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Religion of hatred: Why we should no longer be cowed by the chattering classes ruling Britain who sneer at Christianity

By Andrew N Wilson - 11th April 2009
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A week ago, there were Palm Sunday processions all over the world. Near my house in North London is a parish with two churches. About 70 or 80 of us gathered at one of these buildings to collect our palms.

We were told by the priest: 'Where we are standing in Kentish Town does not look much like a Judaean hillside, and the other church to which we are walking does not look much like Jerusalem. But as we go, holding our palms, let us try to imagine the first Palm Sunday.'

And so we set off, singing All Glory, Laud And Honour! and holding up our palm crosses, to the faint bemusement of passersby, who looked out of their windows at us, tooted their horns as we blocked the traffic or smiled from sunny pavements.

We were walking, as it were, in the footsteps of Jesus as he entered Jerusalem on a donkey while crowds threw palms before him. Except our journey was along the pavements strewn with the usual North London discarded syringes, chewing gum and Kentucky Fried Chicken boxes.

When we had reached our destination, a small choir and two priests sang the whole of St Mark's account of the last week of Jesus's life - that part of the Gospel that is called The Passion.

It is said the chant used for this recitation dates back to the music used in the Jewish Temple in Jesus's day.

We heard of his triumphal, palm-strewn procession into Jerusalem, his clash with the Temple authorities, his agonised prayer in the garden of Gethsemane, his arrest by the Roman guards, his torture, his trial before Pontius Pilate, his Crucifixion and his death.

So there we were, all believers, and a disparate group of people, of various ages, races and classes, re-enacting once more this extraordinary story.

A story of a Jewish prophet falling foul of the authorities in an eastern province of the Roman Empire, and being punished, as were thousands of Jews during the governorship of Pontius Pilate, by the gruesome torture of crucifixion.

This Easter weekend we revisit the extraordinary ending of that story - the discovery by some women friends of Jesus that his tomb was empty. And we read of the reactions of the disciples - fearful, incredulous, but eventually believing that, as millions of Christians will proclaim tomorrow morning: 'The Lord is risen indeed!'

But how many in Britain today actually believe the story? Most recent polls have shown that considerably less than half of us do - yet that won't, of course, stop us tucking into Easter eggs (symbolising new life) and simnel cake (decorated with 11 marzipan balls representing the 11 true disciples, with Judas missing).

For much of my life, I, too, have been one of those who did not believe. It was in my young manhood that I began to wonder how much of the Easter story I accepted, and in my 30s I lost any religious belief whatsoever.

Like many people who lost faith, I felt anger with myself for having been 'conned' by such a story. I began to rail against Christianity, and wrote a book, entitled Jesus, which endeavoured to establish that he had been no more than a messianic prophet who had well and truly failed, and died.

Why did I, along with so many others, become so dismissive of Christianity?

Like most educated people in Britain and Northern Europe (I was born in 1950), I have grown up in a culture that is overwhelmingly secular and anti-religious. The universities, broadcasters and media generally are not merely non-religious, they are positively anti.

To my shame, I believe it was this that made me lose faith and heart in my youth. It felt so uncool to be religious. With the mentality of a child in the playground, I felt at some visceral level that being religious was unsexy, like having spots or wearing specs.

This playground attitude accounts for much of the attitude towards Christianity that you pick up, say, from the alternative comedians, and the casual light blasphemy of jokes on TV or radio.

It also lends weight to the fervour of the anti-God fanatics, such as the writer Christopher Hitchens and the geneticist Richard Dawkins, who think all the evil in the world is actually caused by religion.

The vast majority of media pundits and intelligentsia in Britain are unbelievers, many of them quite fervent in their hatred of religion itself.

The Guardian's fanatical feminist-in-chief, Polly Toynbee, is one of the most dismissive of religion and Christianity in particular. She is president of the British Humanist Association, an associate of the National Secular Society and openly scornful of the millions of Britons who will quietly proclaim their faith in Church tomorrow.

'Of all the elements of Christianity, the most repugnant is the notion of the Christ who took our sins upon himself and sacrificed his body in agony to save our souls. Did we ask him to?' she asked in a puerile article decrying the wickedness of C.S. Lewis's Narnia stories, which have bewitched children for more than 50 years. Or, to take another of her utterances: 'When absolute God-given righteousness beckons, blood flows and women are in chains.'

The sneering Ms Toynbee, like Richard Dawkins, believes in rational explanations for our existence and behaviour. She is deeply committed to the Rationalist Association, but her approach to religion is too fanatical to be described as rational.

Perhaps it goes back to her relationship with her nice old dad, Philip Toynbee, a Thirties public school Marxist who, before he died, made the hesitant journey from unbelief to a questing Christianity.

The Polly Toynbees of this world ignore all the benign aspects of religion and see it purely as a sinister agent of control, especially over women.

One suspects this is how it is viewed in most liberal circles, in university common rooms, at the BBC and, perhaps above all, sadly, by the bishops of the Church of England, who despite their episcopal regalia, nourish few discernible beliefs that could be distinguished from the liberalism of the age.

For ten or 15 of my middle years, I, too, was one of the mockers. But, as time passed, I found myself going back to church, although at first only as a fellow traveller with the believers, not as one who shared the faith that Jesus had truly risen from the grave. Some time over the past five or six years - I could not tell you exactly when - I found that I had changed.

When I took part in the procession last Sunday and heard the Gospel being chanted, I assented to it with complete simplicity.

My own return to faith has surprised no one more than myself. Why did I return to it? Partially, perhaps it is no more than the confidence I have gained with age.

Rather than being cowed by them, I relish the notion that, by asserting a belief in the risen Christ, I am defying all the liberal clever-clogs on the block: cutting-edge novelists such as Martin Amis; foul-mouthed, self-satisfied TV presenters such as Jonathan Ross and Jo Brand; and the smug, tieless architects of so much television output.

