BBC2 9/11 Conspiracy files - pre-transmission

[Jerry]

Just looking through the Times tv mag and found the following comments for Sundays documentary 9/11 The Conspiracy Files.

There are at least 50 conspiracy theories about 9/11. If a large passenger plane crashed into the pentagon, why was the hole in the exterior wall so small? Why was wreckage allegedly found miles from the crash site of united 93? Did Mossad warn 5000 Jewish workers in New York of an impending attack?

This calm and balanced programme examines each of the main theories in detail and DEBUNKS THEM UTTERLY. So why do conspiracy theorists persist? THEY'RE JUST FLAWED PEOPLE, says Allyn Kilsheimer, a structural engineer at the pentagon, WHO HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO DREAM ABOUT TO MAKE A NAME FOR THEMSELVES. AND ITS ABSOLUTLEY NOT TRUE.

Its official my weekend is ruined, I knew I was hoping for too much.

[Mark Gobell]

As an Hors Dourve before Sunday's false flag mind control TV broadcast journalism featuring the BBC main course of unhealthy propaganda mind food, try this Google video of Webster Tarpley: Synthetic Terror 9/11 - Made in the USA. A presentation of the means, opportunity, motive and method behind false flag terrorism.

[DrJazzz]

Hello,

re: "The Conspiracy Files" - 9/11 episode

I am informed that you have two edits of this episode which may be screened, one of which is a 'hatchet job' designed to discredit the survivors, bereaved families, and scientists who don't think we've been told the truth about the events that day.

As you may now William Rodriguez (the last man out of the towers alive, and hero who saved countless lives that day) is currently on a UK speaking tour denounding the official cover up, and also the 'Jersey Girls' (the four widows whose political pressure forced the 9/11 Commission) have released a documentary entitled 'Press for Truth'. Like many of the rest of us they're deeply unhappy with the official story.

These people are no 'lunatic fringe'. While years ago one could be forgiven for thinking that doubts over 9/11 were the preserve of such a minority, this is certainly not the case now, and as a license payer I am incensed that you are even considering a 'hit piece' on this.

I urge you to screen the balanced documentary.

[DrJazzz]

oh was this all a false alarm?


I have to say I always expected 'The Conspiracy Files' to be a 'hatchet job' - the clue is the title and font, which is clearly trying to suggest that all the subjects belong in 'X-Files' territory.

Who cares, we do it without the BBC.

[GazeboflossUK]

Looks like we'll all be busy next week then. If this BBC programme is going to be as we all assume then complaints should fall on the BBC like acid rain.

Any chance of a Sticky thread from Sunday night onwards that has all the available addresses to which we can all send our grievances? (BBC, OFCOM and Anywhere else)

[QuitTheirClogs]

Is anyone drafting up a charge sheet?

My thinking is that the charge sheet should have one headline charge with about five subsidiary charges. The subsidiary charges can then be supported with a long list of detailed failings.

The headline charge could be along the lines:

- a disgrace to the tradition set by a long history of BBC journalists

The subsidiary charges:

1) Trivialisation – focussing on the people rather than the issues

2) Failure to report – referring to known facts, lies, cover-ups and unanswered questions

3) Failure to investigate - ditto

4) Bias – presenting a conclusion when having failed to investigate

[Mark Gobell]

BBC Complaints

BBC Editorial Guidelines

BBC Editorial Guidelines in Full and A to Z index

OFCOM TV Broadcast page

OFCOM Broadcasting Code of Practice

[marndin]

Excellent Idea!

Martin

[TonyGosling]

BBC5.tv - antidote to the ministry of truth

Thanks Field Marshall Gobell.

Yes, what we will probably need tomorrow night is to watch some real investigative journalism and by this sacred act remind ourselves that the BBC friends of AIPAC are part of the psyop arm of the NeoCon war machine - doing their best to dumb us all down at our own expense. Reaping the foul harvest sown by DG John Birt.

Here are some perspectives from outside the BBC mind cage. Our own BBC5 schedule - that these mind cops never allow us to see - or else we might start thinking outside their accursed box.

Here's my alternative shedule. I guarantee you'll find something refreshing and new amongst this lot.


