Post which got Nazi apologist Nick Kollerstrom banned

[ian neal]

Just to point out for anyone who gives a toss that

1) NK's 'research' contained no original research and

2) The merits of this research or lack of merit and the wider issue of holocaust revisionism and its place within the truth movement were debated endlessly page after page after page on this thread

http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewto ... light=nick

and on several others (just search Nick, Kollerstrom, astro3 or holocaust). There is absolutely nothing new that has been said on this thread that hasn't been said many times before. Furthermore just because I choose not to debate the finer details of the holocaust or WWII here does not mean that I necessarily accept every aspect of 'received wisdom' or accepted history as true and that I either need or want other posters to 'educate' me by posting me your favourite writings from Henry Makow, you patronising fools.

So don't take lack of engagement in the same old tired arguments as some kind of victory. And don't distort the argument to be about wider issues when it is actually about the merits and wisdom of what Nick published and has failed to retract which effectively described the Nazi camps as glorified Butlins.

Put simply do you buy the argument that Nazi guards stood around while the camp inmates follicked in the camp's swimming pool? Do you not get why so many of us had a problem with Nick's 'research' and his subsequent behaviour? Don't bother answering. They are rhetorical questions.

[Andrew.]

ian neal wrote:

n my book it is undeniable that the nazis were hideously evil (but not uniquely so) who specifically targetted and persecuted jews. Granted elite zionists collaborated with the nazis against their 'fellow jews' for their own nefarious reasons but that does not excuse the nazis.

You still haven't joined the dots on the above and who the nazis
(Of those movers and shakers with enough influence)
etc, were and still are? You still seem trapped in the left / right sham.

[ian neal]

This further diverts the thread. Besides I disagree with your evidence free assertion. You haven't got a clue on what I know and what I don't so don't presume to do so.

In the past I did take the time to engage in a wider debate on WWII and I believe these posts did demonstrate how I'm aware of how some of the dots from then join with the dots from now. Else where I have often demonstrated that I don't buy the left/right paradigm, but don't expect me to repeat myself just to prove you wrong.

Over and out

[Andrew.]

This further diverts the thread. Besides I disagree with your evidence free assertion. You haven't got a clue on what I know and what I don't so don't presume to do so.

In the past I did take the time to engage in a wider debate on WWII and I believe these posts did demonstrate how I'm aware of how some of the dots from then join with the dots from now. Else where I have often demonstrated that I don't buy the left/right paradigm, but don't expect me to repeat myself just to prove you wrong.

Over and out

ian neal wrote:

http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewto ... k&start=30
kbo I disagree. If you want to expose the evil oligarchs behind the 'war on terror' genocide arguing the toss over holocaust does not help indeed is extremely counter productive. The unanswered questions of 9/11 and 7/7 are the key issues to focus and in terms of exposing Israel false flag terror issues like USS Liberty or the Lavon affair are far more relevent and less sensitive than holocaust discussion. Surely you can see this?

I can see how 9/11 and 7/7 are more key issues today, but fail to see how you cannot see, via all the evidence including NK's the false flag of whatever did happen to those relatively few Jews that did suffer, by other Jews. Obviously they didn’t want to exterminate all their own kind. Which is a meme the PTB (so called) even try to push. Which is why it makes no sense that they would try to exterminate them in the way we are constantly reminded of, other than those Jews who were brave enough to speak out about it (zionism) who they would have murdered. "Some even saying before hand, as a necessary sacrifice. For the meme we have seen play out since, “look what the Nazi’s did to the Jews” but really was done by some of their own people who are whatever label you can name, but for the purpose of world domination for them alone."

"By Zionists I mean of the 33 kind and all its tentacles and names used. Which don’t necessarily have to be counterfeit Jews, but we also know they play a big part in it. Most researchers throughout history would say the biggest part."

[TonyGosling]

How ever many Jews were ethnically cleansed you sound callous and stupid making comments like this Andrew.
You're twisting historical facts in the favour of racist fascists and I wonder why you feel that is a useful thing to do?
Why make excuses for these evil people?

whatever did happen to those relatively few Jews that did suffer

[Andrew.]

How ever many Jews were ethnically cleansed you sound callous and stupid making comments like this Andrew.
You're twisting historical facts in the favour of racist fascists and I wonder why you feel that is a useful thing to do?
Why make excuses for these evil people?

whatever did happen to those relatively few Jews that did suffer

Not as callous and stupid as you Tony for protecting the evil ideology that actually did murder those relatively few, the same evil ideology that has murdered many millions more.

