Shayler Talks 911 on Sky News

[Patrick Brown]

Bye

What a twat!

[rodin]

ZION? Hey did I touch a nerve there?

You are looking more & more like a shill. Short oneline insults lacking in soul are a hallmark. I have seen a few off in the past few weeks and am getting rather good at it. Shall we start with mentioning the 5 Dancing MOSSAD Israelis who admitted on Israel TV that they were there to 'document' the event?

May I direct viewers to the following sites that are trying to expose this corruption. I ask that you try to resist your Pavlovian response which is to feel a rush of distaste and guilt at even viewing what you are about to see. I ask that you TEST THE INFORMATION presented here for probablity of veracity. And I invite you to show me where articles are presenting falsehoods. I do not want to be duped.

www.judicial.inc.biz
www.iamthewitness.com

BELIEF IS THE ENEMY OF TRUTH

[rodin]

Gives you away. Kubrick was an insider, one of the clever tribe. Helped his friends who got blood brother masons to pretend they'd gone to the moon. His widow even made a BORAT style reverse psychology film about it with a cast that included Kissinger and Rumsfeld. A must see for those who want to get the creeps. Film is called 'Dark Side of the Moon. Google for it. You will be rewarded.

[poiuytr]

Eustace mullins clearly pointed out in an interview some time ago that every single person appearing on television is controlled in some manner,as the corporations would never run the risk of giving them free air time to tell the real truth.This includes 911 reserchers as well as politicians,actors,academics,presentators,reporters,etc....

While i believe Jim Fetzer ,David Ray Griffin,Steven Jones and Kevin Barett are notable exceptions to this rule,i am forced now to include David Shayler,and the person defending him on this forum,Annie (machon ???).

Unless these two persons come up with a sound scientific explanation for the NPT,they join other notable desinfo artists as Jimmy Walter,Jim Hoffman ,Alex Jones as people who seemingly were made an offer they couldn't refuse.

[Andrew Johnson]

Unless these two persons come up with a sound scientific explanation for the NPT,they join other notable desinfo artists as Jimmy Walter,Jim Hoffman ,Alex Jones as people who seemingly were made an offer they couldn't refuse.

Ah I see - guilty until proven innocent, ay? Never mind all that anomalous evidence - similar to the anomalous evidence which led us to discover CD of the WTC, I'd say....

David said on Sky "slow down the footage and look at it again" or words to that effect. Dangerous talk, ay?

Unless you come up with evidence to back up your statements, then from another new anonymous poster with an incomprehensible name, I'll be sticking with David, Annie and Jimmy, whom I have either met or heard speaking in person.

[Annie]

While i believe Jim Fetzer ,David Ray Griffin,Steven Jones and Kevin Barett are notable exceptions to this rule,i am forced now to include David Shayler,and the person defending him on this forum,Annie (machon ???).

Unless these two persons come up with a sound scientific explanation for the NPT,they join other notable desinfo artists as Jimmy Walter,Jim Hoffman ,Alex Jones as people who seemingly were made an offer they couldn't refuse.

If you have read the entire thread, you will have seen that I am not defending Shayler' allusion to the NPT. In fact I think it is a mistake to even hint at controversial research in public. We should stick to the basics, get people to open their minds to the fact the the official version is a lie, and let them do their own research.

However, he did a great job overall. Noone else has yet had that amount of airtime on the MSM in the UK to point out such a wide range of problems with the official CT.

And for you newbies on the forum, I'm neither David's wife nor his partner. We separated a while back. I'm justing sticking up for someone who did his best on a live, unpremeditated primetime TV show. And did a good job IMO.

Regards

Annie

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

Eustace mullins clearly pointed out in an interview some time ago that every single person appearing on television is controlled in some manner,as the corporations would never run the risk of giving them free air time to tell the real truth.This includes 911 reserchers as well as politicians,actors,academics,presentators,reporters,etc....

While i believe Jim Fetzer ,David Ray Griffin,Steven Jones and Kevin Barett are notable exceptions to this rule,i am forced now to include David Shayler,and the person defending him on this forum,Annie (machon ???).

