Loose change makers debate popular mechanics

TRUTH · Post by **TRUTH** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:22 pm

Debate has just started

http://democracynow.org/

TRUTH · Post by **TRUTH** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:46 pm

So far they're doing a pretty good job!

cheggerz · Post by **cheggerz** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:51 pm

Quote from Popular mechanics moron:

"Kevin Ryan from Underwriters Laboratory only know about water, not about steel" !

T*sser!

Me · Post by Me » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:31 pm

Key parts:

One of the Pop. Mech. guys said to the Loose Change makers, "every time you disagree with someone you call them a liar". Jason Bermas (I think?) then says, "I'm not calling anybody a liar", then he turns and looks him square in the chops and goes, "I'm calling 'YOU' a liar". Oh how I adored that part.

Those b****** really do lie so bad. One of them actually claimed that the now famous 'sixteen foot' hole in the Pentagon was really 'ninety feet' wide but it's the angle of the photo that is misleading. Dylan Avery destroyed his argument to * by asking him if that also means that the two windows just above the hole were each thirty feet wide? He had no direct response. What could you really say? A bold-faced lie is a lie.

They also tried to say that the exit hole in the C-ring was made by the landing gear. So two giant titanium/steel alloy Boeing engines evaporated but the landing gear passed through all the way through three concrete sections of the Penatgon? Dylan asked one of them about the source of this information and again as expected, no direct answer. All they did was re-hash old information that has already been disproven.

They also couldn't explain William Rodriguez's testimony supported by multiple witnesses that and explosion had occurred before the planes had impacted the buildings. At that point they simply diverted the issue to jet fuel pouring down the elevator shafts and stairways. Dylan pressed him again, "you're still not addressing the fact that the explosion occurred 'beforehand'. Once again, no direct answer.

Me · Post by Me » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:40 pm

C-SPAN has announced several times that they will be airing a 9/11 Press For Truth Conference today. This is a group that's calling for a new investigation in to the events of 9/11. I'm not sure when exactly they'll be on?

You should be able to grab a live stream here.

If you have a high-speed Internet connection, check for it periodically.

Here's the homepage if the above link doesn't work. The feed links are near the bottom. It's the first one listed "C-SPAN", not to be confused with "C-SPAN 2" or "3".

Again, I'm not sure what time and I have no idea how it would translate to UK time anyway so keep checking.

Me · Post by Me » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:48 pm

OK, it's going to be on at 11 am Eastern US time which is just over two hours from now.

link

Terrorist Attacks of September 11
Washington, District of Columbia (United States)
ID: 194234 - 09/11/2006 - 1:00 - No Sale

Hence, Kyle Co-Founder, 9/11 CitizensWatch
Thompson, Paul Author
Bowman, Robert M. Member, Scholars for 9/11 Truth

On the fifth anniversary of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, a group presses for a new investigation into the attacks. Participants include the producers of a fil 9/11: Press for Truth and relatives of victims.

Mr. Thompson is the author of The Terror Timeline: Year by Year, Day by Day, Minute by Minute: A Comprehensive Chronicle of the Road to 9/11 - and America's Response, published by Regan Books.

Me · Post by Me » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:56 pm

Programming note:

The beginning and end of this live program may be earlier or later than the scheduled times.

TRUTH · Post by **TRUTH** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:53 pm

Me wrote:C-SPAN has announced several times that they will be airing a 9/11 Press For Truth Conference today. This is a group that's calling for a new investigation in to the events of 9/11. I'm not sure when exactly they'll be on?

You should be able to grab a live stream here.

If you have a high-speed Internet connection, check for it periodically.

Here's the homepage if the above link doesn't work. The feed links are near the bottom. It's the first one listed "C-SPAN", not to be confused with "C-SPAN 2" or "3".

Again, I'm not sure what time and I have no idea how it would translate to UK time anyway so keep checking.

Thanks fr pointing this out...its on in 10 mins...

SHERITON HOTEL · Post by **SHERITON HOTEL** » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:25 pm

Still no word from that Popular mechanics expert, who promised to get back to the Arizona radio presenter with proof of all the terrorist DNA found in the WTC rubble, linked to the DNA profiles of the terrorists on that FBI list, yet?

scar · Post by **scar** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:48 am

Heres the torrent for the debate:

Cant wait to hear this, i couldnt see any link to it there yesterday.

Mark Gobell · Post by **Mark Gobell** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:06 am

Nor me Scar.

Here is the Democracy Now page with downloads and a rush transcript.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl? ... 11/1345203

scar · Post by **scar** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:17 am

Thanks Mark.

The torrent is a .rm and therefore nonsense.

John White · Post by **John White** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:34 pm

http://play.rbn.com/?url=demnow/demnow/ ... rtsp&start

Thats a realplayer window, worked well...theres not a lot of visual stuff to examine that we havnt seen before, so its mostly studying the body language and the conversation

I just felt the popular Mechanics guys did a really poor job...

They in NO WAY credibly explained where the plane was at the pentagon, and the "hole 90ft wide" comment seriously pawned their credibility

By the time it got to buidling 7 they were legless

They also, i noticed, continuosly dismissed the value of eye witness testimonies against theoretical models constucted years after the fact.

The theoretical model is their "truth", not primary evidance and statements: most especially when they dont fit!

This broadcast is going to make a whole load more people give weight to "Loose change": I know we are all fingers crossed for a watertight 3rd edition

Roger the Horse · Post by **Roger the Horse** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:34 pm

'JAMES MEIGS: You know, this is a wonderful example of how conspiracy theories work. Any time there’s a little bit of doubt, a little bit of area where we don't know everything, then the answer immediately is, well, someone must have blown it up. It’s a form of argumentation that’s also used by creationists. If they can find one little gap in the evolutionary record, they say evolution’s a hoax. Or Holocaust deniers --

DYLAN AVERY: Mr. Meigs, with all do respect, these are two completely different things.

JAMES MEIGS: Holocaust denial works with very similar --

DYLAN AVERY: Oh, my God!

JASON BERMAS: Oh, man! '

Unbelievable the lengths these people will go to when their argument is crumbling!

Mark Gobell · Post by **Mark Gobell** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:52 pm

James Meigs: Jason I think it's telling that whenever you disagree with someone you call them a liar.

Jason Bermas: I'm not calling anyone a liar. I'm calling you a liar. Because you are a liar.

Sweet.

I have never ever heard such bold faced lies in my life.

The world will be your judge Mr Meigs.

The eyes of the world are watching.

Reflecter · Post by **Reflecter** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:03 pm

The article by Alex Cockburn at the start of this semi anti conspiracy thread is interesting

http://chomskytorrents.org/phpBB2/viewt ... sc&start=0

The article by Alex Cockburn at the start is interesting. Whilst on page 2 they start discussing the LC/PM debate.

Reflecter · Post by **Reflecter** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:21 pm

Very true it does have Liar in it. What did you make of the Alex article?

Reflecter · Post by **Reflecter** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:01 am

All great points. Thank you

I thoroughly agree.

IronSnot · Post by **IronSnot** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:09 am

It's pretty revealing the strategy Meigs and his offsider took to this debate. In my view it places them squarely in the complicit camp, and whether they were aware of that originally or have just come to the conclusion that this operation was a US one, because of the evidence they've seen is irrelevant. They both know and are not doing anything about it.

Hearst.