But there is more to it than that. My belief has come about in large measure because of the lives and examples of people I have known - not the famous, not saints, but friends and relations who have lived, and faced death, in the light of the Resurrection story, or in the quiet acceptance that they have a future after they die.

The Easter story answers their questions about the spiritual aspects of humanity. It changes people's lives because it helps us understand that we, like Jesus, are born as spiritual beings.

Every inner prompting of conscience, every glimmering sense of beauty, every response we make to music, every experience we have of love - whether of physical love, sexual love, family love or the love of friends - and every experience of bereavement, reminds us of this fact about ourselves.

Ah, say the rationalists. But no one can possibly rise again after death, for that is beyond the realm of scientific possibility.

And it is true to say that no one can ever prove - nor, indeed, disprove - the existence of an after-life or God, or answer the conundrums of honest doubters (how does a loving God allow an earthquake in Italy?)

Easter does not answer such questions by clever-clever logic. Nor is it irrational. On the contrary, it meets our reason and our hearts together, for it addresses the whole person.

In the past, I have questioned its veracity and suggested that it should not be taken literally. But the more I read the Easter story, the better it seems to fit and apply to the human condition. That, too, is why I now believe in it.

Easter confronts us with a historical event set in time. We are faced with a story of an empty tomb, of a small group of men and women who were at one stage hiding for their lives and at the next were brave enough to face the full judicial persecution of the Roman Empire and proclaim their belief in a risen Christ.

Historians of Roman and Jewish law have argued at length about the details of Jesus's trial - and just how historical the Gospel accounts are.

Anyone who believes in the truth must heed the fine points that such scholars unearth. But at this distance of time, there is never going to be historical evidence one way or the other that could dissolve or sustain faith.

Of course, only hard evidence will satisfy the secularists, but over time and after repeated readings of the story, I've been convinced without it.

And in contrast to those ephemeral pundits of today, I have as my companions in belief such Christians as Dostoevsky, T. S. Eliot, Samuel Johnson and all the saints, known and unknown, throughout the ages.

When that great saint Thomas More, Chancellor of England, was on trial for his life for daring to defy Henry VIII, one of his prosecutors asked him if it did not worry him that he was standing out against all the bishops of England.

He replied: 'My lord, for one bishop of your opinion, I have a hundred saints of mine.'

Now, I think of that exchange and of his bravery in proclaiming his faith. Our bishops and theologians, frightened as they have been by the pounding of secularist guns, need that kind of bravery more than ever.

Sadly, they have all but accepted that only stupid people actually believe in Christianity, and that the few intelligent people left in the churches are there only for the music or believe it all in some symbolic or contorted way which, when examined, turns out not to be belief after all.

As a matter of fact, I am sure the opposite is the case and that materialist atheism is not merely an arid creed, but totally irrational.

Materialist atheism says we are just a collection of chemicals. It has no answer whatsoever to the question of how we should be capable of love or heroism or poetry if we are simply animated pieces of meat.

The Resurrection, which proclaims that matter and spirit are mysteriously conjoined, is the ultimate key to who we are. It confronts us with an extraordinarily haunting story.

J. S. Bach believed the story, and set it to music. Most of the greatest writers and thinkers of the past 1,500 years have believed it.

But an even stronger argument is the way that Christian faith transforms individual lives - the lives of the men and women with whom you mingle on a daily basis, the man, woman or child next to you in church tomorrow morning.
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More blatant persecution - drip feeding it - utterly disgusting

Male nurse of 40 years is sacked after urging 'patient' to go to church (in a training session)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ssion.html

GP forced to apologise after pagan patient claims he 'oozed Christianity'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... anity.html

Hospital worker told she'll be sacked if she keeps wearing crucifix because 'it might spread infection'
....'My faith is important to me but I'm not a Bible-basher, I don't push it on colleagues or other people.
'Now I have to choose between my job and my faith and that's an awful situation to be in.'.......
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ction.html
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As for the Doctor losing his job over suggesting a stressed patient given only a short time too live could go to church to help relieve the stress. I would like to point out that most if not all NHS hospitals have a place of worship and quiet reflection set aside in their buildings and also employ Chaplains. So to suggest that its not one method of helping to sort out stress caused by another NHS doctors pronouncement of the ladies short time to live is a load of tosh.

The RC lady and her cross. Wonder if the cross was gold or silver. As you can now buy plasters for cuts that are impregnated with silver as its known for its sterile properties.
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Some Bible resources - to counter some of the millions of pounds of public money which has been hijacked this year promoting the evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2oyHOQda-Y[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2oyHOQda-Y

Resources:

So What's the Difference? -
http://www.amazon.com/So-Whats-Differen ... 830718982/

God Wrote a Book -
http://www.amazon.com/God-Wrote-Book-Ja ... 581346220/

How to Study the Bible -
http://www.harvestbible.org

Systematic Theology -
http://www.amazon.com/Systematic-Theolo ... 310286700/

Grasping God's Word
http://www.amazon.com/Grasping-Gods-Wor ... 310259665/

Jesus and the Rise of Early Christianity -
http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Rise-Early- ... 830826998/


Resources for Biblical Christianity
http://theendisforever.com/2009/01/15/r ... istianity/

http://www.radio4all.net:8080/files/ton ... 090613.mp3
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Man made pseudo religion is the biggest form of mind control ever devised.
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Dictionary Definition.
A religion is an organized approach to human spirituality which usually encompasses a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices.
In all religions the organisers are of man, therefore all religions are man-made. All religions are based on belief, faith if you will. To followers of any particular religion, all religions other than the one they adhere to are regarded as pseudo.

