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Agreed Rodin!

And Mark_e, you may have taken me wrong, but I do not have a lack of respect for anyone... what I do have is a lack of respect for absolute rubbish (Ian Crane is most likely a good solid guy and I would buy him a pint any day, it is just some of his theories which are mince). NPT, beam weapons, missiles in holograms etc is all absolute tosh. I am sorry but that's the score! Also, it is not the organisation which divides itself, it is those who divide it by inventing and/or promoting rediculous theories.

Ok Pikey, you obviously did not concentrate when you read my previous posts. First, to clear up a couple of things. I have never claimed to want to undertake a 9/11 talk. I am well aware how hard it is from doing so many times in a packed lecture theatre at Uni. (I get the shaky voice thing going on... terrible :oops: )... Also, I have also only ever passed through Lancaster from my home town of Glasgow on my way to London, but i'm sure it is a nice city.
Comrade Bongo, I dont expect anyone to be perfect, nor expect them to conform what I would like them to say but as Snowy says Ian is entitled to voice his opinions of what he thinks did happen. I do agree though when you embark on that tact, a minority of people and especially the servants of the fascist state will always highlight that and dismiss the rest of the presentation.
... so why insist on handing them the amunition? If there are people like me who know that 911 was an inside job, but laugh at the rediculous claims (NPT / holograms etc)... you can only guess at how the unaware masses would react.
Talking the talk on the internet is just scratching the surface and your in a comfort zone. For hostile people who hurl abuse and insults imo its for cowards and those with hidden agendas.
... now that is you just being silly!
Delighted to read about your contributions and support for the campaign Bongo; re: copying the dvds and signing the petition. So whats your next contribution?
...Now I would take that as an insult. But to answer your question, my promotion of the 9/11 issues have never stopped. I continually talk to people I meet and point them to Google Video's or give them a DVD etc. I also intend to be at the William Rodreguez talk here in Glasgow on the 10th Feb. I hope that is to your approval sir?
I was quite positive and hopeful after last night however after reading Bongos blog it makes me despair. I am sure though that Bongo is in the minority.
... I whole-heartedly disagree, I think you will find that it is those who pursue NPT etc who are in the minority... imo...by a stretch.
What else at present, apart from Annie & David, Snowy,Willie Rodrigez have we got to inspire and motivate people at grassroots level in the public domain to actually do something as opposed to nothing for the campaign?
... their promotion of 9/11 being an inside job is most welcome and for this, I give them my full support. However, I am also aware that as Rodin stated...
We can only unite about things we all agree to. This is no 'party'. There is no 'whip'. Check out the Hard Sell & Hard Evidence threads for my take on this. We get a list of facts that have both intra-forum and inter-forum support. We try to break this evidence down. What is left standing forms the core of a global truth campaign.
... campaigners with the PR clout such as Mr Shayler and Mr Crane should realise that by representing the UK 9/11 truth movement, they have a responsibility to the movement as a whole. And I believe that their promotion of certain theories does not represent the views of the vast majority of campaigners. I would suggest that they inform themselves of the general grass-roots feelings on these issues and try to get 'in touch' with their public on this. (heck... I'm sounding like a politician now :shock: )
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Rodin and Bongo

Thanks for clearing that up, I'm sure you're both cool and your later posts certainly reflect this. I totally take what you say about hard facts, i will look for your thread as that's a great idea.

The reason why i commented was simply to give you people feedback of a new poster. I think i'm relatively hardened to unusual theories and they wouldn't drive me away, but the bickering does. I mean the first thread i ever read was the david shayler on sky news thread and last night i had a look at the jon ronson thread. can you see what i mean about name calling and bickering?

Anyhow, i think i'm here for good now, helping to raise the truth flag for Ipswich.

Cheers

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mark_e wrote:Rodin and Bongo
Anyhow, i think i'm here for good now, helping to raise the truth flag for Ipswich.

Cheers

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I've not seen any Ian Crane talks yet, but from what I've read, it seems to be David Icke - Reptiles = Ian Crane.

Would I be somewhat correct in that assessment?
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wickywoowoo wrote:I've not seen any Ian Crane talks yet, but from what I've read, it seems to be David Icke - Reptiles = Ian Crane.

Would I be somewhat correct in that assessment?
you could always watch one of his talks its linked here on the first post in this thread. then you can judge for yourself.
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Welcome Mark E :-
As you can see I am a new poster, yet i joined some time ago.