Should it matter what body they were in? To atheist Nazi’s etc it obviously does which is why Hitler (who's body was half Jewish) it’s said wanted a master race, which is obviously atheism. Who knows but God what body you or I were in at that time? And going back in history, you’re a Christian so why can’t you see this.

[kbo234]

or want other posters to 'educate' me by posting me your favourite writings from Henry Makow, you patronising fools.

We can decide for ourselves who the fools and fiends are around here.

Some of think that propaganda about 'The Holocaust' is sufficiently damaging to the world at large that we should resist those who would impose a taboo against mentioning any serious problems with it.

Unfortunately, the way things are going with many who consider themselves the 'official' 9/11 Truth movement, if this ever batters its way onto the front pages the whole protest will be led by Zionists.

I still can't get over our mysterious failure to put up a candidate for the 2006 Bromley By-Election.

[kbo234]

Just to point out for anyone who gives a toss that

1) NK's 'research' contained no original research and

.........to quote the post immediately prior to you attacking this 'straw man':

(NK's paper on the research of Leuchter and Rudolf).

You assert that NK, in his article, was sneering at the suffering of those who died in Auschwitz.

He was not.

Though he is clumsy with words, as said in previous post, his tone was targeted at the propaganda machine that has placed 'out of bounds' all facts relating to the camp that indicate it was a Work Camp rather than a built-for-purpose Death camp.

.......the purple-stained walls of the delousing chamber, the swimming pool, the theatre.

Should we really accept history presented as a narrative full of lies?

Should we?

I don't know if people were gassed at Auschwitz or not, but all the evidence I have seen in the last four years or so (from The Red Cross, Auschwitz's own detailed written records and analysis of the maximum crematoria outputs) indicates that there were no mass-exterminations of the kind so publicly promoted.

I think I live in a country terrified of criticising Jews and Israel.

This is a disaster for us.

An utter disaster.

Zionists dominate every aspect of our country's culture, political, social, artistic, you name it.

We live under the oppression of a template scripted by Frankfurt School Psychologists (almost exclusively jews, by the way). We are being led by the nose like sheep to our doom towards a one-world banker-controlled (and Luciferian, in my opinion) nightmare.

We have already been told that our children will be debt-slaves before they even begin their working lives. And we just accept it.

This is how tight the mindlock already is.

I find it difficult not to reflect the contempt expressed against NK, myself, Thermate and others on this board.

If you cannot recognise the destructive power this has over us you are simply failing to be honest.

What on earth is the point of going on about 9/11 and giving the people mainly responsible a free pass.

Do you think ordinary innocent Jewish people do not need to know this too??
One very good reason for being a Christian today is we can look back at a man possessed by the Love of God who nonetheless confronted the poison in the midst of Jewish life, the moneychangers and the Pharisees.

This is the poison in everybody's midst today.... except the Luciferians have got a large number of power-hungry goy helpers.

We may continue to ignore this issue now but I assure you that if Israel attacks Iran bringing utter catastrophe upon us all, there will be almost NO ONE willing to ignore or swallow lies about the Jewish question after the event.

[Thermate911]

Do you think ordinary innocent Jewish people do not need to know this too??

Emphatically YES! They most certainly need to know. The longer the wretched official story of this most vile of issues is swept under the carpet by misguided moderation on sites like this, the more likely it will be to the further detriment of ordinary non-Zionist Jews everywhere - the majority of whom are still so very scarred by the vile illusion Zion has cast over them for centuries. They are being set up for destruction - again - and sites like this are aiding and abetting that fall by dodging the issue.

I have come to the sad conclusion that the 'fog' here, although not as bad as most suborned 9/11 sites, is increasing. There appear to be 'pressures' here that are rendering rational discourse nearly impossible.

Perhaps it has something to do with this thing called 'strategy' the mods are so very keen on, despite the potential 'psychic poisonous fallout' we are now experiencing?

I note 'no takers' on Edwin Black - silence - why is this do you think?

@ian neal - the fact remains that Mr.Kollerstrom's 7/7 research was seminal and most effective. Perhaps this is contributory in some 'cercles' to the very smelly smokescreen that has been thrown up around him and his unfortunate choice of words?

Also, I find your idea that we post here merely to educate you troublesomely arrogant and somewhat egotistical. You're the least of our worries - probably! ;-)

Should we really accept history presented as a narrative full of lies?

Should we?