Why attack the beliefs of others on this site? Such attacks are pointless, as are responses made by those that feel a need to defend their own personal beliefs. Organised religions that seek to impose their own beliefs and practices on others cannot expect universal acceptance however.
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Scientology convicted of fraud in France
hypnotic pseudo-science mind control therapy
The church and its library were fined about $600,000
http://blogs.kansascity.com/crime_scene ... rance.html
TonyGosling wrote:Man made pseudo religion is the biggest form of mind control ever devised.
Truthseeker_34 wrote:Religion is the biggest form of mindcontrol ever devised
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History of the Cross: The Pagan Origin, and Idolatroous Adoption and Worship, of the Image (Paperback)
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As many have suspected, there is much more to the true, authentic history of the Christian religion than what we had originally been told. Some claims regarding the Church's history are accurate, some are not. The most extreme claims against the religion come from the atheist camp and often remain unproved. But this book is completely different. It comes from a devout Christian, Henry Dana Ward, a believer in Christ who backs himself up with scholarly research and facts.Why, then, was this book written if it goes against traditional beliefs and acceptance? It is because the traditional beliefs surrounding the cross and its worship are wrong! It took time for us to eventually accept the cross in its current form and to worship it and, according to Ward, this was a pagan symbol that should never have been adopted.Idols were not to be worshipped by the earliest of Christians, and the cross was no exception to this rule. Not worshipping the cross is consistent with early Christianity and is not heretical. Its lack of worship is part of Christianity's foundational beliefs and its exclusion should be part of the religion's current structure, according to Ward.

Revering the cross is based on lies, deception, and ignorance. Ward shows how the lies began, who spread them, and how and why they did it. This book has not been in print since 1871. At the time it was released, books of this sort, which challenged accepted belief, were often banned from libraries and people were known to be arrested for sending them in the mail.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/History-Cross-I ... 1585090565
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Constantine instituted the changed doctrines, he replaced the real spiritual truth of ascension and replaced it with the idea ascension can only be achieved at physical death, this is the Osiris Death Cult.

This has has the effect that for people to stand any chance of reaching heaven they must obey the priesthood while alive to service their ascension after death.

This is absolute garbage, yet to see the ascension story from the five sense reality bubble would be the natural understanding of the tale.

Jesus ascended the moment he took on the mission laid before him, had he not he could not have achieved all he did, of course the ruling occult bloodlines shifted this ascension point to the point of a fantasy death, for which there is no credible evidence. The Punjabi in particular would disagree with the crucifixion story as it is understood by the masses, however upon taking on the destiny he did indeed sacrifice his own genetic satisfying life, also symbolised in the grail stories, he entered each castle, the temptations, but continued on knowing full well they only satisfy the material genetic passions. He turned his water into wine the proper spiritual way, the Luciferians do it by vampirism, be it drinking the blood or indeed by sodomy.

Here is today's expression of the Osiris Cult :

Understanding New Labour, David Cameron, And UKIP :

http://www.lifeinthemixtalk.com/?p=7753

As is the case with all esoteric doctrines today, they have been twisted. The serpent cult has entwined itself around everything to form the scriptural doctrines to serve their rule accepted by man as the sanction of the loving God of the people, they of course worship everything material, everything sensual...everything power, they worship the Genetic frequency and all that goes with it.


Such a twist was formed through the stories authored by the group known as Shakespeare to validate the usurpation of the kingly lines by those purer types from the Viking-Norman conquest, how naughty.....
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Pugwash wrote: To followers of any particular religion, all religions other than the one they adhere to are regarded as pseudo.
With respect, Pugwash, this is not true.

For example I am a Quaker (a member of the Religious Society of Friends). I do not regard this as the only true religion, but as a spiritual path which is meaningful to me, while recognising that other paths suit others.

Today there is much interfaith work going on in which adherents of different religions respect each other's diversity of approach. Generally speaking adherents of Buddhism and Hinduism have little difficulty in accepting that their way is not the only way. I also know Moslems, Christians, Jews and Pagans who take this approach. However there are a lot of Christians and Moslems who do maintain theirs is the only way, so I'm not surprised that with such doctrinaire people making a lot of noise you get the impression that intolerance is a characteristic of all religions.
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Religion is one big lie, nothing more than a way of oppresing freedom of thought, individualism. The elite uses this as mass control. Extreme christianity in the states and anykind of extreme worship is a real danger to everyone.

In the states it is state funded and the revised editions of the bible are nothing more than hate propaganda. Spouting ideals such as death to all
other religions, they also endorse slavery and many other hatreds.
Extreme christianity also is being broadcast to hundreds of channels.
They prey on the weak and try to attach themselves through a common
ideal. Once they reel them in the brainwashing begins.

I believe we are descendents from the anunaki and i firmly believe in the next 3 years we will come closer to the truth of our origins.
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TonyGosling wrote:What does 'extreme worship' mean?
ANd how does it relate to religious extremism?
both are connected ideals. Suprised to see you dont know about this regime of hatred. you should look up people such as pat robertson and rushdoony.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rousas_John_Rushdoony
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson

pat robertson has went on record to say that the recent haiti earthquake was done by god due to their religious ideals. I suggest you read this

http://www.amazon.co.uk/American-Fascis ... 0224078208
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satya wrote:Religion is one big lie, --------
I believe we are descendents from the anunaki and i firmly believe in the next 3 years we will come closer to the truth of our origins.
Enough said. Hung by your own petard.