*Webster Tarpley: The Key to Stopping World War III*
(this is what those recently privatised BBC/Siemens towers were built to transmit)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2467388648

Bush, Kerry Skull & Bones - Secret Society Documentary (Anthony Sutton, some Dutch)
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 0458962241

The Anti-Christ and a Cup of Tea - Tim Cohen
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 1340375347

Princess Diana - the tapes the BBC won't broadcast
http://video.google.co.uk/url?docid=-80 ... 3073857908

The Iron Triangle - The Carlyle Group Exposed
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 6220336237

Operation Gladio - 2 - The Puppeteers.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 0848760784

Ian McCormack: A glimpse of Eternity - dead for 15 minutes.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6783766146

9/11 Press for Truth"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9414136481

Oil, smoke and mirrors
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 9548020370

Alan Hart - Zionism, the Real Enemy of the Jews.
http://video.google.com/url?docid=-3654542541904473264

911 Truth Movement: William Rodriguez
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEYRtIYq8KQ

Banking with Hitler - part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3Dh5dGVx8E

Aaron Russo, Fighting Cancer and the New World Order.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0426590918

Who Controls The World? Illuminati, Jesuits, Bilderberg, Skull, Religion
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 0990840079

The Occult History of the Third Reich
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 7309209211

Michael Meacher and Andreas Von Bülow express their serious doubts about 9/11
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1914055825

Mind Control: America's Secret War
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 5773056069

Harold Pinter's Nobel lecture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY2Z27Y-HJE


To save any Google or YouTube video to your hard drive simply copy and paste the url in here - http://www.savevid.com/

[Banish]

The BBC constantly insult their viewing public's intelligence, it's time to call for a public boycott of all things BBC. Dont link to their website, don't quote them. They are thriving on this, can't you see? They are playing you off on your own weakneses. You still rely on them after all! Deny them the oxygen for their lies.

Don't pay your licence fee, allow yourself to go to court, then drop it on the judge that it's in protest over the 9/11 cover up. The court would be cleared quicker than the proverbial snot!

http://www.youtube.com/v/YR3HByiEf0Y

Watch the presenters! The dont look at the camera, one fidgets the other pretends to be engrossed in another matter on her laptop. Classic signs of discomfort and lying. The can't sell the lie with authority, witnesses are spoiling the show for them. They also tell wittneses "it's too early to speculate"...

What else aren't they telling you? One pyosp after the ohter to keep you all confused! Serial killers and bird flu and cop killers and muslimists and criminals this and that, you are being fed fear day in day out by the BBC!

[rodin]

Watch the presenters! The dont look at the camera, one fidgets the other pretends to be engrossed in another matter on her laptop. Classic signs of discomfort and lying.

Good observation

I have noticed the same thing (not visually of course) on BBC radio - especially 5-live. Either I am much more aware or it has got much worse since the Kelly's Bulls Eye.

BTW I suggested we record BBC911 and remix it. Nothing like throwing the grenades back with interest...

When we post it on U-Tube etc we must include Tony's link repeated below...

[rodin]

To save any Google or YouTube video to your hard drive simply copy and paste the url in here - http://www.savevid.com/

Thanks Tony.

[Fallious]

I'm going to try capturing this, though my card tends to crash when recording for to long so PLEASE someone else do it too.

If folks are interested in proper organization for this effort then I offer a wiki for arranging points etc and PHPCollab software to set out tasks.

[Patrick Brown]

So what does propaganda mean again?

[kbo234]

An Antidote to the Ministry of Truth

Thanks Field Marshall Gobell.

Yes, what we will probably need tomorrow night is to watch some real investigative journalism and by this sacred act remind ourselves that the BBC friends of AIPAC are part of the psyop arm of the NeoCon war machine - doing their best to dumb us all down at our own expense. Reaping the foul harvest sown by DG John Birt.

Here are some perspectives from outside the BBC mind cage. Our own BBC5 schedule - that these mind cops never allow us to see - or else we might start thinking outside their accursed box.

Here's an alternative shedule. I guarantee you'll find something refreshing and new amongst this lot.