Anyone who can't see the parallels between all these 'official stories' is either thick, subverted or too frightened of the implications, IMO. With the Zionists now in full control of the District of Corruption, courtesy of electronic voting, war with Iran has become inevitable. Yet it always was, as Rothschild cannot abide the thought of usury-free banking...

It is WAY past time for a combined assault on the toweringly parasitic Bauer/Bayer family - they must be rendered toothless and powerless before they finally destroy everything compassionate humanity holds dear. I note the French are starting the right approach on December 7th...

[ian neal]

Also, I find your idea that we post here merely to educate you troublesomely arrogant and somewhat egotistical. You're the least of our worries - probably!

There are numerous posts on this thread from you and Kevin where you have put forward articles and video that talk about the wider picture of WWII, Zionism and Holocaust revisionism followed by demands/appeals that I, wakey or Tony engage in discussing their content together with patronising drivel that because I choose not to (because it ain't the bloody topic being discussed) that I must somehow be unaware of this history and these types of arguments. When of course I'm fully aware of them. I find this approach to be super patronising as well as tactic to drive the thread off topic to avoid with the actual issue which is what Nick wrote and how he acted and why I found it offensive and extremely unhelpful.

[Andrew.]

When of course I'm fully aware of them.

The point is Ian, if you are Fully aware of them (this history) then why, have you and others reacted in the way you have. He NK has done no wrong in researching it. Of course people don't have to discuss the subject, and again since you are fully aware why chastise him.

So the real point is not so much about NK, but people’s reaction to him when he has done no wrong in doing some research and it does fit in with the bigger picture as in fully aware. So now we come to the title of this thread and in view of being fully aware of this history, it’s backwards because it’s not he that is an a apologist, but the people who are trying to cover up what the Zionazi’s etc, did and still do. A large part of which is the false history, to hide their tracks and put the blame fully on others.

[Prole]

Which 'bigger picture'? This one?

Precisely how many degrees of separation do you want?



and no it wasn't just a photo op he went to dinner with this woman and also sought her advice..





NK is currently regurgitating the J7: 7/7 Inquests blog, much in the way he plagiarised the J7 website, rather than conduct his own research. When challenged on why he does this, he informed me that he 'has a book to sell'. Shameful.

[Andrew.]

Which 'bigger picture'? This one?

Precisely how many degrees of separation do you want?

Well you’re openly Marxist prole, which is just the same as Zionazi by which I mean those ideologies come from one deceptive source. *Which is not to say that you have genocidal tendencies, but we can be sure that at the very least you have been duped.

*(edit, prole didn't cut short what was originally posted)

(edit)
It doesn’t necessarily mean he’s an active member of the so called BBP http://www.bpp.org.uk/ which if you take a look has an emblem about the Aryan unity and that is *Ashkenazi racist ideology etc.

*Nazism and Marxism compared
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=19556

[Prole]

Which 'bigger picture'? This one?

Precisely how many degrees of separation do you want?

Well you’re openly Marxist prole, which is just the same as Zionazi by which I mean those ideologies come from one deceptive source.

No doubt Satan in your book - anyway I just wanted to make the point. Do what you want with it.

[Andrew.]

Which 'bigger picture'? This one?

Precisely how many degrees of separation do you want?

Well you’re openly Marxist prole, which is just the same as Zionazi by which I mean those ideologies come from one deceptive source.

No doubt Satan in your book - anyway I just wanted to make the point. Do what you want with it.

Yes and the synagogue of satan, which has turned out so true, by spades.

[Thermate911]

... ... ...I find this approach to be super patronising as well as tactic to drive the thread off topic to avoid with the actual issue which is what Nick wrote and how he acted and why I found it offensive and extremely unhelpful.

My apologies, ian. I was entirely unaware that this is the ianneal911forum.org. Silly me, being under the impression that it was a 9/11 board for the concerned general public's consumption.

However, you're still stuck with calling NK a 'Nazi apologist' rather than an effective non-partisan researcher into the truth...

If you genuinely are, as you claim, fully aware of the financial manipulations behind the early stages of the Third Reich then, IMO, you are doing a very poor job of making these diabolical affairs more widely known. In fact, you appear to be doing quite the opposite; that is why I resurrected this thread in the first place.

[kbo234]

NK is currently regurgitating the J7: 7/7 Inquests blog, much in the way he plagiarised the J7 website, rather than conduct his own research. When challenged on why he does this, he informed me that he 'has a book to sell'. Shameful.