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The Anunnaki (also transcribed as: Anunna, Anunnaku, Ananaki and other variations) are a group of Sumerian, Akkadian and Babylonian deities. The name is variously written "da-nuna", "da-nuna-ke4-ne", or "da-nun-na", meaning something to the effect of 'those of royal blood'[1] or 'princely offspring'.[2] Their relation to the group of gods known as the Igigi is unclear - at times the names are used synonymously but in the Atra-hasis flood myth they have to work for the Anunnaki, rebelling after 40 days and replaced by the creation of humans
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TonyGosling wrote:History of the Cross: The Pagan Origin, and Idolatroous Adoption and Worship, of the Image (Paperback)
by Henry Dana Ward

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As many have suspected, there is much more to the true, authentic history of the Christian religion than what we had originally been told. Some claims regarding the Church's history are accurate, some are not. The most extreme claims against the religion come from the atheist camp and often remain unproved. But this book is completely different. It comes from a devout Christian, Henry Dana Ward, a believer in Christ who backs himself up with scholarly research and facts.Why, then, was this book written if it goes against traditional beliefs and acceptance? It is because the traditional beliefs surrounding the cross and its worship are wrong! It took time for us to eventually accept the cross in its current form and to worship it and, according to Ward, this was a pagan symbol that should never have been adopted.Idols were not to be worshipped by the earliest of Christians, and the cross was no exception to this rule. Not worshipping the cross is consistent with early Christianity and is not heretical. Its lack of worship is part of Christianity's foundational beliefs and its exclusion should be part of the religion's current structure, according to Ward.

Revering the cross is based on lies, deception, and ignorance. Ward shows how the lies began, who spread them, and how and why they did it. This book has not been in print since 1871. At the time it was released, books of this sort, which challenged accepted belief, were often banned from libraries and people were known to be arrested for sending them in the mail.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/History-Cross-I ... 1585090565
Interesting, had an exchange with a Christian over this recently, her claims of the origin to be evil (solely because it to be pagan) She also advanced the notion it was a symbol of change, but couldn't back it up there either. I said its origins most likely (with change in mind and logic) came from the Cross Roads as a place of change etc. or similar.
My thoughts, should it realy matter the origins?
Yes I agree its been used to control the masses, but surely if not a cross something else would have been used.
Like all symbols the power may lie more in the perception by the masses than the symbol itself. If people start believing something is evil or fearful does it not become thus? Right thats introduce the Fluffy Bunny to symbolism hehe ;-)

Edit* Damn just remembered Monty Python already did this, allways 1 step ahead that lot :0
'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'


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fish5133 wrote:Enough said. Hung by your own petard.
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There is no Devil and there is no Hell. But there is Annanuki and there is there Planet.

The Truths of Nibiru

There are many crop circles pertaining to Nibiru, revealing aspects of Nibiru which humans need to be aware of.
That is the purpose of all crop circles - created by the Elementals, giving information for humanity.
The information below is through the interpreting of some crop circles, karmas of others, dreams, visions and message
receiving from the Elementals, through the Communing Charts system and a Thesaurus.

Nibiru has a 2,040 year orbit through the universe ending and beginning again by swinging around this solar sun.
Every 12th orbit/12th passing, or every 25,000 years Nibiru deviates a little from its usual path, by coming closer to Earth than usual on its exit route
This causes Earth a 'struggle to turn', which in turn causes global devastation and chaos.
There is a lot of evidence on the computer netweb, to support a 25,000 year cycle, of devastation and re-birth.

Nibiru, called a satellite, is an appropriated planet from the Aldebaran system, once called Shiva. That is why Shiva/a false god, is a virtual 'pest' to anyones spiritual journey, The consciousness of Shiva 'jumped ship', and left Nibiru, a long time ago, and came to Earth, and is now a disenfranchised and lost consciousness.
Shiva was hollowed out, the central core is a nuclear device, and became the satellite it is today.

The Annanuki removes or collects uranium from many worlds, and processes it three large uranium processing plants on Nibiru.
Nibiru spews out its waste around the Universe, which has adversely effected many other worlds.
It is through a contact by Nibirians/The Annanuki, will encourage humans to mine uranium, created radio-active technology for themselves and a large amount stored for Nibirus return.
Which Earth is doing at this moment. There is a known underground uranium storage facility in California.
It is also known, that all worlds thus far, that have had nuclear dominating the energy source, have become poisoned.
This means Nibiru must constantly seek new worlds, and new uranium sources.
This also means, many species that are on poisoned worlds, must also seek new worlds for habitation.

There are races and species on Earth who originated from these nuclear poisoned worlds.
* The Original Chinese race was from Embaskit, in the Orion system - a poisoned world
* The Original Indian race was from a poisoned world in the Aldebaran system
* A race from Nubia/Mars, relocated from Mars, were ex-Lynx system (both Mars and Lynx-planet had Anu/Nibiruan interference)
* The Zeta (Zephelium) were poisoned by nuclear waste (hence they lost their original natural form 'sasquatch/wombat' and had to
create a technologicol form to hold soul.

There is no escape from ultimate poisoning, in creating radio active energy.

COLLIDED WORLDS
Nibiru has an even larger, unseen, world attached to it. This is a reptilian world, that initially appropriated Shiva.
Nibiru is primarily inhabited by the Annanuki.
The Annanuki are inhabited/interfaced by Reptilians.
The Annanuki, are an Andromedan race, gleaned for a so-called 'Universal Service' (very much like Army conscription on Earth)
Because of the attached reptilian world, most of the Annanuki are being interfered with (the same interference we have on Earth),
through interface/walkin, or internal reptilians called Wesadraks.

Because of this interference, the Annanuki have no spiritual abilities associated with authentic Ascension.
And the same as humans on Earth - have no idea they are being interfered with, being led and used by the reptilians, to do reptilians bidding.

The Annanuki, guided by the unseen reptilians, move around the Universe, mining/gleaning uranium, interfering in the lives of every planet,
species they have contact with. Generally creating 'royal and religion based hierachy' - as that is the 'plan and programme' whereby
the reptilians control humans. Angels and Seraphim have been created from the Annunaki/Andromedan blonde, blue-eyed form to continue
beliefs and control.

Nibiru and the reptilian world are considered the biggest interference in the Universe today

Nibiru is expected in this galaxy in 2010.
Nibiru has an advance guard of small craft - who will make contact with Earth, to retreive Uranium.
It will start the exit route in March 2012.
Nibirus exit route in 2012, is a 12th passing.