*Webster Tarpley: The Key to Stopping World War III*
(this is what those recently privatised BBC/Siemens towers were built to transmit)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2467388648

The Anti-Christ and a Cup of Tea - Tim Cohen
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 1340375347

Princess Diana - the tapes the BBC won't broadcast
http://video.google.co.uk/url?docid=-80 ... 3073857908

The Iron Triangle - The Carlyle Group Exposed
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 6220336237

Operation Gladio - 2 - The Puppeteers.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 0848760784

Ian McCormack: A glimpse of Eternity - dead for 15 minutes.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6783766146

Alan Hart - Zionism, the Real Enemy of the Jews.
http://video.google.com/url?docid=-3654542541904473264

911 Truth Movement: William Rodriguez
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEYRtIYq8KQ

Banking with Hitler - part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3Dh5dGVx8E

Aaron Russo, Fighting Cancer and the New World Order.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0426590918

Who Controls The World? Illuminati, Jesuits, Bilderberg, Skull, Religion
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 0990840079

The Occult History of the Third Reich
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 7309209211

Michael Meacher and Andreas Von Bülow express their serious doubts about 9/11
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1914055825

Mind Control: America's Secret War
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 5773056069

Harold Pinter's Nobel lecture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY2Z27Y-HJE


To save any Google or YouTube video to your hard drive simply copy and paste the url in here - http://www.savevid.com/

Thanks very much for all that Tony.

[Mr-Bridger]

I will record this onto dvd , so i anyone misses it or would like a copy drop me a PM

[ianrcrane]

Email sent to Messrs. Rudin & Smith:

Dear Guy & Mike,

Re: BBC Integrity

Thank you for your Email regarding the allegation that there are two version of your documentary 9:11 The Conspiracy Files.

If the BBC transmit a fair and equitable 9/11 documentary, showing the available unadulterated footage from that fateful day, giving equal opportunity to both the defenders of the OCT and genuine representatives of the 9/11 Truth Community, to express their views/concerns, I will be amongst the first to congratulate you both and will readily offer my apologies for having called your integrity into question.

Alternatively, if the documentary employs the standard psyop' propaganda template, we will seek to establish whether any external pressure was brought to bear on either the producers or the management of the BBC.

We will be scrutinising the 9/11 Documentary for any combination of the following:
- Failure to properly discuss pre 9/11 PNAC Reports and PNAC participants
- Failure to include balanced witness testimony; particularly that of the Emergency Services.
- Failure to address the Free Fall collapse of WTC1 & 2.
- Failure to address the collapse of WTC 7 at 5.20pm.
- Failure to address the single entry hole of an alleged twin-engine jet at the Pentagon.
- Failure to report the testimony of Air Traffic Control personnel who were monitoring the approach of what was alleged to be Flight 77
- Failure to address the deaths & disabilities due to the environmental aftermath.
- Failure to address blatant omissions & distortions within the 9/11 Commission Report.
- Failure to acknowledge the rapid growth of the international 9/11 Truth Community.
- Defenders of the OCT resorting to ad hominem attacks on members of the Truth Community.
- Failure to mention 'Scholars For Truth' and/or David Ray Griffin's pivotal publication 'The New Pearl Harbour'.
- Any attempt to dismiss members of the 9/11 Truth Community as psychologically flawed.

This list is by no means exhaustive but I’m sure you catch my drift!

Yours sincerely,


Ian R. Crane
Chair – 9/11 Truth Campaign (UK & Ireland)

[Mark Gobell]

Just looking through the Times tv mag and found the following comments for Sundays documentary 9/11 The Conspiracy Files.

There are at least 50 conspiracy theories about 9/11. If a large passenger plane crashed into the pentagon, why was the hole in the exterior wall so small? Why was wreckage allegedly found miles from the crash site of united 93? Did Mossad warn 5000 Jewish workers in New York of an impending attack?

This calm and balanced programme examines each of the main theories in detail and DEBUNKS THEM UTTERLY. So why do conspiracy theorists persist? THEY'RE JUST FLAWED PEOPLE, says Allyn Kilsheimer, a structural engineer at the pentagon, WHO HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO DREAM ABOUT TO MAKE A NAME FOR THEMSELVES. AND ITS ABSOLUTLEY NOT TRUE.

Its official my weekend is ruined, I knew I was hoping for too much.

This Allyn Kilsheimer is the chap who says he found the black box at the Pentagon who is variously described as a Structural Engineer, a Blast Expert and now, evidently, a psychology expert too.

Quite a key figure it would seem, especially as his company, KCE Structural was selected to head up the 740 million dollar Phoenix Project to rebuild the damaged wedges of the Pentagon.