The reason why i am a new poster is because i looked at this forum and what i saw looked like a bunch of people who should know better bickering like school children.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. NPT doesn't sit with me, although the aspect of it that says that what hit the towers and pentagon was not a hijacked airliner does. Perhaps there should be a NHAT

However, I thought the reason for this group was to present a united front declaring that we want some answers on this issue and get the message that things about 9/11 don't add up out to a wider audience. It seems there are people on this forum who are just here to try to score points over each other. All the petty name calling on here is ridiculous.

As a new poster and new member i would like to tell you that I find the conduct and lack of respect shown here far more of a turn off than anyone broaching the NPT. Obviously from some of the posts, i'm not the only one who sees this. Who needs a government to divide them when an organisation does so well at it itself?
Thanx for that Mark I totally understand were your coming from and it breaks my heart to see people creating division when there is so much common ground.

There are bloggers who regularly come here for the wrong reasons and some who are paid to do it.....but you'll soon identify the troublemakers, who are in a minority here, and they regularly come and go.

This is stated on our front page
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The campaign recognizes that there is a diverse range of opinion amongst 9/11 truth campaigners. The campaign does not endorse any one position. What we do say is when taken in totality the evidence overwhelmingly supports the need to reopen 9/11.
There are no leaders or representatives........its a broad church.

I strongly recommend that you touch base with your local 911 truth group where I am sure you will find it a friendly, non hostile and non patronising.

I can assure you that there are many team players in this campaign who are willing and able to work together for the cause of peace, truth and 911 justice. I hope that you will become part of that team and the 911 truth campaign community.
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I would like to thank the Skipton group for arranging the talk by Ian Crane. It was an excellent presentation on the backgound and the realities oF 9/11 and 7/7. Thank you ....Ian.

Sorry to disappoint Wickywoowoo....there was no mention of reptiles or David Icke.

I brought 2 people from Burnley to their first talk on these subjects. They were most impressed by a genuine guy who has put a lot of effort and time into getting the truth out.

Concentrate on the present day holocaust.............
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There are bloggers who regularly come here for the wrong reasons and some who are paid to do it.....but you'll soon identify the troublemakers, who are in a minority here, and they regularly come and go.
Pikey, I think you have been at the Wacky Backy a little too much. There are no troublemakers here and if you have a problem with criticism of subjects such as NPT and Holograms, quite frankly you might as well start preeching that the Earth is infact a flat disc and because of this, sattelite tracking of the hijacked aircraft was not possible on 9/11. :roll:

And as for the statement on the front page...
The campaign recognizes that there is a diverse range of opinion amongst 9/11 truth campaigners. The campaign does not endorse any one position. What we do say is when taken in totality the evidence overwhelmingly supports the need to reopen 9/11.
...there is no evidence that, beyond reasonable doubt, supports NPT, Holograms etc. I would suggest that this was penned at a time before the sudden spate of daft theorys (in the last year or so.) and the author obviously did not envisage such theories.
In any event one of the fundamental flaws in the movement is that it is not an organised movement. Until a strong leadership is installed, I don't see the '9/11 movement' gaining it's ultimate objective of a further investigation. That is just reality.
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Bump:-
Snowygrouch states:-

All,
I`ve fought and sworn at more no-planes people on this site than most (even the reffers on occasion) however I will make these observations and the piss off.

1: Its up to Ian what he says
2: If you disagree with it then start your own talks
3: If you do your own talk people will post messages here saying what a t**T you are for mentioning/NOT mentioning xyz.......
4: I`ve seen one of his talks in person and while I would differ from his approach on perhaps two points alone the hall of about 200 people went home mostly saying "F**K we've been diddled by the NWO/CIA/Bush".

I reckon thats a "bloody good show". If you dont please refer to point 2: above.

C.

The time has LONG gone for bickering folks, LONG LONG LONG ago. Get it together now or B*******R off home and start getting REAL used to watching Jade Goody on TV and wearing your ID badges. Up to us all, it really really is. No other b*****rs are going to get this done...no point waiting around picking holes in eachothers understanding/opinions.
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:roll:
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Post by James C »

Why do so many key people in the truth movement deem it necessary to make stuff up? Most of what Ian Crane says makes sense but the stuff about missiles is pure nonsense.

