West Yorkshire 9.11 group Needs Muslims to voice protest

[Riaz Ahmed]

Dear Friends ,

A new group has been organised in West Yorkshire , Bradford to push 9.11 movement to the frontiers.

As a Muslim -

I urge for Muslims to come forward and join us in this movement to expose the lies that have surrounded this awful event. I know how the Asian community feel. Enough of this Stigma, stereo types and fundmentalism that has been associated with us.


Time to take our heads out of the sand and question 9.11!!!

Look forward in seeing you....

[Newspeak International]

I wish you luck in your quest Riaz, however most of the muslim community must be in fear of speaking out due to the attacks on your
people in recent times?



N

[Riaz Ahmed]

You are spot on with that........

Alot of fear and pressure has been put on them from Media and various outlets.

But the Muslim Community do belive its a Vendetta against "Islam" in particular. Whats upsets me the most is that everything that is potrayed in the media about Islam is totally false!

Hence, they have turned this into a movie - "Good Vs Evil".

Its time for voices to be heard at least from the Muslim community and to rally with organisations that against all this fascism!

[paul wright]

Right on Riaz - great to see you here
After you left on Saturday and I wandered off handing out leaflets to likely recipients a number of different young Muslims struck up conversations with me, and as ever, and as you will well know, not a one was in disagreement, all were aware of the true story to some extent at least
Have you any ideas about engaging an actual response, or are people still too worried about having their doors kicked in at dawn?

[Riaz Ahmed]

Hi there dh...

Do you mind me call you that?

Fancy seeing you here … lol
Well done!
It doesn’t surprise me that you got this response. But I am happy that you have made such an approach and targeted some Muslim youths.

Just been thinking about this whole issue. Like myself, I wasn’t aware that there was so much going on behind the scenes when it came to the 9.11 truth movement. I am guilty of that!

I fear, well I know that this is probably the case with the majority of the Muslims. And also like you have mentioned that they will be cautious of being targeted.

I think the best we can do is continue to push the message everyway possible and make the Asian community aware that there are organizations that are in pursuit of the truth and that they are on their side (directly or indirectly).

I have been placing your handouts/leaflets in Asian shops in my area. Hopefully this should raise a few eyebrows!

[Jane]

Riaz Ahmed says:

Hence, they have turned this into a movie - "Good Vs Evil".

Indeed, but the noticeable thing (for those who can still "notice" these things!!) is that they have managed to twist the whole thing around so that:

Fair is foul, and foul is fair:
Hover through the fog and filthy air.

(Quote from "The Scottish Play"!)

We (the great Ignorent mass of the "Big Brother" / "Panorama " watching, "Sun" readers or "Times" readers. "Great British Public" are the "Evil Buggers" in my view of things!!

And I certainly do not intend to "Wait For the Worms" to come and "Smash in the windows and kick in the doors"

High time now to change the direction in which we are all heading (those of us who do not want to go in this direction, being nevertheless dragged along with the other millions of mad lemmings!) - High time, and you, Riaz Ahmed are literally a "God Send" to help us in this difficult task in my "humble opinion"!

[paul wright]

Yeah Riaz, I prefer dh actually.
You know Riaz, articles in this particular part of the forum don't seem to make it into the articles listing on the front home page, which is where the majority of posters go.
I only noticed you accidentally
It would be much better placed in the public forums for instance under 'campaigning', where it should go up.
How about Re-titling and rephrasing it a little and putting it there
I don't think the mods would find it untoward, as it is posing an important point, and anyway there are only about three other muslims active on the board, so I think you would be well received
My suggestion anyway
dh

[Newspeak International]

Great to see the two of you know each other, and that those lads know a few things,this is indeed encouraging.

N

[Riaz Ahmed]

Ditto: Jane

I agree with your suggestion dh. Let me find away around this and will try getting this up and running in a more popular area of the message board.

This is all new to me.

[Newspeak International]

Great post Jane, dunno how I missed it earlier!

The Scottish play? that wouldn't be Mac....

[paul wright]

Beth now let doom and death visit us all - but that only applies to actors doesn't it? Or to us on this world stage? Out damned spot

[Jane]

Riaz says:

"The Greatest battle is within"

Isn't this the true meaning of "The Jihad" Riaz? The battle against our own egos?!!! No wonder we lazy, self indulgent "Westerners" would prefer to see it as "alien suicide bombers" trying to murder us!!!

Also re dh your foot note: ..."The Death of Christ" - so many so called "Christians" prefer to think about Old Testiment "Commandments" (as if you need to have "laws" telling you the right way to go on, because otherwise you wouldn't know!) "Thou shalt NOT...whatever...." whilst choosing to "foget" the one "Commandment" of Christ: "Love One Another!"

[MR_SNIPER]

Hi Jane.... ...hmm....i'm tarzan....hehe....

[Riaz Ahmed]

Jane Quotes:

Isn't this the true meaning of "The Jihad" Riaz? The battle against our own egos?!!!

Yes. Your quite right Jane. There are different levels of Jihaad.
Jihaad starts from within - fighting your whims, wishes and your weakness, etc. I believe this is the hardest form to conquer.

And there is the Jihad on the other side of the spectrum. Muslims are allowed to carry out Jihad (in the sense of picking up arms) "ONLY" in self-defense and to counter persecution.

When you are being persecuted , your land & culture is being raped by an outsider - its a human right to defend whats yours. We are taught to turn the other cheek to a certain extent.

Plus - Muslims are only commanded to turn their aggression on the military and to target them. It is not allowed at all to target the innocent/civilians.

So you see how the media use the word "Jihad" as an evil act!!!

I dont mean to turn this thread to a religious thing and go off the point. But I am glad to clear misconceptions and learn from each other.

2:127 - Al-Fitnah....
(Persecution, creating disorder, random bloodshed, harming the non-combatant, disrupting peace) is a crime much greater then killing....
The Noble Quran.

[MR_SNIPER]

Assalamualaikum..ya ahmed.....u r right mr....ur explanations very clear to all ...actually they dont understand wht is J.I.H.A.D...in the name of god!..u can see wht happened to our palestinian ppl...wht isreal do!they killed all palestinian who defence their land...wife...children from zionist..isit wrong?They take everything u have ...Hmm nobody know ..i can feel wht they feel....very touching!!!

[Riaz Ahmed]

Wa-laikum-Salaam Sniper.

Thats a hipp name!

Whats your background Bro? Asian? Not that it matters - just getting to know the people here.

Riaz

[MR_SNIPER]

yeah bro i'm from asian...last month 9/11 group came here and give some info about 9/11 conspiracy!!....tht good!! now ppl know wht happened!!!It's all about mossad or israel conspiracy....we know tht.....see wht happened to Lebanon!!not bcoz of 2 zionist soldier.....stupid reason!!i cant accpt that!!children,women ,blood,crying everywhere,bombing.......so pity....worse than somalia!! fren....wht can we do?just see?just protes?huh!!.....huwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Riaz Ahmed]

Well,

My wife and I follow the ARY and Al-Jeezera news Channel in the evenings. These Journalists go into the heart of the Battlefield and give you clear pictures and news of whats "Really" happening out there and its disturbing!!!

If its any consolation for any of us - Hizbullah have really put up a resistance this time. They will never tell you on CNN etc , that Israel forces have suffered at lot at the hands of the Hizbullah and it is embarrasing for them to say that. Hence, the reserves are on the standby!

I am ant- war & anti-violence , but I am happy that they have put up the resistance for the injustice that the Palestinians face!