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A truly bizarre thread.

Well at least it becomes far clearer just how watered down the so-called 911 Truth movement has become.

We will lead every revolution against us - quoth Lilith>Amenhotep>Constantine>Weishaupt>Herzl>Rockefeller

Yet here you are applying parochial political mis-perceptions to a world leader, forced into an impossible corner, yet still having the guts to speak truth to power.

Can any one of you detractors say the same? I doubt it; I doubt it very much. I imagine you would apply the same hatchet job to Chavez, Castro, Mahathir bin Mohamad and any other leader who doesn't kowtow to your god of Israel?

Once again, the messenger comes under fire and the message goes missing in endless paper and morality shuffling!

Parochialism rooolz, okay? You are failing to put truth above belief - hence the global meltdown continues.

Pathetic.
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ian neal wrote:In 2006, 5 years after 9/11, Ahmadinejad decides the most important issue demanding an international conference is not 9/11 but the holocaust. Why?
but then
ian neal wrote:Reduction in bickering is fine with me. I've explained my suspicions about Amadinejad and my concerns about this proposed conference and happy to leave it at that. As you say the hour is late and we should probably all be concentrating our energies elsewhere.
To answer the former: Could it be due to the now glaringly obvious fact that Zionist media 'larged up' one small facet of death and destruction caused by the second world war that they created in the first place?

To attempt to answer the latter: At the risk of repeating myself (ad infinitum, no doubt) 'reduction in bickering' will never cease until all genuine researchers of 'The Truth', wherever it may be found, come to a common realisation that, as fallible, heavily programmed, human beings, we will never have the breadth of perception necessary to encompass the immensity of the universe.

But we do have sufficient knowledge to face down Ba'Vomitism, if only we act as individuals and accept that our fellow travellers are as fallible as we are.

IMO, all of us here (wavering spooks included) who renounce the gross manifestations of materialism are more than a match for Baphomet.

For we are awake and have now reached avalanche levels (confirmed by Brzezinski recently)- yes, even to the extent that some world leaders now reflect our findings publicly.
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People criticizing Ahmadinejad is very Western-centric. Who walked out of his UN speech? Western delegates. Most other delegates stayed in their seats and applauded him when he ended. The media drew people’s attention to the walk out and not the fact that most delegates listen to him and clapped him when he finished.

This is actually very significant. It would have been far easier for developing nations not to clap and therefore keep on side with the most powerful nations. They chose not to. It suggests that many are comfortable with being associated with a ‘holocaust denier’ and a 9/11 truther. The idea that Ahmadinejad should have kept his mouth shut about this because it would annoy people in the West is silly.

The Holocaust debate is again a Western-centric one. The use of David Duke to discredit Ahmadinejad is very disingenuous. In the West, it is outrageous and Nazi, blah, blah, to question the Holocaust. Conventional wisdom, I would guess, is very different in most of the rest of the world. Ahmadinejad is merely articulating the dominant view in the Middle East when he questions the Holocaust. Indeed, most the dominant opinion in the Middle East is that there were no mass gassing of Jews.
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Ahmadinejad’s UN 9-11 Speech

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Ahmadinejad’s UN 9-11 Speech

by Gideon Polya, 25 September 2010

Top scientists and intelligence experts dispute the “official US version” of what happened on 9-11 and variously assert that people within the US Government did 9-11 (possibly with Israeli assistance). President Ahmadinejad’s 9-11speech at the UN merely advances 3 logical, testable, scientific hypotheses about 9-11 but has immediately elicited hysterical, egregiously dishonest, anti-science and anti-truth responses from Western leaders and Mainstream media.

The immediate responses involved a walk-out of US representatives and its lackeys from 30 countries, including Australia, Britain, Sweden and Spain, from the speech itself – they simply didn’t want to hear anything differing from the “official US version” of 9-11.
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http://mwcnews.net/index.php?option=com ... Itemid=126

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You are all arguing about this man, right?