Ian Crane should not be stating this stuff in public in my opinion. It is extremely damaging.
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The Hidden Agenda

Ian R. Crane's latest DVD, professionally recorded at the 2006 Glastonbury Symposium, goes deep into the rabbit hole. From a rendition of 'WAR' by Frankie Goes to Hollywood, to topical political issues through para-psychology, before moving on to the belief systems of the ruling elite and an exploration of some seriously uncharted territory surrounding the potential significance of 2012.

"You might not agree with everything that Crane discusses in The Hidden Agenda but in joining the dots he creates a picture that demonstrates a breadth and depth of knowledge that is quite breathtaking. Could it really be the case that the manifestation of evil is linked to events taking place outside of this physical realm? Could it really be that the key players in the geopolitical arena are persuing an agenda that is inextricably interlinked with knowledge contained in ancient texts ... & passed down to the initiated via the oral tradition of occult mystery schools? Was the looting and destruction of the Bagdahd musuem one of the primary objectives for the invasion of Iraq? There are undoubtedly those who will compare Crane to a certain other proponent of off-planet involvent in earthly affairs but that goes with the territory being explored in this unique presentation.
For those who remain embroiled in debate over the details surrounding the execution of events such as 9/11, this DVD may be a stretch too far ... Crane has evidently moved on from the froth and veneer of the physical and closes his talk with a quite unexpected, yet tremendously uplifting, message of hope. Highly recommended for all who wish to stretch their cerebral perspicuity."


The Hidden Agenda, available from:

www.spiritualalchemy.com/product_info.p ... ts_id/7042

The content of this DVD will be anathema to some of the previous contributors on this thread ... but if you disagree with Ian, get out into the public domain and put on your own roadshow.

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To the open-minded and open-hearted, Ian's latest DVD effort is very rewarding and thoroughly recommended. This whole process of truthseeking is very much 7 veils stuff isn't it? A person who's got 9/11 in its essence, has lifted the first, but may be willing to go no further therefore will only countenance eg NPT as ridiculous, because they haven't 'seen' that much further into the possiblilites. Likewise those truthers who have one or both feet in the scientific reductionist camp would find areas of Ian's talk beyond the pale.
On the other hand, I gave a talk to a bunch of new agers a couple of years ago, 90% of whom appeared to have accepted the 911 official story without question. Hopefully this would be different now. There are many who have skipped a couple of veils on the way in, and are thus wholly missing the point with their spiritual illumination. They remain wholly in the dark.
I seriously have to disagree with this Bongo
In any event one of the fundamental flaws in the movement is that it is not an organised movement. Until a strong leadership is installed, I don't see the '9/11 movement' gaining it's ultimate objective of a further investigation. That is just reality
It is an organised movement. Loosely, clumsily, hippyesquely even, perhaps. It just needs people to keep up to things , to respond and to participate in events. And to keep their minds open, and the introduction of a bit more decentralised structure for ensuring common comunication channels are kept open.
Strong leadership? The strongest and charismatic people out front in this movement rightly show no wish to be 'installed'. What's that? at the top of some pyramidal structure?
The leadership qualities exhibited by some at present are quite rightly ad hoc and low level. Get behind another veil or two, Bongo. This is all about creating a new love filled and fuelled structure within the shell of the old and disintegrating behemoth
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sorry - repeat transmission.
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dh,
Regarding...
It is an organised movement. Loosely, clumsily, hippyesquely even,
My point exactly... The Neo-cons, with their control over the Law (ie. removing our freedoms), their total and 'very organised' control over the mainstream media and their control over the population through fiscal measures, must really be shaking in their boots at some "loose and clumsily" organised movement?

It is one thing to continue promotion of these things (I call it the status quo)... it is completely another to take it to the next level and actually push politically for the truth.

For example... the Neo-cons stepped over the mark in Iraq... by hiring militia into the Iraqi police force as was seen on 'Dispatches' on channel 4 this evening and this clumsiness perpetuated the slide to civil war...
http://www.channel4.com/news/dispatches ... nding.html
... they became careless. Iraq is now in full blown Civil War, and only now that the American people were realising this they have voted against Bush in the mid-terms. (Not that the Democrats seem to be doing much so far mind?). So what hope have we, when the Democrats only just managed a slim victory (1 seat) with all the political clout that they have. What we are talking about here is converting more than half of all Republicans and democrats to call for a new investigation... I just don't see it in the current climate.