Hang on...who pursued British Rail staff until they got the Luton/King's Cross train times that scrambled the government's original narrative?

Nick Kollerstrom and James Stewart from Blackpool.

Who is taking credit for this now.

You.

Is that shameful?

Nick has written a book on 7/7 as you know. He has carried out plenty of research. Now he is looking at all the information available in the public domain, as you are. He might sometimes use information on your site to construct his theories about the day but....

....what, in God's name is the information there for if not to be read and critically assessed by others.

Do you think you are the only one entitled to an opinion on the subject?

Nick has used many sources besides yourself and, may I say, exhibits a respect for the excellent work your group (that he used to be part of) has done.

It puzzles me that you find it necessary to revile Nick Kollerstrom and Muad'Dib. They have not only posed questions but also submitted alternative and much more realistic narratives for the day than the official 'suicide bomber' story.

Why are such thoughts forbidden?

Is the world meant to wait with baited breath for you to decide what really happened on 7/7 or is the business of not only nailing lies but explaining their purpose a place that you believe nobody should ever go?

[Andrew.]

There is also this credit given.


(Credit to Bridget Dunne for this vitally important insight)

http://mtrial.org/news/171010-ripple-ef ... ins-intact

Dear Muad'Dib,

I've been going to the 7/7 Inquest. It seems to me that corroboration of the basic Ripple thesis is taking place! Here is something I have written....

(might want to put it on your website?)

yours truly, Nicholas



Ripple Effect Story Remains Intact

by Nicholas Kollerstrom

I've been rather sceptical over whether the Four really were in London that morning. But, on the afternoon of Thursday 13th October, all of the CCTV showing Hasib Hussein at King's Cross was shown at the Inquest. There was a lot. Its clear that he was really there - I was convinced at last. From 8.55 to 9.22 he was shown pottering about with his big rucksack.

I suggest this makes it unlikely that the Four had caught the 07.25 train from Luton, arriving at 8.23 - in that case he would have appeared on film a lot earlier. No, Let's say they got the 7.42 (actually the delayed 7.30) which arrived in King's Cross 8.39 - that would fit better with his appearance on the CCTV at 8.55 in the main King's Cross station area.

It gets better. On the day before the Wednesday the Met at last released their non-pixellated images of entry into Luton station, so the times could be read. On the earlier visit of 28 June, (three of them - no Hasib Hussein) it took five minutes from the car-park door of Luton through the station and down onto the platform - which seems about right:

28/6 08.10.07 Enter Luton, 08.14.26 Go through barriers, 08.15.07 Enter platform

Various people have tried doing this, and generally reached a similar estimate. Now, on the moring of 7/7, we are given:

7/7 07.21.54 Enter Luton, 07.22.29 Ticket hall, 07.22.43 Go through barriers, 07.23.27 On platform, 07.24.47 Train arrives, 07.24.56 Board, 07.25.36 Train leaves

7.22 they enter, and a minute and a half later they are on the platform. No way!

They cannot take only half the time carrying big, deadly rucksacks. Don't forget, for a whole year all the media and the Met were singing from the same hymn-sheet, all saying that they had gotten onto the 7.40. Don't forget, even Andy Hayman's 2009 book on the whole subject had still said they got the 7.40 - this would be unthinkable if they really had had all of the CCTV they are now pretending to have, showing the Four caught the 7.25. (Credit to Bridget Dunne for this vitally important insight)

Plus, they are now pretending to have witnesses on the 7.25 train who noticed them - just as in the 2006 Official Report they had witnesses on the 7.40 train who recognised them. It's baloney.

I suggest we are obliged to conclude, that if they really did enter Luton station at 7.22, as the famous (fiddled-with) picture shows, then they had absolutely no intention of catching the 7.24.

So, this takes us right into the Ripple Effect story, whereby the Four 'missed their train' or at any rate more or less caught the 7.40 they had intended to catch (the 7.42, arriving 8.39), and arrived too late to participate in the terror-drill that morning - which was what they came for.

That I suggest is the only story now left standing.








From: "Muad'Dib" <Muad-Dib@JforJustice.co.uk>
Date: Sat, October 16, 2010 1:07 pm
To: "Nicholas Kollerstrom" <nkastro3@gmail.com>



Dear Nicholas,

Bless you!

I hope this finds you well, in good spirit and having a god day.

Thank you very much for your message, commitment to truth, dedication and perseverance.