Unless these two persons come up with a sound scientific explanation for the NPT,they join other notable desinfo artists as Jimmy Walter,Jim Hoffman ,Alex Jones as people who seemingly were made an offer they couldn't refuse.

Hello Poiuytr

You imply that the persons named above were made an offer they could not refuse.

Well Jimmy Walter is a millionaire - what did they offer him

Please offer an explanation or retract your statement

[iro]

Do you think the '911 truthseekers' are all that they seem?

No. But I'm also a little tired of the Adopt-A-Lexicon terms from people who constantly drop terms like shill, disinfo agent, CoINtelPro etc. If you asked people the history of the cointelpro strategy - only a few of them would know.

Currently in this scene you only need to mention the wrong idea or support a currently uncred source and you too are a "shill".

It's all got a bit shilly - and I'm off.

well said

[Zabooka]

....someone who did his best on a live, unpremeditated primetime TV show. And did a good job IMO.

INDEED!!! Can people agree to this and realise that this is the main point of the thread and that... Plane or No Plane! David did amazing in consideration with the fact that it was short notice, was live and unpremeditated PRIMETIME TV!

He did cover all the big things! He did get a VAST amount of praise if anyone noticed! None of the, some of our viewers have called in, or emailed/texted in, to say "WHAT A NUT JOB! HOLOGRAMS MAKE HOLES!?!"

DAVID DID EXCELLENT!!! I HAVE NO WORRY IN TELLING OTHERS ABOUT THIS!!!

Plus... what he had to say about the reasons for NPT was quite intriguing. Especially for an ex-Mi5 agent who worked on the Lockerbie Case. He did also carry himself well and it was recieved considerably well!!!

I believe David did more GREAT GOOD for the movement, than bad. Who else would have been able to have done a better job? You can all keep getting frustrated about Planes and No Planes... but let us not forget, that overall, the majority of it... was FANTASTIC!!!

[poiuytr]

All David needs to do is explain how holograms could be picked up by all live cameras ,including the Naudet footage of the first plane hit,as well as jetliner noises going with it.

I have watched a great deal of videos and listened to the majority of 911 researchers and i didn't pick up any strong evidence relating to NPT that would justify a strong live support by David.

Some people have suggested small nukes were used to demolish the towers;they put forth many physical details (pulverised concrete dust,radioactivity,heat spots,...)that would support such theory,and i am thus certainly open to it.

Again,what are the scientific facts behind the NPT and how much known evidence does this theory take in to account ?

When you get the chance to speak in front of large audiences,you need to state the strong points of your case,not the weak ones who don't have any ground to stand on.If David wanted to be complete there were many more details ,as another poster said,that he could have put forth.He chose instead to debate a wild theory.Twice.

I fail to see,Annie,how it qualifies as a good job.It qualifies more as a strawman attempt,unless he can ,hopefully,convince us with facts.

[poiuytr]

Hello Poiuytr

You imply that the persons named above were made an offer they could not refuse.

Well Jimmy Walter is a millionaire - what did they offer him

Please offer an explanation or retract your statement

They probably made the point that he would risk his life and the life of his loved ones.There are many,many ways to kill somebody without attracting publicity.
Walter has to be,in my view,applauded for his promotion of Eric Hufshmid;he helped to spread the word,but the powers that be have caught on with him,and he's been obliged to "quiet down".

[paul wright]

However, he did a great job overall. Noone else has yet had that amount of airtime on the MSM in the UK to point out such a wide range of problems with the official CT.

And for you newbies on the forum, I'm neither David's wife nor his partner. We separated a while back. I'm justing sticking up for someone who did his best on a live, unpremeditated primetime TV show. And did a good job IMO.