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President Ahmeninajad does not seem to have freaked out 'Veterans Today' Newsletter:

http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com ... 0lHw%3D%3D

As you can see, there are other interesting articles in it as well:

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Thanks outsider. I'm curious about veterans today not having really come across them before but rather than derail the thread, I started another thread here

http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewto ... 647#150647
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letthemeatmadeiracake wrote:You are all arguing about this man, right?

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Photoshop?

In other news if one believes the Keiser report
Iran has opened the door to Western Banks? WW3 is Over before it starts?
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ian neal wrote:Thanks outsider. I'm curious about veterans today not having really come across them before but rather than derail the thread, I started another thread here

http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewto ... 647#150647

it's funny to hear you talking about "derailing the thread", considering how much you've been indulging in damage-control exercise in the wake of ahmadinejad's speech at the un general assembly.

the more you write, the more you expose yourself as a gatekeeper.

your position as "co-ordinator of reinvestigate 911" speaks volumes about the state of affairs of 9/11 truth activism in the uk.

on a more optimistic note, here's a comment I came across at the 911blogger website:


http://911blogger.com/news/2010-09-23/a ... ent-238057


Well now, this is finally getting quite interesting...
For quite some time now I have been posting the following:

9/11 Truth for World Peace and Justice

Seems the shoe fits us pretty damned well I'd say...sooo...

Fasten the seat belts, check the air bags, load in some water and NoDoze, grab a few dried fruits, make sure you have cash for gas...because its gonna be a real interesting ride from here on out.

Sorry that most of you were not able to be at Ground Zero AND at the 9/11 Mosque and participating in all THREE public activisms on 9/11 as I was...but its all coming together in a fascinating way...and you know what?

love, peace and understanding will come to rule...

...and...

The ONLY REAL VIABLE AND FUNCTIONAL MOVEMENT IN THIS CENTURY [AND EVEN SOME PARTS OF LAST CENTURY]...is...

The 9/11 Truth for World Peace and Justice Movement.

And BTW...if any of you normal Truthers had a chance to see the bottom of the barrel DREGGS recently enlisted in the Ron Paul-Libertarian political front store known as We Are Changes do "their thing" in NYC this past 9/11, you would throw them all out on their own as I have. WACs have glommed onto the viable 9/11TM because they have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING on their own in supporting Libertarianism and Ron Paul.

Ron Paul the "Truther" who the WAC desciples still believe is a "Truther"... YET...every time Ron Paul has taken to the airwaves he has HAMMERED us as being nutcases. Cognitive Dissonance I'd say...

No matter with the LINT of the 9/11 Truth Movement [the WACs] because the infusion of "the left" on this past 9/11 anniversary in NYC [including Dick Gregory committing to a two year liquid fast until there is another investigation into the eevents surrounding 9/11], will bring some needed balance and integrity to the 9/11 TM that the WAC/Ron Paul/Libertarian/Alex Jones influences have STRIPPED from us.

Some really good things are on the way...and just keep on talking Mr. Cass Sunstein...just keep on opening your biased mouth!

Finally, I cannot wait to CRANK the FAUX Peace Movements in this country when I will soon point out that they have to make some really difficult choices...

...to believe the Cheney-Bush-Rumsfeld-Tenent THUGS...

...or to give some credence to Ahmaninejad's perspectives regarding 9/11!

OH...is this ever going to be interesting!

love, peace and understanding...

...the foundations of...

9/11 Truth for World Peace and Justice

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outsider wrote:President Ahmeninajad does not seem to have freaked out 'Veterans Today' Newsletter:

http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com ... 0lHw%3D%3D

As you can see, there are other interesting articles in it as well:

Today's Featured Stories...