I'm as certain as I can be, without having been involved in the planning, that what I put in 7/7 Riple Effect is exactly what happened and that is why they had to react to it and couldn't just ignore it like they normally do.

I have them bang to rights and THEY know it, which is why THEY are attacking me to try to make an example of me to shut others up, as they KNOW they can't shut me up.

I will most certainly send it to "Friends of Muad'Dib" for them to put it up there. Please keep up the good work. We will win in the end as long as we stick at it and together.

I hope you have a good and well-deserved weekend.

Long live the Fighters (for God/good),

Muad'Dib.

[Prole]

which if you take a look has an emblem about the Aryan unity and that is *Ashkenazi racist ideology etc.

I think you'll find that Aryan supremacist ideology also finds its roots in Theosophy, an ideology promoted by 33 degree Masons such as Madame Blavatsky, Annie Besant and paedophile Charles Leadbeater.

You might find common cause with NK over this, as his father Oscar Kollerstrom was one of Leadbeater's 'pupils' and was being groomed as the 'second coming' until pushed aside by Krishnamurti.

7. The Kollerstrom family were pioneers of Theosophy in Australia since the 1890's. Gustav served as the publicity officer of the Sydney Lodge, and was ordained as a priest. His wife, Gertrude, was also actively involved. They had a son, Oscar, who was a pupil of Leadbeater, and two daughters.

16. Oscar Kollerstrom (1903-1979) was Leadbeater's first and principal pupil when he settled in Sydney in 1915; he quickly became involved in the Church and was preaching by the time he was fifteen years old. Leadbeater endeavoured to keep him separate from his other pupils, attributing special occult status to him. Detailed accounts of Oscar were obtained in interviews with Rex Henry, and Mrs. Brigit Kollerstrom (Kollerstrom's third wife), and in correspondence with his second wife, Sean.

http://leadbeater.org/tillettcwlnotes.htm

After all the gloomy news of "troubles" in Sydney, The Theosophist could cheer its readers with news of the formation of yet another organization working for the Coming: The Order of the New Age, of which Leadbeater was Patron, and his pupil, Oscar Kollerstrom, Head.
...
On August 10th the revelations continued. Arundale announced that he had been told the names of the "Twelve Apostles" who had been chosen by the Lord to work with him when he came: they were to include Mrs Besant, Leadbeater, Jinarajadasa, Arundale, Rukmini, Wedgwood, Nityananda and Oscar Kollerstrom. The names of the other four were not made public, although Rajagopal, Theodore St John and Lady Emily were included in one version of the list. [58] Arundale declared that he and Wedgwood were direct pupils of the Mahachohan, and Wedgwood was to be Mahachohan of the Seventh Root Race, with Mrs Besant as his Manu and Leadbeater as his Bodhisattva. This necessitated the Mahachohan "gradually withdrawing his influence" from Jinarajadasa, who had previously been promised that position, and who required special help to deal with his loss of status.

Arundale himself was to be "Chief of Staff" of the Seventh Root Race, and this was to be his last incarnation. Thereafter, he would be a sort of galactic trouble-shooter, ranging the Universe but not attached to any specific planet.

On August 11th, Mrs Besant announced the Apostles at the Star Congress at Ommen, quite close to Huizen, by command of "the King", and revealed that the Lord had ordered "three lines of activity" in preparation for his coming. These were a World Religion, a World University and the Revival of the Mysteries through ceremonial work to bridge the lower physical and higher subtle worlds. She announced the establishment of the World University with herself as Rector, Arundale as Principal and Wedgwood as Director of Studies, and ominously declared:

"The Lords of the Dark Face have hopes of setting back the Coming, which they cannot prevent, but which if we are disloyal, they can retard."

Perhaps there exist no links between NK and Theosophy now, except:

Dark Side of Neptune
The Dark Side of Neptune – or Lunacy? Les Bailey will be looking at Case Histories.
Also: Members Class - Astronomy: Cycles of the Moon - Nick Kollerstrom
The Astrological Lodge of London at the Theosophical Society, 50 Gloucester Place, London W1U 8EA
Astrological Lodge of London

http://www.astrolodge.co.uk/index.php?p ... -the-lodge

hen on 13 July 1915, the Leos held an informal meeting at a house in Finchley, London. At about 7:15 that evening. Alan announced that he believed the time was ripe to bring together theosophy and astrology in a new theosophical lodge. He was to be president with Bessie acting as vice president and meetings would be held every Monday evening at 2 Upper Woburn Place.