Regards

Annie

Yeah, it's hard to think of you as not a unit. Still these things happen, and your defence has been sterling. This board is starting to look like a bunch of obsessives and navel scrutinizers. I can perfectly well understand the way things 'pop out' when you have to take hold of and analyse such a wide and longterm morass of deception. It's perfectly acceptable to want to express something real at certain points without every ramrod backed tightassed newly coverted zealot jumping on you and poring over every word you utter
Life of Brian, folks, I remind you, or if you've got the time, Reich's The Murder of Christ. Show's you how in time little men with open hearts and expression can be puffed up into big heroes and then downed and crucified on the minutiae of their shortcomings, via the lack of ownership and empowerment of the mass of people superimposing their lack on to the perceived prophet

[marky 54]

some people here think jones,shayler and others are controlled in some way. although i disagree with npt and putting it out there as a main talking point i disagree about peoples comments here about them. if it wasnt for people like jones,shayler ect i would'nt be aware of half the stuff thats happening now or false flag operations. why would they expose things then try to tred them down on purpose? it dosnt make sense.

[rodin]

Was David really saying on TV that he thought no plane hit the WTC? I cannot see how to take it any other way. Talk about shooting the movement in the foot! Might as well claim WTC was done by Mr Blobby with a space laser. Actually, that's more credible. But wrong. And here's why...

http://www.halturnershow.com/RadiationH ... InNYC.html

You and he are both ex intelligence. Like Livitenwahsit the polonium man. No one knows whether he was still working for Putin or not. And, personable as you both are, we dont know if you are still working for MI whatsit either.

We want to sincerely thank you both for having the courage to speak up aganst at least some of what is going on. But only if you are not a 'limited hangout'. The enemy of the free world would rather we idolised the Alex Jones types than those loose cannons who point the finger directly at them. It is their chosen 'truth movement' leaders who would lead us into the arms of the enemy, not Bush. Bush would be too obvious.

I will retain an open mind on this matter. But if you do see David, please, no more holographic planes. (I would advise him to make a statement about that lest he is misunderstood). What you see on the video is a plane hitting, not a steel wall, but a steel grid, mostly thin panels of glass and aluminium with steel menbers in between. The plane went through, as I have said, like a tattie through a tennis racket and came into the interior as chips.

Behind 911 and FIAT and debt and drugs and porno and (ad nauseum) we always find the same crime syndicate. They also control the press in all forms except the internet, where they are still very active. This is the biggest, most weaponised crime syndicate ever seen on Earth. They read every word we write, and they have files on everyone. They are worse than the pioneers who colonised America. The Founding Fathers. And those guys gave the locals smallpox blankets.

Better start figuring out - with all that nanotech cloning stem cells and BT's Soulcatcher coming online in mebbe 20 years, their life span is gonna be HUGE.

Who's gonna make way for that?

enough rant

Goodnight from the Shire.

[physicist]

I bet you find a lot if you search Google News for Shayler and Sky:

http://news.google.co.uk/news?hl=en&ned ... hayler+sky

[paul wright]

I bet you find a lot if you search Google News for Shayler and Sky:

http://news.google.co.uk/news?hl=en&ned ... hayler+sky

Did not match any documents
Well that's good
Suggests a mutual tie-in Im sure

[rodin]

I have just found the site http://reopen911.org/compgraph.htm linked from another thread (I am still finding my way around).

Now I was assuming that David was following a line peddled by the late great but sometimes OTT Sherman Skolnick who early on claimed holograms. However... looking @ the stills etc a case can be made for image injection. However, there are serious problems with this idea

1) There were very likely amateur cameras recording the event as it was already underway

2) Why bother? They needed an airplane, why not use one?

The sight preceding the sound is normal. Light travels so much faster.

I think a plane did fly into WTC, but David's 'interpretation' was not quite as ludicrous as I first thought. Plus there's...

@ Physicist. Now that is interesting. Kinda blows a bit of a hole in my psyoption. Blatantly.

Google are controlled from Israel.

[commanderson]

There's a lot more evidence for planes than against planes. Why make the Op more complex than it needs to be? ...and more risky? I think its obvious it was exceedingly well planned, anyone whose done planning knows risk management is big a part of that planning.

Why fake planes? What compelling need is there for it? NPT has its foundations on quicksand and is divisive to the message and the movement.