SHIRAZ DOSSA: ISLAMOPHOBIA, CENSORSHIP AND THE HOLOCAUST
Out of Control Generals want more WAR!
GORDON DUFF: AN OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT OBAMA ABOUT AMERICAN SECURITY
Beware of Senator Richard Burr Who Speaks with Forked Tongue on Agent Orange
STOP FBI RAIDS AND HARASSMENT
Is the Military Undermining the Constitution?
Top 10 Veterans Stories in Today's News
Veteran Transportation Service Debuts
'Evidence proves 9/11 story is a lie' Buildings Were Taken Down by Controlled Demolition
Now the turbocharged rats can use computers...according to Newt, Christine, Sarah and Sharon!!
Review of Justin Vaïsse, NEOCONSERVATISM: The Biography of a Movement
Gulf War Veterans Study Recent Developments re Civilians with CFS/ME and XMRV Research: Why?
AFTER THE JOURNEY- A UN MAN'S OPEN LETTER TO TONY BLAIR
SUSAN GREEN: STOLEN VALOR PHONY DUPES DENVER
GANDHI: "THE JEWS" 1938
GOP Voter Suppression and Obstruction Program Are a National Enterprise
SEPTEMBER 11: Towards a UN Inquiry Commission
Retired Military Personnel To Confirm UFO Incursions at American Nuclear Weapons Sites
GORDON DUFF: AMERICA'S REAL ANTI-GOVERNMENT THREAT
ALAN SABROSKY - THE COMPLICATED FACES OF ANTI-SEMITISM
PAUL BALLES - VOICES FOR PEACE?

I put the wrong link in my original post - now corrected (above).
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letthemeatmadeiracake wrote:You are all arguing about this man, right?

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Yeah right ;-)

But who said he was a 'good guy'? For whatever reason (and do bear in mind that the devil sign is involuntary, irrelevant to a Muslim except to ward off evil yet not necessarily the sole property of the NWO ; ) he just happens to be speaking some fundamental truths right now - in a world awash in lies.

I suppose every one here has read the Protocols by now? And this accompanying thread?
http://911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic. ... 11&start=0 and fully studied the denial of their credibility vis-a-vis what has happened in the world since 1906?

It (along with the 1936 revelations of Lord Londonderry, his subsequent character assassination and dealings with Edward VIII and his character assassination) is quite reminiscent of the mechanisms surrounding denial of 9/11 truth, etc etc, isn't it?
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ian neal wrote:
TonyGosling wrote:Yes there were dodgy people there but it was not a HD conferece as you say. Any person brave enough to put on a conference examining the truth and lies of the Nazi Holocaust.
Politicians in the West know all they have to do is trot out this BS to end any conversation giving credence to Iran.
This hits the nail on then head and explains why I'm so suspicious of Ahmadinejad. Whatever else we think, we can agree that Ahmadinejad is no fool. He's intelligent enough. Intelligent enough to know full well what would be the reaction would be to his invitation of David Duke. If he does the same with this proposed 9/11 conference it will provoke a similar response.
No I don't think it was a HD conference either, not strictly speaking. At the time I was bombarded by e-mails inviting me to denounce it. I didn't once I had read the speech of Rabbi Aharon Cohen to that conference. You can read it here: http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Speeche ... ACohen.cfm. His message was simple: however many or few Jews died in the holocaust, however much the truth about it may have been distorted for political reasons, the holocaust did happen and everyone should wise up to that fact.

Here's a BBC report on the Jews who attended that conference: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6171503.stm

I notice that even the Beeb uses quotation marks: Why are Jews at the 'Holocaust denial' conference?

However it was regrettable that the racist David Duke was invited, but I don't accept the view that if he was there it must have been because Ahmedinajad and those puppeteers who pull his strings arranged it so that the West would denounce the conference.

People keep telling me that these puppeteers are the same people pulling the strings on both sides of any conflict that arises. If everything which happens in the world is devised by just a few powerful people in the shadows, there is then no point in any of us doing anything to try to make the world a better place because our strings are being pulled too. I'm reminded of the attitude of Professor Godbole in A Passage to India: "You can do what you like but whatever you do it won't make any difference".