Until the 9/11 truth movement builds some realistic political clout and finds strong leadership, I would not hold your breath for a new investigation, and the longer things go on, I can only see this becoming more unlikely.
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So what's your plan then Bongo ?
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Just as far as the antiwar movement goes, I would suggest the 9/11 banner, which needs some revision, struggles its way to front of the stage, that a 9/11 succinct truth speaker is found that goes for it, that a discussion demanding a platform is engaged with STW. Otherwise a barracking of the stage on the day, until such a platform is achieved
The next STW event is in February and I think there is no way we can any longer be denied a platform
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Dont you see the value of getting people to promote a UNIFIED 911 story? One that cuts out the left-field stuff? (The left-field stuff can continue to be researched and discussed on forums etc, but not in front of lackeys of Rupert Murdoch). I mean, the core story is quite outre enough.

How do you expect the person in the street to accept we have a clear-cut case of criminal investigation leading to a conviction if we wrap the issue in witchcraft & sorcery? I mean, who needs Zechariah Sitchin to explain that 911 was a stunt?

(Z S is pretty suspect IMO - and I say that despite having internet comrades that swear5 by him. I guess its the scientific reductionist in me...)

If there is something to, for example, the aetheric theory of gravitational propagation, then it can be treated as a separate issue.

911 truth must get political.
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So what's your plan then Bongo ?
What do you want me to say to that Mark?

.... I am the Massiah, follow me to the truth and victory. :lol:

Nah dude... I don't have the charisma... nor probably the balls for it.

I think dh and Rodin both make good points. Despite the fact that there are obviously possitive things happening all the time... For example, I point to the latest 'full page' article in some Liverpudlian newspaper on 'loose change' ...brilliant though this was, it doesn't disguise the fact that the overall public hunger for 9/11 truth is actually waining quite badly at the moment.

I really wish that we had some Che Guevara or Malcolm X character heading up the movement. It's funny when we call them 'Sheeple', when in actual fact... in order to achieve the sought after goals... we must strive to be like sheep too. :shock:
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dh... you were doing so well before retorting back to Ian Crane...

Here is a poem penned by Gina (Age 10) that you should learn from...
Everything in life is a circle.
What goes around, comes around.
Circles can abuse.
Circles can kill.
Circles can trap you against your will.

Everything in life is a circle.
No beginning and end, just a continuum.
Circles can threaten.
Circles can fear.
Circles can ruin your every year.

Everything in life is a circle.
A boundary which no one can cross.
Circles can tie.
Circles can bind.
Circles can trap you in the memories of your mind.

Everything in life is a circle.
A corral for their every whim.
Circles can hold.
Circles can contain.
Circles are all that is left to remain.

Everything in life is a circle.
A pentagram painted on the ground.
Circles can rape.
Circles can hide.
Circles can take you for a long painful ride.

I am afraid of the circle.
A feeling I just can't express.
I feel locked up inside,
with no place to hide,
And the memories only progress.

Gina, age 10
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Thanks for the pohm Bongo
Sadly I don't do 'em
Even from 10 yr olds
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That is a spectacularly bad poem.
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That is a spectacularly bad poem.
You really think so? I think it's truly excellent for a 10 year old to come up with.
There's no way I would have come up with something like that at that age.
And it's better than any Kylie lyrics I've heard by miles.
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And considering the issue
Of this childs composition
I think any attempt
made by myself
To equal the style, format and rhythm
Would be met by this forum
With widespread derision
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Ian Crane in Bradford

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Ian R. Crane - Bradford - 23rd January 2007:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 2&hl=en-GB

Thanks to Narinder for posting this video of Ian Crane's talk. In a recent Email Ian told me he thought Bradford was one of his better presentations. The first 50 minutes contains little, if anything, that will be new to the majority of participants on this forum. The last 40 minutes or so focuses on 7/7 and might be of interest to anyone not familiar with the the anomolies between the evidence & the official account.

Feel free to pick holes in Ian's presentation, I know he is happy to receive constructive criticism.

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Personally, looking back at that poem, I can hardly believe that a 10 year old can use the word 'continuum' appropriately. What is this an Indigo you're claiming?
Sorry I dont believe an effing word of it
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Post by Uma »

I don't believe an effing word, either.

I think it's a nonsense poem.

And it's no more " Gina, Age 10" than it is Keats or Yeates.

It was writtren by someone considerably older than Gina with an IQ less than half.



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It's a man's life in MOSSAD
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I just Googled "Gina age 10"


http://www.google.co.nz/search?sourceid ... ina+age+10


See....?


She doesn't exist.
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