This quote from the very popular and trustworthy Popular Mechanics.

Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

LOL: I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building.

How funny is that !

So, should we trust what Allyn E Kilsheimer tells us ?

Here's a clue from an MSNBC report about the black boxes:

Early Friday morning, shortly before 4 a.m., Burkhammer and another firefighter, Brian Moravitz, were combing through debris near the impact site. Peering at the wreckage with their helmet lights, the two spotted an intact seat from the plane’s cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long. They’d been told the plane’s “black boxes” would in fact be bright orange, but these were charred black. The boxes had handles on one end and one was torn open. They cordoned off the area and called for an FBI agent, who in turn called for someone from the National Transportation Safety Board who confirmed the find: the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 77. “We wanted to find live victims,” says Burkhammer. But this was a consolation prize. “Finding the black box gave us a little boost,” he says.

Debunking Allyn E Kilsheimer

Alternatively, Allyn E Kilsheimer the hero, wearing his inside, out.

Allyn E Kilsheimer, the Structural Engineer cum explosives expert of choice for terrorism events, here commenting on the Washington Monument bomb scare in Time Magazine.

"If you put 4,000 pounds of TNT up against the Monument, like Timothy McVeigh did in Oklahoma City, would it take it down?" says Allyn Kilsheimer, a structural engineer and blast expert who helped rebuild the Pentagon after 9/11. "No, I don't think so."

Allyn E Kilsheimer was at OKC too.

With a client list that includes the Department of Defense, the FBI, and the Secret Service, it’s no wonder he was called on Sept. 11

And, naturally, at WTC93 too:

According to an article in the Sacramento Bee, Pentagon officials contacted the veteran engineer because of his reputation for analyzing structural failures worldwide, including those caused by the bombings of the federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995 and at the World Trade Center in 1993. The morning of the Sept. 11 attack, he was at the Pentagon, surveying the damage.

BBC = * Broadcasting Corporation.

[truthmonger]

Hi - maybe someone already started a thread on this, but I didn't see it.

Most will know that BBC 2 is screening another in its series of 'Conspiracy Files' at 9pm this evening. I suggest everyone gets ready to file an official complaint (very easy, from the BBC website)

I've just had a look at a '9/11 Timeline' the BBC has posted on its website. Major distortions and omissions. PLEASE MAKE OFFICIAL COMPLAINTS!
This is what I have just submitted:

Your 'conspiracy' timeline is inaccurate in important respects, especially by omission (i.e. highly selective use of relevant information). It incorrectly states that the FEMA report on the collapse of WTC 7 attributes the collapse to weakening of the trusses due to prolonged fire. In fact, the FEMA report states: "The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence." In the timeline, an incorrect time is given for the collapse of WTC 7 (0720 - in fact it was around 17.20). You state that 'conspiracy theories' "suggest that it was destroyed deliberately...". The admission by Larry Silverstein that the building had been "pulled" i.e. demolished (not mentioned by you) is not theory, but recorded fact. No mention is made of your own report of 23 Sept. 2001 that at least 4 of the supposed 'hijackers' had been found "alive and well". In the absence of any concrete evidence that the planes were hijacked and/or that any Arabs were on board, the use of the term 'hijackers' is inappropriate and misleading. You do not mention the preposterous official claim that two large aircraft 'vaporized' on 9/11 (the explanation for the complete absence of any of the expected plane crash wreckage at either the Pentagon or Shanksville) but that most of the victims were identified by their DNA (destroyed at 100 degrees C). It is therefore inaccurate and misleading to state that "American Airlines flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon" and "United Airlines flight 93 crashes in open ground". These claims are (unsubstantiated) parts of the official conspiracy theory, not substantiated facts. Overall, then, despite the welcome presence of important links to 911 Truth websites, the clear impression is that the BBC is defending the official story. That is not the function of the BBC. It is to robustly investigate the facts wherever they might lead. It is utterly incorrect to state, as you do, that the 911 Commission Report "provides the public with the most comprehensive account of what happened on that day". Given the overwhelming evidence now available (cf. for example, David Ray Griffin's "The 911 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions") your statement can only be construed as deliberately misleading - in effect, part of the cover-up.

Paul[/b]

[truthmonger]

Forgot to mention that the BBC Trust currently has an online questionnaire basically asking people how satisfied they are with the BBC's performance.