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;"

These attitudes seem to deny the existence of free will. Of course I can't prove that free will exists. I may be writing this simply because some shape shifting lizard is pulling my strings. But I don't think so, but then perhaps I'm not meant to think so. :D
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However it was regrettable that the racist David Duke was invited
Is he racist (haven’t studied him that much) or just pointing out who the bigger real racists are that he was once caught up in and realised. After all who founded the KKK? It's a little like the Templar Nights and Muslims of old. There are always people ready it seems, to jump to excuse certain people’s racism and in doing so expose their own racism by making exceptions for many of them and which has been prevalent through history by certain people. After all, it is at least a 2600 year old plot this NWO.
Here's a BBC report on the Jews who attended that conference: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6171503.stm
And it's the BBC controllers et al that follow the Talmud, ie making up so called laws to suit them alone, politics etc, etc.

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His message was simple: however many or few Jews died in the holocaust, however much the truth about it may have been distorted for political reasons, the holocaust did happen and everyone should wise up to that fact.
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Ahmadinejad’s UN 9-11 Speech

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http://mwcnews.net/index.php?option=com ... Itemid=126


Ahmadinejad’s UN 9-11 Speech

by Gideon Polya, Media With Conscience, 25 September 2010


Top scientists and intelligence experts dispute the “official US version” of what happened on 9-11 and variously assert that people within the US Government did 9-11 (possibly with Israeli assistance). President Ahmadinejad’s 9-11speech at the UN merely advances 3 logical, testable, scientific hypotheses about 9-11 but has immediately elicited hysterical, egregiously dishonest, anti-science and anti-truth responses from Western leaders and Mainstream media.

The immediate responses involved a walk-out of US representatives and its lackeys from 30 countries, including Australia, Britain, Sweden and Spain, from the speech itself – they simply didn’t want to hear anything differing from the “official US version” of 9-11.

Western media and politicians immediately started falsely and hysterically reporting Ahmadinejad’s comments on 9-11. President Ahmadinejad’s speech merely offered 3 scientific hypotheses about the cause of 9-11, namely (1) the “official US version” of a “terrorist group”, (2) US responsibility and (3) US complicity in allowing a terrorist operation to proceed.

The UK BBC was an exception and its report was factual:

“23 September 2010. The US and other delegations at the 65th UN General Assembly have walked out in protest at the speech by the Iranian president. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said some saw the 11 September attacks on the US as part of a US conspiracy to protect Israel. He was speaking on the first day of the week-long UN diplomatic marathon.”

Similarly the Australian ABC:

“Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has told the United Nations that most people believe the US government was responsible for the attacks of September 11, 2001.”

Indeed the only arguable part of President Ahmadinejad’s speech was “The majority of the American people as well as other nations and politicians agree with this view [that the US did 9-11]” – he would probably have been correct in stating that a “substantial proportion” rather than “the majority” thought that the US was involved in the 9-11 atrocity. Thus prior Mainstream polls have indicated that about one third of Americans believe that 9-11 was an inside job involving the US Government.

Science is about critically testing potentially falsifiable hypotheses and that is all that President Ahmadinejad has advocated in relation to 9-11:

“It is proposed that the United Nations set up an independent fact-finding group for the event of the II September so that in the future expressing views about it is not forbidden.”

In contrast, the US and US lackey representatives who blocked their ears and walked out of the UN General Assembly and those who then lied about President Ahmadinejad’s speech must be condemned for an anti-science stance that is antithetical to finding out what happened on 9-11 and getting justice for the victims and their relatives.

To read what President Ahmadinejad actually said here is the transcript of President Ahmadinejad’s speech to the UN on 23 September 2010
http://mwcnews.net/focus/letters-to-edi ... he-un.html

Having read what President Ahmadinejad actually said, now consider the offensive, anti-science lying by Obama, US lackeys and Western media who – for what ever reasons – are opposed to a scientific approach to 9-11.