Why is it divisive? No planes may be wrong or right. Remote piloting may be wrong or right. Suicide hijackers may be wrong or right. Why do you not think remote piloting or suicide hijackers are divisive?

because remote piloting fits just fine with peoples experiences of that day, no planes does not, and requires quite a bit more imaginatinion stretching

[Patrick Brown]

Google are controlled from Israel.

Yeah right and I'm Madam Blavatsky!

As for your ramblings about David and no planes I would like to remind you and everybody else that David never said there were no planes. The interviewer mentions no planes not David.

[Zabooka]

as said before in previous posts... people are still going on about NO PLANE THEORY, as if it dominated the Sky News Program. For me, I dont think it did.

If you look at the replies the presenter read from viewers for instance. Also, if you talk about the other guy seated next to David, he didnt talk about NPTs did he? Let me know if I am wrong, but I dont think he did at all, not specifically or directly at the very least and not for more than a few words worth.

You should be looking at how DAVID managed to skillfully hijack the programme and talk about FALSE FLAG TERRORISM in such a great fluid way, to keep the presenter and then the guy sitting next to him to talk about it. I mean, wow FANTASTIC!!! People will hopefully now atleast look up online and find good 911 Truth Sites/Materials.

Come on people, you should be happy about it and hoping for good. Prepare for the bad, but blaming is not preparing or doing anything for the bad. Praising for the good does do good, its great for overall morale!!! Which we should always keep pumping, its what makes me wake up in the morning thinking about, who am I going to meet and see today that I can talk to about this. Where am I going to be that I can stick a "911 Was An Inside Job" sticker on? etc, etc...

[chek]

Having watched the clip again I'd agree it was far better than most previous TV showings, and did cover a lot of ground, if only in TV terms.

And while I may have been hyper-sensitive to the issue, in retrospect I don't think David did bang on about NPT as much as it seemed to me at the time.

I'd give it an 8/10, mainly for having the balancing sceptic on hand attempting to cancel out rather than discuss any points of interest.

But NPT is in need of a serious thrashing out (if not a serious thrashing).
Even the main proponents on this site seem to have a number of erroneous ideas in need of proper discussion and serious investigation where necessary.

I believe it would assist in achieving some focus in the campaign (which may of course be the very reason it exists in the first place).

[TimmyG]

slow down the videos of the planes and you'll discover that in interlaced video adjecant frames can overlap.
you won't discover holograms or computer generated images... not unless you have a very over active imagination.

[Stefan]

zabooka,
I am VERY pleased at Mr Shaylers performance on Sky, it's a shame they timetabled him for the time the champtions league was on free to air TV; he would have had a lot more viewers. But I still had, and still have, issue with bringing the no planes into the public debate this soon. It's just one persons opinion, that's all. I also disagree strongly that he was coerced into revealing his views on it, I will watch it again but from what I remember he offered it up pretty freely, albeit taking the wise strategy of urging people to watch it themselves rather than allow the entire discussion to be side tracked. I also don't think that the emails display a true break down of public opinion- I'm sure a lot of people like us who this is a pet issue to wrote in with support, people who were new to the topic would probably still be falling down the rabit hole at that point, or building up staunch barriers of denial.
But it's minor criticism- I think he did a great job and should be applauded.

Since starting typing I have forgotten whoes comment this next part is responding to, I'm sure they know...

There is something I have wondered for a while about the whole "ghost plane" and the claims this is due to compression used on digital filming or something of this sort. Has anyone tried to see if something similar would happen in any other digital film?

I don't have the ability to myself, but I would be very interested if we slowed down a film of someone walking down the street or something which was filmed on a similar camera we would see them apearing to pass through trees, have parts of him disapear and reappear or anything like this.

It's very easy to parrot "it's video compression" because you've heard it somewhere, but has anyone demonstrated that this is a usual side effect of it?

[Annie]

When you get the chance to speak in front of large audiences,you need to state the strong points of your case,not the weak ones who don't have any ground to stand on.If David wanted to be complete there were many more details ,as another poster said,that he could have put forth.He chose instead to debate a wild theory.Twice.

