

Your assessment of Kevin Barrett as "brave" is completely subjective. As is your apparent assessment of Andy and others as being "OK to attack".

Your changing of me from a "Validated Poster" (which means people know who I am in real life - WHICH YOU DO) to a "major poster" (three stars - oohhh the burn!) is just typical of your childish and power mad egotism. It says all that needs to be said about you.

You've lost it Gosling.

[peloloco]

More misrepresentation and As I said Stefan, you've contributed nothing but insults here for thr last few months - and against a 7/7 victim - time to part company.
This is not a place for non 7/7 victims to unload their baggage. What a pity you couldn't rise above this issue and leave Daniel to go about his day.

[Gareth was banned for supporting critcism of] the bravest 9/11 Truth activists in the USA

Yet Daniel is championed for attacks on AndyB and others, who are the bravest truth activists in the UK?

Your assessment of Kevin Barrett as "brave" is completely subjective. As is your apparent assessment of Andy and others as being "OK to attack".

Your changing of me from a "Validated Poster" (which means people know who I am in real life - WHICH YOU DO) to a "major poster" (three stars - oohhh the burn!) is just typical of your childish and power mad egotism. It says all that needs to be said about you.

You've lost it Gosling.

Gosling, your reasoning seems to be a bit warped. You have allowed DO to post whatever lies he wants about a group of activists here on this forum and when members of the group have called into question DO and his strange behavior you have not Moderated. You seem to allow this guy to spurt whatever BS he likes which as all sane, fair and balanced people can see is backed up by nothing. His actions are not only damaging to 7/7 truth but drive a wedge between 911 truth activists, and you let that happen here on this forum. Good work fella.

DO is talking BS for reasons unknown, he could be paranoid, he could be out to get attention, he could be something more sinister....I am calling him a Liar, without a doubt.

You have not been fair and balanced and you admitted so previously by claiming that DO's opinion holds more weight than anyone else's because he claims to have been on the bus at Tavistock Sq. This gives him the right to be dragging good activists names through the dirt?



Alan

[TonyGosling]

You're right, I have not been balanced ... because Stefan is not a victim of the 7/7 London Bombings.
But I have been fair ... and given Stefan every chance to back off from his attacks.

[peloloco]

You're right, I have not been balanced ... because Stefan is not a victim of the 7/7 London Bombings.
But I have been fair ... and given Stefan every chance to back off from his attacks.

We are all victims of the 7/7 bombings in one way or another, Stefan, you, me and the rest of humanity.

You gave Daniel O every chance to attack some of the most energetic activists for 911 truth in the uk.

I will leave it at that