This is considered the 'end times' by the mayan calender
and considered 'the times of cleansing' by the spiritual realms and EarthMother.

These are the times to instigate a communion with the spiritual realms associated with Ascension
and are the same realms ready to inform and assist in every aspect in relation to Nibiru and its eventual devastation.
The Preparation - the Habilitation - the Re-Habilitation.

There is a plan for every single initiate - all tailor made for each persons circumstance.
These will not be times of survival and terror, but times of safety, harmony and creativity.
And having the time and space to anchor ones Communion and Ascension.Universe collecting Uranium









The Nibiruan Connection


The Ascending Initiate who is clearing karma today, to facilitate their own ascensions, are being guided by their Nature Guides
and EarthMother to go back further and further than humanity has ever done before in their 'clearing process'.
Revealing incredible truths of our planets karmic perpetrators, namely the Annanuki and who they REALLY were. The 12 main Annanuki
(greek gods) were puppets of the Melchizedek reptilian, as all humanity has been.

The following has all be revealed by initiates with Andromedan karma, Annanuki karma and reptilian/occult karma. Being pushed to
go back from before Earths seeding, and the karmas therein. In doing this 'Nibiru' is revealed.

Some known facts of the Annanuki-Melchizedek -Nibiru connection
· Merduk, Aphrodite, Athena, Apollo, Dionysus, Demeter, Zeus, all had a reptilian interface on arrival to Earth from Nibiru.
· They bought over 50 Andromedan 'blood stock' with them – horticulturists, entertainers, healers/midwives , weavers, and for their children
were to be the next hosts. As all future ancestors of the Andromedans were. The Melchizedek has been obsessed with the blond-blue-eyed form
for millions of years.
· Many nature species from Andromeda were brought to Earth when they first arrived 180,000 years ago.
· Earth records state that Merduk and Aphrodite (Innana) extended their lives for 18,000 years on Earth. This was not in the one, original form
, but the Melchizedek interface,
discarding aging forms and taking on younger forms. It was the reptilian that lived 'too long' on this planet, going mad. Causing their human
forms to act mad.
· There has always been 'factions' and competitions, between the Melchizedek families themselves, causing the hosts to live out these factions.
· The Melchizedeks reside in Universe 2. This is why they are not seen in the astral.
· They are only 'seen' in occult rituals, by the occult mother orchestrating the rituals. The Melchizedek has the ability to come into our world
sufficiently to take an 'active' part in these rituals. Even then they are not physical, nor are they on the astral plane. (The Melchizedeks have
a Universal Mastery, even though they are a fallen species)
· They all arrived on Earth from Nibiru, at varying times Nibiru is in our solar system.
· Nibiru has a 2,240 year orbit, interfering with many other planets other than Earth.
· There are many species on Nibiru, but the 3D physical humans (the Andromedan stock) appear to have no ordinary lives on Nibiru, but are kept in
stasis whilst travelling. It takes Nibiru 200 years to get from Andromeda to Earth, so Nibiru has some interesting technology.
· Nibiru was once a planet on its own 'ascension cycle' – when the Melchizedeks appropriated it, by colliding with this planet, and staying latched
on. Nibiru is really 2 planets in one. (one in Universe 1 and one in Universe 2) 5 million years ago.
· There are many crop circles depicting Nibiru, its orbit and path, origins, inhabitants, and its harm due mainly to the Melchizedeks.

Over the next couple of years more information will be brought forth – as too, DISinformation and spin. Nibiru enters our Solar System and WILL
interfere, as Earth has now started her Ascension. The Melchizedeks, the biggest corruptive force on this planet DO NOT WANT HUMANITY TO ASCEND.

No doubt the 'messiah' will be trucked out, or two really. To give credence to those in certain religions that are convinced of 'the rapture',
that there will be a first messiah, who will be a false one and the second one is the real deal. They both will be false. The Melchizedeks are
the ones planting these ideas.
They orchestrate everything, they always have done, with the usual touch of spin.

The wars, the religions, the wealth/banks, governments, health, entertainment.
This is why Earth sees 'Ascension' as humanities only solution for Freedom, and true Evolution, and it is.
And the Melchizedeks know it – after all, all the 'angelic' channelings and 'angels' are Melchizedeks. The 'galactic federation' is all reptilian.
Three quarters of the meta-physical works on the net, and works purporting to be 'ascension' are reptilian. Religions, Banks, Corporations
and governing bodies are reptilian.

Learn to muscle-test and pendulum, it really is the only way to authenticate the presence of a rep. And learn to communicate with your own Nature
Guide, who will inform you through the dream of any interference.

Nibiru has been interfering in many other worlds and planets besides Earth. This too, is shown in a couple of crop circles. And we will discover
many Nature Species are from these other worlds, that cannot ascend with Earths nature realms. It will be each ascending initiate that has some
role to play in returning a nature species, and some role to play in regards to Nibiru.












The Electrical Reptilian and the Annanuki

- and what this means to Earth


Before the Annanuki arrived 180,000 years ago, the Earth and her inhabitants were magnetic. The flower of life (resident energy) was magnetic.
The energy construct is soft movement, rotound, circular, ball shape – and the thoughtform and being is UNITY.
The energy construct of electrical, is sharp, pointed – and the thoughtform and being is POLARITY.
(directly opposed to either end, of Unity).

The reptilian that the Anu brought with them had electrical DNA, and because the electrical reptilians puppeted the Annanuki,
the Annanuki were electrical also.
With every interaction the Anu (greek gods) had with the red races, they harmed. Their 'electrical being' in every way, shredded
the etheric body realms of the magnetic races.
Their physical selves and the electrical reptilian they trucked along with them.