Obama's response on Ahmadinejad’s call for scientific investigation of 9-11 (BBC):

“"There were candlelight vigils and I think a natural sense of shared humanity and sympathy was expressed within Iran. It just shows once again the difference between how the Iranian leadership and this regime operates and how I think the vast majority of the Iranian people, who are respectful and thoughtful, think about these issues….It was offensive. It was hateful. And particularly for him to make the statement here in Manhattan, just a little north of Ground Zero, where families lost their loved ones. People of all faiths, all ethnicities who see this as the seminal tragedy of this generation. For him to make a statement like that was inexcusable."

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon also condemned Ahmadinejad’s call for scientific investigation of 9-11 (Ynet)

"I strongly condemn the comments made yesterday by a leader of a delegation that called into question the cause of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on US soil. It is unacceptable for the platform of the General Assembly of the United Nations to be misused in this way.“

EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton has said the following:

"[Ahmadinejad’s suggestion] that the United States was in any way responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attacks or that the majority of people in the US believe this to be the case, is outrageous and unacceptable. It is for this reason that all representatives of the 27 nations of the EU walked out."

The Rupert Murdoch-owned New York Post reported President Ahmadinejad’s speech under the following headline: “A’jad spew-&-shoo. US and world diplos walk out on Iranian’s vile 9/11 rant at UN”.

President Ahmadinejad, like all leaders, can be legitimately criticized for all sorts of things. However on 9-11 he is correct in demanding a proper scientific inquiry into who did 9-11. Those like war criminal Obama who condemn Ahmadinejad’s call for a proper inquiry into 9-11 are in effect calling for an ongoing cover-up and can thus be seen to be witting or unwitting accessories after the fact of the 9-11 atrocity.

Further, the deaths associated with the 9-11 atrocity (3,000) are dwarfed by the 8 million violent deaths and non-violent avoidable deaths in the post-9-11, US-led War on Terror, the breakdown being 2.5 million (Iraq), 4.5 million (Afghanistan) and 0.8 million global opiate drug-related deaths linked to US Alliance restoration of the Taliban-destroyed Afghan opium industry (from 6% of world market share in 2001 to over 90% today).

A sensible way to publicly get to the truth about 9-11 as advocated by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would be war crimes trials before the International Criminal Court (ICC) of US Alliance leaders associated with the ongoing Muslim Holocaust and with charges including, as appropriate, complicity in 9-11 or being accessories after the fact of 9-11. George Bush, Tony Blair, Barack Obama, Gordon Brown, David Cameron, Nicolas Sarkozy, Stephen Harper, Angela Merkel, John Howard, Kevin Rudd, Julia Gillard, their “we were just obeying orders” subordinates and their Mainstream media collaborators should all be arraigned before the International Criminal Court.

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Dear oh dear.

Just as well that I have a thick skin and don’t actually care what most (but not all) of you think of me. It seems questioning the wisdom of jumping on an Ahmadinejad 9/11 truth bandwagon is every bit as much of a thought crime as questioning the holocaust for some.

Apparently it’s grounds for being branded a racist, a fascist and evidence of ‘losing it’ and of being a gatekeeper.

To clarify I have no problem with what Ahmadinejad said at the UN last week. I welcome his call for a reinvestigation of 9/11 (although I’m dubious of going down a UN route)

With regards the holocaust and WWII as anyone who can be arsed to read what I have written previously on this forum will know,

(1) I’m well aware of and largely accept the analysis of organisations like jewsagainstzionism,

(2) However I do have a problem with the ‘holocaust revisionist’ movement in general because it fails to challenge the racists and fascists that undoubtedly lie within its midst. Unless and until the fascists and racists are challenged and a clear line drawn between ‘respectable holocaust revisionism’ and racism, ‘holocaust revisionism’ will always be associated with nazi sympathisers and ‘anti-semites’ and to be frank will deserve to be. This ploy (and I have no doubt that it is a ploy) conveniently protects Israel and Zionism from criticism and scrutiny and explains why I strongly suspect that many of the main players within ‘holocaust revisionism’ are actually the agents for the very Zionists they claim to oppose and finally

(3) I believe any 9/11 truther that bangs on and on about the holocaust is doing the movement a great disservice and in all likelihood again (IMO) is an agent of the forces they claim to oppose.

