Eurosocialist & Antifascist: Who's blocking our Rights?

[Leiff]

You're not reading, you're skipping.

No, you're wrong (again) I have been reading every word but I will be skipping from now on...

[Rory Winter]

You cannot hold currently living British people responsible for the Raj etc - we were not consulted or even alive...

Again, you are coming from the place of a protesting victim, we're not to blame &c. And in doing so, you're allowing your emotions to filter what you are reading and, consequently, miss the point.

My mentioning the Raj, the British massacre after the Indian Mutiny and the Famine in Bengal (4 million deaths) was to point out the ruthlessness and racism between the old colonialist, imperialism and the way it was then fabricated by people like Kipling into the pompous hypocrisy of the White Man's Burden, and other falsehoods such as the Freeborn Englishman and Britannia Rules the Waves and can do no wrong.

These falsehoods became part of British culture, accepted as true and ingrained into British attitudes, especially towards 'Johnny Foreigner'. And they have been passed down from generation to generation. Al Murray's Happy Hour, I understand, deliberately focuses on these prejudices for a laugh. Well, I hope it's only for a laugh. And the writers of Till Death Do Us Part (Alf Garnett) certainly did with the intention on taking the piss out of the British bigot.

You may not have been alive during the Raj. At the age of sixty, I was born during the last nine months of it in Sri Lanka. But your generation has inherited the post-imperialist attitudes that were passed down from it, whether you're aware of that or not.

A lack of knowledge of history leaves one in a very vulnerable place. And that's why I allude to Britain's past. The ghosts from that past are so clearly still with us. Britain's rulers have aligned themselves with the new imperialist bully on the block, the USA, and by doing so is, at second hand, undergoing a second chapter of imperialism. This is happening in your time and while it does so the old racist attitudes are again to be seen.

Imperialism and racism are just two sides of the same coin. So it's no accident that we see them being replayed in the British Imperialist Adventure, Chapter II. The fact that this imperialism is no longer just Britain's but is that of an Anglo-Saxon Alliance is significant. It is really the sequel to British Victorian imperialism but this time fuelled by the rulers of a younger English-speaking Empire.

Until the British come out of denial and really own up to the imperialist attitudes they have inherited from their past, the same old evils will keep repeating themselves over and over again. And that is a form of madness. Elsewhere on this Forum, a Conference has been advertised where in the blurb it is observed that something is deeply wrong in Britain which it is difficult to identify.

Well, let me add my six pen'north right now. In looking at the problem I suggest a very good place is to look at Britain's post-imperial values and just where those values have come from.

As an Anglo-Asian I was fortunate in assimilating both cultures. I can see things through a British perspective as much as a South Asian one (as much as a Scottish one as well!). People of my generation were the last generation of what could be called the Empire's Children. So we have a vivid memory of both those times and its values.

So, in attempting to analyse the current epidemic of SUN and DAILY MAIL-generated Europhobia, it is natural that we should look back to see where contemporary British thinking has come from and how it was formed.

Another thing has become clear by my reading your more recent comments. Europhobia is also based very strongly on victim-consciousness. That, too, is a very dangerous tendency and precisely the one used by Adolf Hitler and which got him elected into power. Something similar could happen here so please be aware of the dangers of that particular mindset.

[Rory Winter]

No, you're wrong (again) I have been reading every word

Soo ...

How about commenting on the views of the US Heritage people regarding their concerns about the Lisbon Treaty? And the fact that British Europhobes find themselves together with such strange bed-fellows? And how the Europhobes on this Forum can claim to be against Bushco and USUK imperialism in places like Iraq and Afghanistan while aligning themselves with extreme right groups like UKIP, Heritage, Bukovsky, Klaus, The Brussels Journal etc which are all staunch defenders of Anglo-American imperialism and belligerency?

[Leiff]

undergoing a second chapter of imperialism.

What do you think that the EU is, if not a new empire?

[Rory Winter]

What do you think that the EU is, if not a new empire?

Well of course it is. What are your options, given the world we find ourselves in and the vicious USUK Alliance which so threatens the world and its people (8 Million dead thanks to the USUK in the period 1991 to Present in Iraq & Afghanistan)?

Only a United Europe in cooperation with the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (Russia, China etc) will see the ending of the USUK Alliance. Haste the day!

[Rory Winter]

The Europe Controversy

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