I fail to see,Annie,how it qualifies as a good job.It qualifies more as a strawman attempt,unless he can ,hopefully,convince us with facts.

Have you actually watched the whole interview?? The way you're going on about the NPT, anyone would think that David had done nothing but talk about it. In fact, he never once uttered those dread words, just asked people to look for themselves.

David spent 30 minutes putting forward a whole array of powerful evidence, not just about 911, but also 7/7 and the Moscow bombings. This was pretty broad brush stuff, and put the whole concept of false-flag, state terrorism bang smack in the middle of prime time, mainstream news coverage.

And the emails sent to the show indicate that there are many, many people in the UK who think as we do, but who perhaps felt a bit isolated. Now they know they are not alone in thinking these things.

I would love to say "welcome to the forum". But I'm slightly troubled that you seem to have joined purely to nitpick and criticise. Let's have some positive, constructive comments from you about the 911 truth movement, or go and join Critics' Corner.

I will say a big hello to Zabooka - not for the content of the posts, but for the attitude. If we don't think positively, we might as well give up!

Regards

Annie

[chek]

zabooka,
There is something I have wondered for a while about the whole "ghost plane" and the claims this is due to compression used on digital filming or something of this sort. Has anyone tried to see if something similar would happen in any other digital film?

I don't have the ability to myself, but I would be very interested if we slowed down a film of someone walking down the street or something which was filmed on a similar camera we would see them apearing to pass through trees, have parts of him disapear and reappear or anything like this.

It's very easy to parrot "it's video compression" because you've heard it somewhere, but has anyone demonstrated that this is a usual side effect of it?

It's not really a viable experiment for most of us K - the reason being that at 500mph taped at say, 30 frames per second an object is moving
about 24ft between frames. Given an airliner approx 120ft long, it disappears inside the building within 6 frames.
That would be hard to reproduce.

[Annie]

Just seen the latest posts.

A member of this forum, Dry Kleaner, is a film maker, and believes he can show us all how interlacing works. Perhaps we could ask him to do an experiment, and we could get an expert view on this?

[Patrick Brown]

This worth a read as it's all about vid type stuff: http://gregl.net/videophile/anamorphic.htm

[TimmyG]

Just seen the latest posts.

A member of this forum, Dry Kleaner, is a film maker, and believes he can show us all how interlacing works. Perhaps we could ask him to do an experiment, and we could get an expert view on this?

good idea annie.

maybe then we can put this whole no planes thing to bed

[poiuytr]

Mike Ruppert gives plenty of wonderful evidence about the 911 plane exercises,the false war on drugs and terrorism,the corruption of the bush administration,etc.....
Then he flatly denies the Towers were brought down by explosions.

Please,Annie,explain to me how Mike Ruppert is good for the 911 cause when he refuses to take into account the dozens of reports of these explosions;how can he possibly miss the unquestionable evidence put forth by William Rodriguez ???

If one refuses to criticise his actions,then how can one critiscise the 911 report WHO REFUSED TOO TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE DEPOSITION OF MISTER RODRIGUEZ ??

I think one can safely assume CRITICISM is warranted when so called 911 researchers refuse to do their homework,claim facts who simply don't exist and then refuse to explain their actions in public or forums.

Unless of course one agrees with Mike Ruppert;is that the case,Annie ?

[Abandoned Ego]

Mike Ruppert gives plenty of wonderful evidence about the 911 plane exercises,the false war on drugs and terrorism,the corruption of the bush administration,etc.....
Then he flatly denies the Towers were brought down by explosions.

Whilst I dont agree much of Rupperts stuff on Peak Oil, or much of this hologram stuff, or much of what many people here speak as their own truth, I would have still thought that was obvious to anyone but a nincompoop why Ruppert is good for this movement.

Mike Ruppert doesnt believe the official version of 9/11. He thinks its a lie from start to finish.

So do I. So does Annie. So Does David Shayler, and so do the vast majority of posters on this board .

How about you ?