We exist in a 15 dimensional egg-shape capsule, and the earth does too, though hers is spherical., because she is. In this capsule,
are the 15 dimensions, all existing in the 'same' space, just in different realities, due to the angle and rate of their molecule spin.
In these higher dimensions are beings and consciousnesses, also having an Earth experience, along with their physical species.
e.g. A rock in the 3rd dimension is a crystal in the 5th dimension is a 'lightbody' consciousness in the 7th dimension – which we call
an 'elemental/Diva'. Many are not from this sun, but are evolving themselves upon Earth – having the Earth experience for their learning.
They, and higher beings, exist amongst us – and would guide any being wanting higher information.
The moment the electrical reptilian started to breed and became a large force, they had the ability to shred all the dimensional realms
within the humans Subtle Body egg capsule .. cutting all 'communication' with ones Soul Self, Higher Self, Second Lightbody.
Over time, as Earth moved into the Atlantis period (120,000 years to 100,000) Earth became so electrical and radio active( radio active
from the Alpha Centauri beings DNA, that also invaded Earth, and wanted dominion).
All the higher dimensions after the 6 & 7 were pulled away from Earths Core, it was here, that even our Beloved Earth was devoid of all
higher guidance as a new (electrical) flower of life, had been slowly and meticulously encasing her
There is no Spiritual Being in the multi-Universes that is not, does not, take direction from those higher than they.
Each time Earth willed the destruction of a species, she fell in consciousness -even though she was trying to protect herself, and the
non-harmful species upon her. Spiritual Law is Spiritual Law.
Harm begets more harm.
So the reptilians were here to stay until Earth could see her errors
Here to stay until the humans could see their karmas (errors) also, their own inner harmfulness, they started to incarnate with.
This inner harmfulness, in turn, made the Nature Realms equally harmful as they had agreed to be a mirror, a lesson, for humanity, and
a proxy soul guide if one allowed (or understood).
Since all soul voice was gone.


We were alone, spiritually, mentally and then emotionally.
(there are karmas attached to this – Depression is one cause of the Original feelings of being abandoned by soul.)

The reptilians ran amuck – causing Earth to again, say 'enough'!
As she did with the dinosaurs, an Alpha Centauri dream, when they became harmful and out of control – Earth willed their extinction.
The same at the end of the Atlantis period.
And was willing our extinction again, until just recently.

This was what happened to Maldek, our asteroid belt – a method of a planet willing the extinction of a harmful species. In his case,
it back-fired, and this could have been the eventual outcome of Earth if it was not for this 'Ascension Cycle' being pressed upon her and us.

Although we are in our Ascension cycle, eventually the higher vibrations of Earth (land ascending) will not be conducive to the reptilians,
and they will have to leave the planet.
However, this higher vibration in all places, is going to take another 10-15 years at least. In the meantime, the reptilians are out of control.
Interfering whenever and wherever they can.
Giving out spin, confusing and giving disinformation to the people who know about them and sincerely want to do something about them.
The reptilians know who these people are – and at every opportunity, give out a 'new bit of information' .. keeping these people attached
to the reptilian agenda INSTEAD of ascending.

Or their electrical being, is so disresonant to form, the human is unable to start ascending, as the worm creates Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
– those that should be ascending are too weary, too ill.
Or the electrical state of their being, pushes back the higher dimensions, and so the potential intiate cannot get the higher guidance they
need to ascend.

There is something called 'The Frequency Fence' .. a frequency boundary if you will. The amount of 'spin' about this is also fanciful,
that it has been removed.
It is very much alive and well.
Electrical, radio-active, micro-waves, some poisons, including the electrical reptilians themselves all create ...ARE, the frequency barrier.
The only thing that stops an electrical influence influencing, is ice.
There is physical ice and etheric ice. The ice at the North and South Poles, are protective barriers for Earths physical /etheric kundalhini openings
. The ice poles, have always been the protective barriers for Earth.
Etheric ice is constantly being moved around the planet, by the Sylphs/Ranthia, to circumvent interfering strategies by the reptilians.
That is why we have this strange phenomena of global warming, but
unusual coldness in some areas.
Most of the harmful weather, we are experiencing at the moment, are manipulations of the dark, using some unknown energy source and device.
We know this, because the Elementals and Sylphs will inform us if we ask.
The chemicals being released into the atmosphere are to dumb-down humans, make us so placid, we cannot be interested or 'engaged' – however
the Elementals also have a strategy regarding this.
Every human reading this, can do many things to help the Elementals (the Sylphs are from Uranus, assisting the Elementals and Earth – they
do not generally commune directly with humans, it is the Earths Elementals that do this).
1. Take responsibility for your own Ascension, and start Ascending.
2. Take responsibility that you are an Earth Steward, and what this entails – as you will have 'Agreements' for many world service tasks.
3. Assist the Elementals, by acquiring tools to have the exact instructions of what to do, given to you. You are only contacted to help when
you have some tools, and can interprete your messages.
4. Do not assume you know what to do, and when to do it.

Tools: Dream – Lucid Dreaming – Vision/clairvoyance - Tarot – Symbology from Nature and your own Kineseology (body symbology) .
Which all require correct interpretation and authentication by Muscle-testing and Penduluming.

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I have decided to revoke my original feelings for composing this thread. I have done further research and now realise that promoting Christianity as a lie. And films such as "ZEITGEIST" (which I fell for) is a tool of the elite. They actually wish to bring down Christianity, to make way for their new age religions. It makes sense to me now. We all know there is corruption in religion. But that is the fault of man, not God. What I do know is... The NWO subscribe to many deities. All the same that are included in many new age religions. They only cite God when it suits them. But what they get up to out of the public eye. Is just plain occult.