Leo proposed that Bessie should be president, and this was unanimously agreed. The Middlesex Lodge was formed, with its first meeting taking place on 13 September. The theosophist AP Sinnett spoke, stressing the importance of astrology and hinting that he had evidence that the Masters based predictions on astrological conditions. Lady Lutyens was a speaker a couple of months later, addressing the Lodge on the coming of the world teacher - Krishnamurti.

The lines between the Lodge and the Institute were never clearly drawn, but the Institute was almost completely collapsed by 1919, although it floundered for a little while longer. With the support of the Theosophical Society, the Lodge was destined to be the most successful of the many societies that Leo established.

edit: The actual phrase "Great White Brotherhood" was used extensively in Leadbeater's 1925 book The Masters and the Path
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_White_Brotherhood

[TonyGosling]

And as Nazi hunter Peter Levenda explains so eloquently in his book 'Unholy Alliance'. Theosphists were behind the Aryan supremacist 'Thule Society' that so entranced Adolf in the inter-war years.

Dangerous stuff this dabbling in the Egyptian Isis Osiris cult as the captive Jews well knew back in 1500 BC.

[kbo234]

I have supped many pints with Nick Kollerstrom over the past months in occult temples that, to my innocent eyes, doubled as London pubs.

He has not breathed a word to me about any of this stuff.

Do you think that I am, unknown to myself, being inducted into some Thule, Aryan supremacist, Theosophical, Nazi underworld?

You've really got me worried now.

[TonyGosling]

Did you expect him to have the crooked cross branded into his forehead? Nazis pulled down their swastikas and burned their uniforms back in 1944.

[kbo234]

Ah, so their self-worshiping spirituality, genetic Jew-hatred and racial supremacism is now invisible but remains intact?....

......well, in the case of NK anyway.

His writings about gas chambers, 7/7, 9/11, the Belgrano etc is driven not by a desire for uncovering truth but from a deep instinctive (and probably inherited) drive to eradicate Jews?

This is what you seem to be saying.

Have you any idea what a fascist (or Nazi, if you prefer) this makes YOU sound, Tony?

This is real and truly irrational hate-speech....

......presumably a product of some mental block/wish-fulfillment response of the Gosling id that leaps into action whenever the word 'Holocaust' is mentioned.

I am frankly baffled that someone who calls himself a Christian can condemn a man (like you have the damn right) based on his analysis of cold facts that you (and others in the deathly chorus ) are far too morally cowardly to even reference in argument.

This lousy, venal, cowardly vilification of Nick Kollerstrom is starting to make me feel physically sick.

Where is there to go to find truth in this world?

Where?

Goodbye.

[Andrew.]

I think you'll find that Aryan supremacist ideology also finds its roots in Theosophy, an ideology promoted by 33 degree Masons such as Madame Blavatsky, Annie Besant and paedophile Charles Leadbeater.

Yes and Marxism. *We can all be easily deceived, lets hope people repent when they learn some truths and keep on seeking; being careful of not becoming info maniacs, going in circles.

You might find common cause with NK over this, as his father Oscar Kollerstrom was one of Leadbeater's 'pupils' and was being groomed as the 'second coming' until pushed aside by Krishnamurti.

(edit)
I don't know much about his background, but a person is guilty of their own crime-s, not others. And *

Such as one of the nicest guys (people said) that used to post here and is now deceased (his body) who's dad was a founder it's said of the Tavistock Clinic.

[Andrew.]

And as Nazi hunter Peter Levenda explains so eloquently in his book 'Unholy Alliance'. Theosphists were behind the Aryan supremacist 'Thule Society' that so entranced Adolf in the inter-war years.

Dangerous stuff this dabbling in the Egyptian Isis Osiris cult as the captive Jews well knew back in 1500 BC.

Captive Israelites Tony, not the people who have replaced their identity. As you well know. (edit) YOU seem to be aiding those that would want to do this, why?

[Prole]

Yes and Marxism.

Nineteenth century theosophy started in the same American state: in New York City in 1875 Colonel (U.S. army, retired) H.S. Olcott, and Russian aristocrat Madame Helena Petrovna Blavatsky (H.P.B; 1831-1891) founded the Theosophical Society (TS). They, and others from a Spiritualist background, wanted more coherent doctrine and organization. It was only since the 1880's (the decade when Marx died and Engels was in his sixties) that the Theosophical Society became sizable, first in south Asia, later in the U.S. and Europe.