It's an opportunity to tackle the Beeb on its failure to provide accurate, impartial and robust news reporting.

The URL for the questionnaire is: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/consult/o ... emits.html

Paul

[rodin]

I will review the program again, but I don't think the BBC chose to look at any of the items on my 911 shortlist of hard evidence.

Promising.



Maybe a companion video showing the evidence conspicuous by its absence in BBC911?

The Ommissions of Auntie

3 observations.

BBC1 made no mention of the 911 program @ 9pm, though it did flag up a BBC4 program.

Top Gear (immediately before) featuring - a Porsche 911. And a reliant rocket launched into - well not quite space. Came straight down @ free fall speed - tell U what - there was more debris on the ground from the Robin than from Shanksville...

97 user online. 123 highest ever. Might top that tonight...

[paul wright]

I will review the program again, but I don't think the BBC chose to look at any of the items on my 911 shortlist of hard evidence.

Promising.

No, crimes of ommission almost certainly and this will be dissected in the minutest detail over the next 24 hours.
I don't think we should be too worried that the programme was inevitably biased, not least by the authoritative voice -over, towards the official lies. It will at least have set a substantial proportion of people off examining some of the leads it gave.
It is obviously clear from the increasingly widespread material in the MSM, after years of cover-up of the Truth movement, that the truth about 9/11 is going to come out, and this is part of their stage management of that eventuality.
I think it was indicated by the failure of WMD to be planted in Iraq, in fact the wiping clean of the country of the slightest reference to WMD, that the case against the Bush and Blair cabal eventually was to be revealed
This is part of that process, and there is no doubt that those fronting criminals will be languishing in jail in the not too distant future

[truthmonger]

If there ever were two versions it's pretty clear which one they chose.

Can everyone who saw the programme list all the pieces of deliberate disinformation and the major omissions?

Here's just a few of the top of my head:

- only ONE war game exercise claimed (latest count around 20?)
- claim that WTC 7 was 'smashed' by falling debris and the fire a "raging inferno"; no mention of Silverstein or freefall speed of collapse.
- no mention of put options/confiscated CCTV film from gas station and Sheraton/wrong date on photoshopped car park CCTV/fireball inconsistent with unburnt stool and paper/windows undamaged either side of 16' hole (not 18'-20').
- no mention of freefall collapse of twin towers
- absurd 'Popular Mechanics' explanation of 'compressed air' from the 'pancake' causing the havy debris to be hurled out 600'
- no mention of Willie Rodriguez' evidence of basement explosions
- classic diversionary tactic of alleging anti-semitism (a speciality of the BBC)
- Shanksville: odd claim that the plane and the passengers are still buried (why has the hole not been excavated?).

There's obviously much more ..

Can this all be collated and presented as a formal complaint to the BBC (and to the Truth questionnaire) - from as many people as possible?

Paul

[Mark Gobell]

If there ever were two versions it's pretty clear which one they chose.

Can everyone who saw the programme list all the pieces of deliberate disinformation and the major omissions?

Here's just a few of the top of my head:

- only ONE war game exercise claimed (latest count around 20?)
- claim that WTC 7 was 'smashed' by falling debris and the fire a "raging inferno"; no mention of Silverstein or freefall speed of collapse.
- no mention of put options/confiscated CCTV film from gas station and Sheraton/wrong date on photoshopped car park CCTV/fireball inconsistent with unburnt stool and paper/windows undamaged either side of 16' hole (not 18'-20').
- no mention of freefall collapse of twin towers
- absurd 'Popular Mechanics' explanation of 'compressed air' from the 'pancake' causing the havy debris to be hurled out 600'
- no mention of Willie Rodriguez' evidence of basement explosions
- classic diversionary tactic of alleging anti-semitism (a speciality of the BBC)
- Shanksville: odd claim that the plane and the passengers are still buried (why has the hole not been excavated?).

There's obviously much more ..

Can this all be collated and presented as a formal complaint to the BBC (and to the Truth questionnaire) - from as many people as possible?

Paul

Good start truth.

We have time on our side and recordings. Let's decide to be patient and co-ordinated.

This TV programme is just that.

We have the technology.

We have the people too.

And from the people.

Come the power.

From this power.

Comes the change.