We all know what Mr Blair is all about. See this:

http://www.rense.com/general18/tonylizards.htm

We have seen what goes on at the Grove. All this is what "ZEITGEIST" tries to promote. "ZEITGEIST" is NWO propaganda. And I now regret getting sucked in.
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Strewth,it's been 35 years since I last saw or heard of any mention of Larry Norman :shock:

I've just seen last nights 'The Review Show' on BBC2, my usual habitual thing where (especially) any films they generally knock I put on my 'to see' list,and vice-versa :wink:
Last night's theme "Is atheism the new religion?"was yet another attack on religion which managed to include all three monotheistic one's starting with Philip Pullman's latest book entitled:
'The Good Man Jesus And The Scoundrel Christ' ,where Mary gives birth to twin boys Jesus and Christ :lol:
The question was then asked "Is christian belief under attack by this book?" :? :lol: Peter Hitchens to his credit imo,called it propaganda for the young who normally are his readers,and said Pullman had stated once
that he intended to undermine christianity.
Next up the "race/religion" comedy 'The Infidel' written by David Baddiel (I confess I like what I see here) where a man grows up a muslim only to be told he really is jewish, amusing cultural changes inevitably follow:lol:
Of course there is the usual reference to atheism really kicking off after 9/11.Brian Eno was interesting at the end mentioning that Wikileaks 38 minute Iraq massacre video ,while in the background what looked like swastika art!

For those still tuning into the propaganda corporation,and with iPlayer it's here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... 9_04_2010/
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David WJ Sherlock wrote:They actually wish to bring down Christianity, to make way for their new age religions.
You saying the Hippies got into power? :lol:

I personally see no threat from Zeitgeist, only the corruption of the institutions that might try to bring it about.
On paper it sounds wonderful. Who wouldn't fall in love with a utopian dream where all are treated with respect and bounds are limitless?


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Disco_Destroyer wrote:
David WJ Sherlock wrote:They actually wish to bring down Christianity, to make way for their new age religions.
You saying the Hippies got into power? :lol:

I personally see no threat from Zeitgeist, only the corruption of the institutions that might try to bring it about.
On paper it sounds wonderful. Who wouldn't fall in love with a utopian dream where all are treated with respect and bounds are limitless?


What are we here for if we are not fighting for a better way?
The Hippies were just deceived by all this. But saying this is just the Hippies. Is inaccurate. They just needed to look for something away from the mainstream, to set themselves apart. But like many of the alternative cultures and systems. There is a force behind the idea engineering it. CND, Greenpeace, and the Zeitgeist movement. We should all move as one mind when it comes to fighting globalism, but without forsaking national identity. We should have a common goal for a peaceful world. And bring down the elite. And the elite are behind most (if not all) the alternative movements. PRS did not start with 9/11. The feminist movement of the 60’s and 70’s was the brainchild of the Rockefeller’s. Nick Rockefeller to be exact. It is all designed to cause division. And division is a weakness they exploit. One world thinking is good. But not in the concept of a one world order. We all have our own identities as nations. And we should all be able to choose the faith we want to aspire to. But the Zeitgeist doctrine is one which aims to make all faiths one. Which is the goal of the NWO. We already have a world council of churches. Which openly amalgamates all faiths. Even those outside of Christian doctrine. And those in the varying diocese and doctrinal teaching. Some of which are very different. Roman Catholics, Baptists Mormons, and all the other varying faiths with the Christian church. The NWO needs to divide to conquer. And then appear to reunited all into what they would like us to think as a united Utopia. So I would say Zeitgeist is a weapon of the globalist. So I agree and disagree with you. Take care!
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Yes well said David.

Within the messages of many prominent speakers of truth,comes the themes of oneness, and global consciousness.This at first glance would appeal to the vast majority of folks,but the concept has a hidden agenda. "oneness" it seems implies the sacrifice of the self,aka the naughty ego,and individuality,they start wars apparently :wink: so I ask do we want to be unthinking drones?
The related method of conformity through "diveristy training" is happening now,aided by the PC brigade,this affects the way we naturally react to each other as individuals.

Zeitgeist:Expose false flag terrorism, the fraudulent banking system and aid the destruction of mono-theistic religion for a new world thingy,without your free thinking personality,and a few other things.

A cunning plan eh Baldrick!
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Life wrote:Constantine instituted the changed doctrines, he replaced the real spiritual truth of ascension and replaced it with the idea ascension can only be achieved at physical death, this is the Osiris Death Cult.

This has has the effect that for people to stand any chance of reaching heaven they must obey the priesthood while alive to service their ascension after death.

This is absolute garbage, yet to see the ascension story from the five sense reality bubble would be the natural understanding of the tale.

Jesus ascended the moment he took on the mission laid before him, had he not he could not have achieved all he did, of course the ruling occult bloodlines shifted this ascension point to the point of a fantasy death, for which there is no credible evidence. The Punjabi in particular would disagree with the crucifixion story as it is understood by the masses, however upon taking on the destiny he did indeed sacrifice his own genetic satisfying life, also symbolised in the grail stories, he entered each castle, the temptations, but continued on knowing full well they only satisfy the material genetic passions. He turned his water into wine the proper spiritual way, the Luciferians do it by vampirism, be it drinking the blood or indeed by sodomy.

Here is today's expression of the Osiris Cult :

Understanding New Labour, David Cameron, And UKIP :

http://www.lifeinthemixtalk.com/?p=7753

As is the case with all esoteric doctrines today, they have been twisted. The serpent cult has entwined itself around everything to form the scriptural doctrines to serve their rule accepted by man as the sanction of the loving God of the people, they of course worship everything material, everything sensual...everything power, they worship the Genetic frequency and all that goes with it.