Which explains my concerns about Ahmadinejad.

If you care about winning popular support for a reinvestigation especially in the west where popular opinion has most chance in influencing the western powers behind the war of terror, you would not play straight into the ‘traps’ that the west’s politicians and media set for you (unless you are a fool or their puppet). You don’t invite a former KKK grand wizard to your holocaust conference and make a point of shaking his hand. It makes no sense unless of course there is another plan.

Now Andrew argues that David Duke’s involvement with the KKK is long in the past and that he may have turned over a new leaf. Well if you can show me articles such as ‘David Duke, how I used to be a racist fool’ or ‘David Duke, how I saw the light and renounced the KKK’ then I will take you seriously.

But some simple questions that hopefully illustrates my concerns about the direction Ahmadinejad MAY take 9/11 truth and which will establish where others stand with regards these concerns.

Fast forward 9 months. Momentum and interest in 9/11 truth is building ahead of the 10th anniversary and Ahmadinejad announces the details of his International Conference on Global Terrorism and the events of 9/11. Amongst the delegates who are speaking are David Shayler, Nick Kollerstrom, Eric Hufshmid, Nico Haupt, Muad Dib, Daryl Bradford Smith, Professor Judy Woods and Daniel Obachike.

Both you and leading family campaigners have just received your personal invitations from President Ahmadinejad to speak as well.

So my questions are
  • Do you accept the invitation and is your acceptance unconditional regardless of who else you are asked to share the platform with?

    Who of the people listed above would you have a problem with sharing a platform with?

    What do you advise the family campaigners to do, should they accept the invitation?

    Given this line up, how do you anticipate this event will be portrayed in the global media?

    Do you think support for a reinvestigation of 9/11 will increase or decrease after such a conference?
Now of course this is speculation. Maybe Ahmadinejad is on the level and he will host a fantastic conference with no ‘dodgy people’ speaking and with the family campaigners given centre stage. His brave stance will be the catalyst for the global truth revolution that we all claim to be working towards. If and when that happens I will happily apologise for misjudging him. In the meantime I would appreciate a bit more civility from those who don't share my suspicions.

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Thermate911 wrote:Well at least it becomes far clearer just how watered down the so-called 911 Truth movement has become.

We will lead every revolution against us
I'm assuming you are referring to me yet surely this possibility is far more likely to apply to someone in Ahmadinejad's position rather than me, who has practically no influence on the path the 9/11 truth movement follows
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(3) I believe any 9/11 truther that bangs on and on about the holocaust is doing the movement a great disservice and in all likelihood again (IMO) is an agent of the forces they claim to oppose.
But you do and now you can fully embrace it the *holocaust can't you? Now (In the back ground) So as it gets the truth out and stops any that use it with a racist overtone, Re:(2)

Because if it's not exposed it's sympathizing with who the Nazi's were and really are. (edit) *when and if the subject comes up, which it does very often.
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Do you accept the invitation and is your acceptance unconditional regardless of who else you are asked to share the platform with?
Yes
Who of the people listed above would you have a problem with sharing a platform with?
All except Muad Dib
What do you advise the family campaigners to do, should they accept the invitation?
Men only, it's not for children or ladies to do this; except for ladies to support the men, depending on the circumstances of what you mean by invite to.
Given this line up, how do you anticipate this event will be portrayed in the global media?
The same as always.
Do you think support for a reinvestigation of 9/11 will increase or decrease after such a conference?
Increase the ones who are genuine
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Not the best style of propaganda, is that a show of how close we are?

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad - Know the man you hate so much!

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The President and I (a *must watch* interview)

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Today I am truly delighted to post a really unique item: a 50min interview of President Ahmadinejad conducted by somebody who actually understands the issues and who wants to discover what this man is really like. So far, ALL the interviews given by President Ahmadinejad to US reporters have inevitable resulted in idiotic questions, outright hostility, petty accusations and outright nonsense. As Roger Waters sang already many years ago, we have to "twenty channels of * on the TV to choose from". Well, now we have 2000 channels, but its still the same useless and offensive garbage.

Soraya Sepahpour-Ulrich offers us an amazing opportunity to gain some insight into the personality of President Ahmadinejad. I am deeply grateful to her for allowing me to publish her interview on my blog.

One detail: I tried embedding the video directly on my blog, but at least on Firefox under Linux this did not work. I therefore simply placed a link to the page where you can either watch or even download the full video.

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The President and I (a *must watch* interview of President Ahmadinejad)

by Soraya Sepahpour-Ulrich, 27 September 2010


I was pleasantly surprised when my request for an interview with Mr. Ahmadinejad, Iran's president was accepted. President Ahmadinejad has never shied away from being heard, but these interviews had been exclusive to prominent mainstream media personalities such as Larry King and Charlie Rose. However, it was the mainstream media's projection of Mr. Ahmadinejad that always remained questionable.

On September 21, 2010, on the occasion of President Ahmadinejad's participation at the UN General Assembly, I was given the opportunity to conduct a candid interview with Mr. Ahmadinejad. I had overlooked the fact that such a meeting would be conducted in the presence of the secret service and body guards. No sooner had this reality hit home than Mr. Ahmadinejad's down to earth and easy attitude made me forget the presence of others in the room as we began the session.

The time had come for me to verify or refute a research I had conducted as a Public Diplomacy graduate student while attending USC Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism. At that time, I had examined the media's role in fashioning the image of Mr. Ahmadinejad. My research posited that though ‘some great men make history, and history makes some men great’, in an age dominated by the media-- internet, television, radio, and newspapers, the portrayal of Ahmadinejad is an artificial construct of the mainstream media. The image portrayed by the media had made him hero to some and a villain to others. Superstar or scapegoat, the Iranian President continues to dominate the news. With help and questions from university students and professors, I was eager to meet the real Ahmadinejad.

Although a full hour had been granted for the interview (more accurately Q&A), regrettably, given the number of questions and the fact that the translation was not simultaneous, many of the questions were left unanswered. To my amazement, President Ahmadinejad granted me a second, follow-up interview (the transcript of which will be forwarded to participating universities).

It is a rewarding experience to bring one's research to a practical conclusion. I firmly believe that Ahmadinejad is misrepresented by the corporate owned media. I leave it up to others to judge for themselves by watching the interview here:


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Trust this hasn't already appeared; a really good 'Ahmi' meeting:

http://warisacrime.org/content/ahmadine ... -activists
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ian neal wrote:Who of the people listed above would you have a problem with sharing a platform with?

Why don't we focus on your legitimacy Ian?

I would certainly have a problem sharing a platform with a gatekeeper like you.



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ian neal wrote:
Thermate911 wrote:Well at least it becomes far clearer just how watered down the so-called 911 Truth movement has become.

We will lead every revolution against us
I'm assuming you are referring to me yet surely this possibility is far more likely to apply to someone in Ahmadinejad's position rather than me, who has practically no influence on the path the 9/11 truth movement follows
No, Ian, I am not singling you out. I just find that quote the most effective way to get people to see what level of deviousness we have always been up against.

However, I felt that your commentary on Ahmedinajad was counter-productive when we are now forced onto the basis of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Alarm bells are now ringing right across cyberspace and the corridors of power - right here too when posters attempt to drag the whole thing down to those poor, poor genocided Jews whose descendants (so we are led to 'believe') are now perpetrating exactly the same tactics on resident Semites in Palestine!

But it's not that 'simple', is it?

No mention of the missing millions, post-Stalin, little mention of all the millions of brave fools who 'pushed back nazism' - no, only the 'great lie' bludgeoning us all daily, promoted by Khazars in control of western media for a century now - they have spun such a web of deceit even genuine historians have now thrown their hands up in despair.

The cognitive dissonance appears to have reached pandemic proportions - call in the WHO & jack straw's shiny new Orwellian mental heaalth act!

These blatant attempts at changing the subject merely show up posters whose agenda may not be firmly based on a desire to expose fundamental truths.
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cem wrote:I would certainly have a problem sharing a platform with a gatekeeper like you.
What truth am I supposed to be gatekeeping? Is your conclusion based purely on my suspicions about Ahmedinejad?
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Ian Neal wrote: What do you advise the family campaigners to do, should they accept the invitation?
"Andrew" wrote: Men only, it's not for children or ladies to do this; except for ladies to support the men, depending on the circumstances of what you mean by invite to.
So, Andrew, you're saying that in order to be a full delegate to this proposed conference a person has to have a penis! Would they be expected to prove this at security check points?

What a strange view! Do you have some evidence that maleness affects the brain in such a way that makes it function better when it comes to understanding how evidence may relate to truth?

Are you aware of widely held opinions that a high level of the male hormone, testosterone, in the bloodstream increases aggressiveness?

Or does your use of the term "ladies" imply that only women of a certain class, perhaps female members of the House of Lords, should should be barred from this conference?
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Thermate911 wrote: ....... here too when posters attempt to drag the whole thing down to those poor, poor genocided Jews .......
It is not me that is banging on about the (WWII) holocaust. That would be Admadinejad.

And all I'm doing is pointing out that this strategy of his is extremely counter-productive both for Iran and 9/11 truth and I find that highly suspicious because I don't take him for a fool

If you polled the 'great biritish public' and asked what are the top three issues that Ahmadinejad is associated with now they will answer (I would suggest)

Iran's nuclear programme
'Holocaust revisionism' and now
911 Truth

And that by connecting 9/11 truth with 'holocaust revisionism', the 'great british public' will be encouraged to associate 9/11 truth with neo-nazis and racists that blame all the world's problems on the Jooooooooooosssss.

Straight out of the divide and rule, problem - reaction - solution, co-intel-pro manual.
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So, Andrew, you're saying that in order to be a full delegate to this proposed conference a person has to have a penis! Would they be expected to prove this at security check points?
If in going to an invite and should/could it put people in jeopardy, I would be a man about it and put children and ladies safety first. So stop thinking about penises you filthy minded person and set a better example.
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My guess is that if this conference happens, because it is hosted by Iran, the powers that be will do everything possible to undermine its legitimacy even to the extent of encouraging the people named by Ian Neal above to attend as platform speakers. That would prepare the way for the media to have a field day of publishing these people's most damaging previous statements in an attempt to discredit all 9/11 sceptics.

Perhaps 9/11 sceptics should consider campaigning to have the conference moved to a more neutral country than Iran: Switzerland, South Africa, Brazil, India, even Pakistan.

On balance I'm glad Ahmedinajad raised the issue at the UN. This is one step further in the history of humanity's discovery of how we were lied to about 9/11 and how we are lied to about many other issues.

Ahmedinajad may be the first to raise it at this level but he won't be the last.
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That would prepare the way for the media to have a field day of publishing these people's most damaging previous statements in an attempt to discredit all 9/11 sceptics.
They do that anyway.

We dont want to be seen as *Nazi sympathizers do we by not telling people who was responsible for the holocausts (plural)

*Or whaterever name people may use for this sympathizing activity
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