Spiritualism

Marx and Engels, in their voluminous works, often referred to Spiritualism. On examination, all these references are brief to very brief. Some of them do not mention Spiritualism by name, but are jokes (for instance, by Marx in Das Kapital) about dancing tables,4) "ghost-rappers, ghost-rapping shakers..."5)

Engels in a letter briefly put this movement into the perspective of U.S. society:

though the Americans ... have not taken over from Europe medieval institutions, they did take over lots of medieval tradition, religion, English common (feudal) law, superstition, spiritualism, in short, all nonsense, that was not directly harmful to business, and now is very useful to dull the masses.

So he thought modern spiritualism was unmodern. He tried to explain its recent rise only when he used the word "now", as he wrote about usefulness to the rich in their battle against the poor.

http://www.stelling.nl/simpos/marxthh.htm

Another interesting snippet on Theosophy:

Origins

BMA House was originally designed for the Theosophical Society before the First World War. This was an esoteric religious organisation of which Lutyens' wife was a member and she introduced her husband to the Theosophical Society's president, Mrs Annie Besant, who subsequently commissioned Lutyens to design a headquarters for her Society.

The ground was broken and the foundation stone laid at a masonic ceremony with a gramophone playing Wagner on 3 September 1911. Lutyens' original plan for the Theosophical Society was for a quadrangular building with a large cupola on the western side of the courtyard over its arched entrance.

However, the war interrupted work and the army pay office took over the uncompleted structure. After the war the Theosophical Society could no longer afford to finish the building and so it was sold to the BMA for £50,000 with a 200-year lease from the Bedford Estates at a ground rent of £1,600. The Association later purchased the freehold of the site in 1962.

Style

The BMA called Lutyens back to complete the building to their specifications. As the Theosophical Society had also experienced, the relationship between architect and the client was often strained, largely due to the cost of decoration.

The original Lutyens part of the building as it stands today comprises the Great Hall and the Snow and Paget Rooms with two wings on the north and south sides of the Gates of Remembrance.

The building is neo-classical Palladian in style, called by Lutyens 'Wrenassiance' after Sir Christopher Wren. Portland stone and red brick were used for the facades and dressings with green Westmorland slate roofs. One of the best views of BMA House is that in Burton Street at the back of the building with its Portland stone scallop shells.

http://www.bma.org.uk/about_bma/bma_hou ... ecture.jsp

[Andrew.]

in short, all nonsense, that was not directly harmful to business, and now is very useful to dull the masses.

PROTOCOL 3
METHODS OF CONQUEST
The Symbolic Snake – "People's Rights" – Liquidation of the Goyim – "Sovereign Lord of the World" – Universal economic crisis – "Ours they will not touch…" – Secret masonic agents.

PROTOCOL 4
MATERIALISM REPLACES RELIGION
Stages of a Republic – Gentile masonry a screen – International speculation of industry – Cult of Gold

"In the early 1850's; the Illuminati held a secret meeting in New York which was addressed by a British Illuminist named Wright. Those in attendance were told that the Illuminati was organizing to unite the Nihilist and Atheist groups with all other subversive groups into an international group to be known as Communists. That was when the word: "communist" first came into being and it was intended to be the supreme weapon and scare-word to terrify the whole world and drive the terrorized peoples into the Illuminati one-world scheme. This scheme: "communism," was to be used to enable the Illuminati to foment future wars and revolutions. Clinton Roosevelt, a direct ancestor of Franklin Roosevelt; Horace Greeley; and Charles Dana; foremost newspaper-publishers of that time were appointed to head a committee to raise funds for the new venture. Of course, most of the funds were provided by the Rothschilds and this fund was used to finance Karl Marx and Engels when they wrote "Das Kapital" and the "Communist Manifesto" in Soho, England. And this clearly reveals that communism is not a so-called ideology, but a secret weapon; a bogy-man word to serve the purpose of the Illuminati.



"Weishaupt died in 1830; but prior to his death, he prepared a revised version of the age-old conspiracy, the Illuminati, which under various aliases was to organize, finance, direct, and control all international organizations and groups by working their agents into executive positions at the top. In the United States we have Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Jack Kennedy, Johnson, Rusk, McNamara, Fulbright, George Bush etc., as prime examples. In addition, while Karl Marx was writing the "Communist Manifesto" under the director of one group of Illuminists, Professor Karl Ritter of Frankfurt University was writing the antithesis under the direction of another group. The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies to enable them to divide larger and larger numbers of the human-race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other. And particularly, to destroy all political and religious institutions. The work Ritter started was continued after his death and completed by the German so-called philosopher Freidrich Wilhelm Nietzsche who founded Nietzscheanism. This Nietzscheanism was later developed into Fascism and then into Nazism and was used to foment World War I and II.

"Now in those years, the legendary Diamond Jim Brady used to throw a banquet at the famous Delmonico Restaurant in New York after the opening-performance of a popular play. He threw such a party for the cast of "The Melting-Pot," its author, producer, and chosen Broadway-celebrities. By then I'd already made a personal mark on the Broadway Theater and was invited to that party. There I met George Bernard Shaw and a Jewish writer named Israel Cohen. Zangwill, Shaw, and Cohen were the ones who created the Fabian Society in England and had worked closely with a Frankfurt Jew named Mordicai who had changed his name to Karl Marx; but remember, at that time both Marxism and Communism were just emerging and nobody paid much attention to either and nobody suspected the propaganda in the

[Prole]

Didn't take you long to promulgate the myths that fed Nazism Andrew.

[TonyGosling]

Captive Israelites Tony, not the people who have replaced their identity. As you well know. (edit) YOU seem to be aiding those that would want to do this, why?

So the Jews Hitler exterminated were Zionists & Masons were they Andrew? Rather than genuine followers of the Rabinic tradition?
How you love to turn history on its head to suit your crumbling credibility.
With every post you dig yourself deeper in the blood-soaked mire.

[Andrew.]

Captive Israelites Tony, not the people who have replaced their identity. As you well know. (edit) YOU seem to be aiding those that would want to do this, why?

So the Jews Hitler exterminated were Zionists & Masons were they Andrew? Rather than genuine followers of the Rabinic tradition?
How you love to turn history on its head to suit your crumbling credibility.
With every post you dig yourself deeper in the blood-soaked mire.

No you liar Tony Gosling, look at my post above about those Jews who they would have murdererd. And you have the cheek to say I'm twisting history, your twisting history of what I wrote that is only a few hours old.



And stop twisting further Tony.

"...there is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself. In the fact that so many Jews are Bolsheviks. In the fact that the ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with the finest ideals of Judaism."

"(The Jewish Chronicle, April 4, 1918)
'Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism.'
(The American Bulletin, Rabbi S. Wise, May 5, 1935)"

I can see how 9/11 and 7/7 are more key issues today, but fail to see how you cannot see, via all the evidence including NK's the false flag of whatever did happen to those relatively few Jews that did suffer, by other Jews. Obviously they didn’t want to exterminate all their own kind. Which is a meme the PTB (so called) even try to push. Which is why it makes no sense that they would try to exterminate them in the way we are constantly reminded of, other than those Jews who were brave enough to speak out about it (zionism) who they would have murdered. "Some even saying before hand, as a necessary sacrifice. For the meme we have seen play out since, “look what the Nazi’s did to the Jews” but really was done by some of their own people who are whatever label you can name, but for the purpose of world domination for them alone."

"By Zionists I mean of the 33 kind and all its tentacles and names used. Which don’t necessarily have to be counterfeit Jews, but we also know they play a big part in it. Most researchers throughout history would say the biggest part."

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The Lia Fail - Bethel Stone -Jacob's Pillar-Stone-Stone of destiny 4,000 year history.

In the Scottish National Library there is a Gaelic manuscript (by Dugald the Scot, son of McPhail, in A.D. 1467) containing the complete genealogies of the Scottish kings, showing their descent through the Irish kings by way of Judah, Jacob-Israel and Isaac back to Abraham.

In Windsor Castle there is also a genealogical table showing the descent of the British kings from David through the Irish and Scottish lines. Thus the Monarchy existed long before there was a British Nation." Capt (p. 55)


"So if ever ye come on a Stane wi' a ring
Just sit yersel' doon and proclaim yersel' King.
For there's nane wid be able tae challenge yer claim
That ye'd crowned yersel' King on the Destiny Stane."


*25/12/50 as a form of a Sign. 4,000 year history.

Psalms

118:22 The stone [which] the builders refused is become the head [stone] of the corner.


Hosea

3:4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without The Pillar-Stone, and without an ephod, and [without] teraphim:
3:5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the "I AM" their God, and their Well-Beloved King; and shall fear the "I AM" and His goodness in the latter days.
4:1 Hear the Word of the "I AM", ye children of Israel: for the "I AM" hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because [there is] no Truth, nor Mercy, nor God's Knowledge in the land.




It's been replaced Tony with what?