Such a twist was formed through the stories authored by the group known as Shakespeare to validate the usurpation of the kingly lines by those purer types from the Viking-Norman conquest, how naughty.....
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Frank Freedom wrote:Within the messages of many prominent speakers of truth,comes the themes of oneness, and global consciousness.
This at first glance would appeal to the vast majority of folks,but the concept has a hidden agenda.
"oneness" it seems implies the sacrifice of the self,aka the naughty ego,and individuality,they start wars apparently :wink: so I ask do we want to be unthinking drones?
Very insightfully you spotted a seeming contradiction of monism.
However, bear in mind that to realize that all is One does not negate the self. It's simply a realization.
I think of it as rays of Light going through a prism.
Plotinus wrote:God is not external to anyone, but is present with all things, though they are ignorant that he is so.
Now, how you translate this realization into a socio-economic system is a different question.
In this field, by far the most human solution seems to me to be the abolition of money and competition. Totally utopian for now, but you never know.
John Maynard Keynes wrote:When the accumulation of wealth is no longer of high social importance, there will be great changes in the code of morals.
We shall be able to rid ourselves of many of the pseudo-moral principles which have hag-ridden us for two hundred years, by which we have exalted some of the most distasteful of human qualities into the position of the highest virtues.
We shall be able to afford to dare to assess the money-motive at its true value.
The love of money as a possession — as distinguished from the love of money as a means to the enjoyments and realities of life — will be recognised for what it is, a somewhat disgusting morbidity, one of those semi-criminal, semi-pathological propensities which one hands over with a shudder to the specialists in mental disease ...
But beware! The time for all this is not yet.
For at least another hundred years we must pretend to ourselves and to everyone that fair is foul and foul is fair; for foul is useful and fair is not. Avarice and usury and precaution must be our gods for a little longer still.
For only they can lead us out of the tunnel of economic necessity into daylight.
"The Future", Essays in Persuasion (1931) Ch. 5, JMK, CW, IX, pp.329 - 331, Economic Possibilities for our Grandchildren (1930); as quoted in "Keynes and the Ethics of Capitalism" by Robert Skidelsy
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Hitherto we have continued to be as energetic as we were before there were machines; in this we have been foolish, but there is no reason to go on being foolish for ever.
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It's late now acrobat, and can barely grasp what you have stated atm, but I do have a overwhelming desire to ask you what you think of collectivism as a concept?
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You have an eye for conundrums, don't you? :)

Tricky question so I'll caveat the answer: in a fiat money system like ours, where governments are owned by financiers, I deplore collectivism and I think it's dangerous.
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"COLLECTIVISM". Sounds like Borg-ism to me.

An ideal that puts society over the individual. The subjugation of one to a group. whether to a race, class or state does not matter. Collectivism wants an individual tied to collective action and thinking for what is called "the common good". (Common Purpose you could argue). Religion could be in this number. But faith does not have to be. It sounds globalist to me. I would imagine the NWO would aspire to this.
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Frank Freedom wrote:Within the messages of many prominent speakers of truth,comes the themes of oneness, and global consciousness.
This at first glance would appeal to the vast majority of folks,but the concept has a hidden agenda.
"oneness" it seems implies the sacrifice of the self,aka the naughty ego,and individuality,they start wars apparently :wink: so I ask do we want to be unthinking drones?
Very insightfully you spotted a seeming contradiction of monism.
However, bear in mind that to realize that all is One does not negate the self. It's simply a realization.
I think of it as rays of Light going through a prism.
(Bear with me here acro,one step at a time :wink: )

I agree with you here in the ideal sense of the term and ?probably? how Sagan meant it to be realised,however "oneness" as is being pushed by the new age guru's seems to be heading as I described above.
Now, how you translate this realization into a socio-economic system
Plotinus wrote:God is not external to anyone, but is present with all things, though they are ignorant that he is so.
I would agree here also but for the all things does that include rocks and suchlike?
If it does this seems to going down the green agenda route of ?panthaeism?,if that's the correct term (and spelling?)
Now, how you translate this realization into a socio-economic system is a different question.
In this field, by far the most human solution seems to me to be the abolition of money and competition. Totally utopian for now, but you never know.
John Maynard Keynes wrote:When the accumulation of wealth is no longer of high social importance, there will be great changes in the code of morals.
We shall be able to rid ourselves of many of the pseudo-moral principles which have hag-ridden us for two hundred years, by which we have exalted some of the most distasteful of human qualities into the position of the highest virtues.
We shall be able to afford to dare to assess the money-motive at its true value.
The love of money as a possession — as distinguished from the love of money as a means to the enjoyments and realities of life — will be recognised for what it is, a somewhat disgusting morbidity, one of those semi-criminal, semi-pathological propensities which one hands over with a shudder to the specialists in mental disease ...
But beware! The time for all this is not yet.
For at least another hundred years we must pretend to ourselves and to everyone that fair is foul and foul is fair; for foul is useful and fair is not. Avarice and usury and precaution must be our gods for a little longer still.
For only they can lead us out of the tunnel of economic necessity into daylight.
"The Future", Essays in Persuasion (1931) Ch. 5, JMK, CW, IX, pp.329 - 331, Economic Possibilities for our Grandchildren (1930); as quoted in "Keynes and the Ethics of Capitalism" by Robert Skidelsy
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Modern methods of production have given us the possibility of ease and security for all; we have chosen, instead, to have overwork for some and starvation for the others.
Hitherto we have continued to be as energetic as we were before there were machines; in this we have been foolish, but there is no reason to go on being foolish for ever.
Ch. 1: In Praise of Idleness
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This is all very well,and an ideal solution to the madness that's been orchestrated into this capitalist experiment of ours.Only problem is, those that have profitted the very most from this experiment, still get to decide the fate of others.They have created the "post-industrial age",and bragg about it.A politician I heard only the other day was lying through his teeth talking about "re-industrialising" the workforce? That's after succeeding in
the policy of exporting our industry base abroad over the last few decades.They need our consenting votes for the promises of jobs now.
There will be work a plenty eventually though,as we work collectively to "save the planet", on limited sustainable, low carbon footprint, eco-friendly,and of the purest green resouces.Lovely not.
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I'm not sure whether God or Lucifer seems to have destroyed my TV tube tonight,as there are advantages and disadvantages